Kondracke, Coulter claim Republicans fire their immorality cases like Sanford. Riiiiiiiight
By David Neiwert Thursday Jun 25, 2009 10:00am
The Fox talkers were out trying to spin past the gruesome wreckage of Mark Sanford's political career yesterday, partly by claiming that Republicans always give the boot to such cases of gross immorality, while Democrats are so lascivious that they naturally tolerate such behavior within their own ranks.
First there was Faux Liberal Mort Kondracke on Brett Baier's afternoon show:
Kondracke: But look. You know, multiple affairs did not stop Bill Clinton from being elected president. But that's because the Democratic Party is a lot more tolerant of licentiousness than the Republican Party is. And that's the rub for poor old Mark Sanford here.
Then Ann Coulter attempted more or less the same claim later that day on Sean Hannity's show:
Coulter: But he's a Republican, so he will be gone. Unlike John Edwards, with all of his staff knowing that he --
Hannity: He may not be governor by the end of a couple of weeks.
Coulter: That's right. And even if he is, Republicans vote these guys out, generally.
Oddly enough, Coulter kept bringing up John Edwards, whose political career is pretty much toast -- so it's not a point that actually supported her claim. Moreover, she and Kondracke are glossing over the long history of other Democrats' careers being derailed by sexual hijinks: Gary Hart, Eliot Spitzer, Brock Adams, Jim McGreevy are just a few of the names that come to mind.
Meanwhile, it's not hard to come up with Republicans whose infidelities have been glossed over and "forgiven" (by the pundit class at least). Some of them are major figures in the party even today. To wit:
John McCain, who cheated on his injured first wife and eventually married his mistress. That didn't stop him from being the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee.
Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana, who despite having been caught up in a hooker scandal (in which it was revealed he had a fondness for diapers), retains his senior Republican positions in the Senate and is a lock to be the GOP's nominee for his seat in 2010.
Rudy Giuliani, who cheated on his first two wives, and even used public money and policemen to carry on his affairs (including having cops walk his mistress' dog). Yet Giuliani regularly appears on Fox and other networks as a national Republican mouthpiece.
Newt Gingrich, who, as Steve Benen notes, "obtained his first divorce in 1981, after forcing his wife, who had helped put him through graduate school, to haggle over the terms while in the hospital, as she recovered from uterine cancer surgery. In 1999, he was disgraced again, having been caught in an affair with a 33-year-old congressional aide while spearheading the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton." Yet some quarters have anointed him the front-runner for the GOP nomination in 2012, and he certainly remains one of the most prominent Republicans in the snake-oil biz.
Sure, Republicans fire their immorality cases. Except for the ones they don't. Which is most of them.
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Isn't diaper-boy and toilet tap-dancer still in office?
n/c
that tap dancing pervert with the wide stance. He knew better than to try another run.
He comes to a breakfast and gets a STANDING O. Annie is so fracking idiotic.
He broke the law. He said drug users and dealers should be shot. He didn't go to jail. Republicans, you sure showed him.
Yes because Annthrax Coulter is an authority on family values. Just look at how well she is raising her children... Oh wait...
Will david vitter's seat be pampered in 2010?
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They are all full of shit.
Whatever it is, I'm sure he Luvs to give out lots of Huggies.
LMAO
...pass a law banning married people from becoming politicians. Then these guys can let their little heads do all the thinking for them and no one gets upset.
Clearly, the big heads aren't doing much thinking as it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfRWfmlfNM
preaching morality and "family values" etc...and then pull this kind of crap? Answer that....oh wait, none of you have any credibility or legitimacy anymore. so STFU.
the other route they take for those Repugs they didn't kick out is that they are following Jebus' policy of forgiveness, which only seems to be applied for Repugs. Weird ain't it?
But they assaulted Children and even many of them never saw a jail cell
If repugnacans don't tolerate people like Sanford why do they look to Newt for leadership? He's a walking moral crisis.
their very own, Limbaugh. So much sin, so little time.
I thought "poor old Mark Sanford" was a Democrat.
...Faux Noise.
Just being "faux-cetious." ; )
...faux pas.
will you faux knock it off?
I'm trying to NOT think about teh ghoulter!
for faux sake!
labeled him a D as well.
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Opps, didn't see that that was in reference to CNN until after I posted.
Ya see that bald guy behind sanford?
He looks a weeee bit miffed!
They're just trying to make this about Clenis again.
she built her career on Clenis.
Depending on how you take it.
