DNC's Chief Researcher: We Sent "Zero" Oppo-Guys To Alaska
By John Amato Wednesday Sep 10, 2008 12:00pmMcCain's camp makes an ad from the lying mind of John Fund.
It's no surprise, then, that Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin's hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.
The usual round of zombie brains like Hannity picked it up.
The DNC has refuted this allegation by Fund.
Michael Gehrke, research director of the Democratic National Committee, scoffed at all of this: "Sadly, I don't have 30 lawyers, researchers, investigators or even wolves at my disposal. We have sent a grand total of zero people to Alaska to research Governor Palin. We've got all these McCain houses to keep track of. "
The ironic thing - which you all reported - is that the only people who sent lawyers to Alaska to research Palin was the McCain camp, who belatedly thought it was a good idea to vet her after they picked her to be one heartbeat away from the leader of the free world."
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Isn't that the long-haired guy from American Gladiators in the video?
"...the only people who sent lawyers to Alaska to research Palin was the McCain camp, who belatedly thought it was a good idea to vet her after they picked her"
What? Are you kidding?
The lawyers were sent to bribe and threaten anyone who might have information that contradicts the Palin storyline.
so fund lies....mccain lies about what fund says.....and hannity and el druggo get to repeat the lies for a week
someone needs to tell the senator that no one needed to drop anyone into alaska to get information on palin....all they did was use the google...and amazing bit of technology
and most of the false information is coming from the rove boys
I wonder why they chose 30. Is that how many McCain sent?
Lets see if the media continues to call this stuff out. I'm actually surprised by how much has been reported by the MSM of late.
Maybe they'll someday make up for the lousy job they performed the last decade.
Obama needs to start hammering McCain-Palin for being frightened. They're the party of fear and now they're too scared to talk about their policies because they know the American people won't vote for their policies. So they throw mud in everyone's eyes.
If he frames them as "scared" it undercuts everything positive about "maverick" and "war hero"--and it's true. McCain's so scared of losing that he hired the Rove staff who slimed him in 2000. McCain's so scared of people finding out how unprepared Palin is that he's got her locked away from the media. McCain's so scared that people won't vote for his policies that his team throws any slime available to distract the media.
He's scared. We should be saying it every day.
Late update (1pm Thursday 11th): Fund tells TPMmuckraker that he stands by his story -- though he could not be specific about which Democrats he was referring to -- and will have additional information later today.
racism is what will make Obama lose. America's hatred for blacks.
It is that simple. Racism. Palin could be a Russian speaking ninja Easter bunny from mars and it would not change the fact that
to 70% of Americans Obama is a n______.
I think Barack Obama should keep running his campaign on the assumption that John McCain and the Republicans won't produce a god-awful lie and publicize it on ads and via the Maverick-kissing media every day.
It seems to be working well for us.
Maybe they could also get all Democrats like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Russ Feingold to go in front of crowds and on TV a lot talking about what a stupendously awesomely incredibly honorable and faithful and brave and courageous man John McCain is.
Sounds like a good plan, no?
We should know by now that the Republicans will accuse the Democrats of something that they, the Republicans, are doing.
Kerry's Navy service vs. Bush's absence thereof.
Sexism (not) towards Palin vs. sexism (real) towards Clinton
Obama's change vs. McCain non-change
The list goes on. They attack the Dems of something, the Dems are left having to deny those accusations. Once the Dems get around to pointing out that the Repucs are doing it, the Repucs have gone on to the next issue.
It's soooo transparent, yet the Democrats are not taking the lead. Sad.
Obama please..
Ignore this ad and others like it...
Focus on the issues...
Have the surrogates go after them...
Didn't Maddow mention "Team Alaskan Mythbusters" on her show last night, regarding Obama's camp sending people up there to debunk the Palin mythology?
I know that's not the same as the DNC sending lawyers, but it's something...
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 9:
Second that!
Lie, spin, project, vomit all over the Constitution and any other document pertinent to our shaky democracy. Repeat.
Thanks, republicans. You literally make me sick; I have to take a couple of days off per week away from the news just because I have to avoid hearing or seeing any of you or your drivel in order to keep my sanity intact.
More debunking:
Excellent work:
MSNBC (NY Times): Ad on sex education distorts Obama policy
Click on the video to start it:
Obama On Letterman: "Lipstick On A Pig"
Just heard Palin's new name. The Cocky Wacko.
they should send a professional group to alaska i would expect it. unless it's huge it probably won't matter. i believe obama and biden are waiting to challenge her during the debates regarding the PORK symbol
'bridge to nowhere'.
i wish the candidates could YouTube during debates. i think it would help the public decide.
Cocky Wacko must be a Born-Again trait. Tom DeLay anyone?
Well.. I certainly don't mind McCain wasting his money on these kinds of ads.
For better or worse.. (and true or false) people just don't care.
Dat's da Dims: Day late, dollar short...
