Chuck Norris and Glenn Beck tout that ol' militia favorite: Texas secession
By David Neiwert Wednesday Mar 11, 2009 10:00amA little while back Chuck Norris showed up on Glenn Beck's program and mostly bantered right-wing populist talking points, but they focused especially on the Second Amendment and gun rights, with Beck playing up the possibility of new gun laws under an Obama administration:
NORRIS: Well, yes. The whole thing is that's the Second Amendment — the Second Amendment. The final line in the Second Amendment says, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
That means not by the president, not by Congress. They are not allowed to take our rights away with this because of the Second Amendment, Glenn. And the thing is, I have a 700-acre ranch in Texas. And I have a lot of guns on my ranch.
I don't use them for hunting. I'm not a hunter. But the thing is, it's for protection. And the Second Amendment was designed for tyranny against the government. If the government decides to become a tyrannical government, our guns are to protect us against that. And that's really what the Second Amendment is all about, Glenn.
BECK: So you know, here is the thing, Chuck. You know, the government doesn't want us to have weapons and yet, they have weapons. I think the biggest weapon they have is the IRS. Nobody even understands. I just — I read a letter from ...
NORRIS: You're hitting a real sore point with me right there.
BECK: They can use taxes as a weapon, and the IRS code that that you can't even figure out — am I wrong on that?
The combined tax-bashing and gun paranoia is classic "Patriot" movement chatter, though neither started spinning off into far-right governmental theories and talk about secession.
No, they saved that for last Tuesday, when Norris went on Beck's radio show:
GLENN: Chuck, you live in Texas.
NORRIS: Yes, I do.
GLENN: Somebody asked me this morning, they said, you really believe that there's going to be trouble in the future. And I said, if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country, which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower.
NORRIS: It was slower, yeah.
GLENN: Americans will, they just, they won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up. And they said, where's that going to come from? And I said Texas, it's going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that, Chuck, or not?
NORRIS: Oh, yeah. You know, Texas is a republic, you know. We could actually --
GLENN: It was a country before it was a state.
NORRIS: Yeah, we could break off from the union if we wanted to.
GLENN: You do, you call me.
NORRIS: Oh, yeah.
Yesterday, Norris published a piece at the Patriot-friendly WorldNetDaily, which took it even farther, openly calling for Texans to prepare themselves for secession:
On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, "I may run for president of Texas."
That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.
From the East Coast to the "Left Coast," America seems to be moving further and further from its founders' vision and government. ...
... When I appeared on Glenn Beck's radio show, he told me that someone had asked him, "Do you really believe that there is going to be trouble in the future?" And he answered, "If this country starts to spiral out of control and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up." Then Glenn asked me and his listening audience, "And where's that going to come from?" He answered his own question, "Texas, it's going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that Chuck?" I replied, "Oh yeah!" Definitely.
It was these types of thoughts that led me to utter the tongue-n-cheek frustration on Glenn Beck's radio show, "I may run for president of Texas!"
I'm not saying that other states won't muster the gumption to stand and secede, but Texas has the history to prove it. As most know, Texas was its own country before it joined the Union as its 28th state. From 1836 to 1846, Texas was its own Republic. Washington-on-the-Brazos (river) served as our Philadelphia, Pa. It was there, on March 2, 1836, where a band of patriots forged the Texas Declaration of Independence. (We just celebrated these dates last week.)
... For those losing hope, and others wanting to rekindle the patriotic fires of early America, I encourage you to join Fox News' Glenn Beck, me and millions of people across the country in the live telecast, "We Surround Them," on Friday afternoon (March 13 at 5 p.m. ET, 4 p.m. CT and 2 p.m. PST). Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation. You can host or attend a viewing party by going to Glenn's website. My wife Gena and I will be hosting one from our Texas ranch, in which we've invited many family members, friends and law enforcement to join us. It's our way of saying "We're united, we're tired of the corruption, and we're not going to take it anymore!"
Just to jog people's memories, the most recent organized effort to declare Texas an independent republic was the "Republic of Texas" outfit that built itself around Patriot conspiracy theories and engaged law enforcement in a week-long armed standoff:
The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Fort Davis Resort, and demanded the release of two movement members in exchange for the Rowes. McLaren's wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. The McLarens and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison. This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.
