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Open Thread below...
Countdown: Still....Bushed! Jan. 30, 2009
Pastor's Hateful Sermon on Gays and Lesbians Draws Protests in North Carolina
Conflating Moderates With Corporatists and AstroTurfers With Grass Roots
Jon Stewart: Can't We Just Admit a Socialist is Someone Who Wants to Spend Government Money on Sh*t You Don't Like? |
Jon Stewart: Can't We Just Admit a Socialist is Someone Who Wants to Spend Government Money on Sh*t You Don't Like? |
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Conflating Moderates With Corporatists and AstroTurfers With Grass Roots |
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‘Fox and Friends’ Airs 4-minute Anti-Obama Attack Ad |
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SNL Digital Short: Andy Samberg and Pee-wee Herman Get Drunk and Attack Anderson Cooper |
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Pastor's Hateful Sermon on Gays and Lesbians Draws Protests in North Carolina |
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Jon Stewart: Can't We Just Admit a Socialist is Someone Who Wants to Spend Government Money on Sh*t You Don't Like? |
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Church Member Defends NC Pastor: LGBT People 'Worthy of Death' |
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Bill Maher Takes a Shot at the Birthers With Parody on Romney's 'Wiferism' Scandal |
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John Fugelsang: Only in America Can You Be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Torture... and Still Call Yourself Pro-Life |
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Arizona Congressional Candidate 'Pulls a Coffman' |
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Colin Powell Takes Hannity to Task for His Obsession with Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright |
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Jon Stewart: Can't We Just Admit a Socialist is Someone Who Wants to Spend Government Money on Sh*t You Don't Like? |
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CT Mayor Reacts to Arrest of Four Police Officers: 'I Might Have Tacos Tonight' |
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SNL Spoofs Newt Gingrich For His Moon Colony Promise |
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Steve Schmidt: Gingrich Win in Florida Will Lead to Panic and Meltdown of Republican Establishment |
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Stephen Colbert & Jon Stewart - Can I Interest You in Hanukkah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1s5fRGw78
I always giggle at the "We've got candles" "What are they?" "They are candles!!!" part.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
performed at the annual Nobel Peace Prize concert.
His appearance at the annual Nobel Peace Prize concert has been questioned by some Norwegians. They wonder why a singer known for the 2002 pro-war hit "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue" is playing at a peace concert.
Makes sense to me evet. This years theme at the Peace awards is war.
Besides, his hit was based on a just war.
I'm not sure I like the direction it's heading.
We entered Bizarro World about nine years ago.
tourist site being the worlds largest ZOO/CIRCUS.
It could be used an example of what happens to a country when people don't work together and play idiotic left vs right games.
coccooned in a constant corporate cacophony.
Some stuff you can't make up!
This country got as good as it would ever get under JFK, after his assasination it was a steady march downhill with each crappy president. Dubya took us underwater trying to drown government, Obama has us lingering in the crap at the edge of the bottom for now.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
As my brother so eloquently put it:
"California blew its wad ten years ago."
I think its been ten years since he said it.
The USA has changed from "We the people" to I, me, mine, gimme gimme gimme. Eff all that united we stand crap and give me the money!
far left loon >.<
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"if you stay in the $hithouse long enough you no longer smell the stench" perfectly depicts the USA of today.
Aw, c'mon. It's just war!
Yeah, we were totally out of line hitting the Japanese back after Pearl Harbor.
It wasn't a just war for the Japanese to hit Pearl Harbor. Yes, we went back against them, that makes it justifiable for us to go to war against them.
That attack on Pearl Harbor was a heinous act.
However, the U.S. placed an embargo on Japan by prohibiting exports of steel, scrap iron, and aviation fuel to Japan, due to Japan's takeover of northern French Indochina. Then, the U.S., Britain, and the Netherlands froze Japanese assets. This prevented Japan from buying oil, which would, in time, cripple its army and make its navy and air force completely useless.
In November 1941, Japan made a final attempt at peace. The public now knows — thanks to our having broken the Japanese diplomatic code — the contents of Hirohito's in-box. Japan looked for a compromise. The US looked for war. The Japanese ambassadors to the US, Kurusu and Nomura, were treated to a series of American ultimatums that concluded, November 26, with the following order: "The government of Japan will withdraw all military, naval, air and police forces from China and Indo-China" as well as renounce the tripartite Axis agreement. It was then, as Lincoln once said on a nobler occasion, the war came.
On November 29 Germany assured Japan that should they go to war with the US, Germany would join them. In April 1945, Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, in a memorial address at Harvard, praised the late President Roosevelt, "while engaged in this series of complicated moves, he so skillfully conducted affairs as to avoid even the appearance of an act of aggression on our part." There it is.
