Oh great. I guess this means we can plan on yet another campaign season predicated on battling people who believe things that are provably untrue.
Newt Gingrich, on Sean Hannity's Fox News show last night:
Gingrich: One of the things in the health bill is 16,000 additional IRS agents. Now I think the average American doesn't think we need 16,000 health police -- they don't think we need a single health police. And it's interesting that that health bill has more IRS agents than it has doctors or nurses or people who actually do health in the bill.
I think, Republicans this fall, if they were to run as one of their planks, that they will never fund the 16,000 IRS agents, and they will block implementation of the $430 billion in new taxes.
And then put it straight to the country -- Do you want 16,000 new IRS agents? Vote Democrat. Do you not want 16,000? Vote Republican.
My guess is that, in fact, could be one of the five or six issues that could set the stage for a Republican majority.
Ahem. From FactCheck.org:
Q: Will the IRS hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the health care law?
A: No. The law requires the IRS mostly to hand out tax credits, not collect penalties. The claim of 16,500 new agents stems from a partisan analysis based on guesswork and false assumptions, and compounded by outright misrepresentation.
... This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns. None of those claims is true.
The IRS’ main job under the new law isn’t to enforce penalties. Its first task is to inform many small-business owners of a new tax credit that the new law grants them — starting this year — which will pay up to 35 percent of the employer’s contribution toward their workers’ health insurance. And in 2014 the IRS will also be administering additional subsidies — in the form of refundable tax credits — to help millions of low- and middle-income individuals buy health insurance.
... This figure originated with a report put out by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee on March 18. It said:
GOP Analysis, March 18: IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional auditors, agents and other employees.
Notice the words "may" and "as many as." This is the highest figure the GOP analysts thought they could support. Notice also the phrase "other employees," which covers everyone down to file clerks and support staff.
The analysts based their 16,500 figure on an assumption that the IRS budget "could" require an additional $10 billion over the next 10 years as a result of the law, a figure they attribute to the Congressional Budget Office. But what CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf actually said in a March 11 letter to congressional leaders is this (with emphasis added):
CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … [S]uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
Well, don't worry. Most Republicans believe that there are death panels in the health-care bill too.
And evidently, most Republicans also believe it's perfectly OK to lie through your teeth about your opponents' policies. Because that's what they're planning to do this fall.
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R E M E M B E R:
Newt Gingrich thinks America should be attacked... AGAIN.
Q U E S T I O N:
Why would a man favor a terrorist attack upon his Nation?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
to change the name of the GOP from the Republican Party to the Chicken Little Party. "THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! EVERYBODY BE AFRAID!! ALL OF THE TIME, BE AFRAID!!"
Fear is all they've got. It's all they've had since Nixon infested the White House.
And it's interesting that that health bill has more IRS agents than it has doctors or nurses or people who actually do health in the bill.
so, newt, you would like it if our health care system included govt doctors and nurses?
please, newt, get your shit straight before you lie.
When newtie takes a dump
It looks like a Dairy Queen Chocolate Custard machine was used.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Really good guys. We've got the financial system to regulate, millions of people out of work, Karzai joining the Taliban, Netanyahu mocking the peace process, the Haitian earthquake, a mining disaster and an overhaul of the health care system to implement and all the GOP wants to do is strategize how to win. I guess if that's all you know, that's what you do.
Personally, I think Newt is a pretty smart guy. Unlike many of the Repubs, Newt KNOWS when he’s lying. Of course that doesn’t stop him; it just makes him more dangerous.
... that Republicans have told the truth about of late?
The GOP: A Decade of Lies by the Liars of the Decade.
That is 3 decades at the very least!
This is exactly why I have Faux Noise blocked on my TV, so my children can grow up to learn the actual truth and not habitual lies that the media won't challenge.
block CNN too.
Sorry, I have CNN blocked also since they hire hate and racist talkers to compete with the complete lunatic, and dick-head Beck.
at PBS lately?
Something some might condemn prior to investigation; Link carries Al Jazzera english. The news of the world without politics. The most informative newscast most any night.
... as making sure your kids are armed with critical thinking skills.
I blocked Fox 6 years ago. Whenever I go to a relatives house, I block it there too! And I have lots and lots of relatives.
