Speaking of book bans, Here’s Eyewitness Proof That Sarah Palin Never Reads
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3628

Wow, I thought Harry Potter was bad. These people will be driving around in their cars, rallying up their base how these books are evil. Reminds of of Hitler, how about you?

Why, Oh why, do we give these people anything beyond the oblivion they so obviously deserve?

These fucking idiots seek to ban a book that teaches not to burn books because characters in the book burn books. In my less noble moments, I entertain the idea that these fucking idiots should be banished from our land.

By the way, just to add to the irony, Ray Bradbury was often frustrated by the common interpretation Fahrenheit 451 as an anti-censorship manifesto. Bradbury's intent was to warn against our excessive television consumption, which steers us away from books and numbs our brains.

Tonight's "Honest McCain Campaign Poster" courtesy of the Colbert Report, still on as we speak:

http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/09/honest-mccain-campaign-poster-39.html

bullfrog @ 5:

i genuinely love the people of israel. i love the palestinians, too. but i want toi say a few words for the israelis.

no matter what happens, i pray the relations between america and israel remain strong. we've been through a lot together. yes, i'm pissed about the attack on the u.s.s liberty.

but we all mistakes, and one thing many of israel's detractor's may not understand is that there are scumbags in every intelligence agency in the world.

hopefully, we're all getting better.

hopefully, we all achieve world peace. i look forward to one day visiting israel. my cousin, who spent a year or two over there, says it's quite beautiful.

i have very high hopes for the woman about to assume the mantle of leadership...

If by this you mean the people of Israel, I'm entirely with you.

Their leadership is another matter altogether ..................

Karen @ 8:

By the way, just to add to the irony, Ray Bradbury was often frustrated by the common interpretation Fahrenheit 451 as an anti-censorship manifesto. Bradbury's intent was to warn against our excessive television consumption, which steers us away from books and numbs our brains.

I'd add that the book also warns about how easily public opinion can be manipulated by a centralized media that works on behalf of the State, rather than questioning and holding accountable the powers that be.

Personally, I find it very difficult to grasp just how people can grow up in a country like ours yet be so uneducated as to not understand the importance of a book like "Fahrenheit 451" and the irony of trying to ban a book that warns against the dangers of banning/burning books, and even uses the Bible as an example.

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Watch angry, bitter, hostile McCain in an interview with the Des Moines Editorial Board.
He's a frightening little man.
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bamboozled @ 14:

Karen @ 8:

By the way, just to add to the irony, Ray Bradbury was often frustrated by the common interpretation Fahrenheit 451 as an anti-censorship manifesto. Bradbury's intent was to warn against our excessive television consumption, which steers us away from books and numbs our brains.

I'd add that the book also warns about how easily public opinion can be manipulated by a centralized media that works on behalf of the State, rather than questioning and holding accountable the powers that be.

Personally, I find it very difficult to grasp just how people can grow up in a country like ours yet be so uneducated as to not understand the importance of a book like "Fahrenheit 451" and the irony of trying to ban a book that warns against the dangers of banning/burning books, and even uses the Bible as an example.

Because the paradox of freedom is that, in order to maintain it, people must be force-educated to learn about how freedom works. Freedom is not humankind's natural state, and, once achieved, free people become free to be ignorant. They resist the education needed, deny their children the education needed, and revert back into a more natural state, and demand the outlawing of everything they fear.

I love watching whats going on. One day everyone is running for cover the next day everything is rosey.

Some personal observations on the matter
1 Americans have not gotten a real wage increase in years.
2 Most of your manufacturing sector has been shipped off shore
3 People have gone into debt using their homes for lifestyle loans
4 I see your goverment telling everyone things are ok go and spend money you don't have.
5 The price of homes has now collasped and there is an excess of new and older homes out there and it has stalled your economy. People can't afford to buy new homes or exsisting homes so the new home industry and everything it supports has stalled.

