A chilling Shawna Forde video: Patrolling with the border with a gun down her pants
By David Neiwert Monday Jun 22, 2009 5:00pm
Last year a Norwegian news crew interviewed Shawna Forde while she was out on "patrol" for illegal border crossers in the vicinity of Arivaca, Arizona -- the same area where, less than a year later, she would be arrested for the cold-blooded murder of a 9-year-old girl and her father.
It's pretty chilling, particularly when she describes their activities in the desert:
And then there's the shot where you see her stick her gun down her pants. (For someone raised around guns in a shooting family, that only confirms her complete and utter dumbassery. What is it about Minuteman types who stick their guns down their pants? This is always the sign of someone too stupid to care whether they shoot off their dick or ass.)
In any event, this is all part of why, as Patrick Young at Long Island Wins notes, the Minutemen and their supporters are scrambling hard to get away their many long associations with Forde:
Shawna Forde, who allegedly cooked up the deadly plot to raise money for political action had close ties to Jim Gilchrist, one of the two founders of the Minutemen. His website had defended her against criticism from other anti-immigrant activists as recently as January of this year. Yet, if you go to his site today, pages that Google says listed her have been scrubbed.
Same thing with VDARE, the homepage of educated racism. The site had an article criticizing a newspaper that had called Forde's claims of having been abducted by aliens (Latino immigrants, not space monkeys) far-fetched. The page was scrubbed. It only exists as a Google cache and will soon disappear. Cowards. If you want to back up a woman her brother describes as a sociopathic liar you should at least leave your endorsement up when she is also shown to be a psychopathic murderer.
Young also adroitly observes:
Jeff Schwilk, the leader of the San Diego Minutemen, in his denial of involvement with Shawna Forde gave the most damning statement about her and his own armed militia: "I've been concerned about her and her impact on our movement... Irrational people with assault rifles at the border is a recipe for disaster."
Exactly what I've been saying since I first heard of the Minutemen.
Indeed. And the above video is ample testament to that fact.
Meanwhile, Chad Shue at the Examiner describes how Forde's extremism helped drive the formation of an organized civil-rights campaign to counter it in the Everett area in the form of the Snohomish County Citizens Committee for Human Rights.
The Colorado Independent points out that Tom Tancredo also had his representatives in attendance at Forde's 2007 "Immigration Summit" in Everett, where a letter was read from Tancredo sending his regrets for not being in attendance.
And Marc Cooper chimes in as well.
Of course, at this point, we're still wondering where the rest of the media are. The national reporting on this has been nearly nonexistent -- particularly at Fox.
Imagine for a moment, if you will, the media reaction under the reversed scenario: If this had been a Mexican drug gang that had murdered a white family in the desert, can you imagine how Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly would have handled it?
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And then there's the shot where you see her stick her gun down her pants.... This is always the sign of someone too stupid to care whether they shoot off their dick or ass.)
Well, I hear the name on the birth certificate was originally "Shawn"....
Har, har-har-har
When one takes a look at your previous posts, it's not at all surprising that you're going to bat for a Nazi bimbo. She's probably your mother/sister (and the "/" doesn't necessarily stand for "either/or" in your case.).
dick off.
to hit such a small target at such distance. And that lady does not strike me as the Calamity Jane type.....
you have that much of a familiarity with Tancredo's penis to be able to judge how good of a shot she needs to be?
His source for Tancredo's "not-big-in-the-lapness" was your mother.
she never told me she was there while he was nailing you in the *
Wrong--he was nailing her up the dirt-road, Hi
tler-boy. I was just there taking pictures. Want copies?sure on that? The coyote is always the one getting screwed. Oh and you loose automatically, Godwin's law :)
Know what Godwin's Law actually says before citing it, numbnuts. Hint: it's predictive, not prohibitive. And white supremacists ARE Hitler-boys/-girls; if you don't want to get lumped in with 'em, why stick up for 'em?
And I didn't "loose" anything: Tancredo got off, so did your mom, and I made money on the photos. You, OTOH, "loose" at basic English usage. (And why do you say 'loose' when you clearly mean 'lose', anyway? Because you'd just heard him describe her?)
"For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's Law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
And when have I stuck up for white supremacists? And why 'loose' instead of 'lose' small typo, and as I stated above, she never discussed with me you getting rode up the hershey highway.