With a month-and-one-half until voters are asked to elect a President and Vice President, the PUBLIC has a RIGHT TO KNOW who Palin is, what her record is, and how she thinks in a variety of issues.
Moreover, she needs to face tough journalist questions, not softball interviewers.
If she is not up to that, then DNC has a right to investigate Wasilla and her record there.
And she should step down if she's not up to running like a REAL V.P. Candidate.
Actually,
every campaign does opposition research...so I would not be surprised that DNC sent an "army" to investigate palin, or that mcsame's people sent an army to investigate obama. This is all normal campaign politics called opposition research..everybody does it. So, there is NOTHING wrong with it. So Repugs better shut up about it cause they do it too.
Oh. Rats. And when I read the text of Fund's ad, I thought "Go, Dems!"
I'm not sure I like the high road. The low road is where you (or, currently, the GOP and its media) find all the mud.
And bs.
WELL, something should be said EVERY DAY...over and over ...because that's the only way it gets into the heads of the STUPID and that includes our MSM...it must be SIMPLE and hard hitting...is Obama's campaign capable of that...I'm not seeing it!!!!!
isn't there a rule against flat-out LYING in campaigns?
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 9:
That's what Dukakis did.
Look to winning candidates for how to act. As much as I despise Bill Clinton he would have dug deep in McCain's ass as
soon as he heard that crap.
Learn and study campaigns and how they are won before giving advice and analysis.
Hannity has no brain...zombie or otherwise.
He has a small minidisc device in his head, and every day Karl Rove changes the disc to the latest talking points.
Think about it...has anyone ever seen the back of Hannity's head? What are they hiding back there? A small door? A disc slot?
factcheck.org isn't happy with McCain/Palin over this ad
FactCheck Checks McCain FactCheck Facts: McCain "Facts" Not Factual
In fact they lied about what factcheck.org said
they lie . again, and again and again
These people just lie and lie and lie, every day....and the MSM just lets them get away with it. Obama is not at fault when the media(who clearly don't give a fuck about relevant issues) senselessly shifts to Grandpa and the lying church lady because they are presently better for ratings.
Dear Leadership@7:
I never would have agreed with you had i not heard or overheard some of the most racist (yet, somehow justifiable to the speaker) comments in the past few weeks. Ever notice how (now i'm going to be racist) older white people think its okay to say racist things in front of other white people, as if we whitey's stick together?
my own father-in-law thinks Cadillac Escalades with 20 inch spinners are rollin' up the lawn the 16hun PennAve, muthafucka in January.
i am sick of racist, unjustified, hateful, fearful, not-the-least-bit factual remarkers i hear from people who consider themselves informed voters.
we should reserve voter registration cards to people who can pass a naturalization test.
It's the old Opposite World New Speak at work again.
One Republican campaign schemers asks, "What nasty thing can we accuse Obama of in our next ad?
Karl Rove answers, "That's easy. We don't need any new ideas. Just look at all the nasty things we've done and accuse him of one of those."
Palin is a side show that distracts everyone. Even folk here at C&L.. Her sudden celebrity gives credence to the absurdity that the polls are close. I do not believe that after the last 8 years it could be anything like a close race for the Republicans even with Palin. WAKE UP AMERICA! Making out it's a close race when it is not, makes it easier to steal the election. This is all manipulation to soften everyone up for a Republican win stolen from Democrats. On election voter ID scams will suppress the Dem vote along with electoral register purging, caging, trashing provisional ballots, and Diebold glitches. A host of other scams will be unleashed on election day for the benefit of the Republicans and to the detriment of democracy and all of America.
It's obvious McCain didn't vet Palin. I have never seen such a flawed VP pick in my life. This woman has so much baggage it's amazing to me. The rape kit travesty, The Trooper scandal, the banning of books. Where does it end?
Speaking of muddying the waters, why doesn't someone just drop a suggestion that McCain has black baby? That'll really make the racists heads spin.
...
Oh, what's that? He DOES have a black baby? Sounds like Democrats need to learn a few lessons from the 2000 South Carolina primaries.
9 Is Coast Clear?— Says: Obama please..
Ignore this ad and others like it…
Focus on the issues…
Have the surrogates go after them…
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He was, then it became about being an alleged "smear" against mousselini.
Leadership @ 7:
i don't know . . . i think that all but the hard core racists have gotten past senator obama's race . . . what a lot of americans cannot get past, though, is the fact that he is well educated, articulate, and sober . . . like john kerry, obama fails the "beer buddy" test, i.e. he isn't a dumbass, hootin' and hollerin' frat boy
the implications of this crude strain of populism in the united states transcend this election . . . we're a country full of yahoos who are unfit to compete in this global, technology age
This just in: John McCain a lying sack of crap who will do anything to win this election.
More to follow.
Why in God's name aren't the media vetting these ads? You can't just run them and claim no responsibility.
The neocon rightwing and the religious fringe evangelicals are like naughty teenagers who shit in a bag, put it on your porch and set it on fire.