Rick Ross has a complete library of articles about the RoT, which remains active in a mildly mutated form to this day. Also, Slate's Franklin Foer wrote a pretty comprehensive piece about them in 1997.
We've been saying for awhile that right-wing populism tends, in America at least, to lead down the path of far-right extremism. Glenn Beck and Chuck Norris seem to be taking off at a brisk jog.
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no great loss. Don't let the door hit them and all that.
Lot of that going on right now. Churches, workplace, schools.
How come Chuck ain't protecting the good people of the world?
He could if they were allowed to have guns of their own.
Yes, because that's the solution to all the world's problems -- just give everyone a gun and let them shoot it out.
This is the kind of barbaric mentality we should have evolved past centuries ago. People like you are nothing more than evolutionary throwbacks.
Well, the conservatives would certainly be happy if Texas rejoined Mexico. Lots of low wage workers to do their dirtywork.
If Texas left the union (oh please, oh please), the sudden shift in the electoral college would insure a Democratic victory for the white house every election year.
Maybe we can get them to take South Carolina with them? I'll bet our national test averages would skyrocket, too.
I've always found it funny how some conservatives actually think the US should be run like a business. If it had been, the states that had been producing less taxes than they take in (South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi) would have been severed from the union and sold to the highest bidder a long time ago. After which, a liberal/socialist government would be nearly guaranteed.
It's true though
Guns are for protection from invaders (country as well as home), survival/hunting, and a check against our government. We are the 4th branch of government.
blah, blah...
Where were all the NRA types for the past 8 years while Bush was wiping his ass with the constitution? Oh, that's right... defending him all the way.
I am tired of stupid white males using guns as penile extenders trying to use a loftier goal as an excuse for gun ownership.
By the way, if the people is the 4th branch of the government, what are the other 3 made of? Mermaids and elfs? Maybe a government by the people, for the people, and of the people... wasn't an even big enough of a hint for you?
I would have some respect for the gun nuts if at least they had bothered to read the constitution they so love to protect (hint, there are more than 2 amendments...)
all the guns were being taken away by the Bush Administration in their response to Hurricane Katrina?
The NRA sued over that like they should.
They were going absolutely apeshit.
"Patriots" hate Bush. If they like Bush, they are not in the "Patriot" movement.
no, no we weren't (and real owners are in the GOA, but NRA is a bunch of sellouts). we were all backing Ron Paul
Gun Owners of America?
There's a shooting range not far from my house, that USED to be open to the public, now the cops have taken over, and the "public" can still get in, though...only if you're a member of the NRA...
Which sucks!
When was the last time the United States was invaded? Do you seriously believe any country that had the military power to invade us would be stopped by a bunch of pistol-packin' beer drinkin' good ole boys? Do you think that this same bunch would be able to resist the forces of the United States? Maybe they could take on the local sheriff, but I doubt it. Handguns might be effective in a home invasion, although unless you are always packing heat, you probably wouldn't be able to get to your gun before they get you.
Here in Arizona you can carry a gun on your hip pretty much anywhere. I'm more worried about that person than the government taking away my gun.
except for the fact that there has never been a single incident by a concealed carry owner in the history of the country.
learn your facts before you speak kid
violent crimes went down...
Especially car jackings and home invasions...I will try to find a link.
Guns are for getting drunk and shooting your brother-in-law.
Guns are for leaving out for your kids and their friends to play with.
Guns are for killing the woman you sleep with, the woman who quit sleeping with you, or the woman who wouldn't sleep with you.
Hell, in this economy, at least I'd have a source of food. If you're on 700 acres and are worried about "protection", maybe you've got something to hide?
Are out to murder Norris for his forty years of crimes against ACTING. That's why he needs the 'protection.'
Schwarzenegger improved greatly as an actor. Seagal has gotten a little better. Evan Jean Claude Van Damme got good reviews for his new semi-autobiographical film 'JCVD'. But, after being in movies since the early 70s, Chuck Norris still completely SUCKS as an actor.
the guy that fought against Bruce Lee, who made his career on self defense with the hands and feet as weapons, he needs guns on a 700 acre ranch but not for hunting?
something ain't right.