About 20 years ago a guy shot his balls off at the Harborplace multiplex in Baltimore. As the local rag at the time reported it showed the urban pluck of the crowd that they calmly helped the paramedics get him out.
Depending on the weapon, the safety features varies as it is not the best option, but not necessarily unsafe at all, especially if there isn't a round chambered.
Regardless, I'm not going to defend this persons' alleged actions that occur after this video, to set the stage. (Again, NOT defending this potential perp., I just want to see the verdict.)
The only thing I am going to defend Dave, is that while it shows that she appears to be quite a bit on the ditzy-trashy side, she is not a representative for those of a lot of Americans who enjoy their rights to be collectors.
I truly hope this does not become a staging ground for any blanket form gun control. If she, and those who acted with her are guilty, then it is my hope that our courts will show them the full extent of our law, and set them as examples.
Aside from their actions... let's not draw too many conclusions here, just yet.
Your book may or may not have a conclusion validified here, as this video just shows a couple people who want to voluntarily assist with the efforts of preventing illegals from entering. One of them in the video is a Vet, with no apparent tie(to her seperate potential crimes) who claims he was shot at by drug dealers.
Washintonian, with one small thing. You mention collectors, and while a firearm owner I'm not a collector yet. But she doesn't speak for me either, nor should her crimes be indicative of myself. As a law abiding citizen that is allowed to possess firearms and licensed to carry a handgun, I agree that her actions should not be considered grounds for any blanket gun control, or even any more gun control. If she was not allowed to legally own firearms do you think that would of stopped this (alleged) crime? Or would she have done what the majority of other criminals have done and got them off the black market/straw buyers?
Saying things like they offer the illegals aid and encouraging people to utilize legal means to enter the country. Yeah she sounds out of control.
Sorry to be slightly off topic...but it does concern a border...why does this administration fear Canada so much?
Homeland Security drone patrolling NNY
http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/story/H...
What is there to fear? West Edmonton Mall had at one time three fully operational submarines. Canadian Navy? 2 that go on fire. Can't be an invasion then that is causing it. Could it be all those 911 terrorists that came across the border? I just don't get this one at all.
i for one dont want all those beady eyed, flapping headed, aboot pronouncing people coming into my country
fearing Canada, - its really all about causing fear in the sheeple. I know that you are aware too that keeping and causing fear is right out of the Nazi playbook. A fearful population is a pliable and gullible population. I used to live in the Detroit area and thinking of Canada as anything other than lovely and clean and peaceful, is anathema to me. Crossing the Ambassador bridge (and going to Boblo Island) was just part of life in Michigan. I simply refuse to play into any sort of fear game - Peace
My high school used to exchange with a high school in Ontario - I stayed with a lovely family in Brampton, and I have fond memories to this day. I remember our H.S. band went to Canada for a concert, and we came back with huge amounts of fireworks, we all crammed them into our instruments - my bass clarinet was full of roman candles - then we all laid down and pretended to be asleep when we got to the border. Fun times :) What has happened? why are americans so painfully fearful?? Now, were I to cross the Ambassador Bridge, I would need a passport??? Its just disgusting. The most fearsome person in Canada is Snidely Whiplash (and all he wants to do is tie Nell Fenwick to the railroad tracks)!! Any other Detroiters/ex Michiganders find this in-frik'n sane? Peace
Insane yes. Surprising, NO! The federal government lets untold numbers of people flood into this country from Mexico, but if you want to go to Canada now from Michigan, you nedd "your papers!" I remember growing up how they always should how evil the Nazi's were by demanding to see your papers.
But we also were always told about those "godless commies" in China and how we needed to be vigilant against them. Vigilant that is, until the corporations figured out a way to exploit them (and screw the American people), then they were not so bad.
It was usually a train conductor, who had a gestapo type standing in back of him, with a long leather trenchcoat (like in the original Raiders), looking menacingly as people nervously showed their "papers".
~ And the "godless commies" too, who now own most of our manufacturing, and hold most of our debt. -
oh yeah..... All of it, including the TSA nazis makes me sick and ashamed to see what has happened.
Nor do we need self proclaimed loonies, and nutjobs at our borders. What we need is S-A-N-I-T-Y!!
