Beck: Health-care reform will affect America like the bombing of Pearl Harbor
Glenn Beck continued his eliminationist attacks on progressives yesterday with a novel and absurd comparison:
Beck: History will equate this as, as big as the New Deal or Pearl Harbor. And if you think that's overstating the importance, remember we are talking about one-sixth of the U.S. economy.
As he was talking, the screen behind him showed the bombs falling on ships at Pearl Harbor and smoke billowing up in their aftermath.
Of course, Beck has also compared HCR to the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, providing health-care insurance for millions of uninsured Americans is just like horrific and violent attacks that leave thousands of Americans dead.
The point, of course, is that the "progressives" pushing health-care reform are the "enemy within" intent on destroying America.
The rest of the rant was dedicated to exploring this in detail. He dismissed the CBO report that the health-care reform bill would result in a $130 billion deficit reduction in its first ten years by sniffing: "Well, that's a party in my pants!" -- because, according to Beck, it's just a "transition" to making health care a right, "just like FDR" intended. This notion is now being promoted, he said, by Cass Sunstein, who he pronounced "the most evil man, the most dangerous man in America."
You see, it's not deficit reduction that matters -- it's the loss freeeeedom! that HCR represents. HCR, according to Beck, is "slavery" and "oppression":
Beck: I promise you America -- oppression is one promise our government will keep.
Because, of course, decent health care is just so oppressive. Not to mention that it's like bombing thousands of Americans to death.
Obviously, there's no one left among the brass at Fox capable of keeping some kind of rational perspective in their broadcasts at all.
He means it will bring us together to fight against right wing authoritarians like those at FOX who are reminiscent of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany? Well bring it on then! Give us that good old fashioned health care for all!
Maybe he's saying it'll mark the moment when (according to the right-wingers who refuse to give ANY credit to FDR's New Deal or Obama's Stimulus) just like during WWII, the country will finally start to pull itself out of the great recession.
glenn beck will affect the country as if a giant toilet over flowed
he's the giant turd that has caused said toilet to be stopped up...
Actually, Beck thinks he's hot shit in a champagne flute, but he's just a cold turd in a Dixie cup.
The little dick cheney pissed on the shrub.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Pearl harbor resulted in about 2,400 American deaths. According to various estimates, lack of health insurance kills about 45,000 Americans a year. As Obamacare, by design, does nothing significant until 2014, the intended result is that about 180,000 people will die as a direct result of adopting this plan.
Genn Beck is off by quite a bit.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Well that's not quite a "direct result" since the same number would die by not adopting the plan.
would be implemented immediately so the numbers would decline over time.
and failing to adopt the plan would kill how many in the next 4 years?
Except meaningful health care reform will have been delayed for at least half a decade while we "see how this works out."
But as long as Democrats can claim a victory . . . .
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The president plan take place immediately for the most part,
IN FACT IT IS ON LINE LOOK IT UP IF YOU CAN READ.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/19...
Page on through; it's interactive :) Capitalization is only used where grammatically appropriate, but I'm sure you'll manage.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
off the wagon. He has a live audience? Not that loud of an applause at the end was there?
He speaks for all the Reslug wing-nuts out there that are seriously polluting and poisoning the gene pool.
For Roger Ailes and Beck their own personal bottom line is all that counts.
Health care and Education a right!
God forbid!
Social Justice!
It's against Jesus!
And no body knows jesus better than Glen Bat-shit Crazy Beck
THATS GREAT, LOL
We want this bill to pass NOT because it is good legislation, NOT because it makes real reforms, NOT because it fulfills the promises of a new administration, BUT BECAUSE IT WILL BE A POLITICAL WIN FOR A PARTY ONLY SLIGHTLY LESS CORRUPT than the Republicans and that it will SAVE the political lives of incumbent Democrats.
shit!
Is that all you have? Profanity?
Beck is a disease, but Washington is a PANDEMIC!
This bill is not a vaccine, it is an amputation.
Yep.
I think this bill is more akin to a bandaid that's being used to treat a severed arm. Those who argue that it's a start and it makes things better are correct, but it hardly goes far enough.
I found this quote from Benjamin D'Israeli...
The most dangerous strategy is to jump a chasm in two leaps.
with the health insurance companies involved and the politicians in charge. The only true solution is the one every other civilized country has found....a single payer with no political involvement. For some reason this country is unable to go there.
