Karl Rove whines about 'old style politics' of targeting Limbaugh
Karl Rove was on Greta Van Susteren's Fox News show yesterday and complained about the Obama White House's decision to target Rush Limbaugh, which he decried as an evil "plot" cooked up by Carville and Co.:
ROVE: Well, first of all, yes, they are making a target. Think about this. They have assigned a senior aide to President Obama is heading this up inside the White House, an unnamed aide. This has clearly got Carville, Begala and Rahm Emanuel, who talk literally every day -- they have an early morning phone call. This is clearly something that they've concocted.
And the question that we -- there are two questions we ought to ask. First of all, is this appropriate? The idea that the White House is devoting all this time and energy and effort when we've got all this myriad problems facing the country, that they've got senior aides in the White House gaming out how they can make Rush Limbaugh the headline in the evening news seems to me to be a little petty, small, and really inappropriate.
Bigger question is why are they doing this. And I think the answer is, is that they decided they don't want to have a debate about the budget. They don't want to have a debate about the stimulus bill. They don't want to have a debate about the omnibus spending bill, the $410 billion bill with 8,500 earmarks and it. They don't want to have those kind of conversations with the country or with the Republicans in the Congress, so they want to go out and phony up a fight with somebody and devote the time and energy and effort to that.
This is misdirection. They're trying to draw attention away from the things that the country wants to talk about and that they know they've got a vulnerability on in order to have a conversation about Rush Limbaugh, and hopefully, delay or postpone or maybe even kick off some of the discussion that they would otherwise have on these three big issues.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you know, it's possible that this could backfire big-time against them because the American people are focused on the economy. I mean, you know, it's, like, every poll that people are looking at the economy, the Dow is going down -- went up, of course, today. But everybody's worried about that and -- and you know, at some point, they -- I would think tactically, they'd worry that everyone would sort of turn on them and say, you know, Forget Rush Limbaugh, whether you're a fan or not a fan. How about -- how about the economy?
ROVE: Yes. It's petty and it's small on the part of the White House. I mean, didn't President Obama come to Washington saying, I'm going to change the tone? And here he has unleashed his attack dog in Rahm Emanuel, and he's got Carville and Begala out there beating up on Rush Limbaugh, and for what purpose? I mean, you know, what's to be served by that?
And it's clear that this is -- that this is the same old style politics that we grew to really dislike in the 1990s, when the White House thought everything through from a political perspective, road-tested it by running polls and focus groups and did everything with a very keen eye towards the politics of the matter, not what was in the best interests of the country.
How does this serve the country for us at this point when we're discussing these big, vital things like the budget and health care and the stimulus bill and the omnibus spending bill -- how does it well serve the country for this little sideshow concocted in the chief of staff's office in the West Wing? Not very -- not very useful.
There really is no hypocrisy like Republican hypocrisy.
There have been many discussions about the level of Machiavellian politics in the Bush White House under Rove, of course. Some of my favorite examples:
John Dean discusses Rove's position:
Rove's unique role is that he is a political guy making policy decisions for political reasons. Decisions in the Bush White House are made not based on what is best for the public interest, rather what will get the president the most mileage with his base, and best political advantage. Not since Nixon's so-called responsiveness program -- which was uncovered during the Watergate investigation -- have we had such overt political decision-making.
... Both Haldeman and Ehrlichman saw the world through a political lens, and what was most likely to help Richard Nixon get reelected. So does Rove. Haldeman was involved with procedure (broadly speaking, I mean who was doing what at the White House, arranging the presidential travel and appearances for maximum political benefit, and constantly mindful of the president's image and making him look good), and Ehrlichman was the substance guy (who developed domestic policies, but accounting for the political impact). Rove controls both.