They think it's funny.
Then they grow older, take control of government, business and the military -- and they still think it's funny.
Dear innocent bystander...
doesnt Obama still smoke? can we get some endorsements from Skoal or Winston? USA Golds?
Former GOP senator calls Palin a 'cocky wacko'
"or even wolves at my disposal"
That's funny. Democrat Attack Wolves have a nice ring to it.
The republicans aren't worried about Palin or even McCain come to that, simply because they won't be making any of the decisions in the Whitehouse :(
These MF's are going to try to win the White House by any means possible. We need a law that says that if you air an ad that's a lie, you will pay an enormous fine. Something large enough to discourage candidates, 527's etc. from this crap.
hmmmmm.... @ 27:
I am not giving up, I think we have a chance. The key is the Bush=McCain tactic. As much as people are racist, they may be
tired of getting ripped off more than they hate the n_____. It is slim, but we have to count on the middle aged white guy or
gal walking into the voting booth and thinking to themselves, "can I really vote for failed policies, can I really vote for the
status quo?"
This is our only hope. Obama is less than ideal policy wise but he might help our country. Might. To quote the musical
"Paint your Wagon". The young and beautiful morman wife is about to be auctioned off in an all male mining camp by her old
and fat husband. One of the miners askes her "aren't you scared of what you'll get?" She replies, "well I know what I've had!"
McCain does not have a black baby.
He has a Bangladeshi Muslim terrorist suicide bomber daughter.
There's a difference, ya know.... yup, yup, youbetcha.
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Lies Lies Lies and more lies.
McCain Camp Chief, Pigfaced Tub of Shit Schmidt, Used Sex Ed Smear Before
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You gotta love Matt Damon's comment on Sarah Palin: "It's like a bad Disney film:She's a hockey Mom and a mayor of a small town in Alaska, and now she's president of the United States!"
41 sciguy...
my father's plan is to deduct 10 electoral votes for every lying ad that features the phase "...and i approve this message."
"Ron Says: Why in God’s name aren’t the media vetting these ads? You can’t just run them and claim no responsibility."
Welcome to the deregulation of the media.
Ronald Reagan...the gift that keeps on giving to fascism.
here's f*cked up
http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote
So, the Republicans lied? How odd. They've never lied to us before. Just ask them. I just know they wouldn't lie to us about lying to us.
A vision of 30 trial lawyers scouring through Palin's Burger King lunch receipts up in Juneau and Wasilla is already burned into my mind.
It's hard to change back now.
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 9:
Yeah, because it worked so well for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. Right?
Why can't Obama be aggressive AND focus on the issues? He can do, and should do both... really, it is not that fucking hard.
If the DNC has not sent researchers to Alaska, I hope the Obama campaign has. That's just responsible, thorough campaigning, especially when your opponent is unknown and is trying to create false narratives about herself. Either the Republicans or the George H.W. Bush campaign, or both, certainly did it to Bill Clinton in Arkansas in 1992.
Using the wolves.......LOL
I found it kind of funny considering Sarah Palin has shown support for aerial wolf hunting.
Any Obama wolves would have been shot on her flights home.
Note:
The alleged fiscal conservative, also spent $400,000 on a state wide propaganda campaign to convince people that tormenting animals is okay. Technically, along with the pipeline and war in Iraq, it must be God's will—although you think the almighty creator of the universe would be more adept at balancing out the moose, caribou, and wolf populations.
But many hunters found the practice unsportsmanlike, since it violates the "fair chase" ethic, and animal rights activists call it inhumane, since airborne gunmen rarely get a clean (i.e., relatively painless) kill. In response to concerns like these, Congress passed the Federal Airborne Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters to shoot animals from a plane or helicopter.
innocent bystander @ 33:
you need to go to a bar in south St. Louis or any town in Southern Missouri or Illinois and a resounding almost universal
theme repeats itself day ion and day out. They can't vote for a black muslim who hates america cause he won't wear a pin on
his lapel.
So...if McCain loses...what will the whiners excuse be? Wolves ate my candidate?
dennis @ 50:
Silly bugger, you are lying. Everybody knows that Trolls are incapable of abstract thinking!
Liberal AND Proud @ 55:
That is easy: Affirmative Action.
Vince Says: The republicans ............won’t be making any of the decisions in the Whitehouse :
Vince I fear that you are too complacent. The Republican Cabal leave nothing to chance such as voter choice. Yhey will do everything they can to steal the election and might just do it.
The thing is- even if they HAD sent in a bunch of lawyers, investigators, etc. - SO WHAT? She is a major political candidate now and by accepting the nomination, she accepted everything that goes along with it. She SHOULD be checked out and investigated thoroughly by anyone who wants to do so. I think it's hysterical that the 'Pitbull/Baracuda' candidate can't seem to handle the same scrutiny that all the other candidates have already gone through! Sorry, if you can't take the heat of the national/international stage, go back to Alaska and stay there!