Doesn't that depend more on where colter takes it?
it's versatile.
She HAS a clenis.
Creepy!
Old Newsmax article:
"Back in the first Bush presidency Linda Tripp was stationed down the hall from the Oval Office. She somehow caught wind on a long known but well-kept Washington secret: President George Bush had a "special" relationship with a staffer named Jennifer Fitzgerald.
In fact, Bush had been "very close" to this Jennifer beginning in Peking back in the days when Bush was our delegate to Red China. So close, in fact, that Barbara Bush had come home to D.C. in a state of "depression."
Years later, during Bush's vice presidency, Jennifer Fitzgerald held a key staff post – and this caused a virtual revolt among his other loyal staffers. They hated the haughty, pushy and arrogant woman who clearly had more "access" to Bush than they did."
Infidelity appears to be a required plank in the GOP platform.
I remember when there were some accusations of infidelity by Bush Sr. As I recall all he did was say 'How dare you!' and the press backed off.
used an affair as an excuse to cover up one particular act of treason. The boys being brought to the White House was swept under the rug as well.
Things came to a head one summer up in Kennebunkport when CNN’s Mary Tillotson asked President Bush if he was having an ‘adulterous’ affair?
Bush went ballistic and decried the question even being asked. He attacked the reporter for "what you are doing."
But he never answered the question.
Instead he later sent out a spokesman to say, "The answer to the ‘A’ question is a big NO."
The spokesman?
His oldest son, George W. Bush.
He must've asked to borrow the keys to the family auto again.
who would you rather have drive the car...Dubya or Laura? Not good odds either way.
Mika and majority of the Morning Joe Panel (Except Willie) seem to be excusing Mark Sanford's behavior. Mika was whining about there is a double standard with Democrats and Republicans and I am still trying to figure out what is she talking about because what I see is that Democrats resign and Republicans don't but what I suspect is going on is that they are trying to figure out an excuse for Joe Scarborough to still run for higher office and not making his past a big deal, but hello, cheating on your first wife with your second wife plus others, along with a d dead woman's body being found in your office and then you suddenly resign from congress is probably not a good path.
But you can almost tell who the adulterers are on this show and they are the ones who are coming out and excusing Sanford behavior; they are the ones who keep saying well Democrats do it to, what about Bill Clinton (memo to morning Joe; everyone knows about Clinton, late night does comedy about him almost every night) and then you have Joe Scarborough trying to call out the night time pundits with a slight threat of exposure because he doesn't like how they are taking glee of Sanford and his hypocritical behavior, but the question I have is, does Joe Scarborough really want to go there because once that door is open it’s open for everyone and I think Joe Scaborough will have more explaining to do than anyone.
he opened the door.
which the republicans created by setting themselves apart from the democrats by way of their asserted unimpeachable morality and fanatical devotion to "family values."
I don't understand why this is difficult to see and how in the hell the media are allowed to spin it into a negative for liberals.
When it broke that Al Gore's house wasn't very eco-friendly, no democrat screamed that criticism of the former VP was an unfair double standard.
Values - you live and die by them.
Ya know, it's really surprising you actually SAW Mika this morning, most of the time it's just the back of the top of her head as she's bobbing up and down in Scarborough's lap...
Brings a whole new meaning to lap-dog, doesn't it? Or would it be a lap-bitch?
temptation...rising....RISING...falling...RISING...gone...
Whew...that was a close one.
Come...let us bask in TV's warming glow...
well...great minds, I suppose.
Come family. Come join Daddy in the snow in front of television's warm glowing warming glow.
Urge to kill....RISING.
Ah thanks for the laughs yous guys...
But L&L...if C&L bans this evil, evil woman...then we'd not have laughs like these.
It's FOX News folks. Their viewers are sitting there nodding their heads up and down in agreement with these liars.
Old Annie seems to have a bit of a fixation on John Edwards. I'm guessing he turned her down at so me point.
What's that old saying...Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
What has that got to do with Coulter?
does Edwards have to do with this Sandford thing anyway? When Edwards was exposed as an adulterer, he held no elected public position nor any serious position in the democratic party. Furthermore, he was fully scorned and ostracized from the party and most of his former (me included) supporters.
Just a start off the top of my head, David Vittner, Jack Ryan, Bob Barr and of course Newt with his multiple wives. Not to mention Strom Thurmond whom the Republicans loved and voted into office for years with his out of wedlock black child. Mark Foley and Larry Craig also come to mind but for other reasons, Ah, the list goes on
Heh, Jack Ryan. You know Republican values are screwed up if he has to have an affair with another woman over Jeri Ryan. Oh well, resistance is futile, I guess.