My grandmother had a saying
"you can't take from peter to pay paul"
I know understand what grandma was trying to say

sorry everyone I meant
I now understand what grandma was saying

From a friend in the biz comes a warning that I recieved from one of my suppliers:

If you use a product that contains powder milk, know that the Chinese have cornered the market on the product. Mac and cheese in a box, you might want to rethink about it. Not trying to be a scare merchant, but I almost shit my pants in the office today when I read the flash warning from a dry goods supplier today about how some products my come into short supply as they look for other suppliers that dont use the powdered milk from China. Cadbury might just be the start and the part that does scare me is that there is no info on where the powdered milk in your food is coming from.

For the record Im a part owner of a resturant.

Kewl.

See as this is my vid on YouTube, a hat-tip would be nice. :)

-*- Mugsy of BI30 -*-

napoleon, with an ocean of blood on his hands, dies a christian.

i understand the more cynical will say it was only because he was on his death bed, but i daresay napoleon lays out a pretty persuasive argument.

Karen @ 25:

Peter G @ 16:

I really enjoyed the latest Palin thread. That person is an endless source of humor but it occurred to me as I read all the comments about her abysmal ignorance that that may be precisely why she is on the Republican ticket. Even if she didn't bring women to the party she surely would draw the stupid. As Mark Twain remarked in Pudnhead Wilson; "ain't that a big enough majority in any town"

Sarah Palin is the neo-theo-con's dream candidate. The perfect blend of Bush's ineptitude and Cheney's iniquity, she'll do their bidding -- as she might say -- without blinking, and her End Times enthusiasm is genuine, to boot.

Decent Republicans should be absolutely furious with John McCain for nominating this imbecilic beauty queen.

But she does have one talent at which I marvel: She continues to make Katie Couric look like a serious journalist.

Couric: Is it always wise to promote Democracy around the world? After all, Hamas won a democratic election.

Palin: We need to support Israel because the president of Iran is evil.

[Paraphrased, but basically correct. Click the link.]

It's so painful and embarrassing to watch. Yeah, perhaps if she has a mediocre performance at the debate, the republicans and the MSM may declare it a victory. However, all the dumbass crap in between will be on the series of tubes, youtube, MSM, SNL etc. And that won't help McCain's campaign.

bullfrog @ 28:

napoleon, with an ocean of blood on his hands, dies a christian.

i understand the more cynical will say it was only because he was on his death bed, but i daresay napoleon lays out a pretty persuasive argument.

Huh?

Karen @ 32:

bullfrog @ 28:

napoleon, with an ocean of blood on his hands, dies a christian.

i understand the more cynical will say it was only because he was on his death bed, but i daresay napoleon lays out a pretty persuasive argument.

Huh?

May I also add Whuh! I realize this is an open thread but where the hell did that come from?

I suppose we can always hope that this key demographic that Palin brings to the ticket will be just too stupid to find the proper polling station.

Wiggles @ 37:

Way to make a book more popular than it would have been had they not campaigned to ban it.

It's ironic alright, but a different type of ironic.

That's the lesson never learned by pro-censorship fools. Being banned is great PR.

Another example why marching in the streets is ineffective when the media is bought and paid for by the elite.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1222744802

Troopergate Witness Flips Story Underoath ... Now Admits to Being Pressured by Palin
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/30/11451/4129/817/615479

When he faces off against Sarah Palin Thursday night, Joe Biden will have his hands full. I should know. I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times.

On April 18, 2006, Palin and I sat together in a hotel coffee shop comparing campaign trail notes. As we talked about the debates, Palin made a comment that highlights the phenomenon that Biden is up against.

"Andrew, I watch you at these debates with no notes, no papers, and yet when asked questions, you spout off facts, figures, and policies, and I'm amazed. But then I look out into the audience and I ask myself, 'Does any of this really matter?' " Palin said.

While policy wonks such as Biden might cringe, it seemed to me that Palin was simply vocalizing her strength without realizing it. During the campaign, Palin's knowledge on public policy issues never matured – because it didn't have to. Her ability to fill the debate halls with her presence and her gift of the glittering generality made it possible for her to rely on populism instead of policy.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html

Orangutan, those two videos pretty much sum up the meaning of 'propaganda' in the 21st century.

