Biden says Bush Admin. criminal violations will be pursued
By Steve Hynd Wednesday Sep 03, 2008 2:00pm
How did I miss this, as reported by the UK's Guardian? Why isn't it a major news story in the U.S.? Ah yes...it's all about Sarah.
Biden's comments, first reported by ABC news, attracted little notice on a day dominated by the drama surrounding his Republican counterpart, Alaska governor Sarah Palin.
But his statements represent the Democrats' strongest vow so far this year to investigate alleged misdeeds committed during the Bush years.
"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, they will be pursued," Biden said during a campaign event in Deerfield Beach, Florida, according to ABC.
"[N]ot out of vengeance, not out of retribution," he added, "out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no attorney general, no president -- no one is above the law."
Obama sounded a similar note in April, vowing that if elected, he would ask his attorney general to initiate a prompt review of Bush-era actions to distinguish between possible "genuine crimes" and "really bad policies".
Back in April, Obama said that he would ask his AG to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted. Biden's statement simply confirms that the Obama campaign hasn't backed off from that intention.
But "genuine crimes." Where do we start? That would be a really good discussion to have right now, in my opinion. Aggressive war, torture, illegal rendition to torture, surveillance without warrants, criminal negligence over Katrina, various counts of perjury before Congress...
Instead we get endless talking heads pretending they don't know what their conservative guests really think - or even say when they think the mikes are off.
Update: In between when I wrote this post on Tuesday night and its posting today, Biden backed off his statement (H/t - JC in comments).
Biden emphasized that "no one's talking about President Bush. ... I've never heard anybody mention President Bush in that context." He noted that "there's been an awful lot of unsavory stuff that's gone on ... but I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."
Biden concluded his comments by explaining that possible misdeeds are
"being looked into now, just so it never happens again in any other administration. ... The Obama-Biden administration is not going to start off saying, 'God, let's go take a look at what this --.' The American people want to know what we're going to do, not what happened."
I understand the arguments on why the Obama campaign should tread softly on this - that it will simply enrage and energize the Republican base. But Palin has already energized that base and in any case this whole triangulation thing strikes me as spineless fence-sitting.
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Amy Goodman was arrested. Add that to the list of crimes this administration has committed.
Yep. Persued right off the table ....
Obama and Biden are obligated to act now. The fact they say if they elected suggest they are pandering for votes.
I will not hold my breathe on this one.
Doesn't he need Pelosi's permission to investigate Bush? She as good as said there would be no investigations until Bush was actually convicted of something.
Why is 9/11 left out as a "genuine crime"? Surely there was, at the very least, criminal negligence behind that?
It was inaccurate, Biden explains it all on Faux and Freeks
http://media2.foxnews.com/thumbnails/i/090408/090408_ff_biden_90x70.jpg
It would be worth it to see some right wing-nut heads explode.
Those that weren't fleeing the country anyway.
Yes...
Send all the torturers, Iraq war criminals, Guantanamo architects, secret prison administrators, illegal wiretappers, and white house staffers (Libby and Rove) to jail for their crimes.
Not surprisingly, Biden's now backed off his comments, saying that "no one's talking" about criminal charges against Bush, and that any investigation will not be to prosecute but to prevent similar crimes from taking place again. I suppose Biden would cause a wingnut firestorm if he stuck with his statement to prosecute Bushco crimes. On the other hand, I find it difficult to believe that the Dems will pursue Bush and his coconspirators, considering how many Dems fit that description. On the other hand, the calls for prosecution of the Bushco criminals are not going to go away.
I've been saying for a long while now:
Even Bush deserves a fair trial.
Your about a day late on this one and well more than a dollar short. You missed the follow up from today that kind of disputes it. Basically, teh google is not your friend. You are as useless as tits on a bull.
Biden Denies Report
According to Biden they have seen no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Bush Admin. Sad sad sad. It's just unfathomable that Biden can say that with a straight face. Nothing will change and it will still be business as usual. New boss same as the old boss.