Some of us have seen Trailer Park Boys!
...and eat back bacon with Molson's Ale.
hoser! Molson's is pretty good though, eh?
Is all kindsa delicious...but we can't get it down here in the states...not legally anyway.
Has to be Labatt's blue.I used to live across the puddle from Canada.Went to Niagara Falls often.And that "bacon" is more like ham.Its too bad they won't let defectors in anymore.though.
or is that a gun in your pants?
So glad to see she was busy keeping America safe from all those nasty brown people.
...or are you just happy to see me?
in order to make his movement appear larger than it is, he allowed in every sort of riff raff and neo nazi nutjob
right off the bat, when she tried to explain why she was doing what she was doing...she was waaaaaay off base
its not that the people are poor or come from third world countries or have a lack of education....for in one gen, that is fixed (i personally know more than few who are extremely proud that their kids are now attending university, something they couldnt do in their own countries)
the problem is, these people are used by the corporatists to bring down wages and increase their own personal profits
and i would be gung ho for immigration reform...if it really did fix the system
but we were promised this 20 years ago...and the problem just got worse
before any immigration reform is instituted, real punishment of employers must be instituted first
and dont tell me employers dont know when they hire an illegal...
That's what it boils down to.
When is FOX Opinions going to run this story?
As soon as the run the Letterman joke story into the ground some more.
They're waiting to see if she's acquitted. If so then they'll be all over it.
"Was Shawna Forde a liberal? Beck and O'Reilly make the case when we return from break!"
Front page of the WaTimes: "Liberal trailer trash kills innocent 9-year old."
how sources close to the suspect noticed the development of violent behavior and a radicalization of her views right after her conversion to Islam. Before that she had been a role model, conservative, Christian, upstanding moral citizen.
That gun would go off on her fat ass and she wouldn't even feel it. How can somebody spend all those days in the desert and not sweat some of that fat off? Must be a lot of Cheetos in that truck.
She has been sweating it off. You shoulda seen her before she went out to the dessert.
What strikes me as so typical, again, is the motivating belief that evil acts must be committed to fight a greater evil. At least 95% of the harm in this world is done by people who believe they are doing good, or at least forced to lesser evil for lack of a good alternative.
I'm not optimistic this will ever improve.
believe that locking people up is "evil" but if a person has shown that they cannot act like a civilized human being, well you do what you have to do. Same with self defense, I don't believe in taking a human life, but if it's between them and myself or family or other innocents well.... All are lesser evils in the face of greater.
Personally I'm not optimistic that it will improve. The criminals will get coddled more and the law abiding citizens that defend themselves will get crucified.
And his bunch are desperate trying to distance themselves from her. It's clear that she was acting with them and was a pretty active member of the minuteman, including being a public voice and activist. Now, how does one feel when a wife and child beater, aka Chris Simcox is your leader? Seems to me that either way they stink.
feel safe if they have a gun. don't they know the other person might have a bigger gun
Or be a better shot or have more training and experience or be able to shoot someone in the head where they do not have body armor.
FA, you are absolutely right.
I carry at least one gun every day; when I'm in my car, I have two guns. Having guns reminds me that there are a lot of other guns out there, and that I am not bullet-proof... hell, I'm not even bullet-resistant.
Relative size and power is unimportant. I carry a 10mm Glock 29 on my hip; my "car gun" is the larger Glock 20, also chambered for 10mm and one of the most powerful handguns on God's gray Earth. Carrying such guns, and being well-trained & proficient in their deployment and use, does not in any way decrease my fear of the ubiquitous, albeit weaker, nine millimeter round.
My goal is always the same: drive safely and politely, neither start nor escalate any argument, stay away from dangerous places & people, and avoid getting shot. The guns do not make any of those goals easier to achieve; they simply give me a few more options if I somehow fail to avoid trouble.
I sleep with a elephant gun in case an elephant comes a charging in the middle of the night. During the day I carry a surface to air missle in my backpack in case I hear a predator drone over head.
does carrying a firearm automatically make you scared? Do you have a fire extinguisher or smoke detectors in your house? How about a first aid kit? If you do, do you wet your bed every night?
I view those and being armed about the same, they are all ways of protecting myself and my family. I have them but hope I will never need them.
