Not As Hawkish As Bush Is A Low Bar

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Vice President Biden gave a much-anticipated speech at an international security conference in Munich on Saturday. Before an audience of several hundred - including General David Petraeus (seen scribbling notes while the VP spoke), Henry Kissinger, National Security Adviser Jones, French President Sarkozy and German Chancellor Merkel - Biden set out a US foreign policy vision which was both less hardline than the Bush administration's and yet firmly hawkish.

There's much to be glad about in Biden's speech.

To meet the challenges of this new century, defense and diplomacy are necessary. But quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, they are not sufficient. We also need to wield development and democracy, two of the most powerful weapons in our collective arsenals. Poor societies and dysfunctional states, as you know as well as I do, can become breeding grounds for extremism, conflict and disease. Non-democratic nations frustrate the rightful aspirations of their citizens and fuel resentment.

Our administration has set an ambitious goal to increase foreign assistance, to cut extreme poverty in half by 2015, to help eliminate the global educational deficit, and to cancel the debt of the world's poorest countries; to launch a new Green Revolution that produces sustainable supplies of food, and to advance democracy not through the imposition of force from the outside, but by working with moderates in government and civil society to build those institutions that will protect that freedom -- quite frankly, the only thing that will guarantee that freedom.

We also are determined to build a sustainable future for our planet. We are prepared to once again begin to lead by example. America will act aggressively against climate change and in pursuit of energy security with like-minded nations.

But there are some glaringly hawkish moments that reveal America isn't quite as willing to give up acting from its position of possessing overwhelming force as it would like others to be.

Biden called Iran's nuclear program "illicit" and described Iran's aim as "the development of nuclear weapons" depite both the US and the IAEA admitting they have found no evidence that Iran has a current weapons program. If the Iranian weapons program is purely civilian then it is Iran's treaty right as an NPT member to have such a program and only UNSC resolutions which came as a result of deliberate pressure and horse-trading from a Bush administration which wrongly claimed a weapons program as part of that pressure remain as belated and mistaken means to call their program "illicit". Like his president and SecState Clinton - and just about every other major Western politician - Biden ignores the truth to keep the Bush narrative going. But it's a narrative Russia has said it won't sign on to any more.

And Russia is going to have problems with other parts of Biden's speech too.

Mr. Biden also rejected the notion of a Russian sphere of influence and said that Mr. Obama would continue to press NATO to seek “deeper cooperation” with like-minded countries. “We will continue to develop missile defenses to counter a growing Iranian capability, provided the technology is proven and it is cost-effective,” Mr. Biden said.

His wording virtually echoed the stance on missile defense that Mr. Obama took during the presidential campaign, but was notable because Mr. Biden did not announce a strategic review of the issue, which administration officials had considered as a way to defuse tensions between Washington and Moscow.

Although his language was tempered, Mr. Biden also said, “We will not agree with Russia on everything.”

“For example, the United States will not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states. We will not — will not — recognize any nation having a sphere of influence. It will remain our view that sovereign states have the right to make their own decisions and choose their own alliances.”

So the neocons get some of their way - the dangerously destabilizing doctrine of unilateral missile defense, which is clearly aimed at Russia, will continue, although now it will have to actually jump through some real hoops on costs and performance. As to Georgia's breakaway regions - I wonder if it would be worth pointing out that arguably by the same logic Texas should be part of Mexico, Hawaii independent and decades of US meddling in its Latin American backyard entirely illegal. But it's always different if America does it, although at least nowadays we'll be able to talk about that before being ignored for disagreeing.

Still, Biden is correct that there's a lot Russia and the US could co-operate upon.

Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about the rising threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Today, NATO and Russia can, and should, cooperate to defeat this common enemy. We can and should cooperate to secure loose nuclear weapons and materials to prevent their spread, to renew the verification procedures in the START Treaty, and then go beyond existing treaties to negotiate deeper cuts in both our arsenals. The United States and Russia have a special obligation to lead the international effort to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in the world.

The Bush administration's war-lovers dragged their feet on all of those, though, and if the Obama administration is also to be so ungiving on matters that matter most to Russia then surely the Russians can be forgiven if they borrow from Reagan's playbook and "trust but verify". Undoubtably, America won't see it that way.