Uncle Wally
Excellent point. One has to wonder who all these people are who supposedly have it in for Norris. Also, gun fanatics like Norris always like to quote the Second Amendment while conveniently leaving out the first part which refers to a well-regulated militia.
People like Norris typify so many Americans who love to indulge their paranoia and hysteria by stocking up on as many weapons of destruction as they can get their hands on.
That's because ol' Chuckie's a fucking certifiable loon.
for chrissakes!
he just doesn't understand the whole majority vote thingy...
that gave me a laugh. They just don't get it, we won.
Wow! These people are nuts.
Maybe...
All these gun nuts (who happen to be right wingers) happen to hang out with other gun nuts (who happen to be right wingers) and right winger mostly happen to be criminals so from their standpoint most people are crooks and guns are necessary.
Maybe they should hang out with progressives and they'll see guns aren't so necessary any more.
I'm OK with being a 49 state union.....let them go.
Take Alaska and Palin with you...I still have a 48 star flag, and I can do without the assholes Texas and Alaska seem to mass-produce
Texas can go, I sure wouldn't miss is one bit!!! Now, how can we get BLOODY ISRAEL off the dole??? That would put OUR $$$$ in our very own pockets! How many million?? yes, off topic, sorry.
I live and am from Texas. Not everyone hear is Chuck Norris/Bush/Rove etc. Actually, some of us are quite normal. Everytime I have to go to Midland I see the big ass sign that says "Home of President George W. Bush and Laura Bush". Makes me want to vomit. Those fuckers aren't real Texans.
my brother and his wife live just west of Midland in Wink, TX and I would hate to see TX leave the union if only for their sake.
I live in West Virginia and, like Texas, there are several pockets of decent, articulate, intelligent, open minded folks....but the nutjobs seem to get all the press.
I live in and am from Texas, too, and there are areas where sensible ideas and attitudes prevail, Austin particularly, but most of the people in the state are either extremely right-wing or at least conform to the right-wing community norms that surround them. There's a reason why most of the supporters of Cindy Sheehan's 2005 Camp Casey in Crawford, TX, weren't Texans, while most of the opponents (you remember, the ones issuing death threats and running over memorial crosses with their trucks) were Texans. There's also a reason George W. Bush could safely retire to Dallas, a large city which breaks the standard urban rule that says large cities tend to be progressive. And I know there are exceptions to all this, but they are pretty minor compared to the overall picture.
But these people are talking treason and sedition.
Plain and simple.
Arrest them. Arrest them now.
Sure does sound like treason to me, too. Book 'em!
I don't see it that way. By that reasoning it appears that you would have to apply it to our founding fathers as well. While there are some nut cases out there, both on the right and the left, it is an extremely small percentage. Simply having a conversation about what has happened to our rights, especially in the last 8 years of a supposed conservitive president, is not treason or sedition.
Where are people like you when men like Rev. Wright exercise their Amendment rights?
He can say practially anything he wants as far as I'm concerned. I don't have to agree with the content, which for the most part I do agree with, to still protect that right.
But these are the same schmucks that called us traitors for merely speaking out against bushCo for his MANY crimes!
Where were these two then? bush did no wrong in their eyes, and now they want to secede because a black man is in the WH? Fuck them!
to just come out and say that it's all about "the black" and be done with it. It's not like they've got much of a non-Anglo audience to begin with. Would they be racist morons? Sure, but at least honest ones.
They're dying to drop the "N" bomb...I mean, it's not like they ain't saying it behind closed doors.
We've had plenty of presidents from both parties in the past and the hatred has never been this bad. The only thing that has changed is that we now have a black man as president. That and these guys spent the whole run up to the election saying that Obama was a Muslim, terrorist sympathizer, etc.
because they know it would start a shit-storm of EPIC proportions...and that really chaps their asses!
They want to say it sooooo bad.
They did similar stuff over Clinton. Clinton wasn't legitimate, etc. Militia's formed. Hell, he got impeached over a blowjob! That they took a sitting president away from presidential duties to investigate his sex life was a travesty for all of us.
Bugliosi talks about that in his book about GWB being the murderous shit he is and should be prosecuted. (AMEN!) Never in American history was a sitting president put through that type of crap for something not related to his job.
Teh Black just adds to it this time around. You are adding insult (his being black) to injury (his being a Dem) in their eyes.
