Have Americans finally gotten wise to the media's right-wing game?
Just about all the Village teevee bobbleheads -- especially the Foxheads -- have been trying to find ways to shuffle the blame for the economic disaster now upon us onto the man Americans hired to fix the problem: Barack Obama.
It seemed like everywhere you turned a couple of weeks ago, we were hearing about the "Obama Bear Market." Mind you, they were positively gleeful about it; after all, they know their own future success hinges on Barack Obama's failure. And it worked for a little while: the mau-mauing over Obama's recovery plan certainly didn't help the market.
But now that we're at over 8,000 again? Crickets. That's all we hear.
So now they're crying "socialism" -- or is it "fascism"? -- and hysterically warning against One World Government. I think we can all see the direction this is heading, and it's not a healthy one.
The public sees it too: A Washington Post poll reveals some unpleasant truths for the right-wing pundits who pat themselves on the backs for keeping the flock of True Believers who plump up their ratings, these masters of the media who wield the power to alter public opinion.
Because it ain't working anymore. The rest of the world is gradually abandoning them:
Media Matters has more:
The Washington Post/ABC News poll, released on March 31, asked respondents who they thought "deserve[d]" the most "blame" for "the country's economic situation." Results for who deserved a "great deal" or "good amount" of blame are as follows:
* 80 percent said banks and other financial institutions
* 80 percent said large business corporations
* 72 percent said consumers
* 70 percent said the Bush administration
* 26 percent said the Obama administration
They also observe:
The "Obama bear market" is just one example of a pattern -- documented by Media Matters -- of the media leaving out relevant information about the role of Bush-era policies in discussing the current state of the economy. For example, in a March 8 Associated Press "analysis," Tom Raum suggested that Obama is to blame for job losses since he took office and even before he did so -- an argument rejected even by conservative CNBC host and National Review Online economics editor Larry Kudlow.
Who'd blame Obama? Where was he when this mess was hatched?
Jeanne
People with ulterior motives, and the ninnies who believe them, that's who.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
this sh-ts going to hurt Obama big time if money doesn't start flowing into peoples pockets.
... they think everyone will fall for the same trick.
It is good to see that American's haven't lost their common sense along with their 401Ks
BTW, did anyone EVER hear these fucks refer to to the market as "Bush's Bear Market" ? Or how about:
Bush's 9/11 Fubar
Bush's Iraq Fiasco
Bush's Abu Gahrib Fuck up
Bush's Katrina Bungle
Bush's Plamegate Screw up
Bush's Economic Catastrophe
?????
Oh okay.
Most Americans aren't news junkies.
Who's face is going to be on the 20 DollorLooneyEuro?
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Good choice
I was hoping for at least d'Estaing or Reagan.
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This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone Mar. 26-29, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,000 adults including landline and cell phone-only respondents.
How many Americans have finally gotten wise to the fact 1000 adults does not represent the opinions of 310 Million people?
Duhhhhh go figure!
You obviously know nothing about polling. As our illustrious President said:
"I like to knwo what I'm talking about before I say anything."
Maybe you should follow his example.
Most polls are pretty accurate. See that +/- thing. It's called a margin of error. It's basic statistics. When pollsters do sampling you use a wide range of people from different groups and areas to try and gauge what the population as a whole thinks. You can't poll the entire nation it's impossible. The margin of error means that the percentage could differ plus or minus.
So now we know you lack knowledge on the markets and polling.
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+10! :-D
Stats was my favorite course in college. Bores some people but I like numbers and markets.
Wow, that sounded pretty geeky. I like women too!!! All kinds of women. And football....
That's better.
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It's ok... My boyfriend takes calculus for fun and we play D&D together...
So you don't sound anywhere NEAR geeky to me!
LOL!
Now that's geeky, I kid, I kid.
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And will be rbinging our future offspring up in the same tradition! lol
There's a part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk37TvIR8E
It's funny stuff.
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yeah, I'm more of a Trekki, but the bf's a Star Wars guy all the way...
*sigh*
"which button do you push to call your parents to pick you up?" -triumph the insult comic dog
Is that you MUST get people to answer the phone AND answer the questions truthfully...You can slant a poll by zipcode, time of day, demograhics [ age , sex, political leaning, religious affilition], and how the questiones are asked to start!
