Mythbusting Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism

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[Note: My cohort at Orcinus, Sara Robinson, has been nearly as preoccupied the past couple of weeks in dealing with media requests to discuss the recent spate of domestic terrorism now washing up on our shores. She posted her thoughts about it yesterday, and it was so good, I had to pass it along to our readers here. -- DN]

By Sara Robinson

It's been a wild couple of weeks for those of us in the wingnutology business. Our services have been in tremendous demand as the mainstream media tries to sort out the meaning of what Scott Roeder and James von Brunn did. I've done an average of one radio show every day for the past two weeks trying to help various lefty talkers around the country make some sense of it all; and I'm generally gratified at how seriously people are starting to take this.

At the same time, I'm also appalled (though, sadly, hardly surprised) by the conservative mythmaking that's going on around the very serious issue of right-wing domestic terrorism. So it's obviously time to pull together another "Firing Back" piece to give progressives what they need to separate fact from fiction when these talking points start flying.

I've actually had every one of the following myths pitched to me by on-air interviewers, phone-in callers, and/or online commenters over the last two weeks. Most of them have come up over and over, which suggests to me that you're likely to encounter them, too. So let's walk 'em through:

1. These are just "lone wolf" psychos who are acting alone. You can't hold anybody else responsible for what crazy people decide to do.

True and false. But mostly false.

It's true that every one of the nine right-wing terrorists who've made the news since January 20 had a history of mental illness, domestic violence, and/or drug abuse. Several were veterans who were having a really hard time adjusting to civilian life. None of these people could reasonably be considered sane; and, for whatever twisted reasons, they made a personal choice to do what they did.

But it's not true that they were acting alone. People who are dealing with these kinds of demons are often drawn into movements that offer a strong narrative that helps them make sense of a world that never seems to add up right for them. They're usually drawn into organizations like Operation Rescue or the Minutemen that are nominally non-violent; but which also indoctrinate them into a worldview that justifies and motivates people to commit terrorist acts. They come to believe that they must do this to save the world, to serve God, and to be the heroes they desperately want to be.

They're already walking sticks of dynamite. But it takes the heat of that apocalyptic, dualistic, eliminationist, pro-violence narrative to light their fuses and make them explode.

Unfortunately, these groups also make it easy to take that final step over the line, because they often have close ties to other more secretive groups that do advocate and plan terrorist violence as a solution. Operation Rescue teaches that killing abortion doctors is justfiable homicide; and then feeds its most extreme members into the Army of God. The Aryan Nations and several other white nationalist groups supplied the nine members of The Order, a racist terrorist group that killed two people (including left-wing talker Alan Berg) and stole over $4 million during a nine-month spree in 1984. Al Qaeda got many of its recruits from the nominally non-violent (but still radical) Hizb al-Tahrir. Of course, when violence actually occurs, these groups always denounce it -- but they also usually have a very good idea of who was involved, because they've been hanging around with the perpetrators for quite a while themselves.

One of the things the public is finally beginning to understand is that the "lone wolf" story has never been accurate, because these guys are never really alone in the world. Every one of them was well-marinated in large, long-established subcultures that put them up to terrorism, and promised to make heroes out of them if they succeeded.

2. These terrorists are really left-wingers, not right-wingers. Because everybody knows that fascism is a phenomenon that only occurs on the left.

False does not even begin to cover the absurdity of this claim.

Fascism has always been a phenomenon of the right. Every postwar academic scholar of fascism -- Robert Paxton, Roger Griffin, Umberto Eco, and onward -- has been emphatically clear about this. Mussolini admitted as much. It's part of the very definition of the word.

Jonah Goldberg has gotten a lot of traction on the right for his argument that fascism is somehow a left-wing tendency; but in his badly argued, barely-researched tome Liberal Fascism, he gets here by taking logical leaps that no college professor would accept from the greenest freshman. The worst, perhaps, is the way he conflates "fascism" with "totalitarianism." There is such a thing as left-wing totalitarianism: Stalinism and Maoism both qualify. But they were communist, not fascist, movements. It's only when totalitarianism happens on the right that we call it fascism.

Still, this idea has caught on like wildfire, and is being widely promoted by right-wing talkers like Glenn Beck. If you want the full takedown on this, I refer you to Dave Neiwert's exhaustive series of debunking articles, which are linked to in the sidebar at Orcinus.

3. Public right-wing groups like Operation Rescue or the Minutemen don't advocate violence, so these acts have absolutely nothing to do with them.

