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Karl Rove went on Fox News twice yesterday -- first on Your World and later on Hannity, where he essentially repeated his earlier performance -- to accuse the Obama White House of being soft on terrorism because it did not declare Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be bomber of that Northwest flight into Detroit, an enemy combatant:

Rove: This shows the big difference in this administration's approach to it. This guy was treated not as an enemy combatant, and turned over to the FBI and the CIA for interrogation, he was charged criminally, which means he immediately lawyered up and the amount of information we're going to get from him is going to be this much, compared to what we could get if he was just simply sweat by the FBI and the CIA -- not even using enhanced interrogation techniques, just using what police would be able to use if you weren't lawyered up. This is a very troubling way in which the administration has handled this.

On Hannity, he claimed that by filing criminal charges, "we treat him as a guy who tried to knock over a Seven-Eleven or got caught shoplifting."

Memo to Karl: Convenience-store robbers and shoplifters do not get charged with terrorism in federal court. Just sayin'.

Moreover, the problem with Rove's claim that "this shows the difference" between the Bush and Obama administrations is flatly false (aka a lie).

Faced with nearly identical circumstances with would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid -- who was attempting to use the exact same kind of explosive on an American flight -- the Bush administration in 2001 did exactly the same thing: it filed criminal charges and eventually tried Reid in federal court.

What's worth noting is that Reid, too, was potentially an intelligence bonanza, since he had numerous operational ties with Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.

Then there was Zacarias Moussaoui, a French citizen who was eventually convicted of plotting with Al Qaeda to participate in the 9/11 attacks. He, too, was treated as a federal criminal by the Bush administration.

Finally, it should be noted that declaring suspects "enemy combatants" -- especially when they are captured away from the field of battle -- is actually a legal minefield fraught with far greater uncertainty than the use of federal criminal statutes. The classic example of this was the case of Jose Padilla, who was declared an "enemy combatant" by the Bush administration and whose case wound up taking years to be settled by the Supreme Court -- which eventually insisted that he be tried in federal court. Padilla's case was somewhat different, since he is a U.S. citizen, but one can rest assured that the issue of habeas corpus central to his case would be resurrected should Obama have followed Rove's advice.

But then, anyone who follows Karl Rove's advice deserves everything that inevitably will happen to them.

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Albatross's picture

You mean the "Family Values" Karl Rove who just got a divorce?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/29/polit...
Why would anyone listen to THAT hypocrite?


"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'

BobD's picture

Gannon/Guckert spent undocumented nights in his WH. Maybe KR has some explaining to do ;)

pissed off patricia's picture

When I saw the comment by Albatross, my mind went to the same place that yours did. Where is Gannon these days.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Do you REALLY want to know?!!?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Albatross's picture

I'm fairly confident Rove isn't interested in adults.


"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'

Can O Whoopass's picture

he's still chained to a radiator in the basement, catching rodents and plotting an escape to meet his King and again grab his ankles in pleasure.

project's picture

Married? !!

Kate's picture

Yes ... it's incredible to me that any woman could marry -- or, if she were excessively naïve at first and only learned about his true nature later -- stay married to Karl Rove.

I wonder what his new trophy wife will look like.

ron's picture

videos of Jeff in the WH press room.

VegasRage's picture

painted on the bottom of my toilet bowl.


Goodnight, Frau Blücher

empy's picture

Dana is the Rove "Family Spokesperson". HaHaHaHa!

Hernand Cortex's picture

... wasn't she recently hired by the Obama admin?

ricky's picture

Didn't you get the Nader talking points?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Why does Karl Rove hate the American justice system?

BobD's picture

He has no respect for the system because he knows he should be locked up and yet he walks the streets a free man. He also knows that the highest lawyer in the country was Alberto Gonzales. Need any other reasons? He was behind Nixon's dirty tricks and paid no price, he does opposition research and makes stuff up and pays no price for it. Why would he think the system works ;)

Why does C&L post this crap?

We all know 911 was an inside job, Al Queda is a CIA/Mossad op and there's no Easter Bunny!