How long would it take to beat someone to death with a fire extinguisher or a smoke alarm?
the size of the fire extinguisher and your own strength and the defensive capability of the person attacked I think.
Although a blast from a dry chemical extinguisher can be disabling if in the face.
And I don't intend to use a fire extinguisher or a firearm to kill someone, if needed I intend to use either to stop a threat to myself or family or other innocents.
because you never know... I actually feel a lot safer if everyone was armed to the teeth 24/7. That's what that amendment is all about!
I will place it near my bed, right next to my grenade launcher and the two bazookas. You never know when you're going to need all that fire power to dish out some lead rain in the event that the under-the-bed and closet monsters unite tonight... just like the founding fathers intended!
Didnt you see Canadian Bacon
Those of us who carry legally eschew Mexican carry for various reasons:
safety (the gun is not secure)
accessibility (the gun is too secure when the pants are tight enough to hold it)
comfort (you need to really crank that belt down so tight it's painful).
But, then, people who carry illegally do a lot of other stupid crap too, like murdering innocents.
I was not aware. ♥
Never put your dick (or other reproductive organs) near a dangerous place.
... and there are few places on earth more dangerous than the nozzle at the end of the barrel of a gun.
but as a legal gun owner/carrier I have on a few occasions used Mexican carry. Need to get out of the car and don't have my holster on me etc. But not for standard carry though.
She makes me physically ill.
She's trash.
in smell-o-vision....
Poor gun
That is one creepy human being.
It's pretty embarrassing to think that Norwegians are going to get such a close look at a patriotic Amurkin. Maybe they'll feel sorry for the rest of us, but I'm more inclined to think they'll just write the whole country off as a bunch of gun crazy, racist lunatics.
I don't speak Norwegian, but I almost certain the guy is saying: "This is Shawna Forde, a typical American housewife...."
You know that was the whole point of the documentary. Look at those freak show Amurikuns, and the dumb stupid bitch was too clueless to get it, continuing to run her mouth making the rest of us look like a bunch of white trash reactionary hillbillies. Ill bet those Norwegians looked at that documentary much the same way we would go to the Zoo and peer over a fence to watch a monkey scratch it's ass.
Just another conservative doing America proud!
He's quite neutral. I can't be bothered to translate the whole thing but he leads with "Every day thousands of people cross the border between Mexico and the USA as illegal immigrants. [..] In these tough areas of Arizona, they're not alone. "The Minutemen" are out to find them and send them back."
While it reflects badly on the USA, Norwegians are hardly that out-of-touch. (Perhaps you didn't notice that they didn't even bother to subtitle the English parts?)
The related article also mentions the group's connections to the extreme right and neo-nazis, something Norway isn't devoid of either. (Although a key difference would be that their neo-nazis aren't running around with guns, or 'protecting their border' as vigilantes)
Is it sensationalist? Damn straight - VG is a tabloid. Does it play to the stereotype of crazy, gun-toting Americans? Sure. But don't insult their intelligence - they know it's a stereotype, and they know it's not representative.
... seem to miss from these types of shows... it is not wether the Europeans consider this video to be the representative of the American society at large or not. What is mortifying for most Euros is that those people and their opinions... are tolerated in this society.
She didn't "shove a gun down her pants". She used the Plexico Burris holster.
her and Simcox could of had a holster. Something along the lines of this
http://www.smartcarry.com/products.html
or this
http://magills.com/pgroup_descrip/44_Belly+Ba...
You can't really tell if someone is wearing one without a up close and personal inspection. Of which I'd rather not do on either of them.
...the guy has intercepted?
For himself?
...by the man with the beard when he said, "It's crazy."
Protecting us with big boobs and stupidity! Thank you Shawna, you're another "real American Zero"!
I hope somebody burned that gun!! I'm sure it's the only way to kill whatever nasty, creepy-crawlies someone like her is sure to have. Besides, the smell...ewww!
If you've never lived within 5 miles of the border give this one a rest. You may be a fine intellectual, but if you haven't lived it, you don't know shit.
I would love to hear from some people who actually live on the border.
Not those of you who think YOUR hispanic cleaning lady/janitor/maid/yard helper/construction worker/factory worker/hooker just can't be illegal, because they might be. Hey not that you really give a shit, they work cheap, not like those spoiled American workers.