... already boffing producer Brannon Braga (writer/producer on Star Trek: Voyager) at the time the whole sordid Ryan-likes-to-play-dress-up and have kinkySex story came to light?
"Slap her on the ass Bob Packwood style". Some song called "Right Wing Roundup" by Reverend something or other I can't think of right now. Sung like a square dance song. Funny.
marriage is called fornication by traditional values proponents, and filthy dirty fornicators should not be giving morality lessons to honest, hardworking, God-fearing white Fox viewers.
...talking with nothing to say. Zzzzz.
This list is incomplete without Larry Craig. He admitted to wrongdoing in writing, right? (Even though he tried to "I didn't mean it" back, a few months later?) Foley doesn't count because he actually was removed, but Craig's still standing. Wide standing.
Actually, Larry Craig did not run for re-election (he was likely to lose if he had) in 2008 and was replaced by James Risch.
..thy name is Republican.
Coulter, who cares what she says or thinks. Windbag.
Shouldna that be spelled Clitis?
Short for CLinton pENIS.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3CZYbIPCPo
..no actually, I was trying to not be banned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J6-QAUzCrI
..no actually, I was trying to not be banned.
...calling other people narcissistic. Wow. Just wow.
"He's so full of himself." (Referring to Sanford)
Ann never disappoints. She's always the absolute bottom of the barrel.
"He's so full of himself."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZqKt7q8Uk&fe...
Bush and Reagan had mistresses, and they forced them to have abortions.
Wow,...I've heard about Bush Sr's mistress before, but Reagan and abortions? Care to elaborate?
with Nancy. btw He was our first divorced president. So much for Republican family values, huh?
Junior. Larry Flynt was gonna expose him, but he couldn't get the woman to come clean about it.
They have footage of each and every one of these family values advocates shaking their fists about Bill Clinton's immorality.
....and they crossed their fingers with the other hand.
I know it's hard for average Americans to keep track of the endless stream of Republican perverts, criminals, and scandals.
So as a public service, republicanoffenders (website) provides a long, long, long list of Republican criminals from the past ten years...nicely organized by category: Drugs/Prostitution, Corruption/Bribery, Rape, Lewd Conduct, Murder, Assorted Felonies, Fraud/Embezzlement etc etc etc...and a ridiculously huge section on Pedophiles, as would be expected.
Looks like only about 400 or so Republicans listed...so it's obviously a work in progress.
Oh.......I can't wait to email that to my brother in law, right wing ass person, who stole my sister from her husband while he was married and has been inundating me with emails protesting the unfair treatment Sanford has been getting. Thanks!
Resigning (the GOP can't FIRE Governor Sanford, y'know - this is a democracy) is a hail-mary play that is more about the GOP cutting its losses than acknowledging their ranks are replete with the corrupt and dishonest.
Can these MORONS get anything right, does this anal retentive BIMBO understand what is going on, then the very nit wit network she is on IDs' this CLOWN as a Democrat. Oh I forgot its fair and balanced for the IDIOTS who lack critical thinking and the HATE Mongers march on.
I do not condone marital infidelity, but...
...if every politician/public official who has been unfaithful was booted out of office, we would have damned few officials. The US may not have even become a country, because Benjamin Franklin was a notorious womanizer. He even brought home his illegitimate son for his wife to raise. Historians are still not sure who the biological mother was.
My point is, yes, this is immoral. But it is a family matter, not a public one. It should have no bearing on a politician's career. Republicans would have done well to remember that when they tried to destroy Clinton, because it would seem we have been seeing a lot of poetic justice lately.
Dragging this country into a war based on lies and shredding the Constitution should be impeachable offenses; covering up extramarital affairs should not.
He flew to Argentina on state taxpayers expense, essentially abandoned his job for seven days, and with his fall also took down the rising star of his state.
Additionally, the family-values crowd is less likely to vote for his reelection now.
And those reasons--the abandonment of his job, etc.--are ample reasons for him to be fired. His job was directly affected by his actions.
I agree, SFnomad, about the hypocrisy of the Republicans. They should learn to shut up about being the "family values" party, because it has become a joke.
Liberalicious--As for it being a character issue...yes, I can see that, but really, are we still naive enough to believe that our leaders are perfect? I guess it boils down to Big Evil vs. Little Evil. And I still maintain that marital infidelity should be no business of the public. The Republicans would do well to learn that and quit their public moralizing.