Nicolas Lemann's profile of Rove:
Every White House has a political operative, but Rove has a much bigger charter than his predecessors. He appears to have supervisory authority over the Republican National Committee. Inside the White House, after Karen Hughes, the primary keeper of the Bush image, left, last year, her role was taken over by a protégé and former employee of Rove’s, Dan Bartlett. The head of the White House domestic-policy operation, Margaret Spellings, is another Rove associate from Texas. She sees him almost every day, and Rove plays a much heavier role in domestic policy than any previous occupant of his position. (This is not a White House in which the “policy shop” constantly tussles with the “politics shop,” as has usually been the case.) He functions as a national personnel director for the Republican Party, hand-selecting candidates for governorships and seats in the Senate and House. His people are widely scattered around the executive departments. He closely supervises political fund-raising. And, of course, the President is someone whose entire political career Rove has masterminded, beginning, if not at that memorable first meeting, then certainly years before Bush’s first successful race for office.
... Rove is both a fox and a hedgehog. He is the detail man of all detail men, but he also makes a point of doing more long-term strategic planning than other political consultants. For especially important campaigns, he produces written plans far in advance, mapping out the race in its entirety, and he’s famous for sticking precisely to the plan no matter what. Rove’s main goal over the next year and a half is making George W. Bush what his father wasn’t, a reëlected President—when I asked if he had mapped out the campaign, he said, “Don’t expect me to answer this question”—but he is too ambitious to want only that. The real prize is creating a Republican majority that would be as solid as, say, the Democratic coalition that Franklin Roosevelt created—a majority that would last for a generation and that, as it played itself out over time, would wind up profoundly changing the relationship between citizen and state in this country. “I think we’re at a point where the two major parties have sort of exhausted their governing agendas,” Rove told me. “We had agendas that were originally formed, for the Democrats, in the New Deal, and, for the Republicans, in opposition to the New Deal—modified by the Cold War and further modified by the changes in the sixties, the Great Society and societal and cultural changes. It’s sort of like the exhaustion of two boxers fighting it out in the middle of the ring. This periodically happens. This happened in 1896, where the Civil War party system was in decline and the parties were in rough parity and somebody came along and figured it out and helped create a governing coalition that really lasted for the next some-odd years. Similarly, somebody will come along and figure out a new governing scheme through which people could view things and could, conceivably, enjoy a similar period of dominance.” Karl Rove clearly wants to be that somebody, and his relentless pressing for every possible specific advantage is in service of the larger goal.
... Every time I interviewed someone close to Rove, that person first checked with him to make sure it was O.K. to talk to me, and then, in the interview, made a point of offering a testimonial to Rove’s deep and sincere interest in public policy. It’s true that Rove is far more knowledgeable about the details of government than most other political consultants. But the idea that he performs Brookings Institution-style policy evaluations, never sullying himself with considerations of the politics of an issue, is probably a stretch; it would perhaps be better to say that Rove is unusually adept at using government policy as a political tool—in the same way that he is unusually adept at using books as a political tool.
And last but not least, the entire U.S. Attorneys firing scandal, at which he is the epicenter -- possibly the apotheosis of the Bush/Rove White House's politicization of every aspect of policy.



Karl wrote the book "Ol' Style Politics".
we need to subpoena carville, begala and emanuel to testify before congress on their part in this nefarious plot!!!
Life's a bitch isn't it Karl, when you can't call the shots.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
yet another Repug who believes that Rush is a delicate flower about to be trampled under foot by Obama.
There's no message discipline amongst them. He's either the unstoppable one who must be obeyed, or that shrinking violet!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
..and said, Why bother going any further?
Karl Rove will one day be in a "Perp Walk". Want to eliminate the budget deficit? Sell tickets.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
..the only thing you should talk about is how your life will be affected by spending time behind bars.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Where are the sherriffs? Why is he still out and about? I say stfu before we find you. He belongs behind bars and if we can't do it then let him go to Europe and see what kind of welcome he'll get there.
limpballs targeted himself by saying he hopes Obama, and by extension America fails.
How would Obama look with extensions?
And turdblossom came to the party's attention when he bugged his own Texas gubernatorial candidate's office and blamed the opposing party.