I justify this "as a mental health benefit" for those I care about. Funny thing is, nobody has complained about it yet! Hehehehehehe.....
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
I did you one better. I took my family's cable away. They thank me for it repeatedly.
The 16,000 IRS workers will be disguised as census workers. They're trying to health you.
this insane America hater doesn't own an airplane.
Who came up with that number
Those reponsible for tea bagger rally counts?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It's based on a mathematical algorithm:
Imagine a number between 120 and a lot. Then multiply it by four.
LOL
If GOP scumbags like Gingrich were to cease lying, the would dry up into little balls of dust and blow away in the wind.
They were bread to lie, cheat, and steal. It's what they do. There are many things in nature which produce no benefits other than their own existence; such as parasites.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
... the best way to improve our politics would be to make candidates for office campaign while wired with electricity.
The first time they lie, they would get a tiny shock.
The second time, twice as powerful.
And so on. Eventually, they would either have to stop lying, stop running for office or stop living.
Seems like the public wins in all three of those ways.
CaliforniaMike blogs at All Voices and at his own blogs, http://www.mikerappaport.net/onevoice and at http://oneminutewithmike.blogspot.com.
I'd lay on the button.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
It was shown with a study they would just shock themselves to death because they liked cocaine so much.
We need to repeat that study.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
That study was performed on rats. In order to apply here, almost all the rats would have to have been white.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
..into this but, torture is illegal in the USA. NO shocking the private parts even newtie's.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
But Obama says it's OK!
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_green...
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Now if Obama said its OK for you to pay private insurers for overpriced, anemic insurance policies, would you?
Today, we are all insured.
Sort of.
Not really.
I have proposed for years that they should have hot wires attatched to their balls during debates. Everytime they lie, wham!; a few hundred volts to the old scrodum.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
..doesn't listen to the authority they question gets the facts? Why do republican'ts like newt hate America and the American public so much they have to lie to them? Hooray for factcheck.org!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
And who does Gingrich, Palin, Limbaugh, etc., represent, other than an "authority" that seems to be accountable to no one?
can you possibly treat people any more like children than by lying to them about things that are demonstrably provable?
I think children are smarter than that. Try pulling the stupid smoke and mirrirs garbage on a six year old and see how it goes.
The people who still listen to the GOP, suffer from chronic stupidity; and you can't fix stupid.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
If not, they'll go after your refund. Maybe. They don't really need IRS agents. Bush appointee Shulman said they can simply rely on insurance companies. But he also said the IRS hasn't decided on an exact number of agents yet.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
but I'm going to.
This is one parasite on this nation that I wish would dry up and turn to dust already. He had his chance at ruining this nation in '94. STFU and let someone else have a turn blowhard.
Thanks for this post, David. I didn't know where the number came from or how it got started. Since the republicans mention it every five seconds I figured it was bs, but I didn't know the truth about it and the facts. Now I feel just a little bit smarter.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Keep blasting away at their lack of credibility, by November only the alternate universe corporate media will still boldly broadcast the lies to the shrinking minority of their sheeple.
When he was a mere lad of 10, Newt's mother asked him if he cut down the cherry tree?
Little Newty looked up at his momma with axe in hand, peering at her with his sorrowful eyes and said "momma, I cannot tell the truth, I didn't do it."
Satisfied that her son was a pathological liar - and a future political statesman in the republican party, she went back into the house with a smile on her face; while little Newty went out and convinced the kidergartner's in the neighborhood that their parents were going to take their toys away if they didn't elect Newty as neighborhood spokesman - at a salary of $5 a day of course.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Is this a secret admission, through lies, that the gov't does in fact create jobs?
.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agenc...
http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTables/T...
Yup. 4.2+ million = 0
The also believe Republicans are better for the economy:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/353...
Yup. Little more than a year after GWB and his GOP buddies drove our economy off a cliff American's are wanting to give them back the driver's seat.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
As I said above, you can't fix stupid.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
to add to the list of people to be banished from the USA for just plain being stupid. Jaysus H Christ these people should not be allowed to poison the gene pool of humanity with their galactical scale dumbfuckery.