Mark Begich is running for U.S. Senate from the great state of Alaska. Check him out.. http://www.begich.com
Travis @ 6:
i believe that fund should be getting the "breaking glass" treatment
this is not the first time that he has printed bald faced lies in his column
every blog should be calling for his immediate dismissal
why the story is absurd and a blatant lie is simple
one didnt have to send investigators to dig up anything
it took 3 bloggers 15 minutes using the google to discover a wealth of information on th governor
"Didn’t Maddow mention “Team Alaskan Mythbusters” on her show last night, regarding Obama’s camp sending people up there to debunk the Palin mythology?"
Actually, as I recall it, she was referring to the McCain/Palin "truth squad." Mudflats (great Alaska blog) has the story here:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/behold-the-mccain-palin-truth-s...
Anyone else notice they didn't mention the word "republican" once in that ad? Pretty clever, and to me it also seems like they know some real dirt is about to be dug up, but anyone could guess that would happen.
Leadership @ 23:
Every person is valued and my opinion stands...
You make a silly assumption that somehow I have not been "studying" the situation...
If you are have so much expertise on the subject how come nobody is knocking on your door asking come aboard the Obama staff to strategery (joke okay) for him...
I am not asking Obama and do a Dukasis just to roll over and get kicked down...
Just let other people do the punches so Obama doesn't look like a jerk...
Leadership @ 54:
And that is why the Electoral College needs to go. We are held hostage by the unbalanced power that the uneducated redneck and some Southern States who think they are still fighting the civil war have over the rest of the union when it comes to elections.
From an economic point of view, it would make perfect sense for the West Coast and most Northern states to secede from the Union, since we have been in a virtual state of taxation with little to no representation for the better part of the last century.
I am of the opinion that Lincoln should have let some states go, I can only imagine what we would have been able to achieve as a society without having to endure the dead weight we have been stuck with!
Media Concepts @ 52:
obama didnt need to
the enquirer sent a team...those guys are good
bloggers have been on the case since minute one...those guys are better and have scooped the msm on almost everything regarding palin
someone needs to ask mccain if its appropriate to charge taxpayers to sleep in ones own home
Will they be rooting through palin's drawers?
So...is the Stepford Palin in Alaska for an upgrade?
Are they installing some type of AI program so that she will be able to answer questions?
dennis @ 50:
Yeah...they'd really focus on such trivial BS dennis..you're right...they absolutely wouldn't DARE to investigate the 1100 emails she refuses to release.
krisken @ 4:
Judas was paid 30 pieces of silver to hand Christ over to the Romans... Hmmm... the allegory in that statement is astounding.
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 66:
he tries to stay on task...and gets kicked in the balls
he may be a christian, but isnt the saying, turn the other cheek...not the other ball?
he needs to kick back
he should travel around the country with a pig in lipstick
39 Shan Says: “or even wolves at my disposal”
That’s funny. Democrat Attack Wolves have a nice ring to it.
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Dracula had those.
With wolves protecting him at night and gypsies by day, I half expected the gypsies in the book to be werewolves.
They weren't.
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 64:
Sorry if I was a little rough on you!
I work on several local and state campaigns and have for MANY years.
Obama looks like a jerk for not attacking. No one respects the kid that lets the playground bully push him
around, they may PITY him, but not respect him.
Obama personally needs to stomp the living fuck out of McCain for being exactly who is, a tool of the corporations.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 68:
did i get that correctly she's been in office 600 days and she received 300+ days of per diem/pay.....in addition to that she is a hero for taxing oil co. profits....when obama mentions that he's a socialist
dennis @ 52:
hey dennis...way to dismiss the fact that this woman learned at the feet of the master on how to be a crook
she plays a good game...but she is as corrupt as stevens
and even her kids know it...that is why both bristol and track got fucked up on meth
they couldnt deal with the reality of their parents hypocracy
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 66:
Just because you have been "studying" the situation, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are correct.
Obama needs to show a backbone as well as a stick to the issues. Neither is mutually exclusive, and frankly it is a win-win since he gets to appeal to those looking for a strong leader AND those looking at the issues.
And putting forth the reality about the filth that the GOP is bringing to the table is neither anything to be ashamed of nor anything becoming of a jerk.
Vince @ 40:
True enough. Both of them are incompetent saps. McCain just wants to BE the president and Palin is following orders. Neither has any business making decisions for this country and likely won't be, not really.
innocent bystander @ 33:
One way or the other, we will get the president we, as a group, deserve. The winner will indicate to me just how fubar'd or salvageable this country truly is.
McMonkey @ 29:
I have been telling anyone who will listen to me that the repugs are doing everything they can to steal this election, aside from filthy, degenerate campaigning; it is all just window dressing and shiny baubles meant to distract us from the real game which is FIXING THIS ELECTION. We can overcome it and if we can't, then we still deserve that angry punk and his moose-killer sidekick for allowing such a fractured election system to exist at all.