Then of course there's this:
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Donald Segretti. For shame. He knew our friend Ron Ziegler from their Truck Stop days you know. Sang a mean version of "Me and Bobby McGee." Please don't post it.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Interesting that rove's days in politics go back to Nixon and Watergate ... no wonder he and dickie-boy made such a great team. John Dean even said that the WG investigators had stuff on rove but went after the bigger fish instead.
Thanks for the Wayne Madsen link. I always enjoy his stuff.
How About A Nice Cup Of Shut The Fuck UP. you have been an asshole all your life. You have been pissed about the little girls kicking your ass and taking youe lunch money back in 1st grade. Are you going to talk this much when you go infont of congress, or are you going to go the way of the 5th or just don't show up again.
Unless they're married to Joe Wilson.
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Alabama.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
This man did indeed write the book on old style politics. Once in prison, he will have plenty of time to make revisions.
just think rove in prison and on an open yard. He would be the new fish. I an sure his mouth would be open all the time, the thinh is, he would not be talking. then there is that time he is in the shower.
Smile motherfucker, this is what you did to the US.
for a bailout, then!
poor wittle chubsy wubsy wove...
Get over it ya fat face fuck!
You ain't in charge of Jack shit any more.
The first line was suitable for children.
And for someone not in charge he sure is jacking lots of shit around.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
One step at a time.
Yeah...you're right...he needs to get off tv...
Get Over It! And Shut the fuck up.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln
I can't take it....the dripping hypocrisy, the flabby jowels, the drug addled college dropout....the apocolypse looks sooooo good right about now.
How anyone can take these stooges seriously is the greatest psychiatric mystery since Vanilla Ice.
At first I thought it was funny that Rove was condemning Obama for not changing the tone in Washington, away from Rove's own juvenile methods. That would've been hypocritical, but at least there would be a hint of contrition in it.
But no-- it's even better than that.
When Rove refers to the "old style politics" of attack, he's referring to BILL CLINTON, not the last 8 years. That's hilarious.
I almost find it difficult to hate Karl Rove. He's obviously unbalanced.
So does Rove feel it's President Obama's turn to apologize to Rush?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
karl ROVE playing VICTUM what a surprise. sure have an open DEBATE about the budget that was developed in dec.08 make sure that you highlight that lawmakers in (r) have plenty of money coming their way.
Or targeting like how He went after Valerie Plame? Or Targeting like how Joe (not really Joe) the Plumber(Not really a plumber) says that in the day they could shoot a certain un-American traitor and nothing would be said about it????
If Grate On Yournervesa is supposed to be their foil, their liberal voice why TF does she keep say Democrat Party! Why do any of them still do it?
not their foil.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
you're getting yourself all worked up. It would be such a pity if you suffered a stroke or a heart attack from all that stress.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Maybe we coud send hin some red meat.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
Rove is the LAST person on earth that should be saying anything about anyone using politics as a game. Once again a Republican shows a real life example of Hypocrisy.
I will say these guys walked Rush into one heck of a trap. They called just about every response Rush has had. If I were him I would be embarrassed at falling so far into a trap laid by people he despises.
To be honest these guys in the White House should leave Rush alone now and focus on fixing the country. Its fun to poke at the fat bully once in a while, but they've got more pressing work to do.
Maybe like Snoopy's Christmas tree, Karl "just needs a little love"
I mean would you want to go through life looking and speaking as he does? Would you want to have so many skeletons in your closet that you are fearful of even opening the door at all? The guy represents a whole lot of what happened to the republican parth that brought it down.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
And a lot of magical waving hands.
When I read, "Karl Rove whines about 'old style politics' of targeting Limbaugh"
I thought it said whinnying
That way we could send him to the glue factory.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
when are these fuckers going to jail?
Wow, what power this white house has, it's not Rush's fault for hoping Obama/The United States fails. Its the Administration's fault for pointing out that Rush hopes Obama/The United States fails. Of course when the white house and Republicans were calling Moveon.org traitors for asking if General Petraeus was going to be truthful in his testimony or would he betray us that was entirely different. I repeat it seems to me after someone is wrong about everything over and over and over again when is it time to stop asking their opinion?