... I'm the product of evolution and they're the product of Creation, all I can say is it's damned shoddy work.
he knows that most people don't like the IRS, so he throws them up as a straw man of a sort; the truth is that the IRS will check on compliance, and if you lie on that form you are setting yourself up for a world of trouble, that would be filing a false tax form (also known as tax evasion)
so yes, and i have verified this before, the IRS will function as the enforcement arm of the fed regarding the HCR, so the right has found its angle of attack. notice the quote says the "main job" of the IRS will be handing out rebates, nowhere does it say they are not the enforcer.
if you want to check go to factcheck.org
here comes one of their new agents right now...
http://sattlers.org/mickey/site/archive/2003/...
The problem is that while you were writing that first paragraph, they moved on to something else visceral and reactionary with which they can use to scare and control people.
why some people think Ron Paul is so great? Seems like just another asshat lying Rethug to me.
who's convinced that the health bill will require everybody to be fitted with a microchip with all of their health information on it. She got this idea from watching Fox News (where else?).
I told my wife that I like the idea of Regressives being fitted with a microchip in their brain that would cause them to crap their pants every time they told a lie. They would all be gone in a week.
It reminds me of an old joke about a dead Texan who was so big that the relatives couldn't find a coffin big enough to hold him. An enterprising mortician pumped the shit out him and they were able to bury him in a shoe box.
Something needs to be done about Fox News. I'm all for free speech and everything, but they have gone too far. The fires they are stoking are dangerous to this country. Their uneducated, backwoods followers see Fox as their sole source of news, and have probably never watched or read anything else. They're simply being fed a constant diet of ultra right wing hate speech; Obama is trying to 'take over' the country; he's going to take your guns, and your freedoms; he's going to kill grandma and grandpa......where does it end?
If they keep it up, how long do you think it will be before we have another Oklahoma City event?
Unfortunately, there's no cure for cancer.
There's chemotherapy, in which you hope the remedy kills off the cancer faster than the cancer can kill you.
There's radical surgery, where you excise the infected portion and hope you got ever last cell.
There's remission, where the problem seems to go away of its own accord, and you hope it never comes back.
None of these are real solutions for the disease called FOX News.
I'm not opposed to what they say, but how they say it. They sell it as fact without bias or agenda.
We need them to investigate all the Christofascist churches, all the corrupt politicians, all the corporations who arent paying their fair share of taxes (Exxon Oil, biggest profits in HISTORY, paid NO US income taxes).
Ron Paul’s claim regarding the enforcement of the health insurance mandate, "16,500 ARMED bureaucrats coming to make this program work." at 3:53 of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0lA6XCt3gM
Apologists are sad people.
Murdered a small child in the street in front of hundreds of witnesses, you'd find a way to apologize for it. You can take you false equivalence and stuff it, as well as your assumptions. You know what happens when you assume? It did to you, but not me.
Don't try to lecture me, noob. You asked for the link, you got it, and now you're trying to spin it.
. . . but it's nothing compared the public rip-off advocated by Ron Paul and his economic fools.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Eliminating the income tax is perhaps the most obvious, but returning to a feudal economy base upon the myth of gold isn't too far behind.
But it's not a rip-off for everyone. The extremely wealthy (and a few South Africans) would do quite nicely. OTOH, the majority of his followers getting paid by the hour would be screwed.
But arguing with a Ron Paul spammer is a waste of time and off the topic of this thread.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Paul-bots are just a waste as time and oxygen.
Oh, what the heck. Have you even bothered to give half a thought to the consequences of these policies? The idiocy that this country was doing "really well" before 1913 could only be expressed by someone who had never opened a history book.
Ever heard of "The Gilded Age"? The concentration of wealth into the hands of the very few hit its peak then.
Ever hear of population growth? Reverting to a gold standard would, by necessity, return that concentration of wealth to even fewer people in relative terms.
How about inflation, Einstein? Go ahead and try that BS line about inflation and debt, or how inflation is caused by fiat currency. Or you could take some 100 level courses in macroeconomics.
Aside from the hyper-inflation seen in various Third World countries, inflation is not caused by "printing money." The main cause of inflation is the approach of full employment and rising wages.
Moreover, inflation is beneficial to the vast majority of the US population. It is, however, often bad for bankers. With inflation, debtors repay loans with dollars that are less valuable than the dollars they borrowed. It's the main reason why the Paul-bot's favorite bogeyman, The Fed, has aggressively fought inflation since it's inception.