Not those of you who think that YOUR pot or YOUR blow isn't hurting anyone.
Mexico’s Drug Wars
By Stabroek staff | June 13, 2009 in Editorial
http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/editorial/06...
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There are some liberals in San Diego who don't hate the Minutemen, and I just love snarky remarks from people who never lived anywhere but the Northwest.
You don't live here you don't know.
produce those liberals - link please.
Also, are you defending Ford?
can you click on a link or are you too stoned?
Shawna probably keeps her gun there because that's the only below-the-belt action she can get.
*rimshot
She's probably hoping it'll go off because it's the only bang she's ever gonna get, baby. *rimshot*
would have a riot with her. What a paranoid delusional loose screw.
More proof that republicanism is a mental illness!
activities in the desert.
That they identify possible illegals coming across the border, offer them aid, then report them to law enforcement. What is chilling about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au5f6pMgN2s
I'm so glad this wicked criminal pig will never again be allowed to "protect us".
Ignorant tools who have convinced themselves that they are "keeping their family safe" and "paying the ultimate price for their country" by patrolling the desert at night. I say good riddance. Now if we could somehow get ALL the FOX viewers to go out into the desert and stick loaded pistols down their pants, then we would be getting somewhere.......
Her logic for her concern is all over the place.
She talks about giving the illegals water and then moves on to 9/11 and drug cartels and at the end talks about how illegal women are being victimized. I love the comment, having grown up in the desert, about how the desert is no place to be without a gun. It was interesting to note that the two gentlemen interviewed were both vets and were more concerned about drugs and terrorists moving over the border.
My favorite part was her mini-rant about how doctors and lawyers weren't coming over the border and that the U.S. was essentially a first-rate nation that was being dumbed down. I'm sure she was quite useful to Teh Minutemen at points, but it should have been clear to anyone observing or conversing with her that rationality is not her strong suit.
I picked up that-how fragmented and delusional her patter is.
Text book paranoia and delusions of grandeur.
These people are all ticking time bombs waiting for Bill O'Reilly and Lou Dobbs to set them off.
tick tick tick tick.......yarghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! KA-BOOM!
The guy putting on the vest they zoom in on is actually a cameraman for a news/documentary agency. He was extremely nervous about being near this woman and her crazy antics.
...jaguars? In the desert? I'm no naturalist, so I have to look that one up, buuuuut.....
I happen to.
They are nothing but terrorist and I hope they suffer the worse punishment possible. That poor child, I can't even fathom how she suffered, and the mom having to watch this play out before her eyes.
New Border Fear: Violence by a Rogue Militia
ARIVACA, Ariz. — “Somebody just came in and shot my daughter and my husband!” the woman shouted to the 911 dispatcher. “They’re coming back in! They’re coming back in!”
Multiple gunshots are then heard on a tape of the call.
The woman, Gina Gonzalez, survived the attack after arming herself with her husband’s handgun, but both he and their 10-year-old daughter died.
The killings, last month, have terrified this small town near the Mexican border, in part because the authorities have now tied them to what they describe as a rogue group engaged in citizen border patrols.
The three people arrested in the crime include the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a Washington State-based offshoot of the Minutemen movement, in which citizens roam the border looking for people crossing into the country illegally. Former members describe the group’s leader, Shawna Forde, 41, as having anti-immigrant sentiments that are extreme, at times frightening, even to people accustomed to hard-line views on border policing.
The authorities say that the three suspects were after money and drugs that they intended to use to finance vigilantism, and that members of the group may have been involved in at least one other home invasion, in California.
“There was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location,” said Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, since, he said, Ms. Gonzalez’s husband, Raul J. Flores, had previously been involved in narcotics trafficking, an assertion the family denies.
A Pima County public defender representing Ms. Forde had no comment on the case. Nor did lawyers for the other suspects, Jason E. Bush, 34, and Albert R. Gaxiola, 42. All three remain in custody, charged with first-degree murder, assault and burglary.
Merrill Metzger, who worked for the group for six months just as it was getting started in 2007, said Ms. Forde had often traveled from Washington to Arizona with weapons. In March, while stopping over at his home in Redding, Calif., she presented a plan for the group to undertake, Mr. Metzger, her half-brother, said in a telephone interview.