Centrocitta @ 15:
Ex-Republican Sen. Lincoln Chaffee reportedly called her that. He's one of the very few sane Repubs.
I love it.
67 Tyler Durden
The electoral college is part of the US Constitution.
It's found in Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, and altered some in Amendment 12.
It would take an amendment passed by 3/4ths of the State Legislatures to remove the Electoral College, or 3/4 of those present in a Constitutional convention.
#75
He does not need to attack....
Righteous indignation and concise verbal counter-attacks that lead to issues that are critical to the American public would be more than sufficient...
Obama is at his very best with his oratory skills...
That is his most effective weapon...
All McCain and Palin have is the teleprompter skills they are both clearly disadvantaged...
80 BigIslandDave Says: Centrocitta @ 15:
Just heard Palin’s new name. The Cocky Wacko
Heh...heh...heh...
He said cocky.
constituent @ 76:
there is a big story that no one in the msm is choosing to report on
this fiscal conservative fought to keep the state dairy open
what is more socialist than that?
and if there was a vid on youtube of obama speaking to the convention of the nation of islam, in the same glowing terms as palin is speaking to the aip....does anyone think he would still be running for pres?
the msm doesnt have to investigate her ties to the aip...just watch that speech
where she repeatedly refers to the constitution of the state of alaska...and not once refers to the us constitution...now why would that be?
It amazes me...the capacity of Americans to really be so oblivious to what the GOP is projecting.
They've got this shrill novice out there in front, lying about her record, totally unprepared for the national stage and totally inexperienced to run at the national level, while the so-called real candidate stands in the background with this almost anesthesized smile on his face as his body decays.
McMonkey @ 31:
ya...we should bury our heads in the sand until election day...thatll do it
uh...guess you dont get it
show that palin was not only not vetted, but has views and goals that are dangerous to america and you destroy mccain
this was his first major decision and he blew it
palins kids are meth heads
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 82:
#78 That's for you too...
53 John J Says:
The Obama campaign are werewolfs!
4 krisken Says: I wonder why they chose 30.
kirsten,
As in the number of pieces of silver that Judas sold out Jesus for. It's a good sellout number. Ask any Republican.
Uncle Joe...be careful there...if you make any dairy references the GOP is gonna be screaming that we're calling the Stepford nominee a cow.
ysbaddaden @ 81:
The constitution is a living document, it can be amended. Not that the average American has the slightest passing knowledge of the document which regulates their citizenship. Oh, well...
Leadership @ 7:
I'm an Obama supporter, but I've had that SAD thought all along. :(
I hope they install a new voicebox while they're doing the Stepford upgrade.
Everytime she speaks...the dog runs into the television.
Leadership @ 54:
i actually grew up in a blue collar family of flaming racists, but they could always get past a guy's skin color once they knew they had something in common with him . . . like fishing, football and vacations in vegas . . . they couldn't get past my ivy league education, though
but the muslim thing is a whole different ballgame . . . i mean, my family knows enough not to use the n-word on the factory floor, but they'd openly trash muslims anywhere, any time . . . hell, their white collar bosses will trash muslims anywhere, any time . . . which is why i think obama made a grievous error by simply rejecting the muslim i.d. . . . his campaign should have attacked the bigotry of the "smear"
and this reminds me: if you are in chicago, please go see tonight's free screening of "heavy metal in baghdad" . . . it's about a rock band in iraq, trying to make music in the midst of military occupation and civil war . . . watching young, iraqi "dudes" head bang and say "fuck" about 50 times goes a long way toward busting arab/muslim male stereotypes
All right, I have one for you:
The Straight Talk Express is now the Lie-A-Day Local.
I think someone should rig up a Bridge to Nowhere lie counter, looking something like a United Way fundraising display.
Oh yes, the story in the NYTimes today about how the famous Alaskan pipeline is still on paper: Palin's Paper Pipeline Enters a New Phase of Nothingness
Under Governor Palin's guidance, the Paper Pipeline's non-existence increased over 100%!!
An Average Joe @ 89:
Well, given that their nominee's family name is "Cain" I guess it is quite fitting...
So let me get this straight ,you're saying the Repugs are lying? I Stunned!
palin has 5 children one of them is a special needs newborn
a Down syndrome child.....she is campigning to be vice president with a presidential candidate that is 72.5 and we are being told by the (R) we can't ask about her shared parenting
reponsiblities. trust me if it was reverse the perect party
of FAMILY Values would be relentless. they don't want women in the 45-70 yoa thinking about that. many would question how is it possible that she could possibly be president and share parenting of 4-5 children. i hope they find something of use up their.
L&P @26:
Sometimes, Rove just flat out forgets to change the minidisk in hannity's head. When this happens, Hannity just repeats, repeats, repeats, repeats, repeats the last minidisk talking point. This goes on for DAYS sometimes, usually coinciding with a Rove vacation or something.
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 87:
Gosh, we heard you the first 20 times you repeated your argument: Obama should just kill them with kindness. We get it...
