Hearing footsteps: Rove sounds freaked out at notion of torture prosecutions
By David Neiwert Wednesday Apr 22, 2009 7:45am
Karl was positively freaking out yesterday afternoon over the prospect that some of his ex-colleagues at the White House might wind up being prosecuted -- or held responsible publicly -- for helping George W. Bush install a torture regime during his tenure, after President Obama's statement earlier in the day indicating he'd leave the decision up to the Attorney General.
Rove, appearing on Sean Hannity's Fox News show, was particularly frantic -- and when Rove gets frantic, he gets nasty:
Rove: Sure, as long as they've released the limits to which America will go to extract this information, let's share the information that was extracted, and saved America from further attacks. We know, for example -- it's already a part of the public record -- that the interrogation of these high-value targets kept them from being able to attack Los Angeles by flying airplanes into the Liberty tower, the tallest building in Los Angeles, which was one of their plans.
But look, let's step back for a minute. What the Obama administration has done in the last several days is very dangerous. What they've essentially said is, If we have policy disagreements with our predecessors, what we're going to do is we're going to turn ourselves into the moral equivalent of a Latin American country run colonels in mirrored sunglasses. And what we're going to do is prosecute, systematically, the previous administration, or threaten prosecutions against the previous administration, based on policy differences.
Is that what we've come to in this country? That if we have a change in administration from one party to another, that we then use the tools of the government to go systematically after the policy disagreements that we have with the previous administration? Now that may be fine in some little Latin American country that's run by, you know, the latest junta. It may be the way that they do things in Chicago. But that's not the way we do things here in America.
Hmmmm. Last I looked, Chicago was here in America.
But more to the point: Karl's sounding like someone who's already looking over his shoulder at congressional subpoenas.
And even more to the point: Sorry, Karl, but working for the White House is not a Get Out of Jail Free card. If you broke the law -- and particularly if you and your pals are war criminals according to American law for having not merely permitted but avidly constructed a torture regime -- the appropriate justice needs meting out.
Of course, we keep hearing about how Torture Saved Us From Terrorists -- notably the overhyped and debunked "Los Angeles Tower plot."
Funny thing about that -- back in 2006, it was Wiretapping Saved Us From Terrorists.
Yes, the same overhyped "plot."
Rove will have to do better than that if he wants to stay ahead of those rapidly gaining footsteps.
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The posts where I don't use name calling,(granted few and far between) and present you with a rational argument, and tear town your argument point by point, well you just skip those pesky little posts riiiight on over dontcha?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeAobvNIgrc&fe...
I heard something. Every time I tried to do THE math there was a "to"
in the problem. Instead of 5 "plus " seven it was 5 "to" seven.
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But you sound just like a gooper when you say things like that.
generally it has been hard to tell when Rove Pot is nervous--as he generally is a bit sweaty and shifty. but, as you point out, it is obvious he is feeling a bit worried these days. although, i am not sure what part rove would have in torture prosecutions. other than just being the asshole that crafted the political message to defend the bush admin's use of torture, i'm not sure if he is in legal jeopardy. as much as i hate to say.
the NYTimes lead article today (In Adopting Harsh Tactics, No Inquiry Into Their Past Use) really helps put our actions in perspective: we adopted tactics used by the likes of pol pot and spanish inquisitors. nice company there.
Not much cause Mc Connell crashed and burned .( But left a electronic wake)
See there could have been a live feed so the torturers dick, condi and george tortured virtual real time.
You know stick it up him a 1' more i think he'll break now.
Mc Connell is the guy that rigged the Ohio Treason 2004 Voter Fraud to overthrow the will of the American people.
And that leads to Germanic Karl. See that's not so hard is it?
I did notice that his rather expansive forehead was covered with more beads of sweat than usual.
He might not be as involved as others in the torture issue, but if this ball does get rolling it might just expose some of the other crimes he's more complicent in.
were arrogant and sloppy. There are a lot of loose threads poking out of the snarl of villainy they left behind. Tug on a couple of the threads and a lot of criminal behavior will be revealed. They are all interconnected.
All of them should be scared; the smarter ones obviously are worried. Bush still has his idiotic smirk.
That my dear friend...is what's commonly referred to as a fivehead.
If a near earth asteroid gets within range, we can aim Roves massive fivehead and deflect it!
I think we should turn his head into a massive solar collector, he could easily keep five medium sized Midwestern cities in power for months on end.
but the question is, which five cities?
What cities would even want it.
I mean everyone wants cheaper power bills, but really who want to be responsible for employing Rove for any job.