Here's a quote from the article:
"What is true is the United States Congress is trying to preserve records on questions that relate to whether or not the law has been violated by anyone," Biden said, adding: "But, you know, there's been an awful lot of unsavoury stuff that's gone on. And the mere fact … that it occurred in a previous administration doesn't mean [a subsequent] Justice Department, if, in fact, there's evidence, shouldn't pursue them. "But I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."
The fact they keep saying that irritates me, because it's obvious to all but the most mentally challenged that if you *don't* *even* *look*, you won't find any evidence.
MSM won't report this. Why? They are complicit too. For years the MSM (under the bogus tag of liberal media) has let their corporate masters write their script to parrot to us lemmings. Hence the Iraq War and other abuses.
The law=whatever the White House says. Walk down the street in Minneapolis, get arrested for terrorism. Invade a sovereign nation, perfectly legal...
That's a pretty big IF.
JC @ 11:
Oh yeah, and you are the assclown who defended Joe Klein as being some kind of ethical journalist.
You are such a worthless contributor to C&L. Find a new job.
You know, one that isn't above your third grade reading/comprehension level. How the heel did you graduate from High School!!!
Damnit what fucking more do you assholes in Congress need?
People were tortured. Torture is against the Law. Bush admitted that he authorized it. Therefore, Bush violated the law.
The FISA law said that it was to be the exclusive means by which intelligence could be collected on American targets. In january of 05, Gonzales held a press conference and said that from that point forward the administration would comply with the FISA law. This indicates that before January 05, the administration was NOT in compliance with the FISA law. This is cooperated by the Bush desire to go end around the FISA court. It doesn't matter what his excuse is, he violated the law.
These two things together mean that Bush has committed multiple felony violations of Federal law.
You don't even need to look into the allegations that his administration hired a Iraqi to fake documents tying Saddam and Bin Laden together, but if it's true conspiracy to defraud defrauding the Federal Government is also a felony. So is the actual commission of the fraud.
So any way you look at it - YOU ALREADY HAVE REASON TO PROCEED WITH CRIMINAL CHARGES.
So either get your balls out of Bush's pocket and proceed with them or fucking shut up.
Anthrax?
Biden has some positives but he definitely has his minuses.
Obama’s Zionist Wannabe Veep - video at link
Any mention of prosecution of the Bush administration sure brings out the concern trolls to tell everyone how terrible the Democrats are.
Don't get to excited, Mr Biden has already flip flopped see,
"Biden: 'No one's talking about pursuing Bush criminally"
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Biden_would_prosecute_Bush_officials_if_09...
Obama won't be prosecuting anyone with maybe the exception of a scapegoat or two. Way to many big names Dems are weaved into the the slime pit so don't hold your breath for any real law enforcement or accountability. Thats why "impeachment" was immediatley put "off the table" I'm afraid the rot has reached the point of no return down there. Face it if your country got half as excited about a govt violating your Constitution and govt santioned war crimes as they do about a accidental nipple exposure you might have some hope, but thats not the way it is for either party. Sad but true.
JC @ 17:
Are you having a conversation with yourself, Peaches?
testes
testes...
1
2
3?!
Biden can start with Rove's abuses of power within the Justice Department: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/freed_from_jail_fmr_democratic_gove...
AMY GOODMAN: Have you spoken to President Clinton?
DON SIEGELMAN: I have. It was a private conversation. He called the other day. He was concerned and wanted to know how he could help.
AMY GOODMAN: Al Gore?
DON SIEGELMAN: Al Gore has called.
AMY GOODMAN: And what can they do?
DON SIEGELMAN: Talk to their friends in Congress, ensure that this [Rove's] contempt citation is voted on. I really believe that this is the linchpin, if we’re going to get to the truth. And here’s why: if we let Rove off the hook, if he gets in his getaway car, thumbing his nose at the Constitution, Congress and the American people, laughing all the way to the bank, then all of these other people who were engaged in misdeeds, perhaps crimes, with him are going to breathe a collective sigh of relief, because they’re going to say, “Whew, we’re off the hook too.” If Rove is held in contempt, they know that a judge has ordered—that there is no blanket executive privilege. He will have to come to the Judiciary Committee at some point to answer questions. And they know that their subpoena may be next, and they are not going to—all of them are not going to go to prison for Karl Rove. Somebody is going to come forward and say, “He told me to do it.” We already have the sworn testimony of a Republican lawyer who places Rove at the scene of the crime, who has identified Rove in a conspiracy to abuse his power and misuse of the Department of Justice for political reasons.
what rights or immunity do the people of the administration, president and vice keep when they leave office?
rove cited executive privilege when he was called upon and all he does is talk on tv.