LeftandLeft's picture

This treasonous career liar and fool should be crying for his momma while wearing make up as he washes his cellmate's dirty underwear as we type.

project's picture

Rove is even stupider then he was yesterday?

No, he should be declared an enemy combatant and beat everyday until he's dead. Rove, that is.

Why would I listen to the words of a man that looks like Bunson Honeydew.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Shadowgm's picture

Rove is really a stuffed puppet with someone's hand up his ass?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Shadowgm's picture

... trying this guy in federal court and plastering his picture all over the media as the guy who packed high explosives next to his nuts and FUCKED IT UP. Just as Reid was the Shoebomber, Umad Farouk Abdulmatallab has earned his place in the annals of terrorist FAIL as the PANTSBOMBER. (Or, maybe, since the FBI is releasing photos of Umad Fuckup's singed Calvin's, he should be the Pantybomber.)

It's a damned sight better than treating this schmuck like some highly-trained supercommando who's going to break out of jail and strangle the whole of New York City with his bare hands, inciting legions of the faithful to rise up from wherever and turn America an Islamic state.

Niques's picture

I like that, Shadowgm, and I hope it catches on.

Kate's picture

Quick analysis -- Umad was raised in a rich, cultured environment, but, according to his schoolmates, was not interested in girls and turned increasingly to religion, earning the nickname "The Pope" from his mates. What do you want to bet he's actually gay, and because that's a huge disgrace in Nigeria and in Islam, he could never admit it? Is it just a coincidence that the bomb he was carrying in his underwear would have blasted his genitals?

His culture exerts overpowering pressure on gays, and his religion would make him feel sinful and dirty for any gay attractions he might have felt. But his terrorist mentors would have persuaded him that by becoming a suicide bomber he could atone for his sins and be purified this way.

"Pantybomber" sounds humorous, but this man is probably just another example of insidious religious beliefs destroying a person's innate self.

Dr. Acula's picture

we should just waterboard the mofo, right? After all, it's not like he's already singing like a canary. You are also a f*cking criminal.

SadButTrue's picture

..would have been to round up some random innocent brown person and torture him. Then find out whatever country the guy's from and invade another country a thousand miles away.

<snark>
That would have kept the country safe, fershure.
</snark>


"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."

pissed off patricia's picture

The right's talking point today is that the president spoke yesterday and used the word "allegedly" when he spoke of the hot pants guy. They say he didn't sound angry enough and sounded more like a Harvard law prof than a commander in chief. So since they can't piss and moan about his not speaking out any longer, they are going to parse his words with their superior knowledge of what they think he should say. I guess if the President had come out wearing a cowboy suit said we would get them "dead or alive" they would have been happier.

I would expect nothing less from Rove because his value is nothing less than it ever was. It couldn't be.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Karyn's picture

figures....President Obama is either 'not angry enough' or TOO angry..(angry black man)...

wonder how many of Cheney's goons (who are still in the CIA...) are the ones holding back pertinent information on these people....just so we can have another 'attack'...thus giving Cheney and dipshit daughter the "We told you so" platform. After all, those two (among the other neo cons) have been wetting their pants (hoping???!!!!) hoping we'd get attacked again..so they can 'prove' this Democrat President is 'soft on terror'....Remember, Rummy hasn't totally left the Pentagon either...he says he did..but.....

pissed off patricia's picture

I'm betting we will see Lizard Cheney on one of the Sunday morning shows this week spewing her lizard poison about how she and her dad warned us about this and next time it will be worse and whatever. God only knows what goes on in the dark dank minds of the cheneys.

Never sell the right short, they will always have the color of the President's tie to complain about. There is no low too low for them to go.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

teknikAL's picture

'nuff said.

Dr. Acula's picture

A$$hats!

