The Hutaree militia: At the crossroads of Christianity and terrorist violence
Prosecutors late last week, at a bail hearing for members of the Hutaree militia, played tape recordings of the kinds of things the Hutaree leaders were telling their followers. As I suggested back when the busts occurred, the evidence makes clear that these "Patriots" were telling the public one thing to present a "good citizen" face, while they were telling their followers quite another.
CNN has the audio, and it also presents a portrait of an apocalyptic religious cult that believes it's up against the forces of Satan, embodied in government workers, law enforcement officers, and United Nations soldiers:
"In this nation, we think we are free, but you need a certificate to be born, a license to drive, a permit to build, a number to get a job and even a paper after you die," says David Bryan Stone Sr., 45, the alleged head of the Hutaree militia, accused of conspiring to overthrow the government and plotting to kill police officers.
"These are permission slips from the terrorists organization called the new world order," Stone says in the tape, which was recorded clandestinely by an FBI agent who infiltrated the militia and obtained exclusively by CNN.
... "People in this nation as well as some around this world are waiting for those individuals like you see sitting in this room to actually make the decision to go to war against this evil, greedy new world order," Stone says on the tape.
"They need leaders who are not afraid to stand up and actually mean, 'No more.' We are free and we should not be afraid or ashamed to admit that we are the American militia. We outnumber them. As long as we let them terrorize any American through fear and intimidation, then they are winning this battle and we should step up to the fight that they have started and finish it."
... "Every day, we watch ever so close for those evil blue helmets to appear on our streets -- but as long as through Interpol, law enforcement mercenaries called the brotherhood working for the new world order are doing such a great job, then we don't need to watch for these foreign armies to come to our shores. They are already here," Stone says.
The striking aspect of the audio is the way Stone's rhetoric is essentially a logical outcome of basic Patriot-movement rhetoric about the "new world order" and "sovereignty" -- rhetoric that is nowadays gaining wide currency at Tea Party rallies and on their websites. Indeed, as we've been reporting for some time, the Tea Parties are fundamentally a revival of the '90s Patriot movement, this time with the blessing of official conservative-dom.
We've frequently discussed the political dimensions of this trend, but there's also an important religious component to it as well, an apocalyptic one brought into stark relief by the Hutaree folks. Frederick Clarkson at Religion Dispatches has a good piece examining this dimension in detail:
In the 90s other terms were used to describe what we might now call Christian militias. The most famous militia group at the time, The Michigan Militia, had views similar to those of the Hutaree. It was founded and led by a Baptist minister named Norm Olsen and a deacon of his church and they’d made an indoctrination video of its chaplain addressing new recruits explaining that abortion necessitated the founding of the militia. Nevertheless, it was typically described as “anti-government.” And while that was certainly fair, (as it would be to describe the Hutaree militia as anti-government), it also tended to obscure the indisputable religious motivations of this and many other militia groups large and small. Reporting on these groups at the time also tended to downplay their religious eschatology.
... RD contributor Chip Berlet, correctly I believe, wrote that the ideas of the Hutaree are analogous to those of such Christian Right leaders as Tim LaHaye and Pat Robertson. But if we follow Robinson, shall we say that LaHaye and Robertson are not followers of Christ? Or do people stop being Christians only when they commit or are alleged to have planned to commit violent crimes? If so, having appointed ourselves as the arbiters of apostasy, we then cannot describe such people as Christian terrorists or Christian militias because by definition they have auto-excommunicated themselves.
Meanwhile, as David S. Bernstein in the Boston Phoenix observes, the Hutaree are almost certainly on the tip of the domestic-terrorism iceberg:
Now, a year later, as we approach the same dangerous date, things have only grown worse. The Southern Poverty Law Center has documented a rise in militia and “patriot” groups. Mother Jones and the Progressive have described well-armed, conspiracy-soaked extremist groups like the Oath Keepers, which exist on the edges of the conservative movement. The FBI last month arrested nine members of the religious Hutaree militia in Michigan, accused of plotting mass murder of law-enforcement personnel. And passage last month of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act triggered people to throw bricks through Democratic office windows and send death threats to elected officials, prompting extra security measures for not only members of Congress, but even the nonpartisan Senate Parliamentarian.
The April 15 Tax Day Tea Parties will undoubtedly ratchet the anti-government rhetoric even higher — followed, incredibly, by large pro-gun demonstrations on the hyper-charged 19th itself. (Organizers say they are commemorating the Battle of Lexington.) One of those events, near the nation’s capital, features among its speakers an Alabama militia member who called for the brick-throwing, and who later explained it as a warning to Democrats about the likelihood of greater violent resistance — “a thousand little Wacos,” as he put it.