YES! GO GET `EM PLEASE! Bring each and everyone of them in front of the jury, judge court for all their crimes and misdemeanors! The list is so long but DK has about 35 items to start with!
Oh yeah, THAT post makes it on the board
"Where do we start? That would be a really good discussion to have right now"
I don't agree. All an instant discussion would accomplish would be to divert attention away from the much more serious issues facing us...Palin and McCain's poor judgment in choosing her.
This woman is so incompetent, corrupt and unqualified that were McCain to be elected, the USA is put in jeopardy should he croak while in office. Our attention should be directed at making that point to the undecided voters and MSM.
People of all partisan interests and affiliations should be offended, insulted and angry at McCain for choosing Palin. That won't happen if attention is directed to Bush's misdeeds at this time.
Ol. George better get that compound set up in Paraguay post-haste! Oh, don't know what I'm talking about? Just Google "Bush buys property in Paraguay" and see what you think.
BTW, if the story is true...
day late and a dollar short, Joe - I'm not buying that car this time.
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DON SIEGELMAN: . . . I am terribly fearful that—because I know Democrats—we are so magnanimous in victory, we are so excited about the future, we are so sure that we can bring positive change, that we want to forget about the past, let bygones be bygones. When Jimmy Carter was elected, he forgot about Watergate. When Bill Clinton was elected, he forgot about Iran-Contra. And what is the tendency and the history of Democrats when they win is to not dwell on the negatives.
Well, my point is positive change. Yes, you know, the war is important, and we must end it, and we must bring our troops home safely. We must work for healthcare for every American. We must work to save our environment. But we also must work to save our democracy and save our election system and ensure that people have the hope and belief that when they vote, their vote’s going to be counted, and when they run for office they’re not going to be prosecuted by some Rove clone who wants to do this guy in or woman in because they don’t like them. If it can happen to the governor of Alabama, it can happen to you, and it can happen to any member of your family at any time for any reason.
samdog @ 29:
Extradition Treaty With Paraguay
Shan @ 13:
I guess I was right: he does need Pelosi's permission, and she's not giving it.
OK I know I'm not voting for McCain/Palin. Obama/Biden looks shabbier day by day. I live in Texas, so any non-Republican vote doesn't count anyway. I guess I could either stay home on election day or start vetting a new country.
sluzzuls @ 25:
Rove most likely has a lot of shit on a lot of people.
Let's focus on getting them elected before we leap to the next stepping stone. If we don't get them elected we know what's going to happen. If the subject was changed right now to these sorts of investigations the middle of the roaders might jump ship. Those people are more concerned about the economy and the war than imprisoning bush. We don't want to derail the train at this point. Hell no one in the world would love to see the whole bush administration hauled off to prison more than I would, but to turn the campaign in that direction right now just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Along with many others, I believe the record is already stuffed with evidence of criminal acts, at all levels.
If the Democrats want to really blow this election wide open, they will RIGHT NOW begin assuring the voters that, after the election and the Obama administration begins, one of the first orders of business will be to initiate investigations and prosecutions of the "evil-doers" within and without the Bush mis-administration.
Should they be prosecuted here for their violations of American law or should they be sent to the UN to stand trial in an international court?
2 sides. Same coin.
Yawn.
New poll shows 51% of people think the reporters are trying to hurt Palin. Who the Hell are these people? Do they live in Alaska?
Words from politicians are the cheapest spoken. How about some ACTION?
How are the Democrats going to prosecute Bush and company when THEY are complicit in the very same crimes?
I'm not holding my breath like a lot of other people. I'll be glad when Obama/Biden take office but if just one person from BushCo is indicted I'll be surprised. Just don't see it happenin'! Bad for the Country, Gerald Ford, Nixon Pardon, etc. But if there's only one indictment, please make it Karl Rove.