Who was the provocateur? - United States or Japan
Here.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
World War II was the beginning of modern war for control of resources. It may not have begun that way, but it became very obvious the country that has access to plentiful and cheap resources would dominate the planet. Oil became a primary need for everyone. Much of that war morphed into a war for oil. No oil = lose.
far left loon >.<
Unless this is just a very stupid joke that I am not seeing the punchline to.
I would say the party that bombed the hell out of the other one.
I think the point was, in every fight there is a lead-up, but we focus on the first punch. It's not always that simple.
In conflicts, both sides throw fuel on the fire until it ignites. No event is isolated.
After it's all over, the winners are the good guys and the losers are the bad guys.
(that's what I took from it and I don't plan or arguing about it.)
far left loon >.<
I hate when someone makes a lame attempt at a rebuttal then finishes with with "I don't plan on arguing about it". If one planned on not arguing they would not have made the comment in the first place, instead of having to amend it with a build-in cop out in place for when/if they got called on their nonsense.
Refusal to sell goods and bombing someone are several orders of magnitude from each other. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
"that's what I took from it"
Means it lead me to think and I made my own further comment. I did not argue which is better: bombing or refusal to sell goods, or who was provocateur. I have no opinion on that presently.
far left loon >.<
You sure seem to want to argue about how you are not wrong.
LOL.
So you are merely entertaining the possibility that a boycott is on the same level of a massive sneak attack bombing spree? You do realise that sounds pretty ridiculous, right?
I said nothing of the sort. I don't believe I even mentioned Japan or the United States.
far left loon >.<
Then you might want to let people know you are randomly changing topics.
Again, you sure seem to want to argue about how you are not wrong. Which is again really rather odd since you always threw in a cop-out.
I just went out to the store and came back. I now see what you're talking about. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm not saying moonsha was right. The comment followed yours.
The comment was a general observation about all wars. The main point being: "In conflicts, both sides throw fuel on the fire until it ignites. No event is isolated." But that's often not a popularly accepted view.
far left loon >.<
They should have given Henry Kissinger another Peace Prize...well, just 'cuz.
elected Mayor of Houston.
Go Texas! Go Texas! ;)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
a watershed moment.
all got upstaged by the south, where it ain't supposed to happen.
Some stuff you can't make up!
it stings, hurts, and is bittersweet...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
issue is just another cog used to create divisions between people.
I remember a time not real long ago when no one really gave a sh~t what ones sexual preferences were.
to me, and I can see some real obstacles in life that are a result of views of that orientation. It's not insignificant.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
the MSM has blown it so way out of proportion like everything else we've forgotten we're human beings.
the phobes who are freaked out about it without the help of the MSM. When the gay marriages started here in Kern County, they had this woman, some church lady, interviewed on the news who went on and on about how disgusting gay relationships were. I'll admit even that shocked me.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
U.S. seems to take the let's beat up on someone different then us to new heights or lows we might say on a daily basis.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
it might be disgusting unless she tried it herself? Maybe she wasn't doing it right.
to show her the ropes, if ya get my drift. :P
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
throughout the county as a whole, leading to awkward situations, that same night on the news there was a college classmate I discovered is gay (and was leading the anti-Prop 8 protests), and at the other extreme, an elderly man who people here always think is my relative (we have the same last name), was spewing the defense of marriage crap...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
No, you don't.
You remember a time when it was not a household discussion topic because everyone assumed that everyone was straight, gay people remained in the closet fearful of losing absolutely everything if they stepped out of it, and when homosexual sex was often illegal.
In other words, you remember a time of quiet; a time when the oppression went unspoken, not a time when the oppression was not there.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
but I also came from a culture that was accepting of peoples various trips. And gays aren't the only species that have suffered prosecution in all it's various forms either.
were they being prosecuted for?
Just having long hair at one time was an invitation for trouble in this country.
you're looking for is "persecution" not prosecution.
LOL getting late here.
Actually hair length was part of the whole gay bugaboo.
The longer your hair, the more effeminate you were seen (especially when clean shaven), and effeminate was ipso faco gay.
And of course in the late 60's, almost concurrent with Stonewall was the whole Peacock fashion trend.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
But I think the typo is forgivable. :)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
appreciate that.
Me too. I grew up in a semi-famous northern suburb of Chicago where people celebrated diversity long before it was politically incorrect not to.
And it was a huge shock when we moved to suburban southern California in my teen years. Woe to the openly gay person at my high school. Hell, it was bad enough that my family was Jewish.
Our personal experiences are not enough to judge the general atmosphere . . . certainly not to put blame squarely on the media for closing otherwise open minds.
Ya think? In fact, we're not even a different species at all. ;)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
and have never questioned a persons motive for it.
