Hutaree militia planned to attack, kill law-enforcement officers and their families
Well, the facts are now being made public in this weekend's militia bust in the Midwest, and it isn't pretty:
Six Michigan residents, two Ohio residents and an Indiana resident have been indicted on charges of attempted use of weapons of mass destruction in connection with their membership in a Lenawee County Christian militia group.
Members of the Hutaree -- including a Michigan couple and their two sons -- conspired to oppose by force the authority of the U.S. government, according to a release by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Detroit.
The indictment unsealed in U.S. District Court today claims that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices rigged with projectiles, which constitute weapons of mass destruction, according to the announcement by U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade.
You can read the indictment as a PDF here. Of particular note is this:
The general concept of of operations provided that the Hutaree would commit some violent act to draw the attention of law enforcement or government officials and which would draw a response by law enforcement. Possible such acts were discussed including killing a member of law enforcement after a traffic stop, killing a member of law enforcement and his or her family at home, ambushing a member of law enforcement in rural communities, luring a member of law enforcement with a false 911 emergency call and then killing him or her, and killing a member of law enforcement and then attacking a funeral procession motorcade with weapons of mass destruction. These acts would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement, diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective.
The general concept of operations further provided that, once such action was taken, Hutaree members would then retreat to one of several "rally points" where the Hutaree would wage war against the government and be prepared to defend in-depth with trip-wired and command detonated anti-personnel Improvised Explosive Devices (IED), ambushes, and prepared fighting positions. It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would serve as a catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the Government.
CNN explains further:
According to the plan, the indictment said, the Hutaree wanted to use improvised explosive devices to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession. The indictment said those explosive devices, commonly called IEDs, constitute weapons of mass destruction.
Subsequently, the indictment said, Hutaree leader David Brian Stone obtained information about IEDs over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams to a person he believed could manufacture them.
He then had his one of his sons, Joshua Matthew Stone, and others gather materials necessary to manufacture IEDs, the indictment alleges.
According to the indictment, David Brian Stone and David Brian Stone Jr. taught other Hutaree members in June how to make and use explosive devices.
The only funny aspect of all this: As Blue Texan at FDL observes, the right-wing blogosphere is falling all over itself to dream up excuses for these guys.
Meanwhile, Ed Brayton reports that Mike Vanderboegh, the ex-militiaman who called for bricks to be thrown through Democratic office windows, has simultaneously denounced the Hutaree and then suggested that the arrests could still spark "civil war" from the militias.
Hmmm. I can remember when I was being called an "alarmist" for pointing out that we were heading down this road.
What the hey - send these turrrsts to Gitmo! Give 'em military tribunals! Arrest anyone in any militia that remotely had anything to do with them.
Isn't that the Republican Way???
if we waterboard Christian terrorists? Is it terrorism if it is done by right wingers?
Tune into FOX and find out...
"enemy combatants" to me.
militia radio.com and see for yourself.i listened for three hours last night,that was enough.
don't bother,it's only music now.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
Vandals break window at Democratic Party offices. Vandals indeed.
http://www.adn.com/2010/03/29/1204028/vandals...
Christian = American Taliban
Christian Militia = Domestic Terrorist
By not following the law and planning to kill law enforcement officials, who usually swear to protect and defend it, I'd say they also plan to shred that sacred document. These people are INSANE.
can you imagine being a fly on the wall at a meeting with these fucking retarded goobers??
What they were planning is particularly horrific and resonates with those of us who live in the Seattle area.
However, it does seem like we are expanding the definition of "weapons of mass destruction" a little bit. Perhaps for an ex-post-facto justification for the Iraq war? I thought WMDs were supposed to refer to things like atomic bombs and widespread chemical munitions, capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people at a time. If "mass destruction" = "the number of people that you can fit into a car" then the term has lost all meaning (other than "weapons that the other guys could potentially use".)
that the Bush administration expanded the definition so that it would include the insurgents road side bombs.
manner and individuals in another, so I pipe bomb would accurately be termed a weapon of mass destruction if possesed by an individual.
have CEO's, CFO's, MBA's...and lots of ei..ei..o's.
Why don't these shi*heads protest the WTO?
when they say they're after the anti-Christ. And then it came to me... they'd asked the officer for directions to Dick Cheney's house and he didn't tell them.