Why are you so afraid of Obama showing a backbone? The possibility that he may win scares you?
Chuckling Canuck @ 2:
You said it! This behavior does not represent Democratic values, but it sure stinks of republican tactics, doncha think?!
When will the Democrats catch on that what they refer to as "Rove-style" campaigning is simply a phenomenon of projection? Rove's moves are transparent and predictable when viewed as such. Unfortunately Democratic leadership appears to be moribund. Assuming America survives this next election, it will be time to clean house in the senior Democratic ranks.
hmmmmm.... @ 39:
the problem is that obama looks too damned healthy for smokers to relate to . . . no wheezing, no morning croak, not even a single crag
maybe we should be seeing more of the old michelle nagging him leaving dirty socks on the floor?
ser @ 100:
you are allowed to post links...unless this is spam
Tyler Durden @ 101:
YOU don't have a clue to where I'm trying to take you...
Do you really want him to framed by the GOP as "some angry black man"?
Obama needs to show "Righteous Indignation" and an intelligent response...
Do you think that by saying that "The possibility that he may win scares you?" will win me over to your side?
Really...
Great strategy...
Everybody's got an opinion, remember we are all on the same side, we want Obama to win...so be careful how you treat like me who don't agree with you....
Moniker @ 5:
Absolutely what I think too... He is scared and so is the GOP and any sentient republican. Scared they won't be able to fudge their way into power for the third time.
innocent bystander @ 104:
he quit
im amazed that he quit on the campaign trail
i have tried quitting...its fucking hard
he might be using the patch...but that doesnt stop the cravings to get something in your mouth...
he truely is an amazing individual
To paraphrase Charles Laughton in "Witness for the Prosecution", McCain is a "chronic and habitual LIAR!!!!"
I have started looking at this in a totally different way. I expect there are going to be alot more people voting for Obama than we imagine. And heres why:
If you have relatives or live in a racist conservative home or town; why would you even say who you are voting for? Why put yourself through that for the next almost 2 months. You know you are not going to change their minds so why bother?
Alot of voters I will bet will be walking into that booth and voting for not 4 more years of Bush but a new future. And its going to be ALOT!
88 tx Says: 53 John J Says:
Using the wolves…….LOL
I found it kind of funny considering Sarah Palin has shown support for aerial wolf hunting.
Any Obama wolves would have been shot on her flights home.
The Obama campaign are werewolfs!
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This is just too much...
http://snipurl.com/3oye1
Liberal AND Proud @ 85:
I know. What this charade also says to me is how obvious it is that by propping up these two goons, the GOP has shown (yet again) a total lack of respect for either office. That this ALSO escapes the attention of average Americans drives me to distraction.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 108:
A suggestion: Just quit. You are not a robot, you have a will, just quit.
-A message from that annoying guy who always bitches about smokers
jimmieg @ 112:
i just can't get past a nagging fear that, no matter who you and i and the reformed racists vote for, the election will be stolen . . . bush & co simply have too much at stake to allow a democrat to take the white house . . . and i don't just mean no-bid contracts for big oil and the mercenaries, i mean criminal prosecution, the biggest risk being that, if we have a president who gets us out of iraq, the liberated iraqis will go straight to the world court and ask for a war crimes tribunal
jimmieg @ 113:
On my less pessimistic days, I think the same thing.
you won't get a good/logical response that palin is keeping 1100
e-mails from scrutiny..........hiding something.....a little sunlight
sarah
Pete&Pete @ 117:
Pffft...quittins easy!
I done it hunnerds of times!
constituent @ 120:
Yes indeedy do!
She's gonna destroy those emails before they ever see the light of day.
innocent bystander @ 118:
...
Your right. Here's some impartial geeks showing exactly how, too: Evaluating the Security of Electronic Voting Systems
constituent @ 120:
i cannot wait to hear the republicans' "sexism" spin on this one
hmmmmm.... @ 50:
unfuckingbelievable! these ba$tards will stop at nothing to get what they want. People... time to hit the streets, call up your reps, get in touch with the DNC... somebody (and it ain't gonna be the MSM) needs to get on top of that story and expose the mothafuckers for what they're planning. Outrageous!!!
liberalNmoderation @ 122:
your probably correct she gets first dibs to review....it's obvious
the e-mails are a problem
constituent @ 126:
I'm betting they are VERY, VERY damaging to her.
10 Is Coast Clear?— Says:
Obama please..
Ignore this ad and others like it…
Focus on the issues…
Have the surrogates go after them…
Quote This Comment September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 AM - PDT
I agree, stay above it all and let the surrogates go after him, but where are the surrogates !?! the silence is deafening. Obama's response to the lipstick made up scandal was on perfect pitch, but the echoe chamber press and therefore the american voters need the followup by the surrogates. a sharp, truthful and repeated counter will balance the overall obama response and have the desired effect. what many voters are looking for is passion and strength. obama has both but it needs magnification by surrogates. strength through numbers, where are they!?! mccain's attack machine has volume and that is all. no truth, no perceived seriousness by many in the press and every accusation is easily proven to be a lie.
the effect of a well organized counter from surrogates would turn any concept of mccain momentum completely around.