Biden promised that the Obama administration would always reach for diplomacy and international agreements first and the importance of that change cannot be downplayed. "We'll work in a partnership whenever we can, and alone only when we must," he said. It's a sharp contrast the what Russian parliamentarian Konstantin Kosachev described as President Bush’s approach “that everything is already predecided, everything is clear and should be done the way the American administration thinks about it.” But Biden also made it clear in that one sentence that if America cannot get its own way in international forums or cannot forge a coalition of the willing on US policy then America will go its own way and act unilaterally (presumably with no UNSC resolutions in sight).

In other words, it's still "my way or the highway", but the Obama administration has at least tacked on "let's talk first" before imposing America's will as biggest bully on the block. Nowhere is this clearer than on Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Biden called in respectful enough tones for more committment from America's NATO allies. Yet it will have escaped none of those NATO allies that they're being expected to commit to a US plan, after US review, rather than a fully-integrated and agreed NATO one - even though some NATO allies have legitimate misgivings about America's plans and actions in the region. Sure, America will listen to its allies - but the decision on what to do next will remain an American one and allies are expected to commit to it whether they fully agree or not.

That's arrogance America rightly wouldn't tolerate from any other nation but expects the rest of the world to want to see as America being reasonable. America as a nation seems incapable of seeing the cognitive disconnect there, perhaps because it has been so often told that it is the sole true light of "freedom" in the world - just as Britons once were during their age of Empire. The implicit exceptionalist assumption is that America is free to impose purely because of its Manifest Destiny to be that Light. Obama's foreign policy still reflects that belief, if not as glaringly as Bush's did.

Crossposted from Newshoggers



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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

This is a new era. This isn't Darth Chaney this is Amtrak Joe. We can ignore anything the puppet has to say.

The fervent hope is that liberals [as well as other Americans] will finally wake up to the fact that the Obama administration is, as Cernig's post correctly points out, just as hawkish as that of Bush and his cronies. As Richard Seymour [who runs the blog over at Lenin's Tomb] points out in his well written book The Liberal Defence of Murder, liberals throughout the years in many countries, but particularly in England and now even more so in the United States, have not been at all hesitant in sending soldiers into third world countries as well as dropping bombs on civilians in those third world nations to justify their militant and imperialistic aims.

Dennis Perrin also drives the same point home in somewhat more accessible terms in his book Savage Mules while Lance Selfa makes the persuasive argument that there is very little substantive difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in his book The Democrats: A Critical History.

Yep, sure seems that way, doesn't it, Erroll.

Depressing.

To be added to Panetta's we won't prosecute those doing or complicit in doing torture. One should always be cautious beliving an accomplished political speaker.

Back in Nov.2006 Harper's Magazine published an article by Ken Silverstein, Barak Obama Inc., The birth of a Washington machine.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

It's funny that in 2006, Harpers considered Obama a potential VP candidate, which might even prove my take on the Harpers piece: America should remember to keep on electing novices. That way they couldn't have built up years of influence or connections, and, far less corrupt.

What?

You don't get that all warm and fuzzy feeling when a member of Obama's team gives a speech before Henry Kissinger and his acolytes?

Council on Foreign Relations
Trilateral Commission
Bilderberg invitees
and throw in the occasion Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, etc, etc. et al.

all vetted by the elites, and most definitely not working in the best interest of the United States, or YOU.

Ever.

Is this just posturing reassure EU allies, it's from Biden, not Obama.
Who gives the message is as telling as to what the message is.

And can the same level of Pentagon spending be sustained?

The Bush administration has left Obama kneecapped financially with the huge drain of military spending and the interest on the debt.
Maybe more tax cuts will solve the problem. Yeah

Biden needs to be reminded that Petreaus, Mullen and Gates do not represent America's best interests.

...is way to poor to continue to do ANY of that global/imperialist shit that Biden wants.

Change...(in times like these) ...that doesn't include any military or foreign aid budget cuts...is impossible! ? (isnt it?)

To continue the "we are the global superpower" mantra with the economy is in a freefall, is suicidal.

it's Standard Operating Procedure.

And here's a thought: Wanna cut $50.5 billion from the 2009 budget? Get rid of the Department of Fascism, AKA The Dept of Fatherland Homeland Security. Those employees can be deployed to other federal jobs, and we can all rest easier, knowing that one of the most useless POS drama queen reactionary departments has been put out of our misery.

And STFU with all the 'Scary Iran' bullshit. It's not true, and the administration is in the position to know it.

quit being a hyperbolic arsehole, biden.