DevilDog21's picture

...declare martial law, declare every man, woman and child in the world an enemy combatant and execute them on site for whatever heinous crime they have committed, for example divorcing their wives. That would only be fair and balanced, right Karl.

pissed off patricia's picture

Hell, this morning on Morning Joe, Pat Buchanan suggested we should have withheld pain medicine and medical treatment from the guy with the burns on his parts until he told us all we wanted to know about his explosives plot. Republicans seem to have an awful streak in them that enjoys watching those not like them suffer. I think some of them just enjoy the thoughts and acts of torture.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Dr. Acula's picture

has wet dreams about Jack Bauer.

LeftandLeft's picture

It's similar to holding my breath...after a few minutes I'm panting, breathing quickly and disoriented.

pissed off patricia's picture

Joe and his teevee wife are off this week so except for Buchanan the show is almost sane. Willie and the chick who covers the white house for msnbc are the hosts. They are so much better than listening to Joe blow hot air and Mika nod along with his every word.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

miss_kitty's picture

who are suffering, regardless of the reason on the say so of this beady eyed fat fuck, withholding oxygen from assholes like Buchanan should be de rigueur.

... from both wives and reality.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Dr. Acula's picture

Spokeswoman Dana Perino said, "Karl Rove and his wife, Darby, were granted a divorce last week. The couple came to the decision mutually and amicably, and they maintain a close relationship and a strong friendship. There will be no further comment and the family requests that its privacy be respected."

pissed off patricia's picture

Well good for them and all. A couple their age with no small kids getting a divorce and saying they "came to the decision mutually and amicably" and will "maintain a close relationship and a strong friendship", sounds like a couple who has had to come to grips with one of the partners' lifestyle.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Karl Rove hitting on one's wife should mean automatic pussy that night.

"See honey, I'm not him."

pissed off patricia's picture

If Rove hit on me I would be throwing up all night and there would be nothing else going on here.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

miss_kitty's picture

huh?

rove and the entire bush administration
are the only enemy combatants that have
plagued the US for the last 9 years.

RobertD's picture

...we should be holding YOU as a criminal suspect AND enemy combatant.

Samson-'s picture

and who is surprised that at the first possible moment the reichwing would criticize anything short of CIA-led skullfucking of any would-be terrorist by the obama admin?

i am not sure what is going to happen to the pantsbomber, but from what i have read thus far the obama admin is handling this case properly by charging him with a federal crime. hopefully they continue to work within the bounds of civilized society in this case.

Mugsy's picture

(Pardon me if I've spelt the name wrong.)

What did we do in the case of John Walker Lyndh, the so-called "American Taliban"? He was tried and convicted too, no?


* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.

pissed off patricia's picture

His name was brought up on Fox and Friends this morning and they said he was different because he was an American citizen. I guess unless you are an American terrorist, you have no human legal rights, of at least that would seem to be their opinion.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Fox is simply needs to be consistent.

They wouldn't want to piss off the Timothy McVeigh demographic.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

pinkobait's picture

Are traitors "enemy combatants" KKKarl?


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

Bush = Preemptive warfare, war on civil liberties and massive spending

Obama = Preemptive warfare (Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan), war on civil liberties (CIA renditions, Interpol Immunity, extension of patriot act, telecomm immunity, etc.), massive spending (bank bailouts, healthcare reform, military spending up 2% over Bush, etc.)

When will you people open your eyes! Stop sleepwalking over a cliff! This website is dedicated to keeping you in a cereal box. Brand A vs. bran B. Its irrational! Do not try to deny that this website was cheerleading Obama all the way, all the while you could have looked at the easy stuff like HIS VOTING RECORD (i.e. Iraq appropriations twice, extension of the patriot act, telecomm immunity.)