As noted above: these groups may not engage in violence themselves, but they do provide the narrative and worldview that convinces people that terrorism is the only available means of getting what they want. As I wrote here, these narratives have a very specific structure that sets people up for terrorism:

Long before they turn dangerous, political and religious groups take their first step down that road by adopting a worldview that justifies eventual violent action. The particulars of the narrative vary, but the basic themes are always the same. First: their story is apocalyptic, insisting that the end of the world as we've known it is near. Second: it divides the world into a Good-versus-Evil/Us-versus-Them dualism that encourages the group to interpret even small personal, social, or political events as major battles in a Great Cosmic Struggle -- a habit of mind that leads the group to demonize anyone who disagrees with them. This struggle also encourages members to invest everyday events with huge existential meaning, and as a result sometimes overreact wildly to very mundane stuff.

Third: this split allows for a major retreat from consensus reality and the mainstream culture. The group rejects the idea that they share a common future with the rest of society, and curls up into its own insular worldview that's impervious to the outside culture's reasoning or facts. Fourth: insiders feel like they're a persecuted, prophetic elite who are being opposed by wicked, tyrannical forces. Left to fester, this paranoia will eventually drive the group to make concrete preparations for self-defense -- and perhaps go on the offense against their perceived persecutors. Fifth: communities following this logic will also advocate the elimination of their enemies by any means necessary, in order to purify the world for their ideology.

Once people have accepted these ideas as truth, terrorist violence begins to seem like an unavoidable imperative -- and lone wolves, smelling blood, will start to hunt for targets.

4. This is just a minority movement that isn't really capable of changing anything. We don't really need to worry about it.

False. And evidence of tremendous denial.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of hate groups in the US is up 40% since 2000, with nearly 1000 such groups active across the country right now. Fueled by bone-deep racism, an unnatural terror of liberal government, frustration over the economic downturn, and fears about America's loss of world standing, they tell us, the militant right is rising again. You can find groups in every corner of the country, incidents of racist violence are rising; and the traffic on far-right websites is up, too.

Make no mistake: the right-wing radicals are angry, and there are enough of them out there to do some real damage. As noted, they're far more cohesive and better-connected than they've ever been. And they're only getting started.

5. It's not fair to hold right-wing media talking heads responsible for the things their listeners might do.

Riiight.

Advertisers will spend about $50 billion this year on TV ads, and another $15 billion on radio. That's a lot of money. These ads take up roughly one-third of every hour of airtime -- and sponsors pay up gladly, because long experience has shown that broadcast ads are a very powerful way to influence consumer behavior.

But this argument asks us to believe that what happens during the other 40 minutes per hour has absolutely no effect on anybody, ever. Got that? Ads: Powerful influences on behavior. Featured content: No influence whatsoever. Absurd.

Furthermore: conservatives have railed against Hollywood for decades, claiming that movies, TV shows, music, and videogames are a powerful corrupting influence on the country's morals. They've howled even louder in recent years about Al-Jazeera's perceived negative effect on the political discourse in the Middle East. But when it comes to their own media -- no, no, nothing to see here. Nobody's really listening to us, let alone acting on anything we might say. How could you even suggest such a thing?

As usual, they're trying to have it both ways. The religious right came to power almost exclusively on the persuasive (and fundraising) strength of cable TV shows. The conservative grip on the country's red counties is largely attributable to right-wing talk radio and FOX News. Obviously, conservatives strongly believe that other people's media have tremendous power to undermine their preferred narratives; and there's no denying that they've been very aggressive in using it to promote their own worldview for decades.

But now they're turning around and insisting that nope -- nobody ever did anything because some talking head told them to. And that sound you hear? Don't worry -- it's just the head of the ad sales department quietly having a stroke because we've completely undermined her ability to ever sell another spot.

6. All that crazy stuff you hear on the right -- you can find the left wing saying things just as bad. They're equally culpable for how bad it all its.

False. There is no equivalency whatsoever to be drawn here.

It’s absolutely true that the commenters can get just as out of hand on liberal sites as they do on conservative ones. (And most of us who've been hanging around the Internets for a while have the flamethrower scars to prove it.) But the problem has nothing to do with the commenters. It has to do with the opinion leaders who are driving the conversation.

On the right, it's actually hard to name a single major voice who hasn’t called for the outright extermination, silencing, harassment, or killing of liberals. Rush. Bill O’Reilly. Ann Coulter. Sean Hannity. Laura Ingraham. Michelle Malkin. Michael Savage. Glenn Beck. Bernard Goldberg, who has been cited by at least one assassin as the inspiration for his actions. Michael Reagan, just yesterday. This kind of eliminationist language is stock in trade on the right. A lot of them literally cannot get through the week without it.

And I’m sorry -- but you just don’t hear anything like this same murderous vitriol coming from any of the major voices on the left. Kos’ commenters may engage in that, but Kos himself does not. Nor does Arianna. Ed Schultz talks tough, but he's never called for liberals to silence conservatives. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are flaming liberals — but they would choke on air before actually threatening anyone with bodily harm. Both of them have said repeatedly that they regard that kind of thing as a grossly irresponsible use of a media soapbox. Every reputable left-wing leader or talker wholeheartedly agrees.