It is still in doubt as to the value of cell phone polling- as most do not take/or screen unknown numbers...
This video of Moyers/Black cast some doubt on the economic crisis:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/pr...
Get jiggie with probability theory, oh yeah. Break it down one time, divide by n^.5. Oh, hit me.
Reality'll do that to ya.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
a completely worthless bunch they are. It would be so nice to have a press in this country that wasn't so effing servile. I can't learn anymore from the press than I can from People magazine. It's downright sad.
I know some moderates and tradcons who are mightily pissed about their pensions taking a dump...
and they remember Who was Presidunce when it all came down.
and they remember who controlled 3/3 branches of govt.
and they remember dereg...
People with a shred of intelligence take notice when it hits them in THEIR wallet.
It's our job as citizens to keep hammering the truth home.
The hard core cons, on the other hand will continue to blame Obama/Carter.
Clinton is partially culpable. Oh well...
And what's more, the most OBVIOUS sign that the American people are finally wise to the media's right-wing game is that they elected Barack Obama, not more of McSame. Can't imagine what McSame would be doing right now. Probably shouting at "you people" somewhere in Europe.
It's not just the nose-dive in 2008.
He was responsible for the '29 crash.
The dot-com crash.
And crucifying Jesus on the cross!
And the fact that the market has picked up value in the last few months is thanks to that great genious and patriot, pundit and speaker, George W. Bush.
Hisself!!!
I'm not sure people are waking up. I'm just thinking they're starting to see who caused the nightmare that they keep seeing, the one all around them as they hope for a "Dallas"-style ending, where they wake up, and Clinton is smiling at everyone from the news. And no one has ever heard of Monica...
Wow, imagine an alternate universe where Clinton never met Monica?
What kind of alternate history would THAT have created?
Polls are BS and people are stupid. According to polls, at one point nearly 70% thought Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
See gump's excellent post to that effect above...
I'll agree with you that people are stupid, though...
Bush with the media's help pushed that bullshit in the lead up to the war.
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people usually tell the pollster what they want to hear rather then what they really think.
I think most people tell people what think. When a legitimate poll is done you're not told who the poll is for. that's bullshit.
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Yeah, people are flattered someone wants there opinion on politics often times. I know people asking these types of questions are the only telephone buggin' me people I'll talk to.
Have you ever taken a poll dude?
Make sure you don't. You obviously are incapable of answering honestly, like most people do.
What you are saying would hold water if it wasn't a huge margin in the poll. If let's say 50% thought it was GW and 45% thought Obama. Then you can legitimately pick at the design. It would take huge incompetence or intentional mismanagement to create a huge margin like this if no margin existed.
Maybe the poll is correct.
http://tinyurl.com/dnmw6h
A trader from the New York Stock Exchange taunts protesters during a rally against government bailouts in New York's financial district, April 3, 2009.
Here is a direct link to one of the most arrogant pictures I have seen in my life- link
Well, he doesn't have a neck, so money helps him, he thinks.
I can't resist the cheap shot...will all those c-notes replace the hair on his bald head? It reminds me of the saying "He knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing."
Who do you blame? You seem a little right of center. We need more of that in the latest C&L poll.
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Conservative. LOL
All of us
I spend within my means. I don't buy what I don't need yet live an enjoyable life. I invest smartly and not looking for a quick rich. I don't use credit cards (anymore). It's been almost seven since I charged a thing. When I vote I do a lot of people don't. I research politician and refuse to vote party line. I made my mistakes. I voted Reagan for his first term.
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I take back my +10, and you are forever condemned to Hell!!!
Just kidding :-) Of course we all made mistakes...
My parents came of political age in the Reagan years, and their mistake is to STILL think like that... But I still love them anyway :-)
But Reagan had a lot of us fooled (and he still does). I've always voted but he was actually the reason I became political because I felt he lied to me personally. I owe Reagan a lot. Thanks to him I learned not to vote for smile and a promise. Look at where we are where we are heading and learn about the candidates before pulling that lever.
Thanks Ronnie.
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Now that was a good reply...
I looked for that book the other day, the one about the "Reagan Myth" and how we need to overcome it...
I didn't see any on the shelves, and I was afraid to ask about it (I live in a very right-wing area)...
I'll have to go look again...
Haven't heard of book but sounds like an interesting read. Check Amazon, there's a few books with "Reagan" and "Myth". Is it "Tear down this Myth"?