If Obama/Biden is going to continue mass marketing the Iranian nuclear bomb scarenario, as well as the fraudulently based War on Terror,

WHAT ELSE WILL HE LIE ABOUT????

Heck, Miss Kitty, the new Stimulating Bill includes a brand spankin' new building for this Dept, including state of the art furnishings!!

It would be great symbolism if Obama were to axe the Dept. of Homeland Security.

David Sirota here.

Kleptocrats and war mongers rejoice.

Not As Hawkish As Bush Is A Low Bar -- very low, kind of like, "You don't smell as bad a shit does."

Thanks Miss Kitty, for another good chuckle.

When he said he was going to do things that you might not agree with I thought he was talking to the big boys.

He was warning us.

Never again. Never going to believe another lying, stinking s.o.b. politician, ever.

Now the elite, of various branches, have just the untainted man to push through their agenda in ways that Bush, openly reviled, could never have done in the eyes of the public.

Just look at all the people around him. If you surround yourself with crooks and professional liars,

you think something different than the status quo is on the agenda? Oh sure, you might get a few placating victories or retreats, but they, the elite, were willing to give you those in order to keep pushing on in their agendas. They will just take it back at some point in the future.

...but at the same time comforting that Obama duped progressives into thinking he'd perpetrate their naive idealism on the international stage. Anybody who bets on Iran having purely peaceful intentions with their nuclear energy program doesn't understand realpolitik nor the Iranian Regime. They'd be throwing ten touchdowns at once by committing to a weaponization of their peaceful program, which would take little time to complete. It's called self-help. By weaponizing their nuclear energy program, they'd guarantee no more U.S. meddling in their sovereignty and it would encourage their hegemonic interests for other Shi'a and Islamist organizations operating in the Middle East.

But that's not what this is about. This blog and all the people who post here aren't interested in dealing with Iran peacefully. This blog is a propaganda organ for a bankrupt ideology called progressivism that clings on to some salient truths, but hides behind them a bevy of naive conceits that ring true to overly emotional commoners poorly informed and easily swayed.

Someone sure is full of themself tonight. Sheesh, hang out with Billo much?

McCain lost and he can't get points for prizes by trolling on liberal blogs anymore.

Right, baselessly dismiss me as a conservative to deflect the obvious point that you're betting all your money on a horse with three legs: the idea that Iran's nuclear program is 100% peaceful because of the National Intelligence Estimate. The NIE said plainly that the Iranians dropped their ambitions for the bomb some years ago, but what it didn't say was that it'd be a meager effort for them to weaponize their technology, once they have it. It also didn't say that they would absolutely do it as a rational state actor immediately if they felt like it. The difference between feeling like it and not feeling like it is not something I'd want to gamble on, but as somebody who clings to ideology you're braver than most in that regard.

Here's a token hint, friend: abandon progressivism, abandon ideology, think for yourself, hell think for somebody else, but just think and don't unthinkingly assume Iran wouldn't build a bomb if it had the technology and felt like it. I refuse to let people blather in demagoguery to the people saying there is no harm where there potentially is.

That you think Iran is still seeking nukes after IAEA investigations have found no proof of such tells me more about what you'd do than what Iran is doing.

"I would build nukes and I believe Iran is just like me".

That puts the truth conditions of your claim into the proper perspective.

Over the years, more nations have mastered the technology and chosen not to build nukes than have chosen to build them. But you go right ahead and advocate a course that ends with slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians based on nothing but your own beliefs, no evidence required. I'm sure you'll feel better.

Yes, many countries have built peaceful nuclear installations. None who have pursued nuclear technology without the protection of American or Soviet hegemony have not weaponized eventually.

"But you go right ahead and advocate a course that ends with slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians based on nothing but your own beliefs, no evidence required. I'm sure you'll feel better."

I'm not advocating anything. You've jumped to the conclusion that I'm conservative and I'm a hawk because I'm critiquing you ("surely anybody who finds my unfounded assertions to be incorrect HAS to be some silly neo-conservative freeper!"). My critique has been limited solely to your naivete vis a vis Iran. A cursory glance at an encyclopedia entry on the IR school of Realism, as well as a brief rundown on the history of the Islamic republic would drastically shift your assumptions on what Iran would and wouldn't do once it harnessed nuclear energy.