Don't give me the reactionary diatribe on Bush, we all agree he was a bloodthirsty tyrant. They all are. Wake up! Come to your senses! Non-interventionism is the only way. Expand your political language. Educate yourself. It is never too late to stand for freedom.

pissed off patricia's picture

I'm sorry, I was sleeping. Did you say something? I guess I must have missed the part where President Obama declared war on Pakistan and Yemen.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

There is no declaration of war, they don't need to. They have been predator drone bombing Pakistan for the past year, killing hundreds of civilians. We have been carrying out operations in Yemen for the past six months! That is why this useful idiot terrorist claimed he wanted to attack us, because of our intervention in that country! Are you that politically unaware? Sad really.

pissed off patricia's picture

I guess according to your facts I'm just a goof ball, but thanks for all the "facts". I feel so enlightened now. I guess the man from the Yemen embassy I just saw on tv was lying when he said the Yemen government was responsible for the attacks on al qaeda in Yemen.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

That Mick Piobr's picture

McCain/Palin would've been so much better.

BTW, many of us are extremely disappointed with BHO.

The Republicrats represent corporations with rare exceptions.

But people are not uncomfortable enough to revolt, yet.

LeftandLeft's picture

Equating Obama and Bush is the ultimate Conservative lie.

fiver's picture

The Obama Administrations catches plenty of criticism here.

Educate yourself. It's never too late to know what you are talking about.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

This site was one of the biggest cheerleaders for him during the election. Admit it, take your lumps and nut up. There were very obvious signs during the campaign that he was exactly like the other side (see original post). But no you all decided to expose your ignorance and go with the next latest and greatest corporate whore because Jon Stewart told you to. Sad really.

fiver's picture

Especially about the time of the telecom immunity turnaround.

Where were you?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

That Mick Piobr's picture

of clairvoyance.

And I voted for him because Colbert told me to.

Perhaps you should get the twist out of your knickers; your voice is getting very shrill.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

telecom immunity, extension of the patriot act, his promises to pursue terrorists into Pakistan, his support of the Bush bailouts, voting for Iraq appropriations twice. C'mon. Pay attention. This is depressing.

pissed off patricia's picture

Please feel free to ignor anything real stupid that we might say and we shall do the same for you.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Milquetoast's picture

One of Obama's first votes as a senator from Illionois was to promote Condisleaza Rice, (from national security advisor) ...to secretary of state!

voting record? ...what voting record?


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

That Mick Piobr's picture

You obviously have the answer to all of this.

Enlighten me.

pissed off patricia's picture

I think he feels too sorry for us and that we are just not capable of understanding the wisdom he possesses.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

Concerning your Yemen comment: We bombed the hell out of them a few weeks ago.

We have been active there for a long time. This is sad.

pissed off patricia's picture

Bummer, you are so sad today. Each of your post you seem to end it with sadness or depression. Dude, we are not good for you or your attitude.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

That Mick Piobr's picture

What must we do, Mahatma?

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

Google: information clearing house and yemen attacks. We attacked them viscously on Dec. 18th. We killed 120 people on the direct orders from Obama. This is so sad.

LeftandLeft's picture

I sure will be happy when the kids return to school.

pissed off patricia's picture

Maybe things won't be so "sad" then.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

the last refuge of a child....

pissed off patricia's picture

Well, what do you expect us kids to do? We are simply following your lead as you tell us how ignorant we are.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Attack from the left. "Real" progressives are so whipped into a snit they can't tell the difference right now.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Milquetoast's picture

(consider yourself enlightened)

next election, don't vote for either of the two candidates that is "offered"


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

pissed off patricia's picture

Yeah wow, that sounds like a sure fire way to go to hell in a speedy hand basket.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

That Mick Piobr's picture

vote for racist Ron Paul so McLame/Palin can win!

No, thanks.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

Sad.

That Mick Piobr's picture

from the flowing fountain of your unsurpassed wisdom - but apparently you choose to keep the solution to yourself.

I leave you to Milquey so you can discuss the glory of neoconfederate Ron Paul.

Buh Bye!

Dr. Acula's picture

maybe you should become vegetarian.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

But Veganism won't change the world.

pissed off patricia's picture

I know what you mean. We are so ignorant that most of us have to have an aid just to help us get dressed each morning. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to step into a t-shirt.

We are so ignorant that we think everything you tell us is a message from the gods of wisdom.