For some reason?!?
As long as the Corporate Megalomaniacs--who are making billions in salaries and bonuses--have direct control over our politicians--who are making tons of money by being in bed with said Corporate Megalomaniacs--and continue to use their bought and paid for media pundits to manipulate the overwhelmingly undereducated and often illiterate general population--who have been trained to unstintingly support capitalism as humankind's penultimate economic behavior--we will have these ridiculous and ineffective legislative pas de deux.
Bravo! It's also tempting to want it to pass just to see if Becky's head explodes. But that's just selfish.
It's worth passing just on the off chance that Rush will follow through on his threat to flee the country.
Do not feed.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
What did I say that was untrue?
is a year from now, nothing's going to be all that different, and the right wing will be bitching about how ineffective the legislation was.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
That damn government. Who do they think they are making being healthy affordable? Especially for all them... ya know..differn't types. Next thing ya know they'll be a checkin' our food to make sure it's fit to be et.
But I sure would like to see a torpedo shot up Beck's ass.
Inappropriate.
Chuckles.
Very appropriate.
Ideal, actually.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Why do you hate torpedoes?
LEAVE TORPEDOES ALONE!!!
Instead of a poor innocent torpedo, how about Newt Gingrich?
they'd both probably enjoy that...
Why do liberals take this retard Glenn Beck seriously? He does the paranoid, stupid routine because it brings in ratings. His writers are paid to come up with this absurd stuff. It's an act, quit spreading his popularity.
Two answers...
1. This site is about exposing the crooks and liars that use mainstream media to commit their crimes.
2. He should be taken seriously. He is a danger to our country and to the personal safety of MANY people.
P.S. He is not a retard. Besides being an ugly word, it doesn't describe Beck. Read Beck's bio. His mom committed suicide when he was 13. Can you imagine that sort of loss? He didn't get the help he needed then or now. He is acting out his own self hatred and self destructive tendencies. His hatred is sparking and sustaining more and more hatred, like embers of a slow burning fire being fanned and stoked.
He is a loaded gun...believe it.
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thesaurus.
Intelligence impaired.
As we can define it, it means II by choice.
Funny thing is doctors initially thought I was retarded.
They didn't know where my head was at.
Then they figured out I'm right brained.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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Beck is most certainly not one of the dread "intellectual elite" that Limbaugh uses to scare Dittoheads.
(BTW, 'Dittoheads' is politically correct because that's what they proudly call themselves.)
You're retarded.
This is how it started.
We don't take him seriously but we worry about those who do. He is talking to people who actually believe everything he says and a lot of them like to collect guns and ammo. He uses inflammatory words that they take to mean more than they should. He is stirring the pot of those who are most likely on the verge of some sort of insanity.
Tonight he was talking to Michelle Bachmann. They were talking about all the different groups that are protesting in DC tomorrow. Beck was feinging concern that with so many groups in attendance there he hoped there would be no problems. His concern didn't strike me as too sincere.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Obviously, there's no one left among the brass at Fox capable of keeping some kind of rational perspective in their broadcasts at all.
Nobody ever got to raise their advertising rates because somebody at the network managed to keep "perspective".
Ratings, baby: it's all that matters.
I guess nobody's ever taken the time to explain to these fools that healthcare wouldn't BE one sixth of the economy, if there were effective cost, fraud, and waste controls in place.
It's truly frightening to me to watch people argue, conflate, spit, curse and scream defending corporations who would, if given an opportunity, sell them up the river in the blink of an eye.
It's freaky.
teh stupid is truly contagious (and tends to spread in our broken educational institutions).
It's not as if the money that currently goes to a handful of INSURANCE companies, making up a sixth of our economy, would suddenly disappear and we'd be left with 84% of our economy. That money would then be spread wider and further HELPING our economy!
So the republicans removed the plan to repeal the "insurance anti-trust exemption"...what a sneak attack. It's like Pearl Harbor getting attacked all over again. Attacked by the republican party. Beck wants America attacked again and he supports the "anti-trust exemption" for the insurance industry. He is criminal. This had to be another sneak attack by the enemy of America, just like the Japs in the original sneak attack. Arrest Beck....immediately! When did the republicans attack the "anti-trust exemption"? The republicans are out to kill America..."drown 'em like a baby in the bathtub."...Fox news and it's Saudi Arabian owner needs to go....NOW!