Brilliant.

Wiggles @ 39:

P.D. @ 4:

Wow, I thought Harry Potter was bad. These people will be driving around in their cars, rallying up their base how these books are evil. Reminds of of Hitler, how about you?

Speaking of Hitler, this past weekend, Austria (you know, the birth of Nazism) voted into power the hard-fringe-far-right-NeoFascist-party. Nice.

Italy's got a right wing nut job, France voted for the guy who hates immigrants with a vengeance. Yeah. Europe is heading down that slippery slope again and America is not far behind.

This happened in the late 90s in Austria as well. At that point in time, the center-right People's Party opted to form a coalition with the extreme-right, and ironically named, Freedom Party, rather than with the Social Democrats with whom they'd ruled jointly for a very long time. When they did so, they earned the wrath of the EU and the rest of the world.

Here's hoping they've learned their lesson. They could still choose to form a coalition with the Social Democrats, and have a majority. But there is not just one Nazi-like parties in the parliament this time, but two. The Freedom Party and the Alliance for the Future of Austria, who together earned around 30% of the vote. Should the People's Party opt to coalesce with them, things will indeed get very ugly.

Wiggles @ 46:

Orangutan, those two videos pretty much sum up the meaning of 'propaganda' in the 21st century.

Brilliant.

We've got our work cut out. That's why the blogs and person to person communication, emails, dvd's, etc are so important. We know where the media lies. They lied us right into the War in Iraq to make money for the big corporations. We've got to put a stop to it. Thanks as well.

BeeSting Says: Not often I would link to a Michael Moore piece. But in this rant, Nail meets Hammer
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I agree with Moore completely. My (Democratic) rep voted for the bailout bill yesterday. I'm not hopeful that the Dems will do the right thing.

Karen @ 48:

Wiggles @ 39:

P.D. @ 4:

Wow, I thought Harry Potter was bad. These people will be driving around in their cars, rallying up their base how these books are evil. Reminds of of Hitler, how about you?

Speaking of Hitler, this past weekend, Austria (you know, the birth of Nazism) voted into power the hard-fringe-far-right-NeoFascist-party. Nice.

Italy's got a right wing nut job, France voted for the guy who hates immigrants with a vengeance. Yeah. Europe is heading down that slippery slope again and America is not far behind.

This happened in the late 90s in Austria as well. At that point in time, the center-right People's Party opted to form a coalition with the extreme-right, and ironically named, Freedom Party, rather than with the Social Democrats with whom they'd ruled jointly for a very long time. When they did so, they earned the wrath of the EU and the rest of the world.

Here's hoping they've learned their lesson. They could still choose to form a coalition with the Social Democrats, and have a majority. But there is not just one Nazi-like parties in the parliament this time, but two. The Freedom Party and the Alliance for the Future of Austria, who together earned around 30% of the vote. Should the People's Party opt to coalesce with them, things will indeed get very ugly.

Interesting. I weep for humanity when I come across things like that. If you ask me, I think this new wave of radicalism, in the west at least, started with Bush II. When you look at Canada, the UK, Australia, they all had right wing leaders in the past 8 years who got their cues from the U.S.. There is no denying that America sets the tone, and the rest follow. I have had it with the fear mongering and the divisiveness. Here's to Obama winning next month.

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Watch angry, bitter, hostile McCain in an interview with the Des Moines Editorial Board.
He’s a frightening little man.
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I love Des Moines. It's a great place.

Just wanted to share.

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Watch angry, bitter, hostile McCain in an interview with the Des Moines Editorial Board.
He’s a frightening little man.
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Thanks for sharing that video.

He may be frightening, but even more than that he's a tactless a$$hole.

Anybody else pumped about the VP debate?
Can't wait to see Biden tear it up, especially after the Palin interview.