Trying to take back their "freedom and liberty" that they lost somewhere...
Oh, and thanks Glenn Beck and thanks sheep media ABC, CBS and NBC that never calls out the BS....
Straight out of Al Qaeda's playbook.
in those tactics.
hint: they usually go by 3 letters that mean terror and right wing dictatorships to many people in the worlds third world countries.
rush to their defense in 3...2...1..
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...to make excuses for these people--on the internet or elsewhere--I'm afraid I don't find that funny at all.
christian militias
radical conservatives
torture for freedom
war for safety
sarah palin as role model
i really just don't get it.
fascist.
TFR
I went to the public forum on their website yesterday. (Warning- wear a condom or something). I had to stop reading when a sympathizer told a detractor that at Judgement Day, Jesus would empty a 40 round clip into his face.
I'm not, y'know, kidding.
^
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYIRbmxHpc
those lunatics recite that verse for verse.
Who Would Jesus Bomb?
and you won't until you put down your copy of 1981 and start drinking the kool-aid
Why ain't these dern terrests git'n gitmoized?
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
Susie's post on him included links to an interview he did with some
internet "radio" program. In it he seemed a brick or two closer than his host to a partial load. He gave a historical treatise on the Civil War in which he argues that the government needs to fire the first shot. He felt firing on Ft. Sumter was a mistake by the Confederates. He probably thinks the Hutaree erred in planning the first move.
TFR
If what they're saying in the indictment is true, that is the dumbest recipe for revolution I've seen in a long time. Kill a cop, then kill the cops who show up to mourn for that cop. That'll win the hearts and minds!
These guys are not rocket scientists . LOL
these are serious dudes,with weapons.and they want to meet jebus.and our tax dollars trained most of them.ex-armed forces(and their kids),oath keepers(currently serving military and police),Xtians rushing the 'rapture'(I didn't get my invite),and haters of every stripe.and remember.god is on THEIR side,they got a country to take back.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
The U.S. Constitution clearly states,
Section 8 Powers of Congress; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
Congress did not call forth this nor any other militia. These groups are illegal and are domestic enemies. Therefore, these paramilitary groups must be outlawed. Someone, such as the Honorable Congressman Grayson should draft and introduce legislation banning all militias not authorized by Congress.
If these militias fail to disband then the USG need take criminal action including, use of lethal force.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
Or whatever name Blackwater's going by these days.
Prince's private army is quite troublesome especially, when Blackwater (Xe) is not subject as a militia per se, to Congressional oversight but, is regulated as a government (freelance) contractor.
A slippery slope that Blackwater has used to great advantage in justifying murder and more recently rape of it's own female employee.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
Bridgeman, Michigan is in the same area as Holland where Prince is from. Guess it must be the water?
Legalized killers.
NOBODY 2012
these groups are actually the Insurrections that the militia's are meant to be called up to suppress.
Lead the charge, buddy.
Well, at least he has his Government disability benefits to fall back on if the shit really hits the fan. Good for him. It's good to have some security and piece of mind in these crazy times.
Good. Because their couple AR15's aren't going to do squat against the US army.
Once a few of these militia nutjobs are wiped out perhaps the rest of them will start acting like citizens instead of acting like the American Taliban
Works for me. Since we are at war with terrorism, we should "invade" the homes of these militia assholes, take them to Gitmo,
tortureenhanced interrogate them, then put them away without any charges and/or trial for 8-10 years.Isn't that what we're always being told that true 'murcans really want, in order to be secure in the blessings of Liberty?
...are intellectualy bankrupt.
They can offer no new ideas, as is clear from scribbles found on this forum.
Just smart-allecky doodles.
Form without substance.
run of the mill progresives. Your point is what?
^
I've been a hunter for over 30 years, and I use a .30-06 Remington 870 when I hunt. I have a 5-shot clip, and it takes time to reload.
These idiots aren't hunting....at least not big game, that is.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
Lock these loonies up for good , throw away the key .
Wonder what he'll have to say about this. (Don't have to wonder very hard.)
I'm sure tears will flow.......
Lock tutu boy Beck up too ... and throw away the key , would do wonders for this country .
when they get the power back,its you and me? this is america,come-on
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
I imagine Beck is laying in a good supply of Vicks so he can cry a lot of tears about how the government is picking on these nice Christian patriots.
I guess blind faith in the untested allegations of the government has neither liberal nor conservative bias.