Given all this, it would almost be surprising if there are not any “lone wolves” or “small terrorist cells” preparing to strike.
The fact is, there are millions of Americans who genuinely believe — based on information they receive every day from television and radio, and from elected officials and “respectable” organizations — that we have an illegitimate (by virtue of his foreign birth) presidential usurper, installed to power through a fraudulent election, who, with his Marxist allies in Congress, are running an unconstitutional government and pushing our nation irreversibly on a path to a secular, despotic regime.





"At the crossroads of Christianity and terrorist violence"
And the intersection of the GOP and Teaparty lane.
These folks are NOT conservative. They are radicals just like the GOP.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We can accurately call these pathetic people any number of names, but the fact remains that they are the contemporary faces of a social movement quite well described by Pulitzer Prize-winning historian, Richard Hofstadter. I would suspect that Mr. Neiwert has more than a glancing awareness of Hofstadter's work, and I hope he will encourage all who post herein to become thoroughly aware of the Paranoid Style in American Politics. Those who fit Hofstadter's description are now armed, organized, and dangerous; and they are NOT going away.
Question authority..
Where were these patriotist when Bush / Cheney were in office..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc60JmaLbE
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree
Hutaree is a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. [1] The group was formed in early 2008.
Why can't these people just trust the government? When will they understand, our government is only looking out for our safety and best interests? And that is should never be questioned.
curtilingus wrote: "Why can't these people just trust the government? When will they understand, our government is only looking out for our safety and best interests? And that is should never be questioned."
I can't help but remember that is almost exactly what the current Teaparty crowd was saying quiet seriously as liberals objected to Bush's Patriot Act and Iraq War and Gitmo. Y'all can't have it both ways.
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http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust...
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex.
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly.
A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
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This is the same Eisenhower who (along with MacArthur and Patton) "evacuated" the Bonus Army in 1932 by burning down their encampments and driving the men, women, and children out with poison gas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
So Deaconbear,
You trust the government NOW? Even though Obama and the Democrats reinstated the Patriot Act. Even though the warrantless wiretapping continues? As the wars continue? As one of them escalates? You trust these people?
Try for something clever.
See daily show and Colbert report. sarcasm works but it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Was "See daily show and Colbert report." being sarcastic or ironic?
I love it either way.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
accepting new applicants.
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this dude sounds like Kermit on coke?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
What were you doing in the eighties? :P
Corruption favors the wealthy.
just observing.
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Hate to tell you folks - we already have a new world order. The world isn't run by the citizens, or even national governments. The world is controlled by the multi-national corporations.
Monsanto forces farmers to buy their GMO seeds every year, and crushes those that don't.
Walmart sets unrealistic price points for their suppliers, and closes down mom & pop shops wherever it goes.
A handful of media corporations tells America what to think.
Defense contractors have the world's governments by the short hairs.
In the U.S. insurance companies deny coverage, cancel accounts by recission, and declare you unfit because of pre-existing conditions.
Our government is not a bad thing. The founding fathers intended government to be, "Of the People, By the People, For the People".
We, as citizens, must take our government back. We must wrest the reins of power from the corporate lobbyists and restore balance to our political system. Supreme Court rulings like Citizens United must not be allowed to stand if we are to survive as a democratic republic.
if you're in a wresting mood.
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Yeah. RIIIIIGHT!
It was corrupt and illegitimate from day one: http://www.fr33agents.com/2697/lies-my-countr...
There is no evidence of an injured party therefore the prosecution has no standing. A good defense attorney will get the "Hutarees" set free.
they are inmates. That's how it works. Threaten law enforcement, and pay the price. As it should be.
any evidence of an injured party? Yes or No.
You don't need an injured party if you can prove an intent to injure.
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aren't many people who can read minds.
Regardless, it was a Yes or No question.
from the Gettysburg Address, where some people argue Lincoln redefined America.
true enough, multinationals rule the globe, but they are not socialists, like the lunatic fringe characterizes them, but monopoly capitalists.
our current president "Bloody Barack" is doing nothing, nothing, to rein in their power.
and while we worry about the Hutaree, people are actually being killed,
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/world/asia/...
so yeah, our government is just swell, notice how our elected officials are leading the charge to do whatever it takes to strip our new "corporate citizens" of their brand-spankin' new free speech rights, which they gained courtesy of the supreme court; yup, our reps are really looking out for the peoples interests.