This whole oppo-research rumor smacks of criminal paranoia anyway ,the Repugs sound like Jimmy the gent after the Lufthansa heist.
Only McCain can't whack all of Palin's friends ,so instead they try to pre-empt any potential stories that may surface by blaming the Dems. first.
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING IDITAROD BARBIE?
Liberal AND Proud @ 93:
hahahahahahahahahaa! thanks for the outloud laughs you just gave me! Is the dog okay?
liberalNmoderation @ 127:
I'll see that bet and raise you a we-also-won't-see-them-until-after-November. Maybe. Not.
liberalNmoderation @ 121:
Just to add... I quit years ago... when I decided I didn't want to give one more cent to those fuckers who were happy to be killing me. It's been 18 years now of no smoking and I don't miss it at all.
Bonkers @ 130:
Who knows...but here's something I just saw that just makes me ill...
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=73285
right on! @ 131:
Good for you! I really haven't tried to quit lately...to much nerve wracking stuff goin on right now to even think about quitting...I'd pick a fight and get my ass beat if I quit smokin at this point, lol!
Better to wait until after november...if things are good...then I'll try to put thm down again...if not...I'll start smokin unfiltered.
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 107:
Oh get over yourself, with such thin skin you should not be giving advice about how to win a presidential campaign on what is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns by the GOP ever.
And as I said, repeating your point over and over and over is not a debate, it is just you being unable to deal with people with a different opinion.
The whole "angry black person" is just a canard. The amount of people who may feel threatened by an "angry black man" pales in comparison with the amount of people that may be either a) swayed by the lies of the GOP, or b) turned off by the inability of Obama to fight. After all, if he is unable or unwilling to put these incompetent lying idiots that make the dynamic duo of McCain-Palin since he is afraid of getting "dirty," how is he going to fix the more complex problems that this nation is facing and which require far more hands-on-roll-your-sleeves-and-get-dirty action?
Speeches are nice, but people do not trust a person who is not willing to fight for himself to fight for their interests.
Intelligence does not negate balls. Obama needs to prove that he can deal with the heat, period.
Whoa...and the hits just keeeeep on a'comin!
Observe!
http://snipurl.com/3oyrx
Actually I find it far more damaging that the spineless dems did not send anyone there to do opposition work. What the f**k? Mind you if your election tactics consist of telling everybody that McCain is the cream of human development and that Palin is oh so tough and oh so smart I guess it would be a waste of time. Team Obie is completely out to lunch and their denial skills rival BushCo's. Oh well you guys keep sprinkling Kerry's left over pixie dust, I'm sure it will all work out,,,,before a new century arrives.
innocent bystander @ 118:
Nah, no sitting administration has ever prosecuted a previous one. And whoever wins in November will not change that, period.
Bush and Co. know that, and they will laugh their asses all the way to the bank.
If anything, I am willing to be the GOP is bracing for a loss this November, like good parasites they know when to stop sucking in order to let the host recover. Obama will be left with the mess, and in 2012 you will see the GOPers painting themselves as the saviors. And the American people who is too fucking stupid to remember that it was the GOP who got it in this mess to begin with, they will give another decade of Republican majority.
In fact, there is a reason why the GOP is running an idiot who will soon die and a nitwit with no political future, since they must be prepping someone for 2012. And I am sure the Bush clan is not about to relinquish their hold over the GOP reign. McCain is just running on a "pity" trip that Bush is letting him be the nominee for taking the fall in 2000. The McCain's even with the wifey's money are 2-bit players in comparison with the Bushes, and McCain himself is too much of an idiot to know he is being played as much (or more) as he was during the 2000 primaries.
Canuck observer @ 136:
Obama sent some folks up there from what I hear.
Maddow covered it on her show last night.
It's unfortunate we live in civilization. I have no idea how that lump of filth got to where he is, but in a true natural order he wouldn't have survived childhood.
liberalNmoderation @ 139:
Saw that segment too...
There is an effort but yes it is getting distorted by the media...
innocent bystander @ 35:
Don't be so sure. I think that there is a real fear amongst some white Americans about having a Black man lead them. It's as if the world is coming to an end for them--especially when American culture played up everything to satiate and bolster "whiteness" as a whole.
It should open a lot of eyes that Mr. Obama is getting this much blatant and subtle racism. And the kicker here is that he's half-black.
I would hope, as a person of color, that Americans are much more enlightened these days.
But, there is some behavior regarding subtle racism conducted during the Primaries and the Election cycle highlighting the fact that some crap never changes.
That is why people need to re-read Mr. Obama's speech on race. It's not perfect, but it touches upon some major issues that all Americans have to deal with if they want race-relations to progress and evolve.