25 Karen Says: Peter G @ 16:

I really enjoyed the latest Palin thread. That person is an endless source of humor but it occurred to me as I read all the comments about her abysmal ignorance that that may be precisely why she is on the Republican ticket. Even if she didn’t bring women to the party she surely would draw the stupid. As Mark Twain remarked in Pudnhead Wilson; “ain’t that a big enough majority in any town”

Sarah Palin is the neo-theo-con’s dream candidate. The perfect blend of Bush’s ineptitude and Cheney’s iniquity, she’ll do their bidding — as she might say — without blinking, and her End Times enthusiasm is genuine, to boot.

Decent Republicans should be absolutely furious with John McCain for nominating this imbecilic beauty queen.

But she does have one talent at which I marvel: She continues to make Katie Couric look like a serious journalist.
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Hi Karen.

Agreed. I predict many of us will tire of a new media meme: "Katie's stock rises on strength of Palin interviews." I was waiting for her to make John McCain erupt to prove her gravitas, but alas, no such luck.

So close, and yet so far.

Good night

49 Orangutan. Says: You remember what Georgette Stephanopoulos and “In what respect” Charlie Gibson did to Obama during the Primary Debate…

Well.. Tom Brokaw Will Try To Sink Obama in Debate

According to http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....228/616076
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True. Brokaw is completely a McCain "homer."

If he'd have been a true journalist instead of a de facto marketing consultant for NBC, he'd have told the McCain campaign to go to hell when they threatened to boycott this debate--unless, as it turned out, Brokaw himself would moderate.

Brokaw should've said, "Go ahead and bail. How'd threatening to do that turn out for you the last time. We'll put any damned moderator up there we want."

But Brokaw needs access to those powerful U.S. senators and administration officials, just as Tim Russert did. And G.E. needs a president who will guarantee construction of new nuclear facilities.

Look for nuclear questions from the audience--and a lot of ringers who remind us why we should fear and distrust Obama.

Why Tom Brokaw is such a successful douchebag... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM

"There's really five companies that control 90 percent of what we read, see and hear." - Ted Turner founder of CNN

Ash "Hussy" Williams @ 67:

Wow, just realized the video is from my general area.
Is it just me or has the intelligence level of your average country-bumpkin really taken a hit recently?
He disagrees with the book, in part, because it "talks about firefighters"...

Is it even possible to make a book with this dad's ideals? No suspense. No climax. No freaking depth of character.

It's call Reader's Digest.

Ash "Hussy" Williams @ 60:

Anybody else pumped about the VP debate?
Can't wait to see Biden tear it up, especially after the Palin interview.

I almost feel sorry for her, however i can't go that far. If she has her way we would all die in a nuclear holocaust and frankly i will trade that in for her living for the rest of her life in shame.

What a fucking moron. And so is McCain.

JimboSlice @ 73:

Anyone else think it is a little odd that John McCain called today for raising the limits on FDIC insured deposits?

Afterall it is still this John McCain, right?

In 1991, McCain railed against raising the FDIC insurance limit from $40,000 to its current $100,000 level. "The perversity of Federal deposit insurance is exemplified by the taxpayer bailout of the savings and loan industry," McCain said, while omitting his own role in the scandal that actually precipitated the S&L crisis.

"I think it is generally acknowledged that the failure of the savings and loan industry, to a large degree, can be directly attributed to the unwarranted expansion of deposit insurance," McCain continued. "Basic coverage was increased from $40,000 to $100,000. No longer was deposit insurance for the small depositor. It became the safety blanket for large, sophisticated depositors and freewheeling bankers."

He announced that he was in favor of it after Obama already made his announcement.

OK, in a sane world, this guy and his daughter would simply be ignored. Then he could sue the school district and get his case laughed out of the courtroom. He could continue to send his daughter to public school with all the books they offer, or cough up the dough for private Christian school. Of course, that would be in a sane world.
On a more positive note, my son is reading Catcher in the Rye in his 11th grade class and so far, no idiot parent has complained. And I live in a red state.