That's a quote from JC himself. Christ did not advocate violence. I don't know how these people can reconcile their actions with Jesus of the New Testament. Yes, question the government. Do not advocate armed revolution when there is no good reason to do so (though I know they think there is good reason. There was much better reason during Bush-Cheney. But I digress).
"you need a certificate to be born, a license to drive, a permit to build, a number to get a job and even a paper after you die,"
He might have added the number you get when you go to prison.
"Hell, you gotta have license for a goddamn dawg. But any butt reamin' asshole can have a kid" Keanu Reeves in the movie Parenthood.
A certificate to be born? Damn, I knew that there was something I forgot to do before I came out of my mother's womb.
Then there is Beck today predicting that soon we will be eating each other because we will have nothing. If that isn't like lighting a match in a room filled with gas, what is? He is also calling for radical action.
Are these people really religious or are they using religion for some sort of protection, like some ministers do when they are taking money from old people and promising them a place in heaven?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"Soylent Green" another good movie. Goddamn, is life going to be imitating art? Well, on second thought there is "A Face in the Crowd" with Beck as Lonesome Rhodes.
Once you go down that road to patent seeds, and patent DNA of the seed, then whats next? soon they'll patent eyeballs, and other body part, maybe patent a new form of animal for food supply.
As wildlife become extinct thru the years we may be dealing with replacing them with Monsantos new DNA livestock.
At what point should citizen fight back corporate takeover of Govt? If people nip it in the bud, they'll be look upon as over reacting fanatic radicals, if they wait too long, it'll be another Hitler in power egomaniac. We are at a snail pace helter skelter syndrome where our rights are slowly but steadfastidly being strip. Most of us are being numb to submission, as George Carlin points out you are owned and paid and bought for.
give us gas? If so, wouldn't a match be necessary, especially if it is too cold to go out?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Ever light a fart?
... But why is it illegal to plot to overthrow the government? Didn't the Founding Fathers put in several provisions in the Bill of Rights just for that purpose?
While I think Hutaree and the like are taking the wrong approach, I do agree with the idea that the economic and political power in this country has become too concentrated. That over concentration has made our country far less democratic then it claims to be. It is explained well here: http://www.co-intelligence.org/CIPol_democSoc...
seems like a workable alternative does it? Lose an election, start a revolution. There's always a losing side isn't there?
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It sounds like some of Beck's writers are visiting here today.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
He, like the C Street Senator from Oklahokie, is a deacon. See if he survives the half hour free membership before his passport number turns up when the NWO agents analyze his link. Hope you are wearing your tin foil Brer' Bear.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
... but the levels of unrest in our country do point towards some deep problems in our current condition. I'm actually fairly liberal, but my interest in social justice has made me aware that when people feel politically and economically powerless, they turn towards revolution and violence. In inner city slums it's gangs, in middle America it's Tea Parties, but the root cause of unrest is the same. They are all filled with people who feel that they have been robbed of control over their lives, and that physical force is the only way to get it back.
If you really have an interest in social justice, then you know that violence inevitably taints the perpetrator and gives justification to the oppressor.
... but it is the next course of action that humans seem to turn towards when the "proper channels" of political and economic action are denied them or rendered in effective.
I don't intend to make excuses for them, but to simply write them off a "nut cases" without addressing WHY they feel and act the way they do is also not a solution.
Another social justice lesson: To offer a visible way out of a problem, we have to be able to see the problem from the eyes of the person we are trying to help.
is to avoid a violent revolution. We abide by the rules that the majority pick our leaders of our choosing. That process is in danger, if the corporate media tries to circumvent this process by picking our candidate for us.
The tea bagger are more behind Ron Paul then they are of Sara Palin, as much as C&L keeps painting Sara as their leaders, the polls show that Ron Paul is way ahead of her.
Ron Paul is also winning the polls just as he did last time around, and creating quite a headache for the RNC. If he isn't allowed to be in the debate for the candidacy again the second time around, I smell big trouble. I see this backfiring on the Republican pushing the second amendment, the right to bear arm, with many more fired up protester and militia being form around Ron Paul platform for less govt.
... can exist whether or not there's a fair election. All it takes is someone to whip up a bunch of gun-toting kooks who think it's their constitutional duty to overthrow the government if they don't like it.
Show me WHERE those proper channels have been denied or rendered ineffective.
The election process still works. Republican Scott Brown won where everyone thought Martha Coakley would just waltz off with the late Sen. Edward Kennedy's seat.