As a friend and former Navy SEAL put it, "If you do the big stuff, don't do the small stuff."
It's not the dead body and metric assload of cocaine in your trunk that gets you - it's running the red light and getting pulled over, then acting all tweaky.
As has been pointed out, adultery is against the law in South Carolina, so, to that end, it IS the business of the public.
Public moralizing on the part of politicians is an entirely separate problem. If Sanford had been a model husband and father, it's still not his place to preach Christian values or any other nonsense.
(actually, I DO get tired of it) If he's going to swear an oath that he loves someone above all others and promises fidelity, swears he loves his kids more than life itself, then breaks all the tenets to which he agrees in a legally binding contract he makes to his BFF, and lies and breaks promises to those who are the closest to him, serially, and spends co-owned family money on shagging outside the vows, why could he be trusted to keep the oath of office? Why wouldn't he misuse public funds? He misuses his family money, steals from his wife and kids to fuck his buddy.
Do people think that what someone does in their private life happens in a bubble and that activity at home isn't a template for the whole package, public life as well? This was serial behaviour, not a one-off
how can anyone else trust you? Simple concept. Extrapolate as you will.
I would agree, except that Republicans are constantly moralizing about the sacred institution of marriage and how they're protecting it from teh gays and all. They expect others to live up to a level of morality they can't even uphold themselves.
Although there are those that say it could be a character issue. However in Sanford's case, he jeopardized his state while pursuing this. Why this is not focused on is beyond me. Clinton was irresponsible too, as this behavior can open one up to blackmail and or infiltration by an agent. But this sort of thing has been going on since politics began.
Although there are those that say it could be a character issue. However in Sanford's case, he jeopardized his state while pursuing this. Why this is not focused on is beyond me. Clinton was irresponsible too, as this behavior can open one up to blackmail and or infiltration by an agent. But this sort of thing has been going on since politics began.
I can't remember but I think it was Chris Rock who joked that Clinton was a busy man and just rolled his chair out in the hall and said "Ahh...I need a BJ" got it and went right back to work.
PS Michael Jackson is dead of a heart attack.
We wouldn't have 'damned few officials' - we would have officials who could keep their flagpole in their pants.
Sanford went off to Argentina (i.e. American official having illicit liaison with foreign national) without delegating his authority. If he were a military officer, that would be dereliction of duty.
This is more about the hypocrisy than the infidelity.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/163110152_f...
Sanford:...don't cry for five days in Argenteeeena!!
SC Voters: you're not suppose to beee immoral, that';s all we wanted, not much to ask for....
Sanford: I made no proooomice, now keep you're distance......
Why the Hold-Up in Connecticut's Investigation into Ann Coulter's 'Voter Fraud'?
By Brad Friedman on 6/22/2009 5:05AM
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Let me preface my comment by stating that I have, I guess, interesting views on human sexuality and on relationships in general, so I come from the frame of mind that cheating, while very much unfair to the party being cheated on, is probably more in line with being human than being with one person for the rest of your life, like marriage.
That being said, my issue with Sanford is not with him cheating. I take issue with the fact that he made himself into being this morally superior person and denounced anyone who didn't act as self-righteously as he did. I take even more issue that a father could abandon his children on Father's Day or actually on any day of the year and let his children worry about his safety. I take issue that his wife, his supposed partner in life, had no idea where her husband was (although I'm thinking she might had). These are actions that I think show a callous, selfish individual. While I think these actions are cruel, I might not think they are worthy of removing a person from office.
No, the reason why he should step down from office is because his little rendezvous in Argentina was paid for by the good people of South Carolina even though this is the same Mark Sanford only months ago that was unwilling to accept stimulus money because it was "wasteful."
So, to summarize, wasting money to see your lover in Argentina is okay, but accepting money to help the people in your state during a recession/depression is absolutely horrendous. This kind of fallacious reasoning is why he should not be a governor or in any public seat.
The GOP preaches morality and "values" while holding itself as morally superior. Complete and total hypocrisy.
...I so believe Coulter.
Of course, Coulter is right, as she always is. That's why those two moral giants Newt Gingritch, a serial adulterer, and Rush Limbaugh, a homosexual pedophile, are the titular heads of the Republican Party....because the Republicans have a zero tolerance policy for moral failings.
Heh heh, "titular" is Rush's favorite word.
By the way, he said today on the radio that Sanford fucked around because of the ecomomy. He said " Sanford just said screw it! I'm going to do it!"