Ash "Hussy" Williams @ 60:

Anybody else pumped about the VP debate?
Can't wait to see Biden tear it up, especially after the Palin interview.

If I had to bet, I'd bet it will go as follows:

Biden will be very polite, try extra hard to keep his answers very short, and rather than provoke or respond to Palin, will simply allow her to hang herself with her own words.

Palin will have practiced so hard, that she'll essentially have memorized stock paragraphs. She'll try very hard not to ramble or ad lib, and just to repeat those stock paragraphs, even when she doesn't know what she's talking about. The answers won't always match the question asked, but at least they'll sound more coherent than the Miss Teen South Carolina answers she gave to Couric and Gibson.

In the end, Palin will have said some silly things, but not the breathtakingly ditzy things for which she is now infamous. Bloggers will concentrate on those silly things, emphasizing just how silly her positions are, while her defenders and the media will note that she wasn't the screw-up that everyone was waiting for.

I hope I'm wrong, of course. I hope she just makes a jaw-dropping fool of herself.

Anyone notice that the trolls are particularly desperate these days?

LOL. Lots of Laughs. Much appreciated. I hope so to.

Karen @ 83:

"I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception, and I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world, and again, I haven't spoken to anyone who disagrees with my position on that."
-----Sarah Palin (in response to whether she is for or against the morning after pill)

She's never spoken to anyone who disagrees with her position?

I don't think she is allowed to.

xoites defends Constitution @ 84:

Karen @ 83:

"I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception, and I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world, and again, I haven't spoken to anyone who disagrees with my position on that."
-----Sarah Palin (in response to whether she is for or against the morning after pill)

She's never spoken to anyone who disagrees with her position?

I don't think she is allowed to.

I don't think they are allowed to.

Gone InSane is trying to outdo his soul mate.

Question: Throughout your adult life, am I right?, as a veteran and a member of Congress, and now someone over 65, have you always been covered in your adult life by a taxpayer-financed health care plan?

John McCain: Uh, I was out of the military for a while before I went to Congress, but, you know, that's an interesting statement, and, um, so, and I have never, um, been an astronaut, but I think I know the challenges of space.

Ron @ 86:

xoites defends Constitution @ 84:

Karen @ 83:

"I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception, and I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world, and again, I haven't spoken to anyone who disagrees with my position on that."
-----Sarah Palin (in response to whether she is for or against the morning after pill)

She's never spoken to anyone who disagrees with her position?

I don't think she is allowed to.

I don't think they are allowed to.

that's it i don't think they're allowed to. if you
disagree with palin she takes it personally.

China's businesses are learning the American art of destroying evidence. Speaking of lying for the government, the Bush EPA continues to defend
nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain. The rest of the world isn't very sympathetic to our stock crash. The Senate plans to pay for a bail-out with more tax cuts. Republicans keep Putin us on with Palin.

Someone predicted a long time ago that the war on terror might turn into a vietnam type situation ... that hero was John McCain in 1998 ... check out this interview!

Q: You not only have had combat experience in Vietnam, but you were also a prisoner of war. When you look at terrorism right now, with people like Osama bin Laden, do you have any reservations about watching strikes like that?

A: You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before. And where there is a parallel with Vietnam is: What's plan B? What do we do next? We sent our troops into Vietnam to protect the bases. Lyndon Johnson said, Only to protect the bases. Next thing you know.... Well, we've declared to the terrorists that we're going to strike them wherever they live. That's fine. But what's next? That's where there might be some comparison.

Now say what you want about Mr. Foreign Policy National Security Expert not know who this guy "Laden" is, he at least knew that a war on terror would lead to another vietnam ... too bad he probably thinks the failure of vietnam is that we left.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1998/11/vest.html

JimboSlice @ 94:

Someone predicted a long time ago that the war on terror might turn into a vietnam type situation ... that hero was John McCain in 1998 ... check out this interview!