Legal decisions, both in favor of conservative views and against them, are routinely being made by the courts.
Economic policies may not be perfect, but we have UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, for crying out loud. Show me a dictatorship where this kind of social safety net exists.
The claims of tyranny, broken government, economic oppression - that's all right out of Glenn Beck's book.
For someone who claims to be interested in social justice, you're awfully quick to carve out legitimacy for folks like the Hutaree.
The breakdown of the proper channels isn't a matter of Republican or Democrat, it's a matter of super-wealthy or not. The breakdown is when multi-national banks are too-big-to-fail but struggling families are evicted. The breakdown isn't a matter of unemployment checks, it's a matter of being willing and able to work hard, but having no job opportunities. The breakdown isn't in willful ignorance, it's in a public education system that is so bogged down in bureaucracy that our graduates lack the learning skills to compete with those afforded a lifetime of private schooling. These are the same problems that have, for decades, been the root of inner city violence. The big city liberals and the mid west conservatives have the same unaddressed problems.
As for Hutaree, their proposed methods might not be legitimate, but their humanity is. Dehumanizing them as wackos would keep us from learning anything about preventing others from deciding to follow a similar course.
Glenn beck and other media, the so call the fourth branch of govt, the free press, have been shaping who gets to be the candidate by denying some of the candidacy of their choosing and not the polls. But Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were stronger then most of the candidate and yet the media drop them from the debate.
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of some evil others in defiance of fact or reason they do seem to get a little antsy don't they? It's still no excuse.
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of Independence.
Point of logic: If the New World Order is so powerful, how are a bunch of dumb asses with guns going to overthrow them? Just wondering.
They won't overthrow jack.
The answer is not violence, it's disobedience.
The only power or legitimacy any government has is due to compliance.
When enough people stop complying, things will change.
... it specifically addresses overthrowing the government.
It doesn't.
The 1st Amendment may be seen as protecting ourselves from tyrrany within through the linked freedoms of speech, press, religion, and assembly PLUS the right to petition the government for the redress of grievances.
The 2nd Amendment may be seen as protecting ourselves from tyranny external to our borders, protecting the security of a free state.
Funny how the right will use Jefferson's writings to defend their 'fighting against tyrrany' codswallop, but ignore what he wrote to the Danbury Baptists.
According to The Federalist Papers they were trying to avoid a standing army, but did not want that written explicitly, as an expressed limitation, because they could foresee certain contingencies. Their solution was the state militia, not some vague pool of eligible men, but the state militias, where the states couldn't challenge the Feds need for their troops, but also to protect their own borders (colonies of Spain and Britain surrounded the 13 Colonies and they anticipated their trade being attacked).
There was also the constant threat of pirates and smugglers.
Now the "patriots" are the pirates and smugglers.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
This is not necessarily a call to violence, but it is a call to declare independence.
Once independence is declared, it is usually the government who gets violent.
they can escape having numbers....
in Antarctica....
They couldn't make it to Kentucky in the cold and they live in Michigan.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
You need a certificate to be born? HA! That's pretty funny. Crazy doesn't always mean stupid but the two often walk hand in hand.
"Stupidity has a certain charm - ignorance does not."
Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The silly thing there is that is "tyranny" from the state government, not the feds, and not the NWO.
The tyranny from the feds comes in the form of a bunch of the number of the beast that you have to have just to get job or open a bank account.
Can't wait for April 19th, and the 'open carry' rally in D.C. that's going to be chock-full of 'The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms so we can overthrow a tyrranical government' crowd.
....Stone dropped on his noggin' when he was a kid?
MZ
"In this nation, we think we are free, but you need a certificate to be born, a license to drive, a permit to build, a number to get a job and even a paper after you die,"
It's called living in a society. You know, a nation of laws.
Prosecutors allege that a dizzying array of drugs, weapons and even a collection of speeches by Adolf Hitler were found at the homes of several of the alleged members of the Hutaree Christian militia.
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Fundamentalist Christianity is among the most clear-cut expressions of a Manichean dualism in American society. Its world is divided into good and evil, black and white. In turn, this kind of dualism signals a propensity toward authoritarianism, or what Erik Erikson called totalism: the eager embrace of a totalitarian society.
Religiosity has been almost universally recognized as an important element of any manifestation of fascism in the United States. As early as 1935, Sinclair Lewis observed: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." More recently, scholar Robert 0. Paxton remarked that "religion... would certainly play a much larger role in an authentic fascism in the United States than in the first European fascisms.
