"The View" part 2: McCain grilled on deceitful ads
By SilentPatriot Thursday Sep 11, 2008 6:00pm
I wonder if McCain was expecting a soft-ball interview today on "The View" because he sure didn't get one. Joy Behar and Barbara Walter grill McCain on how he could possibly approve of ads that are so riddle with distortions and outright falsehoods.
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"There are ads running from your campaign... Now we know that those two ads are untrue, they are lies. And yet, you say at the end of it you 'approve these messages.' Do you really approve these?"
Who would have thought the ladies of "The View" could be so hard-hitting?:
CNN: McCain Gets Grilled on The View.
Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, appearing Friday on ABC's "The View," was aggressively pressed on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's qualifications to be vice president as well as his new campaign ads that several independent fact-check groups have called misleading...read on
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Why isn't the professional news media doing this?
I just heard a McCain/Palin ad on the radio here in Albuquerque promising stem cell research and millions of dollars spent to make everyone healthy.
Excuse me? Palin is a staunch "right to lifer" that opposes stem cell research as does Steve Pearce.
These are blatant lies concealed in feel-good ads with nice, inspiring music and a warm, "trustworthy" narrator.
Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Again, where is the news media? Is it "fair and balanced" when you allow lies to be accepted as fact because you're trying to be "objective."
Facts don't lie. From what I can see, Republicans do.
He looked visibly uncomfortable being calling on his bs.
"Who would have thought the ladies of 'The View' could be so hard-hitting?"
Whoopi. I love how she just sat back and did her best to keep from dying of suppressed laughter.
"was aggressively pressed"
This is why the MSM fails. Asking honest questions and calling something what it is is considered 'aggressive'
Published on Friday, September 12, 2008 by The Guardian/UK
The World's Verdict Will Be Harsh if the US Rejects the Man It Yearns For
An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse
by Jonathan Freedland
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/12-1
This whole article is fantastic; I wish I could post all of it. Here is the ending two paragraphs:
"For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."
Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it."
I honestly have more respect for some of the ladies on "The View". They were bold and fearless.
P.S. Did you notice how Elizabeth did not have anything to contribute?
McShame figured putting a woman (any woman) on the ticket would win him the adoration of every woman in the country. He just doesn't get it. Stupid old putz.
conmen double-speak
mcfuckhead is double-speaking
so deeply that his cheeks are hitting
the sides of his sigmoid-process.
on the view he had the gaul to tell
the people he would not override
rove vs wade and in the same sentence
say he will put justices on the sc bench
who will do just that.......FUCK THIS BASTARD LIAR.
He said that the ads were true. WTF!
How can you say he thought that any woman would have brought all the Hillary supporters to him?
Bring back Rosie!
I have a confession to make. I have not volunteered for Obama. I've given money, (quite a bit) and I'm not done yet. But I can't canvass...and I can't make phone calls. I have a disability.
Oh, I'm sorry..an inability. I can't control my temper when dealing with these pigs anymore. I can't keep my blood from boiling, and I can't be civil. When I'm around them at work, (doctors, of all people) I bite my tongue to keep my position at the hospital. If I had to call them, I know I couldn't be civil. I couldn't be polite. I'd bread down and ask them how could they be so fucking stupid!!
So hearing John McCain, just now on this clip, really just about set me over the edge. They fucking lie, and then lie again, to make the first lie they said seem even less preposterous. I want these bastards removed from our country. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS ELECTION IS SLIPPING AWAY AGAIN!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
abiodun @ 6:
I didn't see the View or doubt I would've watched but what would Elizabeth H. have asked anyway? She might spout GOP talking points but original thoughts, doubtful. I suspect that anything she might've said would have been "softball" at any rate. Good on them and I hope the MSM is PAYING ATTENTION!
abiodun @ 6:
Other than gushing that she was voting for him and then whimpering in her baby-doll voice that she was still going to ask him a tough question, (with no follow-up, I might add). I truly do not understand why she is still on that show. She adds nothing.