Q: You not only have had combat experience in Vietnam, but you were also a prisoner of war. When you look at terrorism right now, with people like Osama bin Laden, do you have any reservations about watching strikes like that?

A: You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before. And where there is a parallel with Vietnam is: What's plan B? What do we do next? We sent our troops into Vietnam to protect the bases. Lyndon Johnson said, Only to protect the bases. Next thing you know.... Well, we've declared to the terrorists that we're going to strike them wherever they live. That's fine. But what's next? That's where there might be some comparison.

Now say what you want about Mr. Foreign Policy National Security Expert not know who this guy "Laden" is, he at least knew that a war on terror would lead to another vietnam ... too bad he probably thinks the failure of vietnam is that we left.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1998/11/vest.html

What he "knew" and what he "knows" are apparently two different things.

I suspect Cindy is with him all the time to reinforce face recognition.

xoites defends Constitution @ 95:

BeeSting @ 91:

I'm sure I've already posted this but it should be watched by everyone at least once.

I like this chick.

Give her a promotion.

You needed three links?

She is right, no doubt about it.

She should be Obama's VP. What a Real American Woman!

BeeSting @ 97:

xoites defends Constitution @ 95:

BeeSting @ 91:

I'm sure I've already posted this but it should be watched by everyone at least once.

I like this chick.

Give her a promotion.

You needed three links?

She is right, no doubt about it.

I didn't need three links, but my beer fingers screamed for them.

I hope they don't wake the neighbors, you could find them looking for a new home. :)

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

BeeSting @ 97:

xoites defends Constitution @ 95:

BeeSting @ 91:

You needed three links?

She is right, no doubt about it.

I didn't need three links, but my beer fingers screamed for them.

I hope they don't wake the neighbors, you could find them looking for a new home. :)

I'm sorry, but I started humming "Gimme Three Steps".

103 JustAnOldLady I get that too!

"What do you find objectionable about this book?"
"The cussing and the burning of the bible."
What an IDIOT.

i've said it all along....palin is the weakest link. palin's
handlers are trying the she's just like you theme. the
demographic that doesn't fit into the educated group
loves this. some don't appreciate the educated class
for many reasons so they will stand by palin as she
struggles in these interviews. that's the 'gotcha' angle.
poor me they're trying to get me. NOW conservatives
are mumbling amongst themselves....that palin should
drop out.personally i think the debate has a good chance of being uneventful. i hope i'm wrong. gender
has nothing to do with my criticism...palin is NOT
qualified or more importantly palin doesn't have the
federal/national experience. we need to continue
constructive criticism.

O.K., I'm channeling old SNL:

"What's all this about tanning books? Who could do such a thing? Why would anyone want to tan books? I think tanning... huh?... what? Oh... well... that's different. Nevermind!"

Love ya' Emily.

The father should take his daughter out of public school if he's that controlling. Meanwhile, the daughter was apparently so dim she didn't realize that Fahrenheit 451 depicts burning the Bible as a bad thing.

palin is utterly unqualified

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/55226-fareed-zakaria-sarah-palin-utterly-u...

Arnie finally does something useful.

Sad

Ladies & Gentlemen.. I give you... HYPNOPALIN!

I hope the school board didn't cave to this f*ing cretin moron hick, wanting to ban a book because it mentions "cigarettes", "talking about firemen." This living proof of the failure of education should be pilloried as an anti-american, anti-constitutional, fascist theocrat and enrolled into remedial citizenship 101. thank god the kids have the good sense to fight it. How did it turn out? btw, palin is on the record as believing humans and dinasaurs co-existed some 6k yrs ago. Says she's seen photographs of dinasour prints and human footprints intermixed. I believe she is also on record as having "made enquiries" to her local librarian in Wasilla about book-banning. I hope this comes up in the debates.

RonB @ 113:

I am willing to make a bet that Palin walks on the stage at the debate wearing her hair down on her shoulders. To hid the earpiece she will be wearing for the answers to questions.
They did it with Bush and they will do it with her...any takers?