He isn't fit to clean our sewers...On second thought, he does know he way around them! so...
It could be made part of his prison sentence. His payback to society for his crimes.
This comes with subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXvG0E3s4wo&NR=1
just itching to pisado on Karl's tumba.
Why don't the links to "overhyped" and "debunked" work? I keep hitting a "page not found"
Poor fat little treasonous bastard...can't do the time, don't do the crime...
Sorry, traitor, I got NO sympathy for ya.
I hope you ROT in prison.
This wormy asshole needs to be worried. He's lived in an isolated bubble for nearly a decade, and it's starting to become apparent to him that he's back in the real universe now. He needs to be in jail.
Now CHICAGO isn't part of their "real America"?
is Rove doing making brainless commentary ANYWHERE?
As long as that ****bite is walking the streets as a free man it can stand as living truth that
Some people are above the law.
He outed a frapping CIA agent fer ****sake!
He has no business being anywhere except as a defendant in a court of law.
If FauxNoise existed during WWII they would have featured Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally and Lord Haw Haw as commentators.
policy difference. I say criminal conspiracy. What the heck. Let a special prosecutor sort things out.
...if I don't join in on the jerkle circ just yet.
I certainly hope Karl & Yoo and Gonzo and everyone else who legitimized torture and pretended it was for the nation's good get what's coming to them. I just won't celebrate until it happens.
The fact that they still get face time on TV - hell, that fact that they're not in prison jumpsuits right now - makes me wary justice will ever be served.
proves FOX learned nothing from the Limbaugh experience with the medium. Angry fat white guys died with Gleason.
Drunk, fat and angry is no way to go through life, son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM
If Karl is so concerned about America, why doesn't he appear on a legimate network / news show that's broadcast to all Americans, as opposed to only speaking with the likes of Fox and Hannity, and to those who are most easily suckered?
Karl, go on 60 Minutes and tell it to Anderson Cooper. Can't face real questions or scrutiny, Karl?
He's got NOTHING.
But lies.
Valerie Plame case still pending??? Rove subpoena still outstanding??? Hmmm.
Oh Geeze, the wingnuts have already jumped the gun. They can't get out there fast enough. I thought for a minute that Karl was going to cry.
the overhyped and debunked "Los Angeles/Liberty Tower plot."
the 'debunked' link doesn't work...
Maybe that's because he's entertaining his bunkmate.
are not necessarily synonomous.
... nice of the NYT to finally get around to saying something, but Barry Bonds uses performance-enhancing drugs in his quest for #756, and there's a vast hue and cry - gotta have hearings, gotta have charges, gotta hold someone accountable! He's no longer fit for Cooperstown, gotta put an asterisk on the frackin' ball!
Gays and lesbians want the right to marry, and it's Ohhhhh GOD! Death of the family! It's in the Bible! Moral imperative! End of the worrrrrrrrrrld!!!!!
Torture. *Yawn* "What's on tv tonight?"
And the media is still having this fake debate about the validity of torture, citing Admiral Blair's 'we obtained high-value intelligence' and ignoring his later words about the cost to our reputation and that it isn't necessary for our national security.
... is a failure to prioritize.
When this evil pig goes to prison, he'll be that traumatized "the fat guy" convict in the "Shawshank Redemption" who got beat to death by the prison guard in the beginning of the film.
"But I don't BELONG here!"
"We have a winner!"
"You don't understand! I'm not suppose to be here!" Lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
Yep, here's another F you from a Chicagoan. I do hope this creature ends up in jail where he will be for the rest of his life. I hope his days are filled with demeaning work and his nights are filled with the howls of dying Iraqui civilians and their loved ones, playing over and over in his brain.
The bestest thing ever would be to see George W Bush treated like the corrupt Mexican chief of police (I think he was chief of police) in the movie "Traffic" when he is carted off to the hoosegow.
what we're going to do is we're going to turn ourselves into the moral equivalent of a Latin American country run colonels in mirrored sunglasses.
like the ones we historically have propped up and supported? those colonels?
the tortured logic of Rove Pot: by exposing the bush admin's use of torture as policy, we are like Latin american dictators? huh? if any US admin was like a "mirrored sunglasses wearing colonel" it was the bush/cheney junta.
i never thought rove was a political genius, but i am surprised to see him this desperate... it must be the aforementioned 'freak out'
Exactly right about which side of the mirrored glasses Rove is on.
"what we're going to do is we're going to turn ourselves into the moral equivalent of a Latin American country run colonels in mirrored sunglasses."
"...like the ones we historically have propped up and supported? those colonels?"