Sad.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Butcher of Ballyhoo's picture

have been able to grasp the thrust of my first comment. It was a simple concept, and yet you continued to defend the left v. right- Machiavellian-divide-and-conquer-control-paradigm.

Go back to your television, you might be lucky and miss out on an examined life.

pissed off patricia's picture

An examined life?

Has anyone ever told you how amazingly smart you are? I mean you are saying things we are unable to grasp and yet you just keep talking. You might want to go back to your room and play a couple of video games or do something that challenges your mind more than we simple mortals do.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

RayFerd's picture

I'll get right to that after my self (unless you can lend a hand) testicular cancer examination.

Milquetoast's picture

Ralph Nader next time...


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

ricky's picture

he will be on the ballot until they pry his filing fee from his cold dead fingers.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

miss_kitty's picture

nutted up for everyone here. Who gave you authorisation for that? I don't recall turning over my right for you to speak for me. And you're wrong. I was here during the election, and I was never for Obama like that.

Who were you posting as before?

miss_kitty's picture

you speak as if you know this from personal experience. How Ironic!

pissed off patricia's picture

I'm glad you mentioned John Stewart. What are his most recent marching orders for us? I've been out of touch with his show for a couple of weeks now and I'm just sitting here idle waiting for him to issue his next command.

We are making you sad and now we are making you depressed, maybe it would be better for your health if you didn't read our comments at all. I would feel so guilty if we said or did something here in our cereal box to upset you.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

pissed off patricia's picture

Just for the record, I am not now nor have I ever been in a cereal box. And another thing, Capt Crunch is not the same as Trix. Trix are for kids.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Liberalicious's picture

Registration time.

It smells.

They sure are comiing out today. Must be post-holiday whininess.

pissed off patricia's picture

Lots of people have extra time off this week so they resort to their favorite sport of concern trolling. I don't know what is their bag limit but they just missed one shot here thanks to the fast hands of the site monitor.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Hernand Cortex's picture

... almost no one of the people replying to your post refuted any of the items you listed, they simply engaged on character assassination. Rather telling, and depressing...

RayFerd's picture

Maybe you two should get together and bring each other 'up'.

pissed off patricia's picture

Kos has a Mid Day open thread post up and the first subject is interesting for those who feel the president is catering to the right. Seems the right feels the president and the far left are destroying the country.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

That Mick Piobr's picture

The Bush administration was very weak when it came to arresting fat, white, doughy cowards who betrayed their country by outing secret operatives...

Dr. Acula's picture

is defending Yoo & other traitors!

That Mick Piobr's picture

the continued suspension of Habeas Corpus and being AWOL on healthcare reform and so on and on...

pissed off patricia's picture

Yes, damn it all to hell. The President stood in the way of healthcare reform for all these months. Of course there are those who might say the freakin' republicans did everything but call the cops to delay this bill.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

That Mick Piobr's picture

I wouldn't say that. More like - stood out of the way.

And he now claims that he never campaigned on the public option.

I'm disappointed that he hasn't risen to the occasion because I voted for him.

LeftandLeft's picture

But I will always acknowledge the incredible bullshit that he inherited as well as the unprecedented and organized(and unAmerican) obstruction that he faces everyday!

That should be considered also.

That Mick Piobr's picture

I can't think of any other POTUS who inherited such an awful mess from his predecessor - not even FDR.

He's in an awful position. I just think that he could do better if he simply told the truth about the situation instead of worrying about hurting the Repuglicans' feelings.

Dr. Acula's picture

he's in a horrible spot, BUT he won with by a large margin - let's call it a mandate - and he's still pussyfooting around with the rethugs as if they give a sh*t about cooperation (I'm not going to use the "b" word). Unfortunately he's got the blue dog "dems" to contend with as well.

pissed off patricia's picture

Well while he is doing this, he is showing the nation what the gop is all about and the picture they see isn't pretty. We know what's going on and now even those who only see ten minutes of news a day know as well.