The moderator should begin the debate by asking each candidate if they have any electronic communication devices on them.

Orangutan. @ 42:

Troopergate Witness Flips Story Underoath ... Now Admits to Being Pressured by Palin
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/30/11451/4129/817/615479

And the big question now is, will she hang around until Oct 10th, or resign before then...

Seems somebody doesnt like the news escaping, seems to happen to quite a lot of annoying (to Republicans) websites these days.

Will comment here since The Mudflats is still down due to DOS.

I wonder if this is connected to the missing server hardware that was on the GAO's federal credit card fraud investigation $5.6B list,
ie somebody got a present of 16 untraceable servers to play dirty games with on the Interwebs.

What are we going to do with these idiots.
It takes the lords name in vein and there is no reason it should be read.
These people are such fools I would just like to slap the shit out of them.
The bible has so much in it that seems offensive to me but I never once thought is should be banned.
I personally think the bible written by men for what reason I do not know has things in it that are very unrealistic and done in a manner to try to gain control.
Most thinking people can see it's a good tail and has some good points but not something to base your life upon.
These people would be much better off if they would read the Constitution.
It would serve them better.

Hilarious Bush & McCain & Palin cartoon about the bailout: clicky.

Oh yeah, a translation might come in handy: "This is a bank robbery. Empty your pockets..." "... And give it to the bank."

StirFry @ 16:

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Watch angry, bitter, hostile McCain in an interview with the Des Moines Editorial Board.
He's a frightening little man.
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More like a frightened little man...

Daily Reading pt 1...

Sarah Palin puts polar bears on thin ice: The United States is drawing closer and closer to one of the most important presidential elections in many years. In particular, the scientific community is anxiously anticipating the outcome on November 4. One of the reasons can be summed up by a December 12, 2007 House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Report.
- http://www.desmogblog.com/sarah-palin-puts-polar-bears-on-thin-ice
"This report presents the findings of the Committee’s investigation. The evidence before the Committee leads to one inescapable conclusion: the Bush Administration has engaged in a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming."
The Guardian's findings show without a doubt where Sarah Palin stands on global warming, regardless of what she has said in recent interviews.
It also presents a disturbing view of what a potential McCain-Palin administration would look like. It would simply be a continuation of the Bush administration's science policies.
The only difference is that Bush admits global warming is real.

Big Blow to Republican Election Fraud: "In a defeat for Republican challenges, state and federal courts have cleared the way for a weeklong period in which new voters can register and cast an absentee ballot on the same day in Ohio." Oh, Those Republican Rascals are Trying to Disenfranchise Voters Around the Country Yet Again.
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30ohio.html?_r=1&nl=pol&em...
This is done all over the world, this is what democracy should be, one person, one vote...as intended by the Founding Fathers

What can you do with 700 Billion? So much money, so little time - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10535089
It could ensure universal healthcare coverage for six years, for example, or upgrade the country's most deficient bridges four times over. All the work to upgrade coastal levees that's been done since Hurricane Katrina? It's a mere drop in the proverbial bucket - US$7 billion, or just 1 per cent.
Or, on a more mundane level, US$700 billion could pay the wages of 22 million average Americans for a year. You could even shoot for the moon. The Apollo programme that put man on the moon in 1969 cost roughly US$164 billion in today's dollars.
According to the Wall Street Journal, half the money Roosevelt spent on his New Deal programme to lift the country out of the Depression was for public works projects. For US$250 billion in today's dollars, the nation got: 8000 parks; 40,000 public buildings; 72,000 schools.