P.D. @ 39:
That would be many of the 62 million morons that voted for W...the SECOND TIME.
What makes you think Obama's AG will find anything when Nancy Pelosi can't see where any laws were broken? Nice talk from Obama, but I expect nothing to come from it.
And in 'other' news, the Amurikan sheeple stay fast asleep.
Charles @ 42:
And since there were ONLY 50.5 million morons that voted for W the first time, the number of morons in this country is growing at an alarming rate.
“out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no attorney general, no president — no one is above the law.”
got my vote.
i'll give a kidney to see certain administration officials behind bars too.
a spleen for chimpy or vader.
Speaking of criminal activities and investigations, check out the latest news regarding Palin's refusal to cooperate with an official investigation:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212774.php
Charles@42, Bingo! The level of stupidness in this country is incredible. People can tell you who the finalists are on American Idol. But they couldn't tell who is their State Representitive. Sad.
lucid fiction @ 44:
That's not news, that's PROGRESS.
Hahahahaha!
P.D. @ 39:
A new poll has shown that 3 out of 2 people are really bad at math...
P.D. @ 48:
Especially sad for those of us who see what's happening and cringe. It's simply repulsive. Our country is lost in a sea of stupidity.
None of this matters because the democrats are not going to win. The events of the last few weeks has left me convinced that our democracy is irretrievable. The very overt strongarming of the press, from the arrests to mccain/vp threats to shut out any journalists that dare to question their campaign, shows the republicans to be in full frontal fascist mode. They are up front in our face, telling us they're through being nice guys. The MSM will grovel more than they ever have, and the masses will be brainwashed into believing, well, anything.
Charles @ 45:
It explain the GOP's opposition to sexual education and contraceptive measures among the white trash...
Your forgetting something Bush Covered his ass.........
He legalized torture!
"In short, the United States government has concluded that the attacks of September 11 have placed the United States in a state of armed conflict, to which the laws of war apply.
It has also determined that members of the al Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban militia are illegal combatants under the laws of war, and so cannot claim the legal protections and benefits that accrue to legal belligerents, such as prisoner of war status under the Third Geneva Convention of 1949."
Summary:
The Geneva Conventions do not apply to terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda."—Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, May 13, 2004
We all know he committed War Crimes but he has gone through loop holes.
He may not get charged......... which is disgusting
Abbybwood @ 47:
Well, naturally. What do you expect, except the constant cover-ups and obfuscation?
Tyler Durden @ 53:
Or it explains the increased role of DIEBOLD.
P.D. @ 39:
No, they're the same "mainstream Americans" that twice put Bush in office; believed Saddam was directly involved with the 9-11-01 terrorist attack; were certain Saddam had WMDs ready to deploy against America; think spying on Americans is OK-- after all, if you've got nothing to hide, what's your problem with it?; think offshore drilling is the quickest and surest way to solve our energy problems; thought they could easily afford a $300,000 house on an income of $30,000 with nothing down, a $28,000 car loan, and $20,000 in credit card debt; and care more about who they vote for on American Idol than on who they vote for for president. They're your neighbors.
Charles @ 49:
LOL...........and they think 'change' is coming........... Hahahahahaha
Diana @ 52:
since they face criminal prosecution under a democratic administration, my guess is that the republicans will do anything and everything to ensure a mcbush victory . . . why would mass murders and pathological frauds hesitate to steal another election?
So everybody's upset because Obama/Biden won't come out and say what we want them to say and if elected may not do everything we, as progressives, want them to do.
Well kids we ARE truly fucked if we think change in this country is going to come from the top down.
Our only chance is that Obama will be receptive to the People’s issues when he takes office. We know what McSame’s about, chances are Obama won’t be worse but is he going to save us? No way boys and girls, we are the only ones who can save us. Buy less, get out of debt, voluntarily lower your “standard of living”, support local networks of merchants and services……if all of us do a little and set a positive example it WILL add up to a lot. Make sure your own house is in order and support those who you have influence with to help them do the same. It is the only way and the only hope for real and meaningful change.