They know the goofs that are the tea baggers and they know who stands in the way of the healthcare reform many Americans not only want but desperately need.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

PYTHONCHARLY's picture

right on dude

PYTHONCHARLY's picture

why give more ammunition to the right wing whackos

Kate's picture

That's who Rove looks like -- the Pillsbury Doughboy!

pissed off patricia's picture

For shame, the Pillsbury Doughboy is kind of cute and not a bet nasty. To me, Rove looks like the kid in The Christmas Story, only all grown up.


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Kate's picture

Yes, you're right -- he does look like the xmas story boy. I also like the real Pillsbury Doughboy and long to poke him in the tummy and hear him giggle.

RayFerd's picture

Doughboy bends over?

Donuts!

---------

A man walks into the psychiatrists office wearing nothing but cellophane wrap. The psychiatrist looks up and says, "I can clearly see your nuts!"

Kreskin's picture

Seriously , why pay ANY attention to what turd blossom , Muttlin and the rest say ? This is getting old , it's not news , it's the same old nonsense over and over again from some irrelevant lying right wing scum bags . The best thing we could do is to put them on the " ho hum / what else is new " ignore list . Rove looks like the Pillsbury dough boy ? Nah , he's a Porky Pig look a like if ever there was one , just turn the nose up a wee bit and voila'! ( no offense Porky )


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

andrewjc's picture

"By filing criminal charges, we treat him as a guy who tried to knock over a Seven-Eleven or got caught shoplifting."

Or as a guy who raped a little girl (or boy), or as a guy who murdered his entire family with a pick-axe before eating the remains, or whatever other freakishly evil shit that doesn't result in the person being denied due process and being sent to some gulag by scared-shitless right-wingers.

That Mick Piobr's picture

The Repugs should switch from the elephant emblem in favor of a running, squaking chicken.

Repuglican motto: Bawk, bawwwk pluk, pluk gagawwk!

Democratic motto: Bawk, whatever they say; we're buypartisan, bawwk!

Milquetoast's picture
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audit-prosecute-incarcerate

mudshark's picture

I wonder what the real reason is.
Apparently, it was amicable.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

pissed off patricia's picture

My first idea was maybe Karl is ready to open that closet door and let some light shine in, in an amicable sort of way.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

mudshark's picture

She got paid uber well to keep her mouth shut.
It'll be interesting to see what some nosy reporter will dig up.
Cause you know , someone will start digging for dirt on that MoFo.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

Different Anonymous's picture
.

Exactly. I suspect the first post-administration "consulting" job checks have come in and Karl had enough hush money to finally do the deed.

Karl koming out? Not likely methinks, although maybe a magical night of dancing with a certain bobblehead show host would be enough for Karl to giddy-up the courage to finally accept who he is.

That Mick Piobr's picture

his ex prefers to remain among the living....

pissed off patricia's picture

She probably has enough goods on that bastard to put him under the jail.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

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Samdog's picture

If they (the Bush Administration) had only treated the September 11, 2001 attacks as criminal acts instead of supposed "acts of war" we wouldn't be in this mess we are in now, and quite possibly the Republicans would've maintained power. Rather than going into Afghanistan and later Iraq with guns blazing, we should've acted like we had no idea who had attacked us, while in the background we should have quietly sent in a SEAL team, arrested Osama Bin Laden and his Al Queda hierarchy, and brought him back to face a criminal trial and punishment. No war, no expenditure of money, no nation building, no nothing. Just a criminal being brought to justice by the forces of the law. Seriously, how do you declare war on a loosely connected organization bound by a common religious belief? In the books and movies did the British declare war on S.P.E.C.T.R.E? No, they sent in Commander Bond to take care of business, no fuss, no muss. Did we declare war on Naziism or Fascism? No, we declared war on Germany and Italy and Japan. Only when you start "declaring war" on intangible concepts do you get into trouble like this. Muslim extremism, terrorism, communism, drugs, it is all the same, a black hole you throw money at, only to find in the end you filled it with human bodies instead.

Hernand Cortex's picture

winning them is not the main imperative, extending them is.