Really,Japs?
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
not good.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Beck has modeled himself after the character of Howard Beale from 'Network', the news anchor who went insane and turned into some kind of on air prophet.....
I just can't believe Beck buys the shit he's shoveling- it's as fake as his crocodile tears.
The people who believe his ultra right wing propaganda tend to be middle aged white fundamentalist Christian men, who lack any college education.
On of these days, he will cross that line where he drops all euphemisms, and will encourage violence- and only then will he be stopped..
said. NOT. What a fuc*ing idiot.
Glenn Beck is equating universal healthcare with Soviet and China-style oppression. Huh? I've lived with Canadian Medicare for most of my 50 years, and I haven't noticed political oppression being any worse here than it is in the U.S.
And like the things health insurance companies do aren't oppressive? I saw Sicko and I've read plenty of H.M.O. horror stories on line. Americans deserve better.
Americans are the most saavy consumers in the world. They don't tolerate shoddy products and service from retail stores, car dealers or auto repair shops. I'm amazed that you folks have put up with your crappy health care system for as long as you have.
My favorite quotation is from one of those evil Canadian socialists who was a Member of Parliament during the 1930s: "What we desire for ourselves, we wish for all." Best wishes to you all in your fight.
But thank you for your best wishes.
I thought according to them WWII is what brought us out of the Depression, not FDR's social programs.
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Veterans recieve 'socialist' taxpayer funded health care- Does Beck feel vets should 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' and buy their own insurance?
Strange how Republicans claim to love the military, but so few of them serve...
The insane control the airways and are helping the rich kill everyone else. I am ashamed of what America has turned into these past thirty years, but more so the last 9. The bush/chenny cabal robbed and killed millions and idiots like beck, hannity, limpballs, fox just drive the insanity over the top. God damn America.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! They have killed the economy and ruined the lives of millions around the world
Has anyone taken serious notice of the observation that there are two distinct "mindsets"- for lack of a better characterization? One, rational, logical- committed to enriching the lives of Americans. And another that is irrational, illogical and simply not based in any kind of reality. Seriously! They are polar opposites of how human beings operate.
It leaves you shaking your head in disbelief and confusion. Their rants and arguments aren't based on what is real and fact. It is so pronounced in lacking any common sense that most of the diatribe can not be countered in a rational or normal discourse. They almost seem "Alien" in the methods they employ.
Personally, I have long thought it would be a prudent action to take some of these "people" out back and crack 'em open to see what's really in there. I know this sounds all 'tongue-in-cheek', but I couldn't be more serious.
sunglasses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8Zdjw87Yw
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This world is far, far, far stranger and more mysterious than most people could EVER realize. It is.
Ain't it great?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhV3fkB2eUM&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18GBiJhI4Jw&fe...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01GRuQ3MWnw
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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There is a great line in that film- In think Rowdy roddy spotted an alien putting on perfume, and said:
'lady, thats like putting perfume on a pig'.
Thats my take on the Republicans anytime they propose anything that even has the appearance of being positive.
I've ever seen, and it was a blast.
Please consider reading Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays" for a decent analysis of the genesis of the pseudo-conservatives currently infecting our nation.
".....The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional). "
Yes indeed.
I hope everyone saw The Daily Show last night. For the first 15 minutes of the show Jon did a dead on spoof of Beck and his show. It was truly laugh out loud funny, I know because watching it this morning at 9am, I laughed out loud. I don't do much of that, that early in the day.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
9am is a little early for those martinis that lubricate the laughing glands.
Yeah, 9 is more like coffee hour. Happy hour begins in the next few minutes when my husband comes home from the lab. I should be laughing at just about anything within the next few hours. :)
TGIF!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Steven had on his shows 'chaplin' on,made beck out the fool.loved it.as i type this there is one more repeat,i'm watching again.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-vw1tKtgTE&fe...
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Once upon a time there were moderate Republicans, but most have been driven out of their party by the far right anti-intellectual 'end of timers'.
What do moderate Republicans think of Glen Beck, and FOX?
I wonder if Conservative intellectual William Buckley would have been a fan...