Mr. Rove. In the Mena Airport. With the Cigar.
Bring back the Clinton White House. We'll take care of these fatties.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
It is only natural for Karl Rove to assume that the democrats are making the very same plays he himself would be doing right about now. That says little about democrats and PLENTY about Karl Rove.
Or is that Disney Land?
Karl will quickly hop on the mag-lev train to the Bunny ranch.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
In order to gain the political power they’ve enjoyed over the last ten years, Republican moderates and Reagan conservatives made a pact with the devil (the religious right and Limbaugh racists, fear-mongers and hate-baiters) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. It was a conscious political decision to manipulate and exploit emotions to win rather than to be intellectually and morally honest and lose. Today, those Republican moderates and Reagan conservatives are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with and or casting out the devils they empowered, and the karmic reality that they don’t have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without accepting and even advocating values that are dividing and destroying their party. The survival of the Republican Party has become so dependent on radicalism, that they have no significant political power WITH or WITHOUT the support of America’s lunatic fringe. The idiom about choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea is certainly appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics.
Just always keep in mind, whatever Karl says, think the opposite.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
to enjoy all his ill gotten gains by now and everyone would forget he even existed.
or is Greta's uplift falling like the Dow?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Yes, her uplift began falling before the Dow did. It's just about hit bottom now.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
That poor girl needs to check in with a body shop!
As the old blues-man said "she must sneak up on the glass to get a drink of water"
If I'm not reading her lips, I can't understand Greta. Very poor diction. Is this because of the hang-over or what?
It's the same thing Ari Fleischer said to Shuster. As always, they're handed scripts from one of the sausage factory think tanks and then they blitz the media. Don't respond to their preposterous lies. Let's just mock their desperate groupthink.
We're not getting our money back. They won we lost just stop feeding them.
a hell of a double play combinatiuon once?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Plus Fleisher was on Morning Joe this morning parroting the same stuff as Rove is saying. To shorten their message a bit, The Democrat party is being mean to us and we don't think that's fair.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Well, the Democrat Party is picking on us, and since we'er in teh minority that means Democrats don't like minorities!!!! Hence the GOP is opening their big (ass) tent!
Good one! And closer to fact than fiction.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I guess that means that Rush is the voice of the minority in America! The poor down trodden Whit Mesogenous minority. Maybe they shouold have a telethon to raise money.....
I have liked telethons ever since my PBS station began having them. The have one everytime they play that British Invasion show with Pea Tulip Clark and those neat shows where Roy Orbsion dresses up like Rush Limbaugh.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Projecting much?
Personally I've had it up to my eyeballs with the sniveling, whining, bellyaching and moaning ...Losing stings...Learn to deal with it
"There is nothing more sad than the death of an illusion." --- Cervantes (from Don Quixote)
LuLu
that he has committed or caused others to commit, not on teevee talking to Greta Von Sustern whose mouth is weirdly contorted. It's uncomfortable to watch her because she is so weird looking. I disagree with Rove, I think it deserves to be pointed out that Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the republican party. He is the truth, the spirit and the inspiration of the republican party. And, Rove looks like he could be his twin brother, they are both oily, corpulent, angry old white men who can't stand to see that this country is now in the process of trying to mend and heal itself, despite all their attempts to try to destroy it.
is about as useful as a pedophile priest preaching about the joys of a committed marriage.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
or one of the straight ones?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
it IS old style politics, and the obama camp is certainly using limbaugh as a wedge. But C&L is spot on with pointing out the hypocrisy of karl, where is his criticism of limbaugh + republicans who are also engaging in this old style politics? if this is how they expect to tarnish obama, by egging him and democrats on, then claiming it is the DEMOCRATS who are engaging in old style politics, well it is beyond puzzling if republicans expect this to put them over.