Haven't you chaps notised that this glorious "war on terror" (what is next, war on rudeness?) has lasted over twice as long as your involvement in WWII did? And all in the name of defeating some bloody goat fucking wanker with a long beard and failing kidneys...

A lot of serious questions need to be answered. And given the demented sophomoric attitude of a lot of posters in supposedly progressive blogs, like this one, I get the impression that the American society as a whole is nowhere near being grown up enough to deal with asking and aswering those questions.

As lame as the sophomoric attempts at humour by many a poster in this site are, the joke ultimately is on them. China, Japan and the EU will soon want their money back once world markets have stabilised, we'll see who's laughing then in this site.

RayFerd's picture

have big nostrils?

Because they have big fingers!

"Now come on, that wasn't lame. Sophomoric maybe, but not lame. My kids always loved that one."

PYTHONCHARLY's picture

want to set people like KKKarl straight,

vote the rest of these slimeball republi'CON's

out of office.

What's Karl doing on teevee? I thought he would be out on the dating scene or chasing after Jeff Gannon.

pissed off patricia's picture

Maybe someone was waiting for him in the green room while he was on the show. We'll watch and see if he pops up on Hannity's dating site.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

thinkerfromiowa's picture

Why is it that almost every day when I come here, there is a video of Karl Rove plastered on the front page? In comparison, he is hardly mentioned on Daily Kos. Is John Amato really THAT BIG a worshipper of Rove?

miss_kitty's picture

thought it'd skeer ya off.

JohnnyBravo's picture

He conveniently forgot his former boss' administration.


NOBODY 2012

Limp-Dick Blimpaugh's picture

This from a feminine freak who's wife just divorced him for being another Reslug closet gay.

oldretire's picture

Lets see wasn't it Nigeria where the Yellow cake allegedly came from under the republicans and a Supreme Court appointed president. hhmmmm! Wasn't it the "C" str and republicans helping engineer and support the Nigerian legislation for the killing of homosexuals and the imprisonment of those that associated with them. Isn't it the republicans who REFUSE to with draw support for this legislation.
Isn't it true that republicans have been appointed to these Embassies and have a Loyalty to the Party and NOT AMERICA. Wasn't it reported by the Terrorist Father to the Embassy who and what is the Party Affiliation. Again it seems the republicans are right in the middle of it. Now where was and is the Spineless, Gutless, COWARD cheney and what can his communications show us.

No one finds it odd that even before the President has a chance to get briefed and talk to the American people the Racist Nazi Christian Party is already on the air ways with Talking points and Sound Bytes, very very interesting. I find it real real hard to believe this story and I would like a complete look into the War, Fear and Hate Mongers of America known as the republican party the Party that Hates America the party of NO.

Who is continually beating the War Drums remember these people HATE President Obama, they LIED us into the Iraq War, 6their whole premise is WAR, WAR and more WAR. This is way to convenient to be a accident, Christmas Eve., republicans beating the War drum, republicans supporting International Death Laws in Nigeria, republicans who are using every effort of Hatred and lying to turn this Government over. Look at the REPUBLICAN party, Communications and international associations.

Remember it was the Gutless, Spineless COWARD cheney that spoke to the South African president and insisted they keep Mandala behind bars and keep Apthied going, it was this same COWARD that negotiated behind the scenes to get the Australian Gitmo Prisoner RELEASED with NO restrictions. This is a COWARD and his Party is a Party of COWARDS so please investigate these pieces of Anti American crap. Find out what the Nazi and Traitor rove was doing as well.

Andy K's picture

The forged yellowcake document was allegedly from Niger, not Nigeria. Two completely separate countries.

And that anti-homosexual legislation is in Uganda.

merkin's picture

Rove overloads my HATE CAPACITY...

iceman's picture
Why

Where have all the real news reporters gone? No one elver questions these fact challenged blow hards face to face. How is it that these "experts" get TV time with out any questions to prove they are any kind of expert. News has become nor more than entertainment and gosip.

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