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Amygdala: Remembering the North Carolina Eugenics Commission.

Where's the Outrage: Why do we need trillions more for health care?

David E's Fablog: Imagining Obama's meeting with select gay leaders.

Annals of Journalism: Reporter escapes Taliban after seven months… Biased toward management… Callous Neros to the Right, Evil Neros to the Far Right…The Aristocrats – obscene, but not funny… NPR echoes far right on health care… Disappearing the U.S.-backed Iranian coup… Whitewashing the anti-Semitism of Nixon and Billy Graham…Narcissistic like a Fox… Can't get enough of those GOP falsehoods.

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Evet's picture

"I was a personal friend of Micheal Jackson" day in the media.

personified what the country was all about.

Ferrofluid's picture

That is the American dream, child labor and serfdom for the masses.

LazyCosmos's picture

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Ferrofluid's picture

What does it say about how we treat and consider our fellow citizens/residents. We bomb foreign countries back into the stone age, and do similar to forgotten parts of the US via slow economic policies.

Feudal and barbaric.

ron's picture

so we don't have to fight them over here so we can suffer and die from poor health, where is the logic?

constituent's picture

BUSH policy: empire abroad and tyranny at home

Tax the Rich's picture

Yeah, but at least the gagillionaire trust funders and corporations don't have to pay taxes. Small sacrifice don't you think. In fact, according to the GOP, they need another tax cut.


Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.

ron's picture

will cost up tp 3 trillion how much will H/C cost if we have just private insurance? It's going to cost a lot more with less coverage folks. Why can't our media say that? Someone with a calculator that will computee trillions please crunch some numbers.

Ferrofluid's picture

HRC had this as her policy during the primaries.

Buy the expensive HI instead of food/rent/heat or go to jail/camps.

"A state House panel has recommended that the state give $20,000 to victims of the eugenics program"

"But, hey, a marker should make up for it all."

a piss poor effort at compensation for unconstitutional and an unethical inhuman policy.

What price do you put on your children or the states right to deny you to have any... !?

And I believe NC was the last state to legalize interracial marriage in 1970. Who are they (the state) to say which adult can marry which adult !

And any wonder why police shooting/murder of innocent/guilty unarmed citizens is seen as not a problem...

NC was not alone, 24 American states practiced this shite, along with various European countries, including the obvious one.

And is it any wonder why Republicans (and their traditional family values) are considered monsters by rational people.

liberalNmoderation's picture

I never knew that my home state did such terrible shit!

want us the public to forget, they just want us to keep watching Faux and the brain erasing machine in the corner, keep taking the meds/booze and dream our lives away into the grave.

Is it any wonder the state jealously keeps pain medication distribution to itself, thats what the 'war on drugs' is all about, pain compliance to enforce social control.

Tax the Rich's picture

Erasing machine in the corner?

I know its only high noon, but I think we already have today's winner. Nice one!


Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.

liberalNmoderation's picture

made by the same company that makes the "duplicating machines" I betcha!

Ferrofluid's picture

Yes it has some good intelligent programs on it, but few and far between and generally dumbed down to retard level.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

I keep sayin' and sayin' . . To pay for the elites lawn parties, trips to Europe and to ensure the financial perpetuity of their pampered spawn for generations to come.

See it, study it, think about it.

MountainMan23's picture

I did the same math, from a different starting point, and reached the same conclusion.

Remove the insurance companies and there is MORE than enough money for universal single payer health care.

They're whining about $1-1.8 trillion over ten years - but if we save $400 billion a year by eliminating the insurance companies, that is $4 trillion over ten years .. a net saving of $2-3 trillion.


Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

Ferrofluid's picture

and most of the developing world too.

Yes there are private hospitals and HI in Britain/France, but they generally do minor stuff like cosmetic surgery, and queue jumping for minor medical stuff for rich buggers.

Or you pay extra to get a private room in a NHS hospital, basically upgrading the comfort privacy side to hospital.

MountainMan23's picture
oh!

.. and this doesn't even include the hundreds of billions that could be saved every year by reducing the "defense" budget ..


Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

Ferrofluid's picture

World peace and all that hippy garbage...

Think of the resources saved if we had a world court and a true Un peace keeping force, and countries keep their 'defense' spending and tech to true defense levels.