Disagreeing with the government when it is in the wrong is the highest form of patriotism in my opinion. Bush should be in prison along with the majority of the neocons he had with him.
But the dissent from the right over BS is gettin on my nerves.
They are calling for armed insurrection against the administration. Which is trying to fix the mess their idiot hero bush created.
Fuck them.
Anti-American nazi assholes is what they are!
It's basically false indignation on their part. It proves to be lame when they were not saying the same thing when BushCo was implementing the (un)patriot act, the military commission act, the John Warner defense bill, warrentless eavesdropping, etc...
False indignation is what it is...but it's also dangerous for them to be getting the gun-toting fundies in an uproar.
The shootings by the rightwingnutjobs are proof of that.
If, what norris, and beck are saying is not technically treasonous, or seditious, it IS incitement to violence IMHO.
Freedom of speech allows them to get the "rightwingnutjobs" into an uproar, as long as it's not openly calling for violence. But it is not limited to just the rightwingers, again it is a small faction of "extremists" on both the right and left that gets people agitated to the point where violence is initiated.
But apparently, beck, and hannity as well HAVE been openly, albeit subtly, calling for violence.
And this small faction you speak of...sure the left and the right have their smacktards, but the right outnumbers the left by FAR in that dept.
And the right has talk radio all but sewn up, and they call for revolution daily.
I haven't seen the numbers showing the amount of smacktards on the left and right, so I can't agree or disagree. As for the right having talk radio sewn up, I can agree with that. But that is because the government allowed a few corporations to own most of our media, which is why people are flocking to the internet to find accurate news. If we would focus more on anti-trust provisions to break up these behemoths and bring diversity back to the airwaves and print we would be much better off than what some people have suggested, and that being the fairness doctrine.
I can't say either really, I can say, that the rightwingnut blogs are ALL ABOUT violent revolution against any who ain't them...the leftwing blogs... you have a few here and there that call for it...but very few.
And I can't say I've seen any liberals calling for that kinda shit since Nov. 4th.
But hooooboy since we've had Obama in office, the far right is falling all over themselves to show their "patriotism" by dissenting against the current administration.
Funny how they weren't doing it when it really mattered.
right, because Chuck Norris was such a vocal opponent of George Bush at anytime during those 8 long years, eh?
Frankly the attempts by your ilk to rewrite history, which just happened a couple of months ago, are very insulting to say the least. So f*ck off the lot of you already...
Funny how you fucktards waited exactly until Bush was out of office to express "concerns" about civil liberties. Which for you mean "continue getting away with all the sh*t we were getting away with..."
So expressing an opinion about the second amendmant makes me a fucktard. You know nothing about me. I believe in the constitution and that it should be adhered to regardless of who is running the country.
He is raising some valid points IMHO.
coming out of the woodwork talking about protecting the constitution, right after Obama was elected.
Where were they during the 8 years of non-stop assault on the constitution? Oh, yeah... they were quieter than a graveyard at 4 AM.
Now all of the sudden, voila... Bush who? They were all against the war too, they just kept very quiet about it. In fact when they were calling us liberals traitors for being against the Bush administration abuses, well... they were really saying "damn you Bush, we so disagree with you."
Opportunists, the lot of them. After these 8 long years, I no longer have the patience to deal with these types anymore, I just can't.
I have seen this movie a few times already. I have a few libertarian acquittances who called me all sorts of names after 9/11 for being a pacifist. And if you were to listen to them now, you'd thought they were out there manning the barricades against the run up to war. I know their act, it is disgusting, rewriting history in real time...
I am glad you were out there manning the barricades. I hope it's not opportunistic on your part and you will do the same if this administration decides it's in the best interest of the country and national security to go to war or expand an existing war.
But 4Liberty doesn't IMHO seem to be that type...I may be wrong of course, wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last...
I don't post often, on this site or others for that matter, but I do occasionally speak up. When I do, though, I often get called many nasty and vile things. Which is fine by me, I have a thick skin and I truely believe in the right to speak ones mind. I am no "concern troll", and there is no way to always agree with everyone all the time, I guess that's why I'm not a politician.
There's some on here that I swear are concern trolls, or just plain trolls...and others on here that I like alot, that swear they ain't.
It crazy I tells ya.