it's time to really start going after mccain's character. is it the polite thing to do? no. but in a national presidential election, with the future of this country at stake, it's absolutely necessary to vet him to the fullest and bring his numerous potential flaws to the attention of the american people, who will decide this election.
why does mccain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI?
even if you believe presidents need to lie, can we not all agree mccain is an extremely poor liar? he might fool nash mccabe, but will he be able to outduel vladimir putin, (who is now openly mocking bush's puppet presidency through western media)?
could it be mccain's so senile he just doesn't even realize he's contradicting himself one minute to the next?
does mccain really hold his wife in such low regard he called her a c*nt in public on more than one occasion?
does mccain really take the institution of marriage so lightly, he cheated on his first wife to be with cindy, and then on cindy to be with vicki?
was mccain really so hotheaded and reckless a pilot he managed to crash five navy planes?
was mccain really so dimwitted and/or undisciplined a student he finished fifth from the bottom in his class of over 800?
is mccain really so spineless he couldn't even defend his own family from the bush/rove hatchet job in SC in 2000?
see what i'm saying? all of these questions are relevant to whether or not this man is fit for command...
CMINCA @ 5:
One more quote: "If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift."
Gotta love Joy & Whoopi
I know it seems like I have tourettes syndrome, but it is important we put McCain/Palin completely on the defense.
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I used to hate these type of shows. As a Veteran, I salute these bold women who had the balls to question this lying liar and his cunt {Cindy and Sarah}Nobody besides Olbermann has the nuts to question these assholes who will drive our world to Armageddon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*second paragraph of my above comment should read:
why does mccain keep lying?
Senator Obama chooses his words very carefully, and he shouldn't have said it?
I guess that implies that Johnny doesn't pick his words carefully, and therefore, it's OK for him to say anything he wants.
Temper, temper, little boy.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/98465/mccain%27s_distortions%3A_i%27...
Ad by BraveNewPC debunking McCain's lies.
Palin: OK, I Didn't Quite Say "Thanks, But No Thanks"
Liars.
Wow the same program discussing whether the Earth is flat or not, throws some hardballs at McCain. And all he can do is respond with more bs lies and distortions
Good job ladies. This is what the news media should be doing
RancidVenison @ 19:
This is their latest ad nauseam talking point: "Obama is well-scripted"; "Obama's message is well-rehearsed"; "Obama chooses his words very carefully". Bullshit. How about Obama is an intelligent and articulate man.
sooooooooooo because Obama "chooses his words very carefully", "he shouldn't have said" lipstick on a pig, but McCain can? why? 'cause McCain doesn't choose his words carefully? the double standards of his unbelievable campaign just make me sick to my effing stomach. just bloody ridiculous!
it's not dirty politics to illustrate mccain's bad character by highlighting his own words and deeds.
dirty politics would be telling everyone mccain hired a nazi skinhead to run his campaign, which isn't true, as far as i know...
I know McCain is thinking that a VP doesn't really do anything and when he becomes president he'll get these pesky right-wing radical Christians off his back and hide Sarah in Cheney's bunker, but that isn't going to be the case. They expect a lot in return for their support and his staff of lobbyists also expect a substantial return on their investment. McCain just sold America out. Not Blue America, but ALL of America.
nycbassist @ 12:
I feel your pain; I'm the same way. Given money but I can't talk to them anymore. The worst part is I'm a teacher and I have to listen to the children of these moron republicans parrot what they've heard their parents say at home AND I CAN'T SAY A THING ABOUT IT. So I'm not only seeing the idiots around me but watching their children grow into the next generation of idiots and I'm powerless to open their eyes without running the risk of being fired.
This is why I drink.
Candidate: "...this is a tough campaign.."
Translation: "...I'm a scumbag and I know it..."
I like how McCain is trying to use Obama's thoughtful manner of speaking against him:
"...he chooses his words very carefully..." --therefore anything he says that could be twisted to be construed as an attack is intentional! Bonehead revolt!
What a scumbag.