It used to be different. Unfortunately, fear is a powerful motivator across the spectrum.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
anything about this Hutaree groups agenda from their youtube videos and message boards right?
And from dirty bombers to the Sears Tower plot to the plot to take out a military base, these accusations have repeatedly fallen apart when even slightly examined.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
with pipe bombs in their possession fiver. Or maybe you think the BATF&E planted those on them?
Once upon a time in this country it was considered standard in determining the truth.
But go ahead and blindly trust ATF. Why would they lie?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
... that the FBI/ATF knew about their plans, while Captain Hutaree had to find someone with the skills/knowledge to make IEDs and e-mailed them the design.
Won't surprise me in the least to learn their 'bombmaker' was a federal agent posing as a dealer.
The WTC bomb maker was a FBI asset. The phone conversations between him and his FBI handler came out in court, he wanted big money (from the FBI) or he would 'lose' the made bomb.
"fear is a powerful motivator across the spectrum."
That would explain why religion was invented and has become so prolific and profitable... and destructive. :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
...shouldn't these terrorist fuckers be waterboarded?
For the security of the Nation(stopping future possible threats), of course.
the bat-sh*t crazies and he could care less about them. If these bozos ever read the whole bible and wouldn't just pick and choose, they would know that is the last thing Jesus would want in his name. Anyone who doesn't think these people are terrorists is to dumb to leave.
Seems to me this is the exact scenario that the right wingers thought we should torture.
There's one guy on the loose. The attack was judged to be imminent, thus the raid. And those captured would know the un apprehended terrorist's whereabouts.
And who knows how many WMDs he has with him? I'd think the right wingers would be screaming for Jack Bauer to come safe them about now.
No. Not "alarmist." Definitely not the word I would have chosen.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Thank you Fox 'Terrorist' News and the GOP for your continued promotion and support of Hate, Fear, Lies and Violence against the good people of America. Your evil bears poison fruit.
So sorry 'We Hate Government' Conservatives, isn't it a shame that we have a functional government that helps and benefits the people and works diligently to prevent senseless bloody murder.
undermining the Pentagons mission in Afghanistan?
Kabul, Afghanistan - American and NATO troops firing from passing convoys and military checkpoints have killed 30 Afghans and wounded 80 others since last summer, but in no instance did the victims prove to be a danger to troops, according to military officials in Kabul. "We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever proven to be a threat," said Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.
....such shootings have not dropped off, despite new rules from General McChrystal seeking to reduce the killing of innocents. The persistence of deadly convoy and checkpoint shootings has led to growing resentment among Afghans fearful of Western troops and angry at what they see as the impunity with which the troops operate - a friction that has turned villages firmly against the occupation
Of course if the incompetent McChrystal knew how to do his job he would have come down HARD on the guilty parties and the murders probably won't have increased as they have.
Poor Michael. As John Cleese said, Michael Palin is no longer the funniest Palin in the world.
Donna Stone, David Brian Stone's ex-wife, cries as she talks to members of the media outside the federal courthouse on Monday.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Scoundrels. Old fasioned scoundrels and neophytes. An example of people gone bad. There may be no evil but there are people gone bad.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Haven't you heard the stories in Iraq where a suicide bomber detonates and then they detonate again at the funeral?
The parallel is very obvious. Did they get inspired by America's enemies?
"I simply said one can see that there's a model out there for insurgency,"
Pete Sessions (R) Texas
These whackjobs are white and Christians- which right away disqualifies them from being terrorists in the eyes of the wingnuts- as they feel only brown skinned Muslims can be terroists.
I will be SHOCKED if FOX lables these people domestic terrorists..Odds are they'll call them patriots..
And do what, wait for starvation to overtake them? It's not like they couldn't easily be surrounded and cut off from food, water, AM radio, and the Playboy Channel.
ala The Road.
Of course, the tricky part to that is starting fires to cook the meat, and not giving away your position in the process.
mre's have a flameless heat source
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
Whattaya wanna know about MRE's?
How far out of expiration are they still ok? ebay sells cases,but most are out of date.i've only had the pork pattie,liked it.which menu do you like best,A,B,or C?
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
Ugh, lived on MRE's for about 2 months after Katrina. I think the pork pattie may be the best one of the bunch. The ham and egg omelet still gives me nightmares.