That was my reaction too. How many of exactly that kind of regime has the US, and especially American conservatives, held up as anti-Communist lions and dear, dear friends of Democracy? (And not just in Latin America.)
"...we're going to turn ourselves into the moral equivalent of a Latin American country..."
I think BuchCo. already did that. Now Obama is trying to bring you back to "the light".
will have to limit travel outside the United States. We're to soft on white collar crime (or international in this case) here in the U.S.
Wrong.
this thing is just now starting to pick up steam.
Karl?
Fuck You.
The wheels of justice turn too slowly sometimes.
If I were you I'd check out what accessories go well with orange. And remember, a pack of smokes is equal to one hand job, or so I hear.
I suppose so, especially to those responsible like you, you doughy, little, pantload.
...maybe the water is getting warmer? maybe.
... might be investigated. What were the Vegas odds on that, Karl?
He already has been investigated and will be again. He's known i[t] and FOX News has known it.
And they hired him anyway.
Don Siegelman
Actually Karl that's exactly the opposite of what he announced last week.
junta meme was referring to the evil Chavez handshake I would suppose
"Prosecuting because of policy differences", WTF are you talking about Karl? They going to prosecute you and all of you little Rovians because you broke the friggin law. And when you finally go to jail, we won't have to see that pudgy little face of yours ever again!
dont you know that?
rove is as stupid as his ex boss...
ITS THE LIBRARY TOWER YOU FUCKWIT
and the entire story was made up
the library tower is not an important edifice in socal
if that was what they extracted through torture...then the terrorists were lying
and rove...the evil one...knows this
Did the terrorists get Charles Whitman to carry out the attack?
Since this is a Niewert thread, I bet his excellent book The Eliminationists, does not mention any connection between right wing broadcast media and Charles going beserk atop the University of Texas Tower. Of course in 1966 LBJ owned all the broadcast media in Austin, Texas except KVET and KNOW, which were owned by former Johnson aides or cronies.
ol' Chucky actually had a brain tumor that might have had something to do with it all. Never heard any mention of any political issues.
and he loved his mama. Before he killed her.
"we then use the tools of the government to go systematically after the policy disagreements that we have with the previous administration?"
Does he mean the way the GOP dragged this country through the mud prosecuting Clinton after a fucking blow job.
Fuck him and the GOP.
BRING IT ON BITCHES!!!!!!!
I'm new here and will not do Huffington Post anymore. A troll gets on their and lies his ass off and you can not call them out on it. It gets filtered out and you get put on a list so every comment you leave has to be approved. Your post was great. You can say it like it is here. I have just found true freedom of speech. And if Rove ever goes to prison he will probably become a bitch. But maybe not. I know I wouldn't touch his ass with a 10 foot pole.
Hey Karl: How's that cake walk in Iraq going.
Geez, Karl, my little round brown asshole just bleeds for you....Oh, sorry, it's YOUR little r.b.a that will be bleeding. Hee, hee!
Tick...tick...tick...tick...
....just counting the moments until we actually get to see turd blossom perp-walked out of his hole...
tick....tick....tick....tick....
The Bush Administration are nervously sweating like the busted torturous pigs they are.
Where did we put that rope Saddam broke-in?
No, that was his over-weight brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1KtScrqtbc
The Obama administration isn't saying he has "policy differences" with the previous administration.
The president is talking about members of the previous administration who broke the law and violated the terms of the Geneva Convention.
Very different.
Why isn't KKKarl Rove in jail?
keeps us focused on the future?
"Think of the future!"
Valerie Plame
End of message.
..what will or what has been distributed by the CIA when this topic comes up?
Home movies of turdblossom when he was just a little dingleberry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rs0cVg4M_A
But who did they get to play Bush?
A policy difference? A POLICY DIFFERENCE KARL? Torturing people is no policy difference! Prohibition of torture is international law as defined by the Geneva Convention! A law that YOU knowingly and willfully broke. The consequences of your actions have placed future US captives lives at stake without any international backing! Karl... you disgust me.
Let's see... we also have a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION...
and a PARTING OF THE WAYS...
or maybe an IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCE...
which will lead... HOPEFULLY...
to a TWENTY-TO-LIFE absence...
which will NEVER make the HEART GROW FONDER.
Will they next consult their in-house perps like Rove from behind bars in the Big House? Or will they simply wait for him to send grainy videos from an undisclosed location in Paraguay? Faux's pretense of Fair and Balanced reporting is LONG gone. Why didn't they interview someone who considers international treaties and the US Constitution as important parts of this discussion - or at least worth glancing consideration, for jeepers sake - rather than the one person on their staff most known for having no scruples AND facing jail time for the very issue he is debating? Need I ask...?
in a vice like grip.