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That's a cop-out answer...
I mean, that one's too easy, and too vague.
Do you blame societal norms that made "all of us" willing to watch our debt climb, etc etc? Or do you blame the banks and Congress who allowed those norms to take over their own thinking? Or do you blame specific people who espoused and/or embodied the ideals that didn't work?
I mean, it'd be nice to get a thoguhtful answer...
When all is said and done and the real facts become known about how we got the world into this mess, Bush and Cheney will be found totally guilty. They've succeeded in raiding the treasury before exiting and have it all stashed in offshore accounts.
was about when Junior came on board in 2000. I knew we were finished permanently if another Bush got in.
Now the FBI has "decertified" our electronic voting machines which were used to "steal Ohio" in 2004 with the help of Kenneth Blackwell, Sup. of Election during that time, who ran his tallies through an RNC server in a bank building in Tennessee.
In 2001, Jebbie and his consort, Katherine Harris, rigged the voting machinery there too so essentially, George W. Bush *#43) will probably someday be "expunged" from our records of presidents.
He NEVER was duly elected in either election.
the blowhards on fox are more hysterical and loud these days. They just assumed they could convince people and as it becomes clear they aren't they get more strident, extreme and loud.
After the violent rampage today, it's clear that ramping up anger and suggesting that we become armed and dangerous as Michele Bachmann did just last week is precisely what's contributing to the violence today.
Also, Pathetic Palin ramped up the violence at her "terror rallies" all over the country so she is also to be blamed for this heinous crime today.
People like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limpballs need to receive a "cease and desist order" for the DOJ because these people are directly responsible for the violence we are seeing in our streets today.
It's time to hold these aggressive, anti-americans totally responsible for their words and programming. It is this vile, hate-filled speech which is perpetuating this violence in this country.
Enough! Yank these frauds from the air using the Patriot Act. That's what it's for - now use it.
And why they keep talking about fascism, all they have are scary words.
to me, seemingly if not actually comparable to the fall of communism, except it was happening on our side of the ocean. Indeed, it was actually the South Ossetia thing that made me fall out completely with not just the GOP and their worst nominee since Warren G. Harding, but also with western media, which took a whole month to finally, grudgingly, admit that Saakashvili was at fault for starting the conflict. McCain's "fundamentals of the economy" comment paled in comparison to the stupid shit he was saying in support of Saakashvili's regime (one of the first Christian nations, knowing 41-year old Saakashvili for 25 years, defending Scheunemann's lobbying, etc), after having already repeatedly proposed to antagonize Russia for no sensible reason, and then, of course, those folks have only gotten worse ever since then.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/208...
But President Barack Obama wasn’t in a mood to hear them out. He stopped the conversation and offered a blunt reminder of the public’s reaction to such explanations. “Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.”
“My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
O kicks butt
One glass of water, no ice, no refills and no bread LOL
the funny thing, read the respondents, most of them think O is an idiot. Geez, this stuff needs to be aired for the nation.
Me and many other masters, with willful spiritual intent, we caused the crash that the world may know that when we are greedy we lose. Those that share will prosper. There will always be rich people and the poor will be abundant. There is a crack in the dam of prosperity and all will feel the flood of abundance very soon :)Don't "believe" me, watch....
between
-- right and left, or
-- Dems and Repubs, or
-- progressive Dems and all others
My take: The struggle is between those who think they know what's going on and those who do.
Isn't this amazing that we see how out of touch these braindead media whores and fascist sycophants actually are. They're totally "clueless" and people have found out what they're all about.
I suspect that we will see a return to fact-based news once again and the retirement of the yokels and jokers on CNN and Fox.
Only the lockstepping, kool-aid drinking, reichwingnuts are watching them.
The rest of the country and the rest of the world have totally eclipsed them and have moved forward.
These obstructionists and faux journalists are being (as LeHaye would say) LEFT BEHIND. And in the dust.
we've witnessed our power firsthand in UPS pulling their advertising from Bill O's show. Several other sponsors have responded positively that they will also be pulling their ads.
It's time to get the power back to the people and wrench it away from fascist corporations who have been aided and abetted by every Republican in office.