Did that text at the end of the video say, "...the frist and the last.."?
After all, it was Jesus who first said pop a cap in somebody's ass if they disagree with you.
This militia planned to murders cops, then murder more cops and their families at the funerals. That is TERRORISM.
NOBODY 2012
A steady stream of newspaper stories also described Bush's religiosity. The commingling of religion and politics under Bush was noteworthy especially for his predilection for portraying (and indeed, seeing) himself in a messianic light. Former bush speech writer David Frum, in his behind-the-scenes book about the early years of the Bush administration, described how fellow Bush staffer Michael Gerson told Bush after his September 20, 2001, televised speech to a traumatized nation. "Mr. President, when I saw you on television, I thought—God wanted you there." According to Frum, Bush replied, He wants us all here, Gerson." Not only did Bush see himself as a man on a divine mission but he actively cultivated this view of his importance among his staff and throughout his administration. Moreover, the White House similarly promoted this image to the public, particularly among conservative Christians.
By turning the White House into an organ of the religious Right, Bush signaled that he was a full participant in what was rapidly becoming the most important meeting ground for a broad range of right-wing beliefs: evangelical Christianity. Bush's overt political appeals to the fundamentalist views of his audiences—particularly in portraying himself as receiving divine guidance—gave himself immunity from fault and his every step the Lord's imprimatur. He thereby also placed himself in the charismatic position of combined political and religious leadership. The effect was to lead individual followers to identify their religious beliefs with Bush's political agenda and to draw nearly the entire evangelical bloc behind him politically.
Fundamentalist Christianity is among the most clear-cut expressions of a Manichean dualism in American society. Its world is divided into good and evil, black and white. In turn, this kind of dualism signals a propensity toward authoritarianism, or what Erik Erikson called totalism: the eager embrace of a totalitarian society.
Religiosity has been almost universally recognized as an important element of any manifestation of fascism in the United States. As early as 1935, Sinclair Lewis observed: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." More recently, scholar Robert 0. Paxton remarked that "religion... would certainly play a much larger role in an authentic fascism in the United States than in the first European fascisms:"
A brief look at our history seems to substantiate these predictions. Earlier forms of fascism in America were explicitly “Christian” in nature. This is particularly true of the extremists who formed small but widespread societies around neo-Nazi philosophies and admiration for Hitler, most notably those led by the crypto-fascist mystical “philosopher” William Dudley Pelley in the 1930s. --David Neiwert (chap. 4 p. 87-88)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
If these had been envrionmentalists or Muslims or black folks (or black Muslim environmentalists, for that matter), the articles would be slathered with the dreaded T-word. But since they're white christians, I guess it isn't terrorism.
LOL! Take a look at these genius's
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Although, as a hippy, I know the Jesus Freaks we're not PACIFISTs. But, I ain't ever met a Christian like these clowns. These clowns are the "demonic types" (they worship a devil....man). They are Jihad...This ain't christian......this is mohammad, Al Queda stuff...hang 'em....they'd like that! One thing for sure, they ain't American either....killing our police officers is criminal.
Hey...these kind hate lawyers too....Ain't this a predictament.
Or a muslim terrorist? I guess republicans have more in common with the muslim terrorists the we thought. Well maybe those fema camps will come in handy for something afterall?
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
i am fed up with all stripes of the "peaceful abrahamic" religions.
they are all mesianic in nature and claim to have an exclusive line on truth, we have the christian whackos here, the middle east has the muslim fanatics, and israel has their own zealots; you tell me the difference.
"you tell me the difference" [Interpretation?] ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
here, there, length of time to get het up.
look up rushdoony, the dominionists have been preaching this stuff since the fifties, that is sixty years.
dollar to a donut his poor kids were home schooled.
I say 'Amen'. Religion is a cancer on humanity. Religion has 3 purposes: 1. To separate people into groups. 2. To separate people from their analytical thinking. And most importantly, 3. To separate them from their money.
... any of that. However, organized religion is very good at it.
the late, great, religious philosopher George Carlin, ... the all time bullshit champion is religion. Better than government, the military, and even business. An invisible man in the sky with a list of 10 proscribed items, violation of any one on the list will cause you to burn and suffer in hell throughout all eternity and he does this -because he loves you... Also, God is all knowing, all seeing, all caring, all powerful, all loving-but he's always broke...
jwf would loose his identity if a part of human nature (worship of the unknown) were to be removed from the world conscience.