We have more than enough problems keeping our planet in a fit state for human existence, and water food and renewable energy for the future.

And so we have a few more million unemployed, lets reduce the working week down to 20 hours, jobs for everybody (who wants one) then, and more time to enjoy life and family for everybody.

Music art leisure nature sport life, these are the things we should be encouraging and promoting, expanding the worlds culture to greater things.

Why do people waste time working when time could be spent teaching others cool fun things.

'work to live, not live to work'

constituent's picture

of course needing trillions for healthCare reform is a scare strategy. what many don't look at is how much it's going to cost us if we don't do something now. healthCare cost will double again in less than 10 years. i listened last night to the ceo of GE and the night before the ceo of Verizon they both acknowledged we need to do it now if it can be done correctly. this country is in a global transition. if we don't get this figured out we will not be able to compete economically. i do understand but i'm getting really tired of one of the many obstacles. that's the (r) party. i tired of the "take care of them" and "in between you and your doctor" bullshxt. they are so concerned about how the history books will look at obama.

doctor's bill."

Ferrofluid's picture

There isn't a doctors bill.

Regional health authorities (by county/state/district) decide that every 5,000 to 10,000 people need a clinic, or 50,000 people needs a hospital.

They get built and staffed. Its about need and demand, not rationing.

The US has more doctors per head of people than any other country in the world, so doctor nurse shortages should not be a problem.

constituent's picture

actually their fear is change in the system. the system as we know is fragmented, inefficient and expensive. the REAL concern should be in addition to the uninsured is the cost in 5-10 yrs. it will NOT be affordable for individuals and businesses. more uninsured MORE expensive.

Thats how Europe and elsewhere does it.

In 1947 or so Britain converted its health service from a mix of public and private hospitals to a NHS system, its been done before and theres plenty of books and papers written on how to do it. Chaotic and prob a bit painful at the start, but people have an incentive to build a useful system. Pride and serving the community etc. And all those insurance people working in HI have skills they can use in administration in a NHS system.

Not everybody, but all industries go through change, nothing is sacred or sacrosanct for ever. The justice and morals of a NHS system outweigh the slight pain of conversion.

If we could put a man on the moon forty years ago, its not rocket science to put a patient in front of a doctor now.

And we have a choice to make, is it more important to keep the gated life style and profits intact for the five percent, or build a decent equitable society for the one hundred percent !?

Samson-'s picture

The proposed overall fiscal year 2010 Defense Department budget is almost $534 billion, or nearly $664 billion including the costs of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

thus, if things stayed the same (and they never do), and we pretended that there wasn't a large black-op budget not accounted for in this figure, the pentagon's budget, over ten years, would be around $6.5 trillion...

yet, the political establishment balks at providing universal healthcare for everyone that costs a fraction of the bloated pentagon budget. nice priorities. obviously the congress has been bought off, and openly mocks the idea of representative govt.

today's political establishment:
war: no price is too much
health equality: too expensive

MountainMan23's picture
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One big problem we would face if we drastically cut the "defense" budget (which I am 100% in favor of doing) is the enormous impact it would have on the US economy - unemployment would take a major hit.

All that research and production for "defense" MUST be turned into something useful.


Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

constituent's picture

maybe they could put some of their interest in transportation and energy challenges.

Ferrofluid's picture

Heck three eights/tens, and a four day weekend.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

As a jobs program the 'defense' program is the LEAST efficient possible.

All that research and production for "defense" MUST be turned into something useful.

It IS a research system for high tech industry, but indirect. It always has been.

Trickle up and around.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

constituent's picture

good point(s). with the ever growing interconnectedness of countries in the global economy other countries have to step up and bare some of the policing of the world.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Neo-feudalism is the coming thing.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Amitola's picture

and has been for a while. Seems the oligarchs are getting a little smarter with their tactics, while the serfs are getting dumber and then dumber.


"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

The oligarchs are certainly more brazen, as of late.

As for we serfs, we are stuck in the mud.

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Feudal Age of Pensions? here & here

A Canadian bias but they are much like the US in some unfortunate ways.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

misery-making mundane prison like lifestyle or something.

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Some of it political, some not, some adolescent humor.
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