A brief look at our history seems to substantiate these predictions. Earlier forms of fascism in America were explicitly “Christian” in nature. This is particularly true of the extremists who formed small but widespread societies around neo-Nazi philosophies and admiration for Hitler, most notably those led by the crypto-fascist mystical “philosopher” William Dudley Pelley in the 1930s.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Since when was it against the law to plot something? To make a plan?
To prepart?
Okay, the next logical step. arrest the boy scouts, girl scouts, the military, the police and the local governments. Reasoning, don't they plan to kill, for food, for protection, and to repel? All illegal as above. But the cute item out of Detroit is that the snitches that worked for the FBI were in the leadership of the group. Any one say setup?
Mr. Neiwert, I would argue that your final paragraph posted herein above is an oversimplification. Mr. Obama may have become the Great Satan for some of these pitiable people, but he is not the only fly in the ointment for the majority of these paranoids, teapartiers not withstanding.
Having monitored the teapartiers' 'public' events, I've come to the realization that they are fewer in number than the media would have us believe. The members of this rather small group are regularly worked into a furry by Fox--using such shills as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
However, a toxic level of discontent pervades our nation, crossing the traditional 'boundaries' of color, creed, SES, gender, AND politics (and the extent to which it is shaping public discourse today is definitely a cause for concern). Furthermore, this pervasive discontent is not attributable solely to the dire economic distress with which most of us contend on a daily basis! Our species is fundamentally FUBAR, with the majority of adults slip-sliding into puerile name-calling and fearmongering when they feel they're being backed into a corner--particularly if their personal beliefs are challenged.
Let's not forget that close to half of this nation alone is functionally illiterate. Moreover, many of those who CAN read lack basic comprehension skills.
Sigh... This conundrum will make us or break us. I struggle to keep wearing my rose-colored glasses, but a truer statement than "ingorance is bliss" would be hard to find...
In another thread it was pointed out that a majority of these "teabaggers" were mainly white, and upset with the fact that a black man becoming president. In addition, being functionally illiterate does not excuse not using one's common sense and basic sense of compassion.
In part...
"In order to establish a conspiracy offense it is not necessary for the Government to prove that all of the people named in the indictment were members of the scheme; or that those who were members had entered into any formal type of agreement; or that the members had planned together all of the details of the scheme or the 'overt acts' that the indictment charges would be carried out in an effort to commit the intended crime. "
Study the symptoms not the virus...
where were these rightwingnuts when bush/cheney were destroying our country and other countries. these wingnuts wanted to kill police officers and then kill their wives and children at the funerals.
Screw due process, [Deleted-Sitemonitor].
Let’s assume for a second that these militia groups are right: the Government needs to be forcibly overthrown. For argument’s sake, let’s assume they succeed. You win. You get everything you want. No more numbers, no more taxes, no more oppression, no more UN, no more Big Brother.
Now what?
A post-apocalyptic world sounds really cool for a week-end get-away. In the movies you get to watch civilization crumble while eating buttered-popcorn. In reality, these militias would not survive.
Destruction for the sake of destroying is not much of a plan.
couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag against your standard SWAT team, which is why their plan involved ambushing law enforcement.
Maybe Dave can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is kind of new for the militia movement; they're usually slow to target local law enforcement and quick to target feds. I'm thinking of the way Tim McVeigh decided not to pull his pistol and have a shootout when he was pulled over.
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Crossroads, uh huh...huh...huh..
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Militias are of the State, with regulations written by the Fed, not just a bunch of dumb crackers picking up their pop guns.
And who called for the New World Order?
pappa boosh.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
These folks live in a universe of fear -- the gummint wants your mind!
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They can't lose what they ain't got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAaTzccCik
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
So this must be the "new world order" that Bush Sr. , head of the Bush crime family , was talking about .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
Clearly, the IMF, Bilderberg Group, ACTA and G8 Summit _tell_ the U.S. government what they will do, so fill in "New World Order" with those groups and others, and what's the problem? Lots of luck getting the minutes of their negotiations so we can have an "informed public," and we're _way_ past congress actually ratifying treaties when the president can just carry back the "agreements" these summits come up with.
So where is the guy delusional -- except in believing the majority of Americans already understand these processes and are waiting for him to take action against them?
Addendum: Well, I downplayed the last paragraph. The guy is white trash in thinking shooting the cop on his beat is an act of revolution instead of going after the international capitalists themselves. I don't think Lenin's rally cry to the crushed proletariat was "Shoot your neighborhood cop" so that's what these guys lack. Vision.
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