(gracefully stepping off my soap box and going about my business, peace and respect to all of you)
Diana @ 52:
Quite correct. The Republicans will stop at nothing and the Democrats seem to implode or lose on purpose and follow through with none of their promises or investigations; and thus maintain the status quo by NOT taking any action, except for the occasional speech against their fictitious enemies, the Republicans.
JC @ 17:
Talk is cheap, especially during an election season.
Don't hold your breath!
Hey, come on now...
It's not like Bush got a BJ from an intern or anything serious like that.
lucid fiction @ 57:
Oh change is coming. The conclusion of the ushering in of this nefarious totalitarian fascist corporate police state. In fraud we trust!
Ever get a feeling there are a few little old withered grey haired and bald men sunning on huge yachts ultimately calling all the shots about what gets said and not said in the MSM?
YourMom @ 63:
Just another massive example of conservative hypocrisy in this joke of a country.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
Yeah...the bastards!
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
That is almost exactly what I think. The leaders are the Rockefeller's and Rothchild's.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 59:
Excellent dismount from the soap box! You nailed it and I'll give you a ten. ;)
Charles @ 55:
ITS NO LONGER DIEBOLD,
ITS: Premier Election Solutions
AND YES, I AM YELLING. :)
P.D. @ 39:
Do we have a figure on how many of that 51% think it's a good thing?
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing a dictatorship without tears, so to speak. Producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel - by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods; and this seems to be the final revolution."
- Aldous Huxley (The Final Revolution, 1959)
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
Oh LA, oh yeah. They can't be eliminated but they can be sidelined. Only way it happens is by our acting out of our best natures. Time to get our groove on and for a small, but critical core of human beings to ramp it up. Only chance we've got. Most folks are followers, somebody's going to lead them, if it isn't us, well there are always the few little old withered grey haired and bald men.
"The Technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."
- Zbigniew Brzezinski
You're fucking delusional if you think there's gonna be ANY investigation, indictment, or prosecution of the Busheviks...
the weasel words follow: "“If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, they will be pursued,” Biden said during a campaign event..."
Attorney General Snott Mucasey sez there's no criminal grounds to pursue Gonzalez or any of the criminals in DoJ.
That's the low-hanging fruit, the easy pickins...
There is NO desire in Congress among the Dims to be reminded of how often and how deeply they were complicit with the Bushevik thugs, gunsels and pimps.
And, on top of that, should the 'new' admin (if it comes to be) even hint that they'd go after any of the criminal acts of the Pukes these last 8 years, they'd have impeachment papers on the table sooner than you can say Pelosi's a pussy.
No incoming, newly inaugurated presimidunt is gonna try to prosecute his predecessor, if for only the reason that if he did, he'd be inviting the same treatment from his successor.
"The CFR, dedicated to one-world government, financed by a number of the largest tax-exempt foundations, and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education, and mass communication-media, should be familiar to every American concerned with good government, and with preserving and defending the U.S. Constitution and our free-enterprise system. Yet, the nation's right-to-know machinery, the news media, usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the CFR, its members and their activities."
- Congressman John R. Rarick
This is gonna be Clinton all over again. "We need to bring the country together and heal the wounds."
And the Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Yoo, and Goodlings of the world will return some day in another Repub admin to make life miserable for the American people.
Charles @ 55:
Rigging the vote would only work if it's really close. If the exit polls differ from the reported count by too much, there might finally be some serious questions asked. I almost hope they try it.
earl @ 70:
No need to yell but, keep reminding everyone.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
I'm expecting "Licking Boots 101" to be mandatory in kindergarden anytime now.
Charles @ 74:
That's what everybody was so excited about China for: it's the first emergence of this technocratic society, wherein prosperity is NOT accompanied by civil rights and liberties...
Why the hell do you morons keep chasing Bush. Don't you know he's gone in a few months? If you feel so bad for the poor, tortured terrorists, why not bake them some cookies.
Here's an idea. How about we torture the little bastard anarchists that are throwing piss and sh*t at cops outside the RNC?
Or, maybe taking a REAL look at Obama and his NOTHING record. It blows me away how full of your own crap you guys can be. But that's right, the Dems are the kind, compassionate party.