“She was sitting here talking about how she was going to start an underground militia and rob drug dealers,” he said.
Mr. Metzger quit the group, alarmed, he said, by a number of things, including Ms. Forde’s demand for extreme loyalty, right down to the choice of cuisine.
“I had to take an oath, and part of the oath was that I couldn’t eat Mexican food,” he said. “That’s when red flags went up all over for me. That seemed like prejudice.”
Another former member, Chuck Stonex, a retired independent contractor, said Ms. Forde had talked about buying a ranch near Arivaca and building a compound. He said that in October, he took an excursion with her into the desert north of here, where, wearing camouflage and carrying handguns and rifles, they searched for illegal immigrants.
“It’s just like hunting,” Mr. Stonex said, describing the tracking skills the group used. “If you’re going out hunting deer, you want to scout around and get an idea what their pattern is, what trails they use.”
Mr. Stonex said he treated one of the suspects, Mr. Bush, for a flesh wound the day of the attack on Ms. Gonzalez’s family. Ms. Gonzalez had presumably shot Mr. Bush in warding off the attackers, but, Mr. Stonex said, the wound did not raise his suspicions, because, he said, Ms. Forde offered what seemed a plausible explanation: “They’d been jumped by border bandits.”
“They were very relaxed, having casual, normal chitchat,” he recalled.
Small numbers of Americans have always viewed border patrolling as a patriotic duty, but the most recent incarnation — the Minutemen movement, which takes its name from citizen militias formed during the Revolutionary War — gained steam in 2005, when hundreds of volunteers flocked to border locations.
Their patrols initially drew praise from some political leaders, including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, but also raised concerns that the activities were thin veils for racism and xenophobia. Over time, the movement has also suffered from infighting, with some groups, like Ms. Forde’s, advocating increasingly confrontational tactics while others have simply monitored the border and reported illegal crossings to the authorities.
Since the killings here, members of some better-known groups involved with the movement have scrambled to disassociate themselves from Minutemen American Defense. Others had begun doing so well beforehand. The 750-member San Diego Minutemen, for instance, started warning people on its Web site in January to avoid Ms. Forde.
According to Ms. Gonzalez’s 911 call, the killers arrived shortly after midnight on May 30, dressed in uniforms resembling those of law enforcement personnel. They told the family that they were looking for a fugitive. Actually, the authorities say, the three suspects believed that Ms. Gonzalez’s husband, Mr. Flores, 29, was holding both drugs and money at their remote home.
Sheriff Dupnik has said there is ample drug activity between here and the border. The suggestion has angered the residents of Arivaca, a town of retirees, artists and working people about 50 miles south of Tucson. “This is a good town,” said Fern Loveall, 76. “It’s a good place to live, and it’s a good place to raise kids. What they’re saying about it isn’t true.”
Members of Mr. Flores’s family also denied that he had had any connection to the drug trade.
“He was a good guy,” said Gilbert Mungaray, his 80-year-old grandfather. “I know what happened, but I can’t imagine why.”
The family’s house was silent this week. An American flag hung on the porch, and three pink roses adorned the front door. Down a dirt road, at the local community center, a picture of Brisenia, the slain daughter of Mr. Flores and Ms. Gonzalez, had been placed in a frame with a small black ribbon affixed to it.
For the regulars at La Gitana Cantina, a friendly establishment with a mixed clientele of Anglos and Mexican-Americans, emotions have ranged from abject sorrow to rage.
“I’ve had people come into the bar and just put their heads in their hands, and all the sudden they’ve got tears pouring down their face,” said Karen Lippert, a bartender. She added that while Mr. Gaxiola was a local, the two other suspects were not.
“This is not us guys,” she said. “It’s the not the way us guys operate.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/27/us/27arizon...
Kevin,
When Shawna Forde first committed her murders, I was away from my computer. I do plenty of watching on these types in Az. Youtube had plenty of footage and many other anti immigration web sites had links to her site as well as relationships. It was a mad dash for them to pull and hide any connection. Thanks for finding this and posting it. Excellent work as usual!
Here is some footage of those that I beleive ran with her in Phoenix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKdIJfjZqc4
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