Epic Fail: O'Reilly tries to counter Stewart's pointed jibes, but runs smack into his own hypocrisy
Jon Stewart got in his licks at Fox News the other night, accusing them of being "the new liberals" for their, umn, tolerant approach to the town hall health-care protesters.
Stewart caught Bill O'Reilly saying recently:
O'Reilly: When we cover the town-hall meetings, we don't describe the protesters as "loons."
Stewart: Of course you don't describe the protesters as loons! What kind of monster would describe honest Americans voicing their political opinions that way?
[Reverts to earlier clip of O'Reilly, describing an anti-war protest]
O'Reilly: Surveys show many protesters are simply loons.
So last night on The O'Reilly Factor, the Falafel Master offered, by way of excuse, to demonstrate that Stewart had edited out the exculpatory parts of his monologues which made it clear he didn't mean all the protesters. And indeed, on the longer clip, O'Reilly can be heard to say:
O'Reilly: There are the anti-Bush protesters in New York City. While most of these people have been peaceful, more than a thousand have been arrested and surveys show, many protesters are simply loons, calling for the destruction of the American system, calling for retreat in the face of terrorism. Here's a bulletin for you Bush-haters: These protesters are not helping John Kerry.
O'Reilly somehow thinks this demonstrates his innocence:
O'Reilly: We were talking about the arrested protesters.
Actually, no, you weren't, Bill. Look at the transcript: You were talking about the protesters who were surveyed -- and that included all the protesters, not just those who were arrested.
Moreover, no one on the left or among the Democrats that I'm aware of has called all of the town-hall participants "loons." They've been careful to parse out the behavior of the people interested in civilized discourse. When protesters have been characterized as "loons" or some variation thereof, it's been because of their disruptive behavior.
So if BillO's excuse -- that he was just talking about some of the protesters -- is good enough for Bill, why not for everyone else?
But then, we already know that the standards BillO applies to others don't apply to his own august self. That's the real "O'Reilly Factor."
And gets the KO (as always).
I liked that original text from O'Reilly "Surveys show many protesters are simply loons". Now how was that survey worded?
Are you a:
A) Protestor, outraged that you're government started an immoral war
or
B) Simply a loon
I was up early this morning and saw a rerun of his show from last night. This part was so fu*king lame that even a crutch wouldn't help it. When you find yourself explaining, you have alread lost the argument. Bill would have been better off just leaving what Jon did alone. Jon is the clever person and Bill is the fool.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Oh yea Stewart, lets see that. A speacial half hour segment with Bill O'Riely and Jon Stewart, how fun could that be, and then the next day O'Riely taking the interview out of context to discredit the ass whooping he just got.
If one goes on Jon's show or Colbert's, the stupidest thing you can do is to try to out wit them. All you are going to do is make yourself look like a fool. Chris Matthews was on Colbert last night and tried to be cute. Big mistake because Colbert will just sit back, smile and let you pee on yourself in front of the whole audience.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Stephen Colbert!
Oh, and the White House Correspondents' Dinner gig--that is forever enshrined in my personal History of Great Comedy.
...Par for the course at the O'Really Factor, BillO waited until/timed it for the First of TwentyOne days off by Mr Stewart. No Daily Show for 3 weeks. Hope Jon gets/fields an interview in the meantime.
Great point!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Beck is back on his show tonight but it seems like a rerun to me. I'm not sure if it's live or not. But here's a warning, he has Michelle Malkin as his guest. Even I couldn't take that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs
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We had a problem with the clowns that were sent by Dick Armey's group, who had the same talking points and behavior at the early townhalls. Also, the ones referring to Obama as Hitler and the like.
People come to town halls and even Obama rallys with f&^!n guns and nothing happens. The Repuke talking heads are all over themselves stating it's legal and all. Sure, so are T-Shirts, but if you were wearing the wrong one at any Bush rally you were given the bum's rush out of there. Repukes are so lame it's pathetic, and if it wasn't for the MSM/corporations they would be shamed; but nnnnooooooooooooo, they are given equal time to spout their stupidities.
This is the time of the day when I usually leave the computer until morning. It's so nice to end the day with a post that is not pissy and moaning about something. It's early Friday evening and it's good to fade away feeling relaxed and just having fun. Thanks for that. It's always fun to play with Bill or Beck. They are such easy targets.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Pissing and moaning?
It sounds like the clap.