....riiiiight.
pissed off patricia @ 69:
Thank you dear Patricia, I'm off to put the last couple of pieces of glazing on my new solar geodesic greenhouse. When I've got that puppy up and running this winter I'll be able to grow enough produce to feed my family and my neighbors if push comes to shove. Like I said, everybody does a little and it adds up to freedom from fear and tyranny.
Rock on my sisters and brothers, rock on!!
woody, tokin librul @ 75:
There is certainly much delusion in this country. By those who believe the Republican party represents their needs or will protect them. And by those who support the Democrats and believe they will protest us from the Republicans. It's all fixed. It's all an illusion. Meanwhile, the hidden agenda continues...on schedule and unimpeded.
YourMom @ 78:
Exit polls have been wrong in the last two elections. And they WILL keep the polls close.
david @ 82:
Good little police state supporter. Get your jack boots ready and go practice goose stepping you stupid fuck.
Charles @ 72:
Prozac
Paxil
Zoloft
Welbutrin
Zyban
Cymbalta
david @ 82:
Are you playing in your own feces again?
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
yep . . . while small, scantily clad children feed them grapes!
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 83:
Dude!!! Need a roommate?
lucid fiction @ 80:
Yes. They cruise out their with young bikinied women old enough to be their Great Grand Daughters saying over their cell phones, give them Palin today. Shock and Awe the National Consciousness with Wonder Woman Palin.
Oh David, Don't you have some anti-Obama propaganda you have print?
woody, tokin librul @ 81:
Yes. That's what globalization REALLY is. The technocratic enslavement of all commodities. Including and especially the human commodity.
Ron @ 87:
Bwaaahahahahahahaaaa!
innocent bystander @ 88:
Yeah that to. "Let's make this the week of McCain. Bombard the people with Mccain. Blackout all Obama resistance. No protest coverage please. Thank you."
Charles @ 85:
Two things:
1) The polling organizations are as firmly planted in the belly of the corporate beast as the SoCalled Unbiased Media (aka "SCUM"). They are NOT independent by any stretch of imagination. They're an adjunct part of the info-tainment industry.
2) The raison d'etre for the SCUM in a campaign, to begin with, is to keep up the illusion of a "close race," because it is in the CorpoRat interest that the people cling to their (virtually unsustainable, in any other way) beliefs in the 'system" that works so well...
One can only hope.
That picture's dreamy. Heheh, Bush is gonna get buttloved.
Joe Biden parses his words very carefully as does Obama. They are both very intelligent trained lawyers and skilled politicians.
They want to be elected, they want to be seen as doing the right thing, both by their constituents here and the world at large.
Obama will make a good show of it but he wants to carry on as President. Some of the powers that Chimp usurped, now legal, in theory, will be appealing to an Obama administration.
Chimpy, who is a mass murderer, among other things will pardon all and any before he slips into the twilight, including himself. There has been question if that can include himself but why not try. What does he have to lose.
We have gone to hell in a hand basket and I don't hold out much hope that we will find our way back.
The Corporations are in control of the media, they are in control of the government. We have no opposition party.
Who are you going to call?
Charles @ 86:
thanks for proving my point dumbass
Danny Thornton @ 96:
Hope in one hand, shit in the other. Which one got stinky?
Charles @ 72:
Xanax
Zoloft
Welbutrin
Cymbalta
Prozac
Paxil
woody, tokin librul @ 100:
David!
david @ 99:
Yes, that you are completely brain dead and cannot do anything, but quote sound bites from the idiots that control your pathetic, tiny cranium.
There are 3 kinds of people.
1. Those who "make" things happen
2. Those who "watch" people make things happen
3. Those who look around and say "what happened"?
What kind of people are we fellow Americans?
P.D. @ 91:
Nope. Us evil right wing evangelist neo-con fascists are too busy plotting the democrats destruction.
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No I don't know if it's true. What does it matter?
Just repeat it everywhere, anytime her name comes up.
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See how easy.
Fling shit. If any seems to stick, they gotta deny. And when you're denyin' in a national campaign, you're fuukin dyin'!