Yeah Obama chooses his words very carefully and thats why its only logical to assume he was trying to commit political suicide by calling Sarah Palin a pig
Not even Republicans are that stupid. They know exactly what he meant
Barbara Walters. There's an "s" on the end.
RancidVenison @ 20:
exactly. joy should have countered mccain's "sen obama is very careful with his words" with "and you're not?".
you want to talk being careful about choice of words. palin is obviously NOT ready. she was asked
if she traveled to foreign countries and what foreign leaders she has met. did she give orders to
alaska national guard....listen closely she's lying and trying to avoid specific/nuance
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53029-count-the-facts-sarah-palin-gets-dea...
Why is it that the only "journalists" asking the Cons tough questions are always the people who aren't real journalists?
joy could have also said "yes, sen obama is careful with his choice of words and his record doesnt bear any disrespect for sarah palin. he even said palin's daughter should be spared the media hoopla. he has always been respectful. he doesnt have your (mccain's) history of nasty behavior."
Alright, who pushed the margin way to the right on this thread?
Pari @ 1:
From my standpoint both parties are panderers. Two wings of the War Party.
As for professional journalists, they are in the bag.
They are professional alright… whores!
constituent @ 33:
and she seems to get aggressive when pinned down.
Can we get the ladies from the View the be in charge of the debates? They are the only fair and balanced people out there. Well, them and Stewart and Colbert.
"Sen. Obama chooses his words very carefully." THAT is a scripted answer. They've been working on that one. It's like "have you stopped beating your wife." Are we going to say, No, Obama DOESN'T choose his words carefully???
A propos of this:
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17293
This quote about the flipflops is the perfect lead-in for an Obama ad. Show McCain saying no one can ever give an example of him flipping, followed by example after example. The Daily Show has already done half the work.
CMINCA @ 27:
the role of the vice president changed during the carter
administration.....you and i both know biden is going to work his but off. palin does NOT have the tools to work
with consultants on the federal/national level. she'll just
be told what to do.....listen'watch the video i posted
she is obviously trying to get by. many don't agree Palin is the weakest link that is why she is getting attention from the likes of us. you don't hear anything fromthe right regarding biden......nothing he's not the
evolutionary weakest link it's Palin and it has nothing to do with her gender everything to do with her reality
CMINCA @ 14:
she reminds me of a chihuahua when she speaks - no offense to chihuahuas, but she usually just rattles off so fast u can't even make sense of her nonsense. i'm waiting for the day that a celebrity comes out and calls her out about talking about michelle obama at the rncc, since babs obviously hasn't.
CMINCA @ 23:
How about both?
It was scripted a bit, but almost any speaker needs bullet notes (even if you've done the same one thirty times) to stay on time/avoid getting too tangential.
Me, I prefer someone who has some idea of what the f@ck one is getting into before getting into it (and it's pro'lly more important for a President(-ial candidate) then for most of us), ya know?
He knew exactly what he was saying, and he was saying it on-the-fly in a way that no rational human on earth could construe as being directed toward Palin.
Alas, we run into the problem of so many people thinking they are being rational while they're simply rationalizing.
Karen @ 41:
will you please get on their payroll. your comments have been spot on for some time
Cum awwwwnn, what is rong with yeeuuuuu folks.
If uuuuwwwww believed in Jesuuss,
Yew would be ashaaaaaaaaaaaaaamed our your selves.
Don't ya'll worry about that OLD, nearly dead, white haired guy, just BELIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEv!
Amen!
PALIN, SHE is what ya'll should be votin' for.
Don't ya see it, can't ya feel it, YA NEED ME TO HIT YOU IN THE HEAD WITH IT.
Vote: PALIN/McCain (don't worry, he'll end up dead) and WE'LL make this country the best damn
THEOCRACY the world has ever seen.
Forget the View. Please, please, please watch this potential ad for the Obama campaign that is on the Alternet site:
Hey Obama Campaign, Have You Seen This?
Posted by tremayne, Open Left at 9:50 AM on September 12, 2008.