Not everyone is gonna, or should feel the same way about everything...that's boring, and unhealthy.
Though sometimes, I find myself (or get called out) for not following that ideal...but hey, I'm only human.
But you have got to check this out:
Executive assasination ring run by Dick Cheney
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hersh_US_has_be...
Holy SHIT!
Cheney better be hung by his scrote-sac for this!
when we were voicing our concerns and anger about the illegal wars and unconstitutional actions the previous office holders engaged in WE WERE CONSIDERED TRAITORS.
Obama is in office for less than 2 months, these clowns get all the air time they can handle and openly espouse treason and sedition and THEY ARE PATRIOTS.
Guess Obama is really freakin' the freaks out!!!! Let's bring a couple of them in front of a congressional committee with lots of exposure and have them explain their comments to the American people. Craven cowardly creeps.
Remember how they (repubs) got all high behind when the Dixie Chicks spoke out. Weirdos.
was pretty fucking scary. Why are they using Al-Quaeda terminology to describe their patriot movement?
That's simple, they're terrorists too, only of the domestic variety.
Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.
Nice of them to self-identify as terrorists for us; makes it easier to handle them as such.
D
If you are pro-Constitution, then maybe you are pro-10th amendment?
This means that the States reserve the right to secede. It is not treason. And sedition is something that Savage Wiener wants people to be arrested for.
and thanks for bringing that to my attention.
That deserves some serious contemplation on my part...
Though I think calling for armed revolution against the President might be considered treason...
This little line was under the powers of Congress, Article I, Section 8....
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"
I believe secession would qualify as an insurrection.
David, I would have bet serious bucks that you would cover this story. Thank you so much!
Freaks like this scare the hell out of me. This whole thing Norris and Beck have cooked up for Friday scares me too. I hope to goodness the FBI is keeping watch on this so it doesn't turn into something even uglier.
There is a watch party at a house up the street from my parents. I told my Dad to keep an eye on it.
I would be very interested in what you dad sees or hears. Hopefully it will be just a tea and biscuits sort of thing.
I will keep you posted.
Thanks, I think everyone will be interested. What I'm trying to figure out is, what is the point of this meetup thing. What results or outcome do they expect.
Interested, too!
You mean that Beck might be setting up a revolution kind of thing to get the black man out of the White House?
LMAO...
Let's RETURN Texas to Mexico. Reparations and all...
:D
We might have to pay them to take it.
...is starting to piss me off.
Listen assholes, there are plenty of us Democrats who live here and love our state along with our country. You spineless pricks are no better than the Right Wingers who talk shit about California.
SMA
You're right, and I apologize.
It will take Texas generations of repentance and cleansing to eliminate that black mark on the world.
Won't happen in my lifetime.
But the 2nd Amendment is a little more specific than 'y'all get to have guns and brandish them about as you like'.
A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Now, we don't have citizen soldiers in the strictest sense of the word, unless you count the Army National Guard. And I don't consider a bunch of whackjobs like you and ArmaGlennon to be contributing to the security of any state, free or otherwise.
The saddest part of this was how Norris and the rest of the patriots were all whinging about how the evil Muslims were gonna come here and take the place over, but now that Obama's in office, they're gonna go all Red Dawn on anyone who comes to take away their Bibles and Berettas.
Shadowgm
Bingo. Intelligently and persuasively well stated.
It does not mean "a bunch of inbred ragamuffins playing soldier on weekends"
Militia is latin for "conscript army."
The 2nd amendment, is mostly about the duty of the United States to maintain an army made of citizens. Since big chunks of the revolutionary war had been fought by mercenaries. I believe the Swiss army model of soldier citizens (most Swiss households have government provided semi automatic weapons) is what encapsulates the intention of the founding fathers.
Probably the right to bear arms as penile extensions was the last thing in the mind of the founding fathers. Then again, those dudes could have taken the extra 5 minutes needed to write amendments a tad more precisely...
... but they also spoke English English.
He can't even act like a decent citizen.
Where were these jassacks when shrubya was taking all of our rights away?
For years, these losers talked and talked about "defending the Constitution" if the govt tried to subvert our rights...
What would one of these gun nuts say to the criminal that breaks into their house and uses their guns against them? Or what do they say when their guns are used in a crime because they disappeared from under their noses?
gun owners or stolen to commit other crimes than are used by the homeowner for his/her protection.