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Ron @ 101:
Both hands!
woody, tokin librul @ 95:
Yes, you're correct. Simply implements used to formulate forced marketing.
innocent bystander @ 58:
You are so right. I've felt this for a while, mostly because it just doesn't make sense that these criminals, who've spent the last 8 years accumulating power, raiding the treasury in the biggest heist in world history, and ensuring through legislation and signing statements that they will never be held accountable, why would these people give all that away to some democrat. Even if they were assured that they wouldn't/couldn't be prosecuted, the financial grab is not complete, so they must remain in office until everything is privatized. Remember, they still don't have all that social security money in their pockets, and god knows what plans they have for the food and water supply....
david @ 82
Bush is a p*ssy.
Here's what Biden is saying now (I hope you're sitting down and have a ahot of tequila ready):
Brian Kilmeade of Fox & Friends raised that issue with Biden on Thursday morning, asking about "a report that if you guys are elected ... you're actually going to pursue criminal charges against President Bush's administration and different people that served there."
"That's not true," Biden immediately replied. "I don't know where that report's coming from. What is true is the United States Congress is trying to preserve records on questions that relate to whether or not the law has been violated by anyone. Anybody should be doing that."
Biden emphasized that "no one's talking about President Bush. ... I've never heard anybody mention President Bush in that context." He noted that "there's been an awful lot of unsavory stuff that's gone on ... but I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."
Biden concluded his comments by explaining that possible misdeeds are
"being looked into now, just so it never happens again in any other administration. ... The Obama-Biden administration is not going to start off saying, 'God, let's go take a look at what this --.' The American people want to know what we're going to do, not what happened."
Biden was also lavish in his praise for Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night, saying, "The governor was impressive. She was strong, she was tough, and she delivered that speech extremely well. ... I think it's going to be a tough debate. I think she's going to be an incredibly skillful debater. I was impressed."
"I'm not going to attack her," Biden emphasized. "You look at that family that she brought out last night. It was a beautiful family. ... Every family has difficulty as they're raising their children. ... I think she has a fine family."
Diana @ 108:
that too has been in the back of my mind...
and how would the rest of the world react? would they sit by and watch this country fall apart? Or will they do something?
david @ 104:
Too late. The Democrats have already done it to themselves.
Has McCain released all of his Medical Records? He displays signs of dementia. forgetfulness, unable to collect his thoughts, slow to respond to questions. His age is a huge problem being the President and under extreme pressure 24 hrs. a day 365 days a year. If he is healthy, he should have nothing to hide.
theWalrus @ 111:
And???
What the hell else did you EXPECT him to say?
I mean really...he's a very very shrewd politician...he ain't gonna fuck up and say something stupid.
He can't say what we are saying about her speech and family for crying out loud.
He's gotta play it cool. And he's doing exactly that...as for the investigating of this administration...do you think they're going to tip their hand as to what they're REALLY gonna do after they're in?
Jeez, Why do people like David assume I'm a liberal Democrat? Actually, I'm a permit carrying Independant. It's people like David who are turning Independants off. I guess in a way, he's plotting his own destruction.
theWalrus @ 113:
Bullshit.
This is far from lost.
liberalNmoderation @ 115:
Let me guess.....................
(gets jar of vaseline ready)
Who is throwing piss and shit at the cops?
lucid fiction @ 118:
LOL....vaseline? Come on...get some KY at least, sheeeesh!
Alright folks...have fun.
I'm gonna go to the pub and watch Hurricane Ike get closer.
Peace!
Obama/Biden 08!!!
Nick @ 119:
Anybody NOT showering the Pigs with filth isn't doing their jobs.
Cops are pigs, they don't mind really. It reminds 'em of home, in their piggy little hearts...
Nick @ 119:
I gues it must have been David. He's the only one that knows about it and his hands are filthy as is his mouth.
liberalNmoderation @ 120:
either way, it's gonna feel like a railroad tie and gravel.
Bullshit, Barak Obama and Joe Biden! The American People do want to know what happened, so that justice may be visited upon those who have so grievously harmed this nation and the peoples of the world.
If these criminals are not brought to justice, there will be no moving ahead. If you guys are going to back-pedal and wimp out, you will only be giving these arch-criminals of American history the seal of approval - through precedent. Future crimes won't be deterred, they'll be encouraged. It will be all the harder to bring future criminals to justice, because they will be able to cite precedent in their defense. If you two guys aren't ready to give your all and deploy every resource at your disposal to protecting the rule of law and defending the Constitution, you need to STFU and go home, you've got nothing to offer. Nothing at all.