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I have no experience with the clap so I wouldn't know. Just to set the record straight your honor, I said "pissy and moaning". Like a person making comments and just lashing out in all directions as they complain about something or everything.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Ohhhh....
I think we had one of those on another thread today...
He seemed to have a burr in his tighty-whiteys regarding Obama.
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And I don't think he wants it removed because without it, he'd have to find something else to be miserable about. What good is being all pissy if you don't have an available target?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
was complaining about BHO's lack of leadership and action on the health insurance reform issue.
Who isn't?
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Although O'Liely appears to recognize that Stewart is a satirist, he seems ignorant of what satire actually is. Stewart wasn't really trying to paint you knuckle-draggers as liberals. He was pointing out your hypocrisy. Get that through your ignorant pointy heads.
both in its production, and for its decoding. That is why most conservatives fail miserably at it...
Have you ever watched "red eye?" The two shows I have watched, granted not in their entirety due to the overwhelming train wreck they seemed to devolve into, follow the same MO: an early attempt at satire, but after 5 minutes the participants seem drained by the experience (as I said satire requires with, and ntellect comes hard to those without it) and then basically they all go "f*ck it, let's just be complete and utter pricks about anything and everything liberal," all washed down with a healthy dose of passive aggressive bullsh*t.
Pointy heads are deliberately designed to cause all cognitive dissonance truths to trickle harmlessly to the ground.
I have never heard anyone other than O'Reilly use that term. So he obviously spun whatever poll he was citing to make it look like protests against Bush were being perpetrated by "loons". Thereby, dehumanizing and villifying for his audience "the folks", who do not share his worldview.
All conflicts start with propaganda used to dehumanize and villify the target of aggression. The population will then support acts of inhumane treatment and violence.So Bill knows exactly the type of crap he was feeding his audience.
why loons? Loons are rather lovely, if innocuous, large water birds, minding their own business...surviving despite humankind's rampant pollution of their habitats.
What's Billo got against loons?
Beck just said we have to get off the fence. One side of the fence he defined as socialism and slavery. The other side he defined but never named. In his definition of the side he didn't name one of the bullet points was "in the fetal position" another on that same side was "freedom" along with "great rewards".
When he talked about the fetal position he said that 15 or 16 years ago he was in that position but he decided to get up and fight. He said if he hadn't decided to fight he wouldn't be where he is today. He followed that by saying he knew there were a lot of people who wished he had stayed in that fetal position. I guess he was reading my mind.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
How can one argue context in a world of sound-bites?
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The "No Spin Zone"! ROFL!!!
Hasn't BillO called Cindy Sheehan a "loon" or a "pinhead" in the past?
We don't call protesters Loons here at FOX Stewart.
You Pinhead.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
He needs to leave loons alone! I'd rather listen to the call of beautiful loons than him anyday. Hey, we have loons on our money here. Show some respect, fer gawd's sake!
Billo, may I suggest one of the following terms instead:
(a) sapsuckers, (b) coots, or (c) titmice.
Thank you.
I prefer titmice.
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I'm not surprised .... ;)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/422356499_...
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That's her!
:)
Big chuckle on that one CL :-)
'Talk to the hand'
Your lying reminds me of a schoolyard chant. It goes something like this: Liar, liar... pants on fire! Hanging from a telephone wire!!
This man, if I dare call him that, is such an effed up little boy he can't even hear himself. Pitiful!
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as if the arrested protesters were arrested with cause. A lot of them were arrested for demonstrating peacefully. As happened in Seattle in 1999.
How many "loons'" civil rights were violated during the arrests? I couldn't listen to his 2nd debunking...so much horseshit, so little patience for it.
PS: Notice how handy it is that TDS is on vacay for the next 3 weeks. No rebuttal. Billo thinks he's sitting pretty. It's not enough those sponsors left Beck. They need to leave FOX.
me-oww!
so little time.
It takes a small man indeed to resort to this kind of nonsense.
You hear me Bill you micro mental midget?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Isn't that what Herakles said in the Augean stables of Eurystheus?
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I thought it was Professor Plum in the study with a candlestick......
speaking of horseshit...
;)
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
even if I HAD a river to divert through FOX Studios (the Hudson, the East River?), I'd probably be shown to be a disability fraud, if I did so the Herculean way. I probably could have done it on my own before I was sick.
:D
me-oww!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48VHg8G2kC4#t=...
Every action diminishes him more, whether he realises it or not.
me-oww!