(Sorry, no links at present.)
I have owned guns all my life and that has never happened. I own some guns for hunting and others for self protection. If a criminal breaks into my house I have a means to protect my life and property. Who else is going to do it?
21% of the police officers killed with a gun were killed with their own weapon. These are trained professionals what do you suppose are the numbers for civilians?
Sure sounds like Neiwert would go out of his way to mock the rebels of 1775-6 too for wanting to break away from British imperialism and despotism.
The Colonies pursued dialogue before declaring independence and rebelling against the British Crown. I don't consider Norris' little diatribes on WorldNutDaily to be anywhere near the well-thought out discourses of our founding fathers, from the letters of Adams and Jefferson to the Federalist Papers.
Hell, even the list of grievances isn't close. Where's the taxation without representation? Last I checked, Texas has two senators and a bunch of Congresscritters. Quartering soldiers in our homes? Nada.
No, but I would mock anyone who thought these beer-bellied, intellectually malinformed and emotionally maladjusted yahoos bore any kind of resemblance to those men. Of course, they do think of themselves that way ...
Now THAT'S concern trolling!
He'd been a tad lame lately, but I was hoping he would get back into his good ol' form.
Atta boy!
You can tell by watching this, that they both think they are funny, and KEWL!! They are neither.
Now I see why my in-laws entire greedy, but well educated family, have turned their backs on all things Rethuglickon.
After all the murders via shooting sprees in the past weeks, you'd think an assclown who once "acted" in a gun-slinger, TX. bullshit show, would be out there trying to protect these rednecks from themselves. SURE......that'd be kind of like Lee asshat Greenwood actually standing behind those jingoistic songs he's made tons of dough from, suiting up and getting his skinnny, wrinkled, old ass over to Iraq.
These tools are all bad actors, willing to say anything to make a filthy buck.
SNORE.
Texas-- please leave.
[edit: Of course I would never watch these two. Ick.]
Gun nuts keep talking about how important it is to have guns to protect against a tyrannical government. They say we can't have any laws restricting gun ownership because then the government will come and take away all our guns.
But isn't their point that if the tyrannical government comes to take the guns, they would *shoot* the government representatives and protect themselves? So why worry about it? They have their guns to protect them!
And as for Texas secession -- fine. Go. Nothing but a giant shit-hole with a direct line to Mexico.
Channeling Timothy McVeigh
Can't wait to see that footage on the news, as the FBI "accidentally" burns down his ranch with a "tear-gas cannister".
over at They Gave Us A Republic has been saying for a long time that the biggest terrorist threat we have in the US is people like this.
When will the next OK City take place? For that is basically what these people are calling for.
Yes it is basically what they are calling for. They get people all fired up but will deny responsibility if something awful happens. Like I said before, I hope the FBI is watching this and won't let it get out of hand to point where someone gets hurt.
But every time we have some nutjob shooting spree (read: Alabama), I keep waiting to see what their 'manifesto' was. Just like that church shooter last year who had every wing nut book on his shelf and his anti-left 'manifesto' wishing he could kill Dems in Congress but opted to kill a bunch of churchgoers instead.
been motivated by left or right...
I think he was either a crazy SOB, or...well no...I think that's pretty much it.
I mean...he started by shootin his mom....ya gotta be crazy to shoot your own mom I say.
Lots of scary bullshit from commenters, about how Obama will take all our guns away, how because the news didn't give the name of the shooter that must mean the liberal media was protecting an illegal immigrant or non-white man ("if he was white his name would be all over the place"), etc. etc.
Scary shit. I don't know why I bothered looking.
My mom uses AOL. So does my eventual mother-in-law. It's their high tech connection to the googles. Mind you, my mom is someone who sends me a "the email", then calls me and asks me if I got it.
AOL is for people who aren't very well developed mentally, but then again whenever I look at the Comcast forums, I'm reminded that stupid and ignorant people are never far away.
I only use AOHell because it's one of the very few decent connections in my area, unfortunately. But yeah, I can totally see where you're coming from with that!
What none of these seperatists don't get is that Texas would have to reimburse the US for every single capital improvement made at taxpayer expense. Wonder if they would tell that to the voters in Texas.