The time for talking a good line of lofty-sounding shit while doing nothing is over, guys.
no they won't
liberalNmoderation @ 112:
do something to help us? or do something to neutralize the threat posed by us?
i just hope the canucks are cool with a new underground railroad for those constitutionalists seeking to avoid the internment camps
Mexicans are entering the US in groves and are admitedly killing of anglos and blacks, CONGUER AND DIVIDE. Mexicans have a free pass to take our jops as long as they kill 10 Americans a week.
Death Star @ 128:
them dang mexicans . . . making us bomb the crap out of other countries, decimate our military, spy on our own citizens, and torture those we secretly suspect to be guilty of crimes . . . i'll bet they were disguised as reporters in st. paul, too, and plotting to use microphones and video cameras to "conguer [sic] and divide" the rnc
I sure wish I live long enough to see criminal Bush and Cheney in handcuffs.
Death Star @ 128:
that's plain and simple ignorance. by the way, it's "droves" not groves. might do you well to know your language.
rb @ 129:
violating our constitutional rights and undermining the rule of law, lying us into war and perhaps irreparably damaging the american brand around the world, and using and abusing our troops don't piss you off? not much of a patriot, are you?
Carol @ 131:
don't forget the orange jumpsuits!
How about this, folks? Do you think Obama/Biden might consider this criminal? You hire a real estate agent in Austin, Texas in May 2000. On the day of settlement, this real estate agent arrives at your home with his own vacuum cleaner and goes through your house with a fine tooth comb. Three years later in March 2003, you see your real estate agent on Fox News, using another name and giving a play by play commentary on Shock and Awe as it was happening!
Oh forgot to mention. In May 2000 in Austin, Texas, Bush the governor was running for president. And we all know what happened the following November.
This election just like 2000 and 2004 is nothing but a dog and pony show. The conventions are nothing but a 3 ring circus and it truly amazes me how quickly these traitors are at the beck-and-call of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby that is the controller of the strings of all of these marionettes. Biden, a self proclaimed Zionist sitting next to Brian Kilmeade, an outright Zionist and supporter of anything Israel. I'm surprised they didn't serve him lox and bagels. Until Americans open their eyes and realize that these people are glorified used car salesman(sorry if I offend anyone-not) that make you choose between the RED one and the BLUE one, we are always going to be sold a crappy car. With Diebold still in the equation even under another name just means stolen elections and the more they sell you with their bogus polls the idea that the elections are VERY CLOSE, the easier it is for them to steal.
I pray someday these Bushco criminals will pay but not until we can choose a green, brown, white, black, etc., color car will that ever happen !
If there is a f***ing God and this is a just universe please let this happen.
They should follow these guys to the gates of hell along with all the republican christian hypocrites!
I sincerely hope this is true. They ALL need to be held accountable, even if it includes some Democrats *blink*Pelosi*blink*Reid. I know it would boost my spirits to see some trials begin.
Please, please, please, send Duhbya and his criminal cohorts to Gitmo!
OK, so they won't go to jail. But they will be hated beyond the grave.
the french legionares have a word for this , it is called [BULLSHIT] wisfull thinking,
From what I've read on other blogs, Biden is already back peddling on these comments.
If the law does not apply equally to all then there is no law, only power. And that my friends is fascism. Welcome to the U$A.
.....131 innocent bystander said: do something to help us? or do something to neutralize the threat posed by us?.....
Call the Lone Ranger!
1bassman9 @ 141:
my friend your exactly right, thier selling us two used buicks powered by the same system isreal and were loveing it! eating it up! wont even notice weve been screwed until a rod throws thru the engine block!
JC @ 17:
Somebody who mentions a "third grade reading/comprehension level" really should learn:
1) the difference between you're and your;
2) how to spell hell;
3) that three exclamation marks are not a substitute for a question mark.
I typically don't comment on spelling/punctuation/grammar mistakes, but you invited it with open legs, chump.
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