If you know somebody in the Obama campaign or somebody close to somebody important in the Obama campaign, please send them the link to this video and see if they can't edit something shorter and air it: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/98581/hey_obama_campaign%2C_have_you...
Sarah Palin said two things which can be pegs for an attack ad of this kind:
1. War with Russia could happen over the Georgia conflict
2. Soldiers going to Iraq are fighting the people who killed thousands of Americans on Sept. 11.
The Obama camp needs to launch a fresh, timely attack that will make the McCain campaign splutter. This is it.
Get the word out.
Obama chooses his words carefully? Kind of like "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" Like that joke you told, McDick? You're nothing but a turd that can't be polished. I can't wait for Obama to be on the View. I think the first thing he should do is turn to Elizabeth Hasselbeck, or whatever the hell her name is, and say "By the way, my wife says you can jump up her butt and look around. And see if she's hiding anything."
constituent @ 45:
Already an ad; see my link at post #21.
CMINCA @ 14:
She adds a lot of blondness and really white teeth.
masha @ 38:
you know body language that's a guarded and lying look
totally up tight ....the word is she is agressive if she doesn't get her way much like mccain. she's not ready to converse with with federal/national consultants.
she tried to avoid questions Never met a foreign leader
in the last 30 yrs. every v.p. candidate has. when asked about national security...went to the energy card.
even the complexity of energy is nothing she has experienced. this is the weakest link....the mccain
campaign wants us to leave her alone. they tried to
develop a shield.......
galmud @ 30:
Case in point. Thank you, galmud.
constituent @ 51:
But, but she was coached by Lieberman.
K.O. is going to kick some ass tonight.
saturday night live could be fun tomorrow night
I think they're working together to help take this country back.
I've been impressed recently by the number of times the media DID take McCain, Palin and the McCain Campaign to task for their deceit.
I've seen them called LIARS more than once.
The Press has taken a lot of hits for their recent delinquency.
I think there is a sense of desperation setting in on ALL Americans - the Press included.
It's time to throw the PIRATES overboard and take back the Ship Of State!
Let a passing Venezuelan vessel pick them up and deliver them to the Hague!
CMINCA @ 27:
McCain isn't taking his own mortality into account. He'll be close to 76 years old at the end of this term as president. Does he really believe that she could go from doing nothing to being the "leader of the free world". Lotsa stuff happens to people around his age like a stroke or Alzheimer's disease. Whatever happens doesn't have to be fatal to be debilitating. How does President Sarah Palin sound to you?
Palin interview:
blah...blah....blah...blah...charlie....blah..blah...charlie
absolutely nothing here if obama gave an interview like this
he would have been laughed out of washington
Would be nice is somebody knew somebody at the View and would get a list of lies, distortions, and flip flops to discuss on the air tomorrow.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 37:
thats right no dif
now go back and tell uncle karl that you did your job...give him his happy ending and collect your paycheck
i hear you people on the radio too...all the alleged reformed dems, who are disgusted at how palin is being treated
fuck those rovian hacks too
Allz I'zz gotsta say iz, Man I love those women. Joy, Babba and Whoopie. Gots ta luv dem women. I'd be really interested in what the repug woman said.
Noah Cross @ 58:
I'm with ya, but I think Monday, maybe...
Did anyone see "Countdown with Keith Olberman" a few minutes ago????
Sarah Palin sealed the election for Obama!!! This is so good. I love it!!!
I just heard an excerpt of the 2nd Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson and Sarah Palin said, "NUKULAR" instead of "Nuclear". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A five star imbecile just like the current President. God, when this hits the airways it's going to kill the McCain campaign. I would hope all Americans don't want to hear the word "NUKULAR" ever again!! She's an idiot just like chimp!
Senator Obama chooses his words very carefully, and he shouldn’t have said it?
That's the same crap republican spinners and the press have been using against Dems for years. They especially used it against Clinton, Gore and Kerry. There are no mistakes when you're a Democrat, all is planned and evil, and any subtext you can dream of, no matter how inane must be true. But all is forgiven if you're a republican.
nice ad from Obama today.