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Which makes me wonder if they thought the same of his father....
Jesus, how far to the right does Beck want to go?
As right as it takes.
Preferably off-the-scale right.
"Moderate Republicans" have the same dilemma that traditional democrats find themselves in. Their current respective party no longer resembles the originals. It is becoming increasingly difficult to identify with the two predominant parties because of the fragmentation that has torn both apart.
We are in this mess in part because we have only two parties.
Moderate Republicans certainly need their own splinter party, as do Liberal Democrats
I'd like a Democratic party where Democrats aren't ashamed to call themselves liberal
The fact that people are indeed "ashamed" to call themselves "liberal" is a perfect example of 'evil' winning that particular battle. You gotta be on your toes. You gotta keep your eyes and mind wide open. Some of this stuff is expertly executed, and they have 'help.'
I have noticed that the term 'progressive' seems to have replaced the word 'liberal'. It irks me when liberals call themselves progressives- are they ashamed of the word liberal? The right would have us feel shame using the word 'liberal'.
"liberal," and now they have to do the same to "progressive." Why do they get to define those words and concepts? Progressive means advancing humanity and civilization. Right? Notice how they don't really call themselves anything? That's so it cannot be defined and sum them up.
progressives are generally anti-corporatists.
I am not a liberal, I am a progressive. I also call myself a "democratic socialist".
I don't like liberals... the current health care bill which gives insurance companies 30 million new customers is a typical "liberal" solution. All those democrats who supported the Iraq war? I call them liberals too... comfortable with American imperialism. President Johnson... great American liberal, and, let's be frank, genocidal maniac, responsible for the deaths of untold thousands of innocent men women and children.
Liberalism... feh. I welcome the support of liberals for progressive positions, and recognize them as allies against far worse people and positions on the right, but I disdain the liberal label and what it amounts to in policy terms.
Obama? He's a liberal too... and he's entrenching the for profit insurance system ever deeper in our economy and lives. That is a terrible price to pay for the valuable reforms that accompany the bill. It's the kind of outcome you get when you start from a compromised position, from "liberalism."
when it just meant wanting pot legalized. This is what happens when you let your enemies define things for you, and this is exactly why C&L is important. Even if some topics seem silly to some people, humor is a great way to make a point, even if the humor takes some time to sink in. Oh, yeah. Ridicule is a form of humor.
Where the hell did you get the absurd notion that liberals are corporatist? Not from me, and I'm a genuine New Deal liberal. I see the urgency to reign in the power of corporations, which has gotten totally out of control. I believe my government should protect us from outside enemies while nurturing a strong and healthy society from within. That includes socialized medicine...you know, the same kind that all the Republican senators and representatives have.
Maybe you've been talking to Blue Dogs, who claim to be socially liberal but business friendly. Blue Dogs are fake Democrats. They sell their votes to corporations.
If anything, my impression of people that call themselves "progressives" is people that are afraid of the Republican demonization of the word "liberal" and so have found a new label, along with a chickenshit attitude a lot like the Democrats we see right now in congress.
Also, I am suspicious of the motives of some "progressives." Some of them seem to be little more than Blue Dog corporatists, and as such are not to be trusted. If I see a politician proudly declare herself a liberal, I will vote for that person every time over a self-described "progressive."
It is past time that liberals made a very public comeback. Time to start wearing t-shirts that say "LIBERAL" in nice, big letters. A liberal is a brave person that is not afraid to call Glenn Beck a lying corporatist pimp. The demented nonsense spewing from Rupert's flying monkey network and the MSM does not fool a liberal, for we have won the war on terror. Quit being so fucking fearful.
I remember being called an anti-american'Pinko Commie Coward Fuck' protesting the Viet Nam War.I considered myself a Liberal.Still do.Now to find a tee shirt with 'Liberal'if not 'Proud Liberal' on it. In x-large,man my wife's a good cook.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
These have ALL been excellently presented arguments. I have enjoyed reading them. Just excellent.
The word just isn't used that way. And I'm certainly not responding to republican demonization of "liberals".
My opposition to "liberals" is from the left, not the right.
See also: Phil Ochs, "Love me, I'm a liberal"
Today the President was giving a speech about the bill and he was going through what the bill would do and not do. He was in fine speech giving form and the audience was "fired up and ready to go". Fox decided they had shown enough of the speech and switched it off in order to cover Boehner saying the same stuff he's been saying for a year.