In your cell, do you"
Why dont we release the effectiveness of the techniques? Because the effectiveness of the techniques DOES NOT MATTER. The effectiveness of the techniques is irrelavent. If pulling someones toe nails out would produce a truthfull statement one hundred percent of the time, would we then use that as a common practice? NO. So lets all just stop this mindless time wasting argument right here and now.
Not his usual happy, smiling dumb ass self. No, I think this guy is shitting his pants about now.
Do everything you can to equate a nation of laws to a junta someplace in "Latin America"...in your dreams. We're coming to get you rove, and all the crooks that walked the halls of the stained White House. I'd LOVE to see cheney in chains. I think we could make a few songs about that scenario.
Desperate, scared, and in the safety of vannity and the propaganda outlet.....he must live in a nest similar to what we found Sadam hiding in now. I am feeling better already!!
There is a big difference between torture and interrogatiion. What we did was not torture. It was nowhere near it. I am glad that we had people in the last administration who did what was necessary to protect us. I'm sure that Nick Berg wishes he was subjected to our techniques instead of what really happened to him.
What they did was the same thing that people were executed for after WW2.
!
..I don't think its OK for your son, daughter or any of your other relatives to be dragged off the street, taken somewhere in a plane bound and gagged, beaten, taught enhanced breathing techniques under water, head-slammed or any of the other things that the international agency who determines exactly who tortured who, could've been done to them be done to them. If you're OK with it, fine. I think you need help but FINE.
another hit and run troll said yesterday.
It was tough guy bullshit yesterday too.
Go away troll.
and back in the stall where we belong.
You bastard!
Do you have ANY concept of how unpleasant it is to laugh and cause spicy V8 to rocket outta yer nose...
damnit...
I think I'm gonna have to buy a new keyboard.
It is after noon in Florida. Drink the damn vodka straight!
much time in the keys...that's how we roll.
A small drinking village, with a slight fishing problem.
you guys wouldn't have spent fifty nine years
drowning in your fears of Castro playing McArthur on your beach.
so ya can't blame that on me!
However...you CAN blame me for drinkin all the PBR in the upper keys on any given weekend.
You have no redeeming American values. Your attempt to insert Nick Bergs death with US torture policy shows how morally bankrupt you are. You probably practice goosestepping with your children too.
Get the fuck out of my country traitor.
Well said!!!
egg salad?
I kindly refer you to your post @ 10:09...feedin teh troll I see.
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denial and demand that you check my previous posts, as I will allege to have done with yours, then we can argue who has been posting longer. If you get the upper hand I will drag out your time out with Sister Annie in the Transgender Saloon. Then you can accuse me of liking Beck.
Dude...that's hilarious!
I received high marks on my SAT for comment reading regurgitation.
Either hang him or run him out.
It's the American way.
just givin them a wee taste of their own medicine...
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People are trying to kill us every day, and we have to do whatever is necessary to protect ourselves. and once again, waterboarding isn't torture. Damn, these people aren't even protected by Geneva. they have no protections from it.
You scum bag liar. Phuch yoo.
Paranoid much? Officer Barbrady.
are feeding it again. At least identify it first!
http://www.whatsthiscaterpillar.co.uk/america/
well it's obviously to hairy to be either the dreaded "el rashbo" caterpillar, or the "rovian small dicked" caterpillar...is it the "mealy mouthed ari" caterpillar?
Yellow Bellied Sap Sucker? Oh wait, that's a bird.
The people not covered by the Geneva Conventions are = 0
They wrote them like that because there will always be 28% of the population that can't think rather feel this MIGHT work. There. Combatants/Civilians the people you talk about reside on the slanted line.
We need protection from Geneva?
If it wasn't torture, and against American law and International treaties, why the need to get specious legal authorisations from Bush/Cheney legal advisors?
..I'd rather stick needles in my eyes.
Hey Turdblossom, methinks you doth protest too much!
I was reading a letter that someone, (and I apologize that I couldn't find the name or the letter for inclusion here), who asked the CIA to do exactly what CITIZEN Cheney asked of them. As a CITIZEN, he had every right to also ask the CIA to release ALL the information and memoes and such. We are all waiting for the CIA's response!
My optimism is improving; the story is still alive!
Appoint a Special Prosecutor today!
Rove and Cheney and everyone who was involved in the implementation of these war crimes are concerned. That's why Cheney keeps speaking out. He'll keep speaking out until he feels that he and his associates are not in danger of being put away.
martydom if they do try and put him away. A real man would go for the Virgins as the grand prize.