Please.
Prof. Challenger
Wonder if Huckabee is rethinking his association with Norris? Probably not. Maybe if Norris runs for president of texas, Huck can be his veep.
Obama was right. Beck and Norris announce "We're bitter, and clinging to our guns."
.
Why is it always rich, privileged white guys who seem to think that they are being treated so unfairly by having to pay taxes on their wealth?
I thought you loved America?
Guess not.
They just don't wanna pay their bills (taxes).
Deadbeats.
Welfare Kings along with the CEOs and bankers and stockmarketeers.
They get this kind of shit all stirred up and then when something awful happens, they fade into the background.
That white supremacists use.
> And the Second Amendment was designed for tyranny
> against the government. If the government decides
> to become a tyrannical government, our guns are
> to protect us against that
Then why didn't that insane rightard rise up when the Bush regime hijacked the 2000 Presidental election? Why didn't any of these insane gun nut right wing extremist lunatics rise up and restore the U. S. Constitution when the Christofascists inflicted USA PATRIOT Act against America?
These frothing cultists don't have firearms to save America, they have fire arms because their penis is too small and having guns makes them feel like they're some how men.
... isn't the keystone of a defense against tyrrany. That's why the Constitution enumerates the powers of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches. Checks and balances.
And, really - what's a washed-up action star who pimps a home gym, and a bug-eyed comedian going to do? Kind of hard to save America when you're sitting on your 700-acre ranch, eh? Face it - there are Americans, every bit as patriotic, every bit as religious - who are in danger of losing their 1000 square foot home.
But let's suppose the nutjobs whipped into a froth by Norris and Beck rise up and overthrow the government. Okay, now it's their problem - fix the banks. Fix the economy. Fix the schools. Fight two wars. Well? Where's the solution? Face it, they'll be standing there talking about how godly they are as people lose their homes and jobs.
When bush was runnin roughshod on the ENTIRE Constitution?
You get all in a huff over this NOW?
Asshole!
Exactly!
Is this some sort of veiled suggestion by them that because Obama is president that govt. is more threatening to these jerks?
Let's see...
Why do gun nuts always cite the end of the 2nd amendment, and never the first phrase... you know: the one that says that stuff about "a well regulated militia".
Also, as tempting as it might be to cut Texas loose, last time I checked, secession is treason. I thought we settled that one a while back.
As for Beck, his mother murdered the wrong person.
wow........what kind of plant is that chucky. you need to lay off the "420" dude. you can have guns i have NO problem with that but let's look at the drug Cartel(s) crisis in meXico. 90% of the weapons mostly automatic weapons come from the u.s.a. actually a gun shop owner in phoenix is being held in jail for knowingly selling weapons to drug cartel members.
had something on AC 360 the other day about that. 50 caliber machine guns and all kinds of other weapons are being sent over the border to be used for this all out war that the cartels have waged against Mexico.
There is endless debate about the existence of the human soul. Well it does exist, and Chuck Norris finds it delicious.
I could go on all day ;)
Doesn't have a chin...under that rugged beard, is another fist.
Wouldn't it be great to trace Chuck's life history?
Makes millions in movies where hundreds to thousands die violent deaths,
He does the usual hollywood hero lifestyle of excess (booze, drugs, women.....who knows?)
How many times married?
How many kids? where what are they doing?
Finds jesus (due to going off the deep end?)
Now is a right wing whacko with a right wing whacko wife living on a 700 acre ranch waiting for armeggedon and the return of jesus.
And we have to actually stumble upon his idiotic rants because his buddies are Glenn Beck and Mike Huckabee.
Anybody know? I am just guessing he followed a similar path.
I didn't even know who he was until Huckabee hauled him on stage with him during his campaign.
he's trying to use Ron Paul to discredit him.Paul is anti imperialism anti war for profit.
Norris is pro war with other peoples kids and kill them all
Chuck Norris doesn't need a gun to hunt. The animals are so afraid, they surrender.
that has Chuck Norris on it..it shows him doin one of his famous flying side kicks to a deers head...and has the words Chuck Norris: Extreme Hunting.
It's now my favorite shirt.