Thank god for religion, huh?
2000 year old apocryphal tribal fairy tales written by men to subjugate women, children, and claim dominion over other species has not caused me to "loose" my identity. Find a better recipient for your disposable income than some human claiming to channel 'God'.
That sounds funny :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Before I hit you with my account of this Sunday's evening service at Tempe's Faithful Word Baptist Church -- home to Obama-death-wish preacher Steven Anderson, and his spritual follower, AR-15-toter and Obama-hater Christopher Broughton -- I should run down some significant points picked up during my post-service chats with both.
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he is the one provoked a confrontation with the border patrol (who were very professional with him) talk about somebody (and i don't want to say this, but i will)deserved to get tased.
then the friggin yo-yo goes and complains about illegal immigration, after provoking the border patrol!
where is Brent Ward when you need him? How the F*ck is this Barbara McQuade wasting the resources of the US Dept of Justice on this trivial stuff? Don't they realize we have pornographers here to prosecute? Don't they realize RIGHT NOW millions of Americas are not yet employed by privatized Federal Prison Industries, INC even though as casual users of MARIJUANA they are eligible under the phony US Drug War to become incarcerated.
Where are these bleeping peepelses priorities, g'd*mnmit?
(giant snark)
your name's Lebowski, Lebowski... and your wife is Bunny
Ha ha! You crazy Americans. Militia paranoia about Obama being the anti-Christ and the biggest thing he's done is get a Bill passed on Healthcare Reform is absolutely hilarious. You can't write stuff better than this! When's the movie coming out?
... I don't know, you may want to ask these folks. ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
That's kinda scary, TC.
You know how after some kid attacks someone, the video game defense comes out to "prove" he is not responsible?
Is it wrong for me to hope these nut cases use the Fox News defense? I am just hoping that they cite Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, etc as sources of information for why they felt waging war against the US was a viable solution.
in court but their lawyers probably won't let them tell the truth.
the Patriot Act valid. Look how the slippery slope of WMDs has shifted from nuclear and bio-chemical weapons to simple explosive, albiet dagerous, precision land mine like applications.
As more info comes out, it will be a set up and entrapment thought-crime where the idea, method and money to carry out said deed came from government operatives.
Not to minimise the potential for danger, I personally feel these laws over broad and dangerous in their own right and the pursiut of prosecution somewhat ethically skewed.
If these are wrong when wielded by a Republican, they are wrong under a Democrat.
of WMD happened long before the Democrats took control of Congress, the White House or the Justice Department. And this sounds for the most part like standard law enforcement stuff that has always been used in this country, not Patriot Act stuff. But maybe you know something about the arrests that I don't.
But yeah the Patriot Act itself is very bad no matter who uses it.
... was part of the Crusade.
IEDs become WMDs, and so the people with them are terrorists, therefore if we can
fool the publicprove that Iran supplied the IEDs being used in Iraq, then they're a terrorist state and we can roll right in and fuck up another Middle Eastern country with the gift of Duh-mocracy.I'm surprised the FBI hadn't already infiltrated this group. They've infiltrated far lesser group as evident of that scene in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 with that Quaker anti-war group.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Ziggy Marley - IN THE NAME OF GOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59yM2-xMeMQ
Ziggy Marley - Shalom Salaam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGaPCqfHnU&fe...
"To err is human; if you really want to screw things up, you need religion."
What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do they not understand?
One Love.
for pointing out that we were heading down this road."
And Janet Napolitano had to apologize for a report on right wing extremism commissioned by w and the war criminals.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
did they find any bibles on hand? aren't these guys terrorists?
why do the get labeled militia and not terrorist cells?
Their "religion" is pretty unimportant, unless it can be used in evidence against them like the Arm and Hammer of the Lord.
They would do what they're doing regardless of religion; religion is only giving them a pretext. What's distinctive is how slowly we accuse them of terrorism, they're militias, but not if they were Islamic.
It's kind of like Christians can give a whole laundry list of why their clergy fall into sexual scandals. My favorite is that it's so prevalent in this culture that they succumbed. But if they were Wiccae or some other kind of Occultic group, the person caught would be used as an example of how the religion as a whole is uncredible.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Did Eric Robert Rudolph act alone?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
No, he had help:
http://celebrity.khurak.net/wp-content/upload...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Oh, OK. Yes she has helped me a few times, as well.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
What 'freedoms' have they lost? What scares them so much about this government?