I'd like to give them my business :-)
...abusing the public until they are compelled to behave responsibly. They are in the business of defrauding the public in order to pursue of their own agenda, instead of serving the public interest, as they are required by the terms of their FCC licenses. They are never going to stop their abuses of the public until they are compelled to do so. Yes, free speech is Constitutionally protected, but fraud is not. IIt is probable that what they are doing likely qualify as RICO crimes.
There are things the Obama administration can do to clean up the cesspool that is the MSM. He can begin by ordering that the FCC be restored to integrity, and then direct that the FCC once again put upholding the interests of the People as its principal concern. He can also order the DoJ to investigate anti-trust issues against the 5 corporations that control the TV and cable media and the 3 corporations that control >90% of radio media. There must be forced divestiture and a return to the old limits on media ownership. This can be done, because the MSM is a coordinated cartel that exercises de facto monopoly powers, and it has methodically used its monopoly powers to relentlessly abuse the public. The DOJ should also initiate a racketeering action against these corporations, based upon wire fraud, and the like. These corporations easily satisfy all the hurdles that trigger cuplability under the RICO Act. I imagine that the CEO's of these corporations would find such actions to be sobering developments.
President Obama can also do one more thing. He can refuse to credential the propagandists in whole or in part from access to White House press conferences. When he is eventually challenged for such a move, tell the public exactly why he has done it, explicitly naming them as liars, deceivers and manipulators.
That these lying propaganda instruments are owned by powerful and rich corporations in no way means that we the people have to tolerate their abuses.
The Democrats took over both the Senate and the House in 2006. The big drop in the housing market (which started this whole mess) did not start until 2007. Hmmmm, maybe there is a connection.
People like Barney Frank, who was a champion of Fanie May and Freddie Mac, said that there was no problem with the government forcing banks to write mortgages for houses to people who could not afford them. He and other Dems stood in the way of Republicans who tried to warn people the the Housing bubble was going to pop soon and that there would be hell to pay. This gets us where we are today. So, who really is to blame?
The president is not responsible for writing the bills that put us in this mess. Congress is. (I learned this in middle school.) His part in this is that he signed them rather than veto them. I don't think that GWB is blameless in this whole mess but he is not the only one that needs to saddle up to the table and grab a piece of that pie. The House and Senate has a reserved seat there too.
And, don't forget that Obama was a Senator that voted on the same bills that got us here. Yet he tries to pretend that he did not have anything to do with it and that it is not his economy. Near as I can tell, he helped make it. You make it and it is yours, so, it IS his economy.
with the 110th Congress. Tom Tomorrow said it best.
So where'd you get the copy-paste text from? Redstate? BillOtheClown.com?
First paragraph:
-The big drop in the housing market did not start this mess. Deregulation of the housing market, and the bundling of sub-prime mortgages for sale as securities plus grift within the mortgage industry started this mess.
-Due to filibuster rules and the unwillingness of the slim democratic coalitions majority (being 10 votes short of cloture) to make the GOP actually filibuster, the democrats were unable to get jack sh!t passed that GOP/president didn't want passed.
Second paragraph:
-link to Barney's statements please?
-which Republicans were warning us of the crash? please provide references.
Third paragraph:
-actually, I agree here. General statements that stand true in general terms.
Forth paragraph:
-Record of Obama's votes on said bills would settle his "guilt". Please provide links.
I encourage the use of links/references if you are actually trying to convince others. Facts speak for themselves and are hard to refute.
Since C&L was mentioned on FOX News the other day the trolls are spewing their talking points here. Look at it as a compliment. C&L is starting scare them.
Alright, who sent you guys? Malkin, Beck, Hannity? Certainly not Limbaugh, they don't know how to use the internet tubes. It takes them four tries to dial Limabaugh's phone lines correctly after a six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
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but in all fairness, I did call the lot of them a bunch of jackasses this morning. I tried to remain civilized but they were spewing their rant about how pollution isn't harming the planet and that elements to reduce that would make us all poor. I tried to remain calm, but I just didnt have the will power. Stupid jackasses pissed me off.
Good post, very good... +10!
sorry about that
Barneys statement that FM/FM where doing fine and GWB administration warning of trouble to come.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/ne...
Obama's voting record in the senate that shows he voted yes on the second economic package that set up TARP and that he voted yes on the Concurrent Budget Resolution which is the budget limits for the next year. Not only that, but, he missed votes that could have stopped some of the out of control spending that he railed against during his campaign. He helped get us in this current mess through a mixture of voting for the serious spending bills and ignoring the rest of the votes.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?...
but this little piece of fiction won't work here.