You're using the IAEA and the NIE as crutches to promote pacifism. I don't have a problem with pacifism, I have a problem with your crutches and your inability to question your assumptions merely because you're afraid conservatives will use it against you. You're afraid of that because you buy into the false dichotomy between Fox News's liberals and conservatives. Again, I implore you to give up this silly progressivism. Politics isn't about ideology or emotions (your sad attempt to appeal to my morality by mentioning the slaughter of innocents was laughable), it's about snakes compromising in world capitals, it's about using naive but well-meaning people like yourself to spout demagoguery that's useful to snakes regardless of their country or affiliation. Politics is about screwing people over, and you're being screwed by yourself for not waking up to the fact that the people who lead Iran are just as big of snakes as those in Washington. It's distance, you aren't bombarded by the idiocy and vileness of Teheran because you aren't under their wrath. Let me assure you, they're just as dumb and mean and power hungry as Bush of Cheney.

Our job isn't to buy into their games, our job is to distance ourselves from both Washington and Teheran, liberal and conservative. They're all just meaningless identities and names masking insidious beasts.

You're the one making assumptions, and condescending ones at that, about my attitude towards Iran. Yet I've posted at Newshoggers on the arrest of bloggers, on gay rights and on the reform movement there. I don't trust Iranian politicians any more than any other kind.

Nor am I a pacifist.

However I believe being in touch with reality needs to include empirical evidence for claims - and claims of a current Iranian weapons program are bereft of evidence. Occam's Razor suggests, therefore, that there's a simple explanation for that - there isn't one. Show me some real evidence, I'll happily re-evaluate.

But I don't mean false and glib statements like "None who have pursued nuclear technology without the protection of American or Soviet hegemony have not weaponized eventually." Argentina, Brazil, Australia, the Netherlands and a string of other nations have the ability and have given up weapons programs. South Africa even did so after building their bombs.

By the way - if you truly believe Iran is seeking a weapon but you are "not advocating anything", not any kind of response or idea for reaction, then get out of the kitchen. You can't stand the heat other than to snipe from the servery hatch.

Regards, C

You want me to recognize that Bush Cheney are as bad as Ahmadinejad? I have no problem with that, but I don't believe they should be the ones ruling the world. I actually believe that a significant majority of people are good and decent and just want a little peace and quiet, and these people should be running the world. The problem is people like you who just want to add to the problem.

when the IAEA has been saying the same. All along.

So having confirming info from a credible agency is not as good to you as unsubstantiated propaganda started and maintained by CheneyBushCo, and apparently Joe Biden as well.

And your dismissal by posters on the site, based on the content of your 2 posts -- not baseless at all, and much kinder than my assessment of you and your motives.

And since you brought it up, We do think for ourselves here. You Epikurus, are a projector, and should heed your own counsel.

On Edit. I see instead of starting a new post, you added a huge chunk starting out at "You're using the IAEA and the NIE as crutches to promote pacifism."

Let's establish you made no mention of the IAEA until after Cernig and I replied.

And hey, you say "You're using the IAEA and the NIE as crutches to promote pacifism" as if promoting pacifism is a bad thing.
You're using the myth, the bald-faced propaganda of a thoroughly shamed and discredited Cheney Bush administration of an Iranian nuke as a crutch to promote the murder of 100,000s of thousands more people over Middle East strife.

Self professed 'Christian' are you? So called 'prolifer' but for the death penalty. I'll just bet you are.

The IAEA confidently estimates it would take Iran two years to build a functioning nuke from the moment they decide to cut the seals at Nanantz. A year to turn the leu into heu and another year to prove, test, re-scale and mate a weapon to an Iranian missile - none of which are capable of lofting such a weight as far as Europe. let alone the US.

That's if Iran ever decides to break the seals - two years to decide a course of action.

Anything else is just fearmongering and war hype.

Regards, C

I suspect that even if Iran were to build one [1] nuclear weapon [even though all the evidence suggests, as you say, that they are not intent upon doing that], it should be strongly pointed out that that one nuclear weapons would be dwarfed by Israel's 200 to 300 nuclear arsenal, something which the Obama administration conveniently neglects to address.

to address an envelope, much less the clusterfuck in the middle east. Don't hang this solely on him.

It's been going on since Israel was created, and every admin is guilty of coddling Israel from its inception, at the cost of peace in the Middle East.

If this is the path the Obama Admin chooses, he's wrong too. Our lawmakers need to stop listening to two self-serving nationalist groups, Zionists and Cuban exiles. They're a very tiny minority, and they're majorly fucking up the program for people whose numbers are much greater than theirs.