[Deleted. Knock it off-Sitemonitor]
The best response to this stupidity is, "Name five! Give me specifics, not generalities. If you know there were 30, you certainly can give me AT LEAST 5 names."
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 145:
Don't be so sure. I think that there is a real fear amongst some white Americans about having a Black man lead them. It's as if the world is coming to an end for them--especially when American culture played up everything to satiate and bolster "whiteness" as a whole.
It should open a lot of eyes that Mr. Obama is getting this much blatant and subtle racism. And the kicker here is that he's half-black.
I would hope, as a person of color, that Americans are much more enlightened these days.
But, there is some behavior regarding subtle racism conducted during the Primaries and the Election cycle highlighting the fact that some crap never changes.
That is why people need to re-read Mr. Obama's speech on race. It's not perfect, but it touches upon some major issues that all Americans have to deal with if they want race-relations to progress and evolve.
oh, i thought that there was a great deal of less-than-subtle racism during the primary . . . and i have always believed that all our p.c. training has been little more than putting lipstick on the pig of bigotry (no, i'm not talking about sarah palin) . . . but i do trust that most americans, even racist americans, are able to look past skin color once they get to know someone
the cultural differences, like being identified as "elite" or "muslim", are harder, if not impossible, to overcome . . . yeah, obama's race remains an issue, but it'd be a lot easier for joe sixpack to relate to him if he got sweaty, cussed and didn't grok the fine points of our economy
I never realized what a HUGE liar John Fund is/was.
But I heard this same line by by another Lipstick totin' Republican hack last night on the Hardballs show run by the lipstick smearing Chris Matthew - purveyor of anonymous messages picked up off of Lipstick smeared walls of Republican restrooms.
Don't you have real researchers Chris and John?
Anymore flaming on this thread and I'd think I was in a Carol Channing draq-queen imitation contest.
#148
Obama's racism is probably one of the hardest things to overcome in this election...
He's also bi-racial...
I've seen he's not black enough thrown at him and forget about the anglo part it's just not recognized...
I'm also bi-racial I know what it's like (half white half asian)...
That Obama has come this far is testament to his strength of character and his intelligence...
I do not wonder that any minority with the average to low average intelligence would be given a chance to be remotely considered considered for the job of President of the United States...
But just look at what the GOP has to offer as far as choices...
One picture worth thousand words....
ysbaddaden @ 150:
I'm a friend...I don't really want to fight with anyone....but I was being told how to think and if I didn't think that way I must be a troll....very sad I got drawn into it....
If you prefaced with, "My friends..." it would turn from a Carol Channing imitation contest to John McCain.
innocent bystander @ 148:
I'd mostly agree. But it isn't just looking past skin color. It has to do with how in individual and public life, this behavior continuously gets encouraged with little or no refutation. That goes beyond looking past skin color and into how this entire society is set up.
People can pretend not to see color all they want. But the attitude is still there--even when there is a dire situation that affects them--such as the future of this country. And the attitude will stay there until they get truly vocal about why it scares them when a person of color (i.e. and most definitely a Black person) is in charge and control. That's the crux of the argument here.
That's why I continually say that this election is going to be decided on conscience and the bravery to set aside one's fears of people of color taking charge.
I don't think it would be easier. I think some white people don't see how much restraint Mr. Obama has practiced in order to defy the stereotypes about him and to reduce their fears about his leadership. They don't even understand a fraction of what Black folks in general have to do on a daily basis in the public eye to not lose it in front of the stupid, racist behavior and comments that are hurled at them on a daily basis.
It doesn't even faze some of the mainstream (white) public that both Palin and McCain have said derogatory and bigoted things about people of color in public. It is even surprising that both candidates have little or no qualification to lead and they are being feted against someone who has graduated top of his class and edited the Harvard Law Journal to boot. This "experience" meme was played up for a reason. And it works because it plays into white fears of not being "superior". In fact, when you think about it, it just as if Goebbels would have done if he were running the election for McCain and Palin.
In short, it is a racial issue first and foremost that trumps anything about culture.
Digging dirt is what ALL campaigns do, of they sent their people looking for it
Digging dirt is what ALL campaigns do, of course they sent their people looking for it
Is Coast Clear?--- @ 146:
All I can say is that it is indeed a testament that he made it this far. I agree with you on that.
Mr. Obama has grace, intelligence, the mind of tactician and a gift for oratory that have not see been in the ranks of politicians since the JFK days. He has a potential of making real change in this country.
But I'd also say for all the elegance and dignity that Mr. Obama possesses, McCain and Palin have shown themselves to be uncouth and ill-mannered people who have the privilege of the press cleaning up after their bad acts and gaffes. If that alone doesn't teach America that there is a sort of privilege attached to whiteness, I don't know what else will make that clear.
It is scary that there are people who are taken in by both McCain and Palin, despite their lack of conscience (against people and animals). If they make it in, we're in for some frightening times. We've already reached the nadir of America as we know it.
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