I've never seen that flick-I'll have to check it out.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
What Bill fails to grasp is that Jon knows that his show isn't real news and Bill thinks that his show is.
What's up with the expression and pose of o'really,
Is he trying to imitate Groucho Marx
Badly?
I didn't know bill o'really was a Marxist.
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"is he trying to imitate Groucho Marx?"
I couldn't say.
I can't bring myself to watch Billo anymore-even clips at C&Ls.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
if 45 percent of the viewers are liberal then what are the other 55 percent? surveys say that people that watch the daily show are smarter than the fox news viewers.
billo sounded awfully angry. and that gretchen woman started the obama isn't an american thing the morning after the republican convention.
Bill-O is just taking Stewart up on his Christmas offer from way on back... remember when Jon said "Make me your enemy" back in 2005?
I mean, come on guys, you know neo-cons... they're a little slow and a little backwards at times... they have that whole "unwilling to evolve" thing working against them. Plus you know his whole sense of self-importance is so great it almost has a gravitic pull to it. If the Earth gets knocked off its axis anytime soon, you don't have to blame chlorofluorocarbons depleting the ozone layer... just blame Bill-O's O-Ego.
STEWART: If Bill O'Reilly needs to have an enemy, needs to feel persecuted, you know what? Here's my Kwanzaa gift to him. Are you ready? All right. I'm your enemy. Make me your enemy. I, Jon Stewart, hate Christmas, Christians, Jews, morality, and I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium.
Bill O'Reilley is such a mental midget compared to jon stewart. so far beneath him there is no comparison to be made. Bill's entourage consists of like mental midgets.
Stephen Colbert on The O'Reilly Factor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QquTUR9nbC4
O'Reilly seems upset that the clips Stewart showed didn't tell the whole story, and were taken out of context. That's something Fox never does, right?
Popcorn
Popcorn anyone?
As others have noted, the fact that he did this after the DS goes on a 3 week hiatus shows just what a cowardly chickensh*t O'Really truly is. Way to go Bill, you really showed them!
...and he does a very good job of it! Keep it up John, you're entertaining, and maybe someday you'll be taken seriously.
To the contrary, it was direct, accurate, desperately needed and dearly deserved.
Jon is taken quite seriously, since there's little else in the media that qualifies as serious.
Other than the choice of subject (commenting on Bill O'Reilly's sham "reporting"), this is the furthest from entertainment and the closest to a cultural critique that you're gonna get on a TeeVee.
Just Sayin'... (TM, CNN)
that was brought up this week by the wingnut filling in for mark levin
ko was ripping rush about his lying in regards to never bringing up "death panels"
the wingnut ripped ko, not because he was wrong, but because he mispronounced levin's name (probably on purpose)
as for loofa boy...this has been his normal pattern
never mind the video tape...lust listen to what im telling you
There is something David Neiwert likes about Bill O'Reilly otherwise he would run away from O'Reilly. Whenever someone really despises O'Reilly but watches him despite the hatred we should call it the Sean Hornbeck Effect.
O'Really said: "Surveys show many protesters are simply loons."
Boy, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
Pardon my french, but BillO is a colossal pussy. He does this just when Stewart is going on vacation for three weeks. BillO knows Stewart will eviscerate him in response, completely embarassing BillO. Now he's got a three-week window of no response.
Not just a clown. Not just a liar. But a cowardly, lying clown.
Billo wouldn't know humble if it jumped up and bit him on his shiny white hiney.
Wonder who did that survey, whether it was a survey of all protesters or just those arrested? That would be a really professional survey that asks, "are you a loon?" If I was ask that I would certainly say, "Yes."
Can't explain the truth to a lying liar, like o'Lielly.
It's a little sad that he can keep his audience with excuses that lame. Perhaps I'm reassured he doesn't even try for consistency or rationality, but then again...
As Miss_Kitty noted, O'Reilly disingenuously claims he was only referring to the anti-GOP protesters who were arrested as "loons," completely ignoring the fact that many innocent, non-protester (and presumably non-loony) people were swept up because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and were held in a dirty warehouse on the Hudson for the duration of the Repub. convention, then released without charges being filed.
That's some loony justice, right there.
Actually, in a few cases, attendees of the GOP convention were caught (the NYPD literally deployed nets and indiscriminately herded people off the street into wagons) -- maybe they were the "loons" to whom he was referring. (I wonder what happened to those GOP conventioneers who were arrested -- who'd they vote for in 04 and 08?)
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