I get a little tired of the constant state of rage that all these postings about Glen (the Nazi party is socialist) Beck put me in, but then I read that he is getting 2.2 Million viewers, wow, it's good to keep an eye on these guys as they continue to foster the loss of identity and economic uncertainly that so many feel and channel it towards their dangerous ends.
is "The Crusader" that is "leading the pack"? Sounds like a witness deposition to me.
recall UBS was in the media off/on the last 12 months for providing TAX haven(s) for approximately
52,000 americans. UBS is paying a penality/fine of 750 million. the IRS is being relentless. why?
this/these TAX haven(s) are keeping a TAX revenue of 100 billion from being paid. there are several
financial subsidiaries in different areas like caYman islands. JUST maybe we would NOT have to raise TAXEs if people paid their TAXEs.
They're so proud of their history as a "country" (whose existence can easily be counted in months). Unlike the U.S. whose revolution threw off the shackles of a foriegn government, Texas was already part of a country which had thrown off foreign rule in the Mexican War of Independence.
But the independence from Spain presented two major problems: white people weren't given total control; and there was a danger that slavery might be outlawed.
So a nation of bigots was formed.
And like most bigots, they wrapped themselves in a phony tough guy persona. How about that Alamo? The mighty Texans held out against the Mexican army for 13 days. Of course, the vast majority of this time was not spent fighting, but sitting around waiting. Once the fighting began the Texans lasted about ten minutes, if that.
The two most famous victories of a Mexican army that I'm aware of are the Alamo and the Cinco de Mayo victory over the French.
Of the two, the French appeared to have been far tougher.
for a while. In fact more African slaves fled the South towards Spanish-held Florida which had abolished slavery, than towards the North which still recognized slavery. Even the British had given up, for the most part, slavery before Crockett et al, none of whom were Mexican or born anywhere near Mexico, decided to interfere in what were purely internal Mexican affaires.
Funny how The Alamo is viewed as a fight against tyranny. When in reality it basically involved Mexicans defending their own territory against a bunch of foreigners hell bent in reinstating slavery.
As a proud leftist Texan I can say that seeing the likes of Chuck Norris out there is an insult to my state. I'm proud of my history and heritage here but these wingnuts are really disturbing with their anti-American sentiment.
That being said the Texas Revolution was fought because of Santa Anna's violation of the Mexican Consitution of 1824. Had he abided by that rather than becoming a dictator then Tejas, as well as several other Mexican states, would not have revolted. There's a reason the Mexican flag flying over the Alamo during the battle had "1824" on it. Would you really expect a little over a hundred men to last much longer than fifteen minutes against an advanced army of thousands in all-out battle. The point of the Alamo was it gave them enough time to draft the Declaration of Independence and Sam Houston was allowed more time to prepare his army.
I'm very proud of the Tejanos who fought for the Republic of Texas and that it even managed to last more than nine years. I'm proud of my state's Mexican influence and heritage as well. Don't judge my state or its citizens by your lack of education in history.
... now there is a Mexican name.
You sound like John Wayne.
John Wayne was a Nazi. He liked to play SS...
Much of it is based on the essential truths expressed therein. In fact, I believe that "The Alamo" is Spanish for "Ozzy's urinal."
I have to defend my home state (NC) sometimes on here too.
how my family survived undue anti-Mexican racism and segregation by white Texans for over 100 years after they (the white Texans) showed up in a state my family had been in for generations, and then acted like they owned the place!
Thank you TexasSocialist, as a life long lefty Texan I get tired of people from "blue states" disparaging and writing off those of us who have worked hard, and continue to do so, to change Texas from Red to Blue. The great Sam Houston worked very hard to get Texas admitted to the Union and fought to keep the state from joining the Confederacy. There is not a chance that the majority would agree to secession now. And really, even if we did, it would be cold day in hell before we would elect that transplanted "Okie" president.
For a couple of clowns who pretend to be hyper-patriotic this successionist rhetoric sounds an awful lot like treason to me. Chuck Norris the unhinged traitor. Yeah that sounds about right.
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Something smell funny in America...
Todd Palin = Secessionist
Chuck Noris = Secessionist
(R)ush Limbaugh = Hopes America fails
Suddenly, the GOP is against America?
WTF???
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They want a civil fuckin war, the bastards!
That's because their worst nightmare came true. A Black man in the White House!
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