I think everybody's being a bit hard on Rove. The guy's got a point, and I can empathize because I've been in a similar situation. I once got upset about my neighbors playing their music too loud so I set their house on fire. Then all of the sudden they're pressing charges against me?!?!?! They think i shouldn't be able to burn their house down while I think I should be able to. We don't agree, but come on, are you really going to prosecute me over a difference of opinion? What is this? Some kind of latin country run by colonels with aviator sunglasses?
This is about seeking justice for all those guilty of torture, and the organization of torture. This is about setting a precedent for future generations to look back and see that there are actually consequences when you make criminal decisions in seats of power.
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to become something of beauty is well known.
You win the zinger of the day!
that's why they like Limbaugh so much.
Rush's cocoon has gone beyond ripe. I don't want to be around when that thing emerges.
and will emerge as a giant sweaty amoeba with an unhealthy liking of boys from the DR.
Crythalis meth?
Keep in mind the connection between the Bush administration, fascination with Hungry Caterpillars, and the events of 9/11. Do not put this thread at risk of being the victim of a government plotted pseudo terrorist attack. Straighten your tin beanie!
You're right!
Windy in those upper keys it gets.
after I have Cuban food.
for the Cuban mess. Don't blame me either.
I hate them Mavericks. From Dallas. Not the band. Raul rocks.
Truce then?
Those missiles I had in Turkey were obsolete anyway.
I would think it would be something like the emergence of one of those really fat nasty "Tomatee worms" with the big red horn...... Eeeeeeewwwwww!
I didn't even think he knew that word. It certainly applies to him and his criminal offenses. HE is the criminal here. ONLY IN AMERICA can a murderer sit on TV and snipe at the President.
I say remember Nuremburg? Those guys "were just following orders" from der Fuhrer, weren't they? We used piano wire on them.
We should follow the law and repeat the lessons of history. That way maybe they won't be forgotten again.
A concept that's in short supply in wingnuttia these days.
Who's the nut, dick?
You are. Because President Chavez is a world leader
and you are just a thug punk trying to weasel out of a hand man's noose.
The FOX machine
is wearing no clothes
its bare naked how these chums
clean each others pipes
A wealth of comedy
watching these mofos squirm
Rove said in the same breath here, that Obama's good intentions didn't work with our enemies. That it didn't work in Europe.
Did Rove just call Europe our enemy?
But your correct that Karl (Marx) Rove is wetting his pants over the possibility of a special prosecutor.
And Karl, May I remind you that you and all the GOP spent everything on Clinton's consenting sex with an adult. A special prosecutor was assigned and wasted this nation energy and tax money for what?
This is Fantasia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ca_edg6RE
A-bede A-bede A-bede............smells like barbecue around here.
...perhaps her pink panties are in a wad. Maybe he's realizing that their MIGHT be some accountability for his, Cheney and Bushes "I AM KING mentality" and their aciton of "to the devil with the Constitution...I AM THE DECIDER" I agree with some of the other post: I hope he gets gang raped in the joint...every day for the rest of his life. What they dished out to Clinton is coming home with vengence...and justifiable.
AI Qaeda and Taliban terrorists are taught to expect Americans to abuse them. They are recruited based on false propaganda that says the United States is out to destroy Islam. Treating detainees harshly only reinforces that distorted view, increases resistance to
cooperation, and creates new enemies. In fact, the April 2006 National Intelligence Estimate "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States" cited "pervasive anti U.S.
sentiment among most Muslims" as an underlying factor fueling the spread ofthe global jihadist movement. Former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora testified to the Senate Armed Services
Committee in June 2008 that "there are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U. S. combat deaths in Iraq - as judged by their effectiveness in
recruiting insurgent fighters into combat - are, respectively the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo."
read all 230 pages here: http://armed-services.senate.gov/Publications...
"If we have policy disagreements with our predecessors" - no Karl it's not going to work this time. This is a matter of what laws were broken when and by who - not "policy disagreements" - nice try.
I know because I tried that one last night when I got pulled over after having too many beers - the officer didn't seem to grasp my point about he and I having a policy disagreement about whether or not drinking and driving is against the law. The policy I operate under doesn't state it is against the law. Now he wants to lock me up over a "policy disagreement" - silly country of laws!
None.
prove it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1740...
That's some scaaaaaary shit!
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
The US are signatories, and the Supreme Court enforces treaties: U S Constitution, Article III, Section 2. "The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--"
knows that waterboarding is torture. Torture is against international law. Everyone knows that except for uneducated traitors like you.
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007...
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