I won't even plug in the facts for you, because quite frankly there are others here that are so much better at it.
on the off chance that you aren't just a troll looking to make yourself feel better, let me try common sense with you: explain to me how the middle class and poor deducted trillions from out economy? Do you believe that the government could ever tell the Banks what to do (ever)? Which party does Gramm belong too, cause brother, he is the smoking gun if ever their was a cretin deserving of a hanging?
Now go put your sheet back on and head back to red state....
because you are lacking information. Barney Frank had a relationship with a man called Herb Moses. He was a high level executive at Fannie Mae from 1991-1998. Mae boasted that he helped develop “many of Fannie Mae’s affordable houseing and home improvement lending programs.” It was these programs that led to the collapse of the subprime mortgage maket that wiped out TRILLIONS of dollars from the economy and produced the economic turmoil that we now face. Barney Frank oversaw Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and kept resisting reforms. Frank was quoted when the Bush administration proposed oversight of Fannie & Freddie to the Treasury Edpartment: “These two entities…are not facing any kind of financial crisis…The more people exaggerate these problems the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” Frank, who oversaw Freddie and Fannie continued to claim almost until the day of the collapse that the two mortgage giants were financially sound.
Just because he's a Democrat doesn't excuse his complicity in this fiasco.
Now go back a wallow in your ignorance.
As the election proceeded people on both sides wondered who would want the job right now. Everybody knew Cheney/Bush were leaving a monumental mess. Most people haven't forgotten that little fact.
Barney Frank isn't the reason for our global meltdown Foxgensia. The problem is 1% of the people get 50% of the income and call it redistribution if you try to get some of it back for the rest of us. The problem is 85% of the wealth is held by 15% of the people. They have voraciously eatten so much of the money that low and behold there, now there's not enough left for the rest of us. So we will have a global crisis making sure to make more money, give the vast amount of it to the people who have been robbing you from the beginning.
Why is it that they edited Matthews in at the 0:38 mark to make it look like he was one of those blaming Obama when he was actually quoting Limbaugh with contempt?
the 26% the think Obama who has been Prez for 2 months is the cause of the problem? Could these be the same idiots that think Bush was a good president? Could these be the same idiots that think Iraq ran planes into the twin towers? Or could these be the same idiots that think Bush and his social security and stock market combining were an excellent idea? Maybe these are the same idiots that think that Bush torturing people is lawful?
I am glad that most blame banks and Bush for our financial problems but I certainly fear that 26% that think Prez Obama had something to do with it.
between the KKK, and the southern nut job contingent - yep that would be about 26%. IMHO, it would be around 6-10% if Obama was white.
Now that the market has rallied I don't hear any of the reich wing cretins in that video referring to this as the "Obama rally" or the "Obama bull market". Hello, wingnuts? Are you there? Hello?
*crickets chirping*
No doubt we will pull out of the Bush recession and when we do, repeat ad nauseum for the next 3 1/2 years "Obama bull market" all the way to Obama's secend term!
26% of the country is that dumb? That's pretty sad. Maybe I should knock over someones lunch on purpose and blame them. See if that kind of logic floats in the real world.
in this poll? Are they not the corrupt minions that vote and pass legislation that allowed this fiasco?
26 % ( Minimum ) of this country are as dumb as a box of rocks , these are the same pea brains who think Bush and company had done just a fine job . These idiots should not be allowed to vote , seriously .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
Obama is telling the banks how much money an exec can make. Okay, you might not agree with the bonus's, but, they where contractually obligated and where provided for by congress. Obama 180'ed after public opinion shifted and the House broke the constitution to scare the recipients of the bonus's to give them back. It was something that I would expect from the Mafia. Democrates from the House, Senate and State Attorney Generals (Cuomo was the worse) threatened these people and their families.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/203...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...
Barney Franks wants to limit exec pay to ALL companies in the US even if they did not receive a bailout.
http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...
The government is trying to take control of all aspects of the private sector, from banking to health care to the auto industry. Can anyone here honestly say they trust the government enough that they believe that the government will stop at just a few sections of the private sector? Do you really think they will stop at that? No, they will not. Turbo Tax Gietner to the rescue!
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view...
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