Why John McCain has Trouble with Truth and Taxes - http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7494/
Despite repeated corrections by fact-checking watchdogs, the McCain campaign continued to falsely claim this week that Barack Obama would raise taxes on working families.
Analysis of the two presidential candidates tax proposals by the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, as well as various media investigations, have revealed that Barack Obama's tax plan is consistent with his pledge to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working families.
By contrast, McCain's tax proposals provide new tax breaks for corporations totaling $300 billion, including a massive $4 billion tax break for oil companies which through price gouging have made record profits in 2008. In addition some 58 percent of income tax cuts would go to the wealthiest one percent of Americans.
But McCain's false attacks are also an attempt to divert attention from the massive tax increase he plans to sneak into the health care system by eliminating tax incentives on employment-based health care benefits, taxing American working families and employers for health benefits for the first time ever to the tune of $3.6 trillion dollars.
Recent studies of McCain's health care tax, a replica of a plan George W. Bush pushed early on, would boot as many as 27 million out of the employment-based insurance system, leaving millions of families at the mercy of private insurance companies in the expensive individual market.

"Pumping McCain: Is Sagging Ticket Beyond The Palin?"- http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/pumping-mccain-sagging-ticket-beyo...

New Poll: John McCain doing poorly with young evangelicals - http://futuremajority.com/node/3030

What the Corporate Media won't tell you: AmericaBlog: Republican party was secretly opposing bailout bill BEFORE Pelosi spoke - http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/republican-party-was-secretly-opposin...
So....John "don't cry for me Argentina" Boehner was putting on another 'performance' when he and his Republican miscreants were blowing smoke at the american public on Monday...

The Anthrax Case Reopens: Why Did the FBI Let the Fort Detrick Scientists Investigate Themselves? - http://www.truthout.org/093008A
Question for the right wingnuts...if this wasn't a political attack (a Rovian appetizer), why were only Democratic leaders targeted?????????????

SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO VOTE WITH THEIR WALLET: Think Progress: Breaking down the numbers: Are you better off than you were eight years ago? - http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/29/dow-drop-2008-v-2001/
CBS News's Mark Knoller notes that the national debt has grown 71.9 percent since Bush took office, "more than under any previous president." Stats that no con-servative can refute....

Karen @ 57:

Orangutan. @ 55:

pablo @ 51:

Bradbury turned into a wingnut sometime in the 90's. It was only then that he spoke of 451 being about the dangers of television replacing the book. Apparently he's okay with book bans now.

That is so disappointing and hard to believe. What an awesome book he wrote. Oh well. His best work is apparently behind him.

Bradbury did veer radically right. He apparently loves George W. Bush.

I'm not sure he's all that mentally healthy in his old age (and I say that seriously and respectfully).

death and inheritance taxes, the uber rich love Chimpy/WcCain.
the selfish Repugs dont pay fair taxes on their income during their lives, so why pay it at death.

CALL TO ACTION. RIGHT NOW!!!

The Truth about the Bailout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIFoBXGizc

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Should be SOP--standard operating procedure. Not enough coffee (or meth?) yet...

Honestly, these people are very scary. The girl dislikes it because of the "cussing and burning of the bible"?!? And dad is pushing the point? These are the potential voters people. Be very very afraid.

Once again the religious right is pushing their extreme views on all. If they don't want to read it, don't. Let the rest decide what they believe. The book is only fiction and a lesson to all how not to run a society.

This is a huge pass McCain is getting from the media. Why aren't they mentioning this?

McCain Repeating Keating Era Mistakes, Regulator Warns....

In 1991, McCain railed against raising the FDIC insurance limit from $40,000 to its current $100,000 level. "The perversity of Federal deposit insurance is exemplified by the taxpayer bailout of the savings and loan industry," McCain said, while omitting his own role in the scandal that actually precipitated the S&L crisis.

"I think it is generally acknowledged that the failure of the savings and loan industry, to a large degree, can be directly attributed to the unwarranted expansion of deposit insurance," McCain continued. "Basic coverage was increased from $40,000 to $100,000. No longer was deposit insurance for the small depositor. It became the safety blanket for large, sophisticated depositors and freewheeling bankers."

Now, as McCain echoes Barack Obama's call to raise the FDIC insurance level from $100,000 to $250,000, Black believes the idea that FDIC insurance rates ever caused the S&L crisis can finally be put to rest as being "complete bunk."