The woman in question actually showed up on an episode of "This is Your Life". Yeah, I know it was a weird topic for a game show, but I remember that one in particular.
Please, C&L for the luvva God, will you please give a **graphic images** warning when you put up a Coultergeist video. I almost had a projectile vomit moment, there. Thanks!
STOP POSTING ABOUT ANN COULTER.
We all know what she's going to do or say about pretty much any given subject. She, like the rest of the right's talking heads, are predictable like that. At first it was watchable in that auto-accident-can't-turn-from-the-carnage kind of way. Now it's just annoying and depressing. Depressing because posting any and all of her shit keeps her in the spotlight. Which is where she wants to be. You're giving her what she wants. AGGHHHH!!!
Let's just drop her from ANY debate and move on, not bolster her viewership by focusing on her. I doubt anyone is surprised by what she says anymore. I predicted this very transcript two days ago whilst on the shitter, actually. Get the spotlight off of her.
You never hear her name mentioned when something serious is discussed. She's a joke. A dirty joke.
gotta giver her that
Yeah, that's why both Craig and Ensign got standing ovations their first time back in the Senate. Right.
It's almost like Sanford is trying to destroy his career. I mean, he was AWOL from his job for a week; left he country to cheat on his wife (with a Latina/Hispanic no less); blew off his 4 sons for Fathers's day; and likely wasted a whole bunch of taypayer money.
Boy, I never knew until now what a powerful force gay marriage *really* is. Where's DOMA when you need it?
That stick figure is saying Clinton isn't a "hunk a burning love"? Has Coulter seen herself in the mirror? If not, it was probably because she was probably looking at herself sideways in which case the only thing visible would have been her adam's apple.
I think she's pissed off that Bill wouldn't look at her twice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgstr7x4AQ
This a big pet peeve of mine. Both sides have affairs and get investigated for corruption. All politicians are corrupt; it is only a matter of degree. Stop saying one side is more moral than the other, because their not.
Except for one party always claims the moral high ground, then goes around doing what they said not to do.
BillyC was mortally by the GOPACers with Monicitis. They sent several Republican Knights up the hill to destroy the damaged BillyC and failed. Who were they? Dan Burton. Bob? Livingston. Hyde? Who else? The Reps. must have figured out that they had no moral superiors to BillyC. I know Dan Burton is still around. Ann please get that immoral one fired.
why dont we ask bill maher
What has Ann Coulter done for the sanctity of marriage lately?
"Coulter kept bringing up John Edwards, whose political career is pretty much toast"
She's always had a hard-on for Edwards, anyway. I guess because he had the audacity to talk about the poor in his campaign. She even attacked John and Elizabeth about the death of their son. Evil biatch.
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It looks like Gingrich-Palin in 2012. OH BOY!!!
Ya gotta love these clowns! At least Slick Willie got a volunteer, and didn't charge taxpayers or campaign contributors for his nookie like Ensign & Sanford. It's WONDERFUL to watch an entire hypocritical "movement" and Party self-destruct.
You can tell your grandchildren about this. When they're old enough.
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Why Scarlet, we, the moral majority, the Christian right wing for Jesus, we are believers in Jesus...the Chirst. We believe in the sacrifice and the blood he gave so we might be saved. We have such a moral obligation to our Christ that "HIPOCRISY" is our answer to Christ.Adultery, Greediness, Insincerity, total damnation of our Christ name is in vain. That's our belief in Christ and Christianity. Christ always preached against hipocracy.. So FIRE SANFORD! He's adulterated with a transvestite. The kind we republicant's fanatasize about. The bitch can do it all(because he's a man with a latin accent). In the name of Christ our Saviour! We are the lords "hipocrits". We swear to Christ that we don't lie. We are the republicants, just waiting for the "great rupture".
FIRE SANFORD....LIKE WE ALWAYS DO TO OUR IMMORAL MAJORITY! We ALWAYS do that. That's what we do.
Now some crock-tears and we won.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/06/...
If that was the case, Oliver North would have been sent off in shame! Instead, he's lauded as a hero by republicans! Sean Hannity regards him as a demigod!
Coulter needs to make up her mind. She's against philandering men serving in government, so Sanford should be thrown out, except he he not be thrown out because if he were a democrat he would be allowed to stay (like Elliot Spitzer). But if you're against philandering men serving in government then you would be hoping that Sanford gets thrown out, rather than complaining about it, wouldn't you? What a clown.
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