He is the man that brought this position to a whole new level. He is an innovator, a vehicle of change, a man that thinks outside the box. He provided benefits to his boss in the form of: then record breaking corporate fundraising, a new partisan support network in the judicial, legislative, executive, a justice branches of government, and is a grand communicator to dispel evil myths being created about his superior. ;-)
We deserve to know the truth about Rove's activities in the White House.
As with all liars, sooner or later the lying becomes so complicated and convoluted that reality comes crashing through --
Karl Rove truly used the "win at any cost" philosophy.
In the end he left the constitution and the country in shreds.
LuLu
Who made Rushpo say he wishes the president will fail, or the republicans apologize to Rush when they disagree with him? Did the big bad Democratic Party make these things happen? I don't think so. I think the GOP is hitting bottom and as usual, they have to blame somebody else for their failures.
EXACTLY!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Rove Disses Self.
What a big baby.
me-oww!
Where did the (next, after this one) Jerusalem story go? It's disappeared already. I have lots to say about it.
far left loon >.<
I don't know, it was up just a couple of minutes ago. Maybe it will be back later tonight.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It's really disgusting!!
"... a violation of international obligations." Learned from, and supported by, America.
far left loon >.<
You forgot one other episode, this one from Congress: the Terri Schiavo memo. Terri was "a great political issue" according to the Republicans.
I was a senior in high school when that was going on...
And Sen McCain came to my high school (since I'm in AZ and all) to speak...
Had a Q&A at the end of his time.
(Side note: I, personally, totally left him without any shred of dignity on the privatization of Soc Sec, which was also a big issue at the time, if you'll kindly remember :-D)
During the Q&A, there were a lot, and I mean a LOT of Young Republican, Mormon types who went to the mic to ask about Terri Schiavo and what the good Sen was going to do about protecting life in general in this country, including on matters of living wills and abortion.
A few of the kids even asked him if he was working to dismantle living wills, since everybody deserves to be able to live, even if they're a vegetable, I guess.
Needless to say, when I had him ducking and dodging my questions, my teacher was pretty darn proud of me... :-P
here's what rove and the rest of the party are saying;
"when we attack you, don't attack us"
sorry rove, we've learned that lesson with clinton and rush, we've learned that lesson with hillary, we've learned that lesson with kerry
obama has learned the lesson, anyone wants a piece of obama they're gonna get their ass handed to them
by the way, has anyone noticed rove looks pretty much like a relative of rush?
probably seperated at birth me thinks
We all know it is projection: this is how HE operated, so he assumes EVERYBODY ELSE operates this way.
This ain't about some "secret plot". This is about Steele saying he didn't like Flush's ideas and the old and dead GOP forcing Steele to apologise to Flush. That's what this is about. The press is chewing on this. This was fed by the republican party, like it always is. The petty "whining" is coming from the same spot the "petty whining" always comes from...rove and his republican "sidetrack" machine.
No Rove, again and again and again YOU ARE WRONG. If you can't take responsibility for your little "petty crap" then go to prison where you belong. You old, greedy, people are just stupid, gimmick hanging theives. Down with the Greedy Old People! You're thinking ain't right. Whiners!
Edgar Hoover
All I heard was Oink oink oink yak yak yak oink oink oink, Rove is Rush bimbballs little piglet. Go to Jail ROVE damit, put him in prison!
The real hypocrisy is that Greta van Susususus is actually saying people don't want to hear about this while she focuses on the issue.
Wait until his fat ass is convicted of some of his crimes, and his pardon note from Bush doesn't hold up.
The part he didn't mention is that he can Whine and Wet his pink panties at the same time.
I forgive my mother for all those lectures about crime not paying. Rove's post-Bush media success proves her wrong.
I have no problem with this pr*ck being featured on Fox, that should be expected. But when I see him on other networks, as I did on ABC's "This Week" last Sunday, I give up. ABC can KMA.
"First of all, is this appropriate? The idea that the White House is devoting all this time and energy and effort when we've got all this myriad problems facing the country, that they've got senior aides in the White House gaming out how they can make Rush Limbaugh the headline in the evening news seems to me to be a little petty, small, and really inappropriate."