McCain can't email.......He can't use a keyboard because of his torture in Vietnam. Man is Obama an idiot or what. Once this hits the news cycle it will be the end of "the One". Criticizing war heros over their injuries....I mean SERIOUSLY??????
someguy @ 64:
Just more unsubstantiated bs coming from the GOP. He' sure can shake hands alot, and he's great at accepting funny money from Corrupt MoFo's. I call bullshit. And next time you spout your bullshit like this provide some back up, like a link.
Otherwise, your words mean nothing.
I want all of you to pay attention to HOW short and TINY mccain is... He is the same size as the one person we should have a President but cant because he is too small... ( Kucinich )..
Look at how pathetic and tiny that old Q-Tip Douche bag is...
someguy @ 64:
How is McCain a War Hero???
A Fucking WAR HERO???
Have you lost your goddamn mind?
Where was McCain's 'flag pin?'
I think McSame showed himself to be himself:
A LYING SNAKE.
No wonder he chose another SNAKE for veep.
Vote Obama.
CMINCA @ 5:
Thanks for that.
I still have difficulty grasping that, as the world has become more interconnected via media, internet, etc, so many people in this country, many of whom weren't of voting age during the Raygun era, still think that they can basically act as "cowboys and Indians" from some bygone Raygun or John Wayne western in these times. I put much of the blame on GWB stretching the schtick out over the last eight years, but jessus f'ing Christ! We're still an integral part of the world that some respect, some fear, and some loathe. If we don't pay attention to how OTHER countries see us and bury our heads in the sand or thumb our noses at the rest of the world (like Raygun and Bush did/do with their false patriotism), this country is doomed.
Did Mac tell the gals . . . "I'm the Super Rich I can afford to lie. You paupers have to tell the truth it's the only thing you can afford." ??
Too bad that the ladies on the view couldn't get him to blow his temper. It looked like he was really close... just a little bit of a shove...
uncle joe mccarthy @ 59:
Excuse me, where do you hear Socialists on the radio, I want to tune in.
The Karl that I know is Marx.
Where were your Democrats when Habeas Corpus went down, when FISA went down, when Torture went down, when the Military Commissions act went down. Every 'war' funding bill passed without a whine. Even since they took control in '06.
Where are your Democrats. They can't call the criminal Republicans out because they are at the same trough.
Take your stinking Democrats and go to hell with the stinking Republicans.
They are both in the pockets of the corporations.
This interview was all good and great, but I think it speaks much more loudly to the corporate media and the job they're (not) doing. When The View is doing the job they should be doing, there's something wrong.
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CMINCA Says:
Published on Friday, September 12, 2008 by The Guardian/UK
The World’s Verdict Will Be Harsh if the US Rejects the Man It Yearns For
An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse
by Jonathan Freedland
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/12-1
------------------------------------
From the article (and sorry off topic)
"Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.
And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".
LibertyLover @ 72:
I think he was close.
But the bug in his ear just kept streaming: "John, you're the man! A POW! They're just a bunch of c*#ts, but that skinny blonde one's hot!"
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 73:
Sorry to be sharp, but neither Chomsky nor Nader know Marx. They put the blame on the actors, not the play. They shift attention from the disease to the symptoms... from the forrest to the trees. I hope you know what I'm sayin'.
Would it be improper of me to call Mc Cain a "pigfucker"? I think not!
Good! Maybe the women who watch The View will realize the stupidity of backing McCain.
An Average Joe @ 78:
If you have a link to back that up, please don't post it.
masha @ 32:
yeah, i bet she regrets not thinking of that on the spot. in her defense though, this is more follow-up than the MSM is doing.
Did you see McMothballs eyes when the said "...Lies".
He has repeated the lies so often himself he actually seems to believe them. Of course that is only a perception from this video and that itself could be a lie because he is a pathological liar. He started his relationship with his current wife with a lie about his age as he was lying to the wife he would abandon. Unless of course he told his ex, honey I am going to go out and literally fuck someone else, so fuck you figuratively. You think he was that truthful?