One of the Tea Party rants is that politicians aren't listening to the people. What people? People like this? I think they are listening to the people; that's why HCR passed.
Frankly, the time to 'fear' the government was between 2000 - 2008; you really couldn't predict what those clowns would try to pull next. All Obama is trying to do now is to repair the damage done by the Bush Administration and to basically 'level the playing field' for all citizens.....certainly not something to fear.
It's not about change in moderation or fiscal responsibility.
It's about Not Changing At All. They really don't want their tax dollars going to help immigrants or minorities. They don't want to have to treat blacks as equals, or have their sons and daughters be 'forced' to attend a prom with a gay or lesbian student.
And the government is now the culprit because it is bringing change to bear. It isn't talking in the code words and dog-whistle terms of the Bush Administration. Why, that fella in the White House, he's a secret socialist Kenyan Muslim! And he's BLACK!
and convicted, they should be sent to GITMO.
... tried or convicted to be sent to Gitmo.
They should START there. And clearly, they're dangerous, so they need to be tried by a military court. Can't have them here in the States, too dangerous.
is where you send folks when you don't have anything to try and convict them on.
...will be heading their legal defense team.
Today on MSNBC, I think it was a guest of Dylan Ratigan, stated that nationwide memberships to existing, and the formation of new militias have increased over 200% in the last decade. This trend spiked with the last Presidential Election and the resulting election of President Obama. Let me see...which party was running the country over the last decade?
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
Paddle faster, I hear banjos.
When someone attacks the country under Republican leadership, it's "terrorism."
When someone attacks the country under Democratic leadership, it's "patriotism."
Can't wait to see how Glenn Beck responds to the fruit of his loins. Perhaps, as one keen observer put it yesterday, the Fox News headline will read, "Government arrests Christians for praying."
Of course they think when someone attacks the country under Democratic leadership it's patriotism. They're Republicans.
"Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive" under a picture of a bunch of heavily armed guys in fatigues. Survivalist Jesus. Where in the new testament do they get this as the message of Christ?
Probably from their book of Revelatiotardery.
Dudes, Jeebus wanted to kill anyone who made children sin (which someone applied to kid rape, which isn't even the kid's fault although anyone who rapes children really doesn't deserve human rights, and which I'm sure if the wacko had existed he would have applied to saying 'hey, mister, you're full of shit!' too), and he was all about sword and not peace and stuff and christianity is a giant clusterfuck the way other religions are.
I'm almost convinced that we atheists know more about the bible than most christians.
The entire premise about some whack-a-loon militia types organizing a targeted hit against a specific LEO, and then against those LEO who would attend his/her funeral sounds "beyond reality". It isn't as if there aren't enough LEO around Ann Arbor to provide a (please pardon me here) "target-rich" environment, all without resorting to conspiracy against one specific LEO.
This reminds me of the blacks rounded up from the Miami area under terrorism conspiracy charges who had no money for operations, no intel, no weapons, no explosive devices, and could barely buy a clue between them. It took an undercover LEO to "bust" this "emerging domestic threat", who no doubt was also an instigator or agent provocateur.
It isn't as if this has not happened many, many times before -- these kinds of undercover operations have been going on ever since the 1960's. Need an incident to drag before the public in order to justify some new fascistic political agenda ?? Something will "turn up" pretty soon, just you wait.
I am not making excuses for these whack-a-loon militia types. Nor am I attributing these MFers with being endowed with being particularly bright. Anyone paying any particular attention to the efficiency of post-Korean War domestic surveillance operations would realize that those capabilities have only gotten more pervasive and efficient, not less so. As this case unwinds in court, I would be surprised if there weren't some undercover intelligence assets directly associated with this militia group's mind-numbingly stupid operational plan ...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
I’m always skeptical.
I don’t know the specifics of this organization – only what’s been reported. It appears to me that there were 3-4 family members running around in fatigues and pasting non-sense on a website. They don’t appear on any official militia listings, and have been quickly disowned by the other militia whack-o’s.
They were infiltrated by the FBI. It very well could be the FBI agent was the one that gave them the idea to kill a cop and blow up the funeral. It only had to be a single recorded conversation prefaced with “What if we…” Left alone, they may have even crawled back under their rock.