Miss Kitty says not to "hang this solely on him." It should be pointed out that in his inaugural speech Obama never condemned Israel for the atrocities that they have inflicted upon the citizens of Gaza. It is also extremely doubtful if Obama will change his attitude toward Israel while employing a Chief of Staff whose name is Rahm [middle name-Israel] Emanuel.

and as a Nader voter, I know exactly where this guy has been standing on Israel/Gaza and the Middle East.

Which was why, among many other reasons, I voted for Nader. I have also mentioned several times on this blog, how I dislike Rahm, and would like to see him gone, post haste and immediately. One of the job duties of COS is to 'Protect the interests of the President,' which he failed to do in the first two weeks of the job. He did the admin no favours by getting all those tax dodgers lined up to be knocked down, and he hates Howard Dean. Emmanuel needs to be stopped.

But if you'll remember how Carter was vilified for not following the DC way, and how he was set up and fucked right out of office for it, I'd like to see if Obama plays a little go along to get along, until he is established. He hasn't been in office for 3 weeks yet, and I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect him to go into a FUBAR situation and snap his fingers and fix it.

While I did not vote for the guy, I really do want him to be successful. Because if he isn't, we're ALL fucked.

Miss Kitty

With all due respect, I do not share your, to use one of Obama's favorite words, hope that Obama will get better as time goes by. He has already ordered drone missiles into Afghanistan and Pakistan where, as a result, dozens of innocent civilians have been murdered and torn apart because faulty U.S. intelligence claimed those people, among them women and children, were supposed to be terrorists. Firing upon those countries and upon citizens who never threatened anyone in these United States should be considered war crimes and crimes against humanity and as such should be ample reason why Obama should stand in the dock as a war criminal next to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of those heartless warmongers.

OK

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They send their emissary from on high, Epikurus.

Epicurus, I suspect, would not be sanguine about Epikurus.

…This blog is a propaganda organ for a bankrupt ideology called progressivism that clings on to some salient truths, but hides behind them a bevy of naive conceits that ring true to overly emotional commoners poorly informed and easily swayed.


…a bevy of naive conceits that ring true to overly emotional commoners poorly informed and easily swayed.

A 'commoner' I am but I bow to no one.

Kings, Bishops and emissaries from the gods can kiss my ass before I will kiss their rings.

And 'poorly informed', I study incessantly so I am as well informed as I am able to be.

'Easily swayed' - there I have you.

What you describe fits perfectly the poor duped nits of the right wing.

Go preach to your choir.

And furthermore, don't call me a progressive, I am a Socialist.

…This blog is a propaganda organ for a bankrupt ideology called progressivism that clings on to some salient truths, but hides behind them a bevy of naive conceits that ring true to overly emotional commoners poorly informed and easily swayed.

Congratulations! Someone just got a new thesaurus!

BTW I am stunned at the number of C&L haters take the time to post here. I would never dream of wasting time posting on a site that reviles me. I don't know why these creeps do.

"Think for yourself," my Aunt Fanny.

We should start a 'Pseuds Corner' like my fave British organ, Private Eye has.

Epifuckwit could be frist...

"And furthermore, don't call me a progressive, I am a Socialist."

A democratic socialist me. And when I vote, I vote Scottish National Party.

As for the rest: very well said, Alice.

Warmest Regards, C

Maybe the spirit of his grandmother will appear in his dreams to guide him through this pit of vipers called Washington, D.C.

bidens number 2 douchbag!

i saw this day comeing long before the day dreamers did , been vilified for saying it these dickwads are all part the same nazi party a bunch of warmongering mutha fluckers! at least you never heard me slup on these murdering mutts tools!

... is that there was a 6000 strong protest through the center of Munich against this war conference. Like there was every year since 2002 or so. No serious incidents this year, despite massive police presence. Official page here: http://sicherheitskonferenz.de/de/Erkl%C3%A4r... (only German, GIYF)

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He needs to understand that when he endorses US military imperialism, we his only backers do not support him. He needs to be chastened for buying into the Bush wars and the militaristic hegemony over US foreign and domestic policy. I read today that Crocker is still Ambassador to Iraq. It's so embarrassing that Obama has not removed all Bushies and so much more, but, the Left needs to let Biden know it ain't okay. I think even Obama is catching on to the treason being conducted by Petreaus, Mullen, Gates, Odierno and quite likely many other active duty servicemen.

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