When you look up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary you see a picture of Karl Rove. His pic is also up there under "liar". This crap from a guy who has spent most of his professional life targeting and smearing innocent people.
Rove is a psychopath, not merely unbalanced. That makes him extremely dangerous, as there is no line he will not cross. Not legal, moral, or any other line. A psychopath always intends to accomplish his goals regardless of who or what gets hurt or destroyed. Did anyone else notice that Limbaugh is the cartoon version of Rove? He personifies all of Rove's characteristics, greatly exaggerated, except for intelligence. And Rove actually did go to college. One last thing: I heard a commentator on cable today say that no one has ever accused Rove of not being intelligent. If that is true, let me be the first to do so. If he is so smart, why does he get caught at almost everything evil he does? Is Rove now becoming the real spokesperson for the Republican/Conservative party?
I agree with all your points and given Rove's lack of mental balance, he's really an easy target if only the Democrats would be willing to aim seriously at him. But for some reason that I will never be able to figure out, they seem unwilling to take this scumbag down. TBH, I think they already missed their best opportunity. He's already rehabilitated himself with the help of the MSM.
Seriously, even if he gets off on a technicality and doesn't spend the rest of his life in prison, don't we know enough about Rove to not trust his opinion on ANYTHING?
The only subject that's appropriate to interview him about is underhanded illegal political sliming. Other than that, I think he's about useless.
And he STILL got it wrong!!!
:-D
Ignore the man behind the curtain!?
Karl, someone told me that the line to hump Rush's leg, is way shorter than the line to give Rush a blowjob.
Bruce C Johnson
A DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING!
WHY Is Karl Rove on Teevee flaunting his subpeonas? Why isn't this all-American carbuncle getting lanced by the proper authorities?
Occasionally, after I have made some comments here and on another blog, an anonymous person has come on my I/M to tell me that I have a lot of balls and spirit and that he would like to meet me in a hotel in Copenhagen Denmark to spank my ass. Gee, I wonder who that could be? Any thoughts?
This guy LOOKS LIKE FLUBBER BOY LIMPDIKK.
In fact, they mostly ALL look alike. Their Nazi looks are a fashion statement, identifying them as fascist pigs. Can American men please grow hair back on their heads now? And women too?
Get rid of the hedonistic tattoos and piercings and look more peaceful, healthy and humane?
Please?
It's so interesting to see how eager Karl is to use the (carefully selected) media to catapult and spin, while simultaneously working quietly to avoid talking to an actual, legally-binding body of authority, re: politicized U.S. attorneys. With all the frantic spinning Karl does, you'd think he'd be slimmer. But I think he's rotund because he lies effortlessly.
Does Karl ever make his comments to a verifiably objective media source? Of course not. He's very, very careful who he speaks to. It's always FOX or Rush or someone he can count on to never ask real, difficult questions.
When we hear Karl talk of "misdirection," you know he knows what he's talking about.
Again I am simply amazed what a turd rag like Karl Rove considers an "Evil plot". Here's wishin for a secret rendition of ol Karl and showing him images of adorable kittens and big-eyed puppies.
K-K-K-Karl probably knows of the early morning phone calls from the illegal wire-taps he runs.
First, a strange cowboy from Texas (still wearing his boots) showed up in a restaurant over here Sept. 2004. He told me my politics was wrong. Shortly after that, somebody started talking to me on I/M supposedly from Sweden. They said familiar things and tried to talk me into going to Sweden but that I should purchase a ticket for Copenhagen (there's that Copenhagen connection again). I did purchase a ticket but immediately after the travel agent keyed in the data, her phone rang. As I sat right there in front of her she said, "An American going to Copenhagen". This scared me so I cancelled the flight the very next day.
Then this person on the I/M said, "OK, then I will come to see you" afterwhich this person showed up in Rome. It was a she and she was a weirdo so I left her there and told her not to bother me again. Next, I received an email from this weirdo saying, "We're not going to kidnap you and if you press the charge, nobody will believe you". I still have that email. I will post it here later.
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