Live and let live
:<[)
Some stuff you can't make up!
. . LOL
Thankfully
They call themselves a whole nother' country.
East Texas is like the South with a cotton-growing culture. West and South Texas have a lot of irrigated farming, not only cotton, so they're similar to the Midwest. The Panhandle is the Southern Plains and part of Tornado Alley, high altitude and gets snowed in. North Texas includes Fort Worth, where the horrible scene at the Rainbow is still not seeing justice. It's sometimes frustrating, for sure, but it's my birthplace and I didn't come back until my mid-fifties. I'm glad to be here, as somebody's got to lead the way to show how there are all kinds of people. Hooray to the new Mayor in Houston who feels the same way!
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
I know what you're saying, but I don't buy it. One city elected one openly gay mayor one time. I don't mean to belittle the significance of that, for it is indeed quite awesome, but it hardly upstages anything elsewhere.
I mean, other states are on the cutting edge of the gay marriage debates. True, we lose battles in even supposedly progressive areas, but they're still on the cutting edge. That one city in Texas realized (for the moment) that being gay should not disqualify you from holding office doesn't "upstage" places like California or Oregon, where gay and trans folk are elected with far more frequency, just because they failed (for the moment) to equalize marital rights.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
it cannot be downplayed. IT IS HUGE! The location counts big time! This is 'W's backyard. and right next door to the hillbilly hypocrite author of DADT.
One is all it takes to start, or in this case, restart tolerance. SF was how long ago? Dinkens was mayor of NY when? This is milestone history.
saddleback nation was upstaged and homophobia is again being exposed as bigotry in a place where bigots are expected to abound. I'm sorry, Karen. THIS IS HUGE.
Some stuff you can't make up!
I guess my saying,
doesn't quite ring true for you?
I wasn't downplaying anything. I never said it wasn't significant. I said the opposite.
Not quite sure what post you read.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I was browsing these comments.
I'm not sure if this fit's in with the conversation.
But here goes.
This is a little story. Not a big thing really.
I was over at a right wing site. Polipundit.
They were discussing a new candidate for Prez. Someone who might stand a chance. I suggested Crist. The Governor of Floriduh.
You should have seen the responses. Bu,bu,BUT HE'S GAY!!!
I said yeah, so?
This went on and on,back and forth for a little while until I finally said. So You'd discriminate against him because he's gay?
Silence. Thread killer. When they admitted to themselves that they would indeed discriminate against him. They had to admit that they are bigots.
There were no more comments after that. Nada.Zip.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I can't tell you how many people have said things like, "I don't like gays, but you're OK," to me; acquaintances, strangers, family, co-workers.
Each one is a little victory, as we've gone on to be friends and their fears dissolve. Much of the problem is ignorance and spoon-fed propaganda.
I forgive their initial cooment: it's THEIR coming out (of the closet of irrational hatred).
I've "enlightened" scores of people.
far left loon >.<
Screwed like every other city's?
likely!
Some stuff you can't make up!
I'm glad that Alice pointed it out as an important book to read. Some worrisome stuff in it.
And tonight I'll start The Wrecking Crew. Thanks to whoever here (I forget) talked it up here.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Thats what the poll says. The wingnutosphere loves going after MSNBC polls
http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2009/1...
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
In reality, they say we should just ignore any discussion of climate change at all. That is really stupid.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
long enough it will just go away won't it?
usually. *sigh*
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Ignore Carter's advice and just build the worlds largest fleet of Gas Guzzlers. That will teach them Arabs a lesson!
Every time I see Bush in a photo or when he shows up on the tube I become gratefull for Obama and the new administration inspite of the disappointments .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
Me too
I figured I'd disagree with Obama about half the time. That is still 100% more than I agreed with Bush.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzVq2t7bi4
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Hidy ho y'all
I thought of the pluperfect name for our annual winter holiday suitable for all religions and atheism
Mamonas.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I prefer Mammeries.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
would be my cue to go to bed. GNA! ;)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
How do we know you're really going to bed? Is the bed cooling or warming? Goofy wingnuts want to know.
Good night girl.
Expanded Medicare is still a fig leaf. Guns do kill people, particularly cops. Houston has a homophobe problem. Blair's apparently trying to outdo Thatcher. Big business reps believe in global warming. Almost 1,000 protesters got arrested for demanding strong anti-climate change legislation. Catholic Church child abuse, Ireland-style. Barry sort of goes on the offensive against banks. UC Berkeley students don't take kindly to tuition-jacking.
I was on a sports forum and some guy started a thread going off on Obama because he didn't attend this year's Army Navy game...
Someone tell me if every president goes to every Army Navy game. I can't believe that they complain about anything he does, now about something he doesn't do.
"I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —President George W. Bush, at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbus...
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