Ron Paul is nothing more than an attempt to push the same old right-wing nonsense on economic issues. And like the disgraced Republicans, Ron Paul loves to deceive the ill-informed.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
That's a Paul-bot definition. Open an actual economics text and you'll probably find this in the glossary:
Pretty basic stuff really.
As for why inflation is good for debtors and bad for creditors, I'm just going to cut and paste from my previous comment.
I don't really know how I can make that any simpler.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
But confusing hyperinflation in the Third World with inflation in the US is really an apples and oranges comparison. But that's what Ron Paul does, he provides the illusion of fact.
Unless, of course, you can point to even one example in all of US history. I won't hold my breath. You can't.
And the vast majority of Americans are large debtors, with, on balance, zero savings or less. Ever hear of a mortgage? How about a car loan? Compare what is owed to what is held in "savings," and the numbers are staggering.
Unless, of course, you'd care to point out all those Americans whose savings account is larger than their mortgage?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
There was hyperinflation on the Confederate side of the Civil War. I heard what sounds like ridiculous stories, of a loaf of bread costing $5000.00 Confederate dollars and people having to shop will wheel-barrows full of cash.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
. . . the Third World.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
. . . resorting to adolescent snark and ridiculous straw men every time they lose on the merits - which is pretty much every time.
Though I must say: It's seldom this easy.
I'm done with you. Have a nice day.
[When someone trolls you guys this hard, walk the hell away. This is a repeat tormentor, and the only reason he keeps coming back is because you give him what he wants and needs. He cares only about the reaction, not about what you have to say. He's laughing at you, and wasting your time.
Just leave these types of troll alone-Sitemonitor]
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Sorry SM, you're right. But I was a bit bored, and it was just too easy.
[The fact a vampire can get blood will always bring him back for more. I'd just as soon see HIM too bored with the place to quit coming back-Sitemonitor]
Corruption favors the wealthy.
MONEY.
He'll tell you the moon is made of cream cheese.
I think he's a lowlife scumbag who would turn on his own mother if the price were right....
or abandon his cancer stricken wife while she's laying in the hospital.....
oh sorry, my bad....
HE'LL DO THAT FOR FREE!
This old dinosaur is still around....geeesh!
Get ready for the old "lie machine" to wind up, as the election draws near for 2010. I hope we get the "truth machine" out in force, and show what f*cking liars these bastards really are.
Is that what you want, America?....f*cking liars and lies?
That money will be spent on informing BIG business about tax credits and administering subsidies to same businesses. As soon as Fox News realizes this, they won't mention it ever again, and in fact, attack anyone who tries to revoke it.
... David Niewert will be able to write a book rivaling Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
"And it's interesting that that health bill has more IRS agents than it has doctors or nurses or people who actually do health in the bill."
It's also "interesting" how douchebags like Gingrich use insufferably Dickish phrases like "I think it's interesting.." rather than say,"I think it's terrible" or "I think it stinks".
I also think it's "interesting" that the only accurate use of "16000" is in that this is the exact number of times Republicans have already used said figure to prop up this latest shameless fabrication.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
If we could slap a tax on hot air, we really would need all those extra IRS agents to collect it.
Well, there are. Sarah Palin wouldn't have said it if it weren't true.
This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns...
...and they'll be Transformers...No Robot Ninjas! And they'll have a claw & breath fire!
IRS gun totin', fire-breathing, robot ninja agents! It's true!
We should all write letters to Mr. Gingrich asking where exactly all these agents are being hired because we could use those 16,000 jobs.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
This Idiot much like the CLOWN faux nit wit network has NO credibility, this Racist, Nazi, KKK, White SUPREMACIST should have a klieg light fall on him ooowwww the Joy and Laughter watching his head getting split open, hahahahahaha!
Looks like another White Trailer Trash Idiot talking CLOWN bite the big BONER. Wonder how Boner feels about it, maybe he is serviceing is private stash, listen for the zippers going up and down.
You people actually act like there is a difference between the Repugokins and the Democraps... They have both done exactly the same thing to this country for many decades all the while trying to claim that they are "helping" us and fighting the tyranny of the other political party. With help like that, who needs enemies??
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