I think fox fears their audience might actually listen to the President and realize he is not a Kenyan, marxist communist.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
they will drop the bomb on fox. BOOM!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! They have killed the economy and ruined the lives of millions around the world
republicanism/conservatism as a mental illness might just be covered by Obamacare, and they fear, above all other things, that a cure might be found.
When Beck was talking about Pearl Harbor and 9-11 yesterday he said after both of those events "everything changed". After Pearl Harbor the US went to war and after 9-11 the US went to war. I guess he is thinking if the healthcare bill passes there is going to be another war. Is he suggesting there should be a war here in the US?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Bye, now!
Hey, I'm down here. If I cut off the lower part of Florida and bring that along with the Florida Keys, can I tow them up there to the north?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
We will send in a rescue mission. Promise. We will also have an exchange program for those who feel they are "stuck" in the midwest, and elsewhere.
I'll stop in Savannah Ga and pick up some pecan pralines for everyone as a "thank you" gift.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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If I bring pralines and Sapphire dry martinis, who could turn me down?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OUUq5mRCimo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Wi8xN_-5A&fe...
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are pulling out all the stops to kill HCR for their corporate overlords. Too bad the clowns that watch him have no clue how badly they're being used and abused.
Wrong thread
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Did Beck graduate high school or was he homeschooled in dumfukistan? I understand that glennbeckistan borders dumfukistan.
... is a very short trip, indeed.
...Glenn Beck doesn't think it was FDR's New Deal that pulled America out of the Depression, it was WWII. Soooo, if Pearl Harbor was the beginning of America's involvement in WWII, which saved the country from ruin, is he saying that Health Care Reform is the "Pearl Harbor" which will save the country from ruin?
Ja wohl, comrade.
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There is something very seriously wrong with Beck. Why would Ailes promote Beck's mentally ill observations on life? What the eff?
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Big massive BINGO!
A catholic converted to mormon......hummm,talking salamander,magic underwear,and poligamy(sp?).Seems like there's demons in someones head.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
and watch first run movies. I shared the link with a friend who's a repbulican (I know, I know, but he's a sales rep. and a good one...).
And I showed him how everything was right there with a touch of a button.
So he goes home and shows it to his daughter and she says "don't do it dad it's infested with viruses." So he comes in and tells me. So I say to him, "Of course it is, it's from mainland china and knowing how everyone watches movies they planted a hidden virus on the website and are just waiting till the site gets passed from person to person, you know how students are, and in a year it will be on 500 million computers world wide. Then they are going to activate it and crash or take over our satellite systems and we won't have any communications and they'll control the worlds computers, then they're just going to start taking over the world and we won't be able to do anything about it!"
His eyes got all big like they were about to pop out of his head, "Really!" he said.
I replied "No, a good virus program will take whatevers there off your computer....... But you never know."
He looked all shook up when he left the office.
Hilarious.
A new day, a new low.
But not as big as 9/11. Nothing will ever be that big.
Will be as big as pearl harbor. We NEED health care reform in this country. We need it or we begin a real melt down in economic progress. And don't be fooled. There are a lot of people in big business who know how important health care reform is to this country. They want it too. The insurance companies don't.
Jeanne
Smite this arrogant little prick once and for all, would ya?
He's like a Joe McCarthy for morons.
I'm pretty sure health care reform is like that. Of course, if those are Liberal kittens, then they're communists and deserve to be steamrolled before they take over America, and that's one promise you can bet your government will keep!
Hey, being like Beck is easy - you just make insane shit up all day long!
I swear this man is the biggest drama queen on the planet.
...than Pearl Harbor. It's roughly equivalent to the end of all life in the universe -- seven times over...plus nine times infinity.
Thank goodness we have Glenn (The World's Biggest CLOWN) Beck to give us sober, reasoned commentary on the world today.
Gawd, I am just sooooooo tired of these of guys.
They are relentless in their absurdity.
They remind me of an ancient Chinese proverb; “Even a drop of water can wear away a mountain, given time”.
Of course the water they use is from a cesspool and the mountain is my patience.
Glenn Beck, the Alex Jones of TV.
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