So why? And why now?
Because they were an easy target, and a needed message sent to the other nut cases. If this is the case, the “officials” don’t want to use language like “Terrorists” and “Combatants”. It sends the wrong message to the other militias. The April 19th date is quickly approaching. This is important to these people. By sending the message now - that they will get caught and prosecuted, the FBI may be trying to stem future violence.
but much more like a means to justify the organization's existence, government or otherwise.
For example: At the close of World War II, the US military and all of it's civilian contractors saw a brief "peace dividend" with the reduction of military expenditures to less than 1/10th that of war-time USA.
The solution: The National Security Act of 1947, which began both the CIA and NSA. The USA military expenditures increased back to near-wartime levels to counter both the real and perceived threat of global communism. Any government that was left-of-"center", preached land reform or nationalization of assets, whether based upon democracy or otherwise, was deemed an imminent danger to "American Interests".
For example: Prohibition 2.0 and the "War of Drugs" were launched to eliminate the tendency of 3% of the USA population to engage in drugs deemed to be antithetical to the "American Way" and our recreational drugs of now-government approved choice.
The solution: After $100's of Billions of USD expended, along with a new quasi-fascistic governmental organization running rough-shod over the rights and privacy of average citizens, the percentage of USA population "lost" to illicit drugs is still about 3%.
For example: The "War of Terror" was launched against 2 Muslim governments, under the justification of action against widely disbursed non-governmental forces loosely organized against cultural changes that they deemed to threaten their way of life.
The solution: Engagement in two illegal preemptive invasions and bloody occupations against Muslim governments to the tune of (ultimately) $2+ Trillion USD. Permanent military bases in Iraq, along with petroleum Production Sharing Agreements equals Mission Accomplished. !00+ thousand troops in Afghanistan, plus a nearly equal number of mercenaries in-theatre, to wage war against perhaps 2 dozen Al Queda in Afghanistan, as well as a rising insurgent militia in opposition to our brutal occupation -- at what cost in lives, exactly ??
The "under-ware bomber" was a Nigerian who met up with "forces of resistance" in Yemen, supposedly Al Queda. This Area of Operations had already been infiltrated with counter-insurgency forces from the CIA and private sub-contractors (mercenaries). Which group, specifically, did the Nigerian actually link up with ?? He was equipped with a bomb that was non-functional -- neither the detonator or high explosives worked properly -- no detonation or explosive report, only a small fire. This attack was perpetrated over the continental USA for the greatest "shock & awe" terror value, not over the Atlantic Ocean portion of the flight where it would create the most casualties.
All-in-all, if this militia round-up were a "message" from the authorities, it was far less a message to other militias to "cool it" and far more a message to the general population "Be afraid, be very afraid." and "You must continue our funding, at current or even higher levels -- deficits be damned."
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
... and sounds eerily akin to what the inflammatory rhetoric of certain "conservative" and almost-mainstream politicians and pundits seems designed to stir up. Wonder if Sarah the Clueless, Beck, Rush, et al, will condemn the Hutarees, or defend them as just some political "antics" and accuse the feds of overreaction.
it's what you get when they mix politics and religion and think they can do anything and it is right in their own minds. Thanks alot Glen Beck and Sarah the cross hair Palin tea baggers.
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That this group was affiliated with Tea-Quaeda. Its possible that it was street theater they were rehearsing, or a protest of a bullet coming from the stratosphere through Eric Cannots window..
The fact that they are charged in the civilian court system proves they're not terrists
No wonder there are militant atheists, but they could never hold a religious prayer candle to these folks. ;)
I've recently canceled my cable TV service... again. I had it hooked up again to primarily watch the tail-end of the NFL season and for the Super-Bowl, though the later event was all for naught, due to CBS's handling of the FOF sponsored commercial... "Morning Joe" was the last straw. :P
So I caught this on Hulu, but have recently found it appearing at its source... National Geographic. I understand the "Power of positive thought", but this video just proves why people can do such crazy things in the name of a Supreme-Being. It covers religion and militias, starting about 30 min. into the flick. It's truly extraordinary...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Meanwhile, the Christian militias have gone underground—but that doesn't mean they've gone soft.
No wonder the world always seems to be at odds... :-/
The more I know, the less I like it... and it further solidifies my disbelief in a mystical, magical deity.
Some day...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
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