Furthermore: you don’t see Volvos and Priuses (Prii?) out there sporting "conservative hunting licenses,” despite the fact that "liberal hunting licenses" have been a hot item on the right for years. We’re not the ones driving the huge surge in gun purchases, either. And most importantly: You don’t see us out there shooting up fundamentalist churches, crisis pregnancy clinics, conservative gatherings, or cops. You have to go all the way back to the 1970s to find anything like that kind of overt political terrorist violence coming from the left. But starting in the 1980s, we've had ongoing waves of it coming out of the right -- now including the nine separate violent right-wing attacks on innocent Americans since Obama was inaugurated.

I agree that it’s time to dial this down. But since it's the right wing who gathers power by whipping up people’s fear and anger — and it's the right wing (and only the right wing) that's now actually taking up arms and killing people — then all I have to say is:

You first.

7. "Dial it down?" Don't you mean that you want to use the power of government to forcibly shut up right-wing hate talkers?

False. There are a few folks in Congress who tried to gin up support for some kind of legislation -- but progressives should resist this impulse, and denounce it as the shameless grandstanding that it is. We believe in the First Amendment. And if we compromise it now, we're no better than the Bush-era conservatives who were so eager to shred the Constitution when they felt threatened. We are better than that -- or should be.

Besides, we've already perfected a tried-and-true method that actually works. Even better: it's grounded completely in conservative free-market philosophy; so if when the right wing starts blustering about it, we get to fire right back and call them out as hypocrites. Big fun all around...and so much more elegant than wantonly trampling on people's civil rights.

Short and simple: we take our appeal to the advertisers. We note who the hate talkers are, what they're saying, what date and time they said it -- and then we write letters to the CEOs of the companies that sponsored those shows. Do these people speak for you? Is this the kind of media you want your product associated with? If the answer is no, what do you intend to do about it?

Note that this is not a boycott -- just a call for moral accountability. Being associated with hate speech is so bad for business in so many ways that no boycott should be required. It taints the brand. It usually violates the sponsors' own HR standards -- any employee who said that stuff at the office would be canned on the spot. It's horrible PR, especially if some enterprising blogger decides to make an issue out of it. Simply pointing that out has often been enough to convince executives that it's a bad idea, and they need to get out before it blows up in their faces.

Don Imus lost his show this way. So did KSFO's Melanie Morgan. (There's even a verb for it -- "spockoed" -- referring to the blogger who used this technique to get Morgan and several other California hate talkers off the air.) It turns out that advertisers actually read these letters -- especially when they're getting them by the hundreds. It doesn't take much of this before they pull back their ads; and when their major sponsors walk away, the talkers lose their shows. They may thrash a little -- but usually, it's all over in a matter of just a few weeks.

Note, too, that both TV and radio stations are already losing revenue year over year at a rate that's starting to rival newspapers, so they're probably even more exquisitely sensitive to this kind of pressure now than they were just a couple years ago. If we want these people off this air, this is the way to get them gone for good -- and make the cultural point that this garbage is no longer acceptable on the nation's airwaves.

8. But what you're suggesting is censorship! You're trying to censor free speech!

Oh, please. Anybody who argues this with a straight face shouldn't be allowed into a voting booth until they're sent back to eighth-grade civics for a basic refresher, because they apparently know less about the Constitution than the average immigrant who's had to take a citizenship test.

Follow me here: "Censorship" is strictly defined as "government suppression of free speech."

When citizens appeal directly to advertisers, that's not censorship, because the government isn't anywhere in the mix. It's just the Almighty Divine Hand of the Unfettered Free Market at work, y'all. The sponsors are voting with their dollars -- which, in the conservative free-market utopia, is precisely how it's supposed to work.

9. What about that guy who shot the recruiters in Arkansas -- isn't that proof that the left wing is just as bad as the right?

False. I mean: really, really false.

Abdulhakim Mohammed's assassination of two military recruiters was an act of Muslim terrorism, no different than 9/11 or the London subway bombings or Richard Reid and his amazing explosive sneakers. He didn't have a pile of Thom Hartmann books in his apartment. There have been no reports that his computer bookmarks linked to Firedoglake and Crooks & Liars. Near as we can tell, Mohammed was radicalized after being held and abused in a Yemeni prison -- and had absolutely no association with the American left at all.

Yes, he said that he did it because he protested the war. (I actually fielded a radio caller who insisted that his opposition to the war was de facto proof that he's a raving liberal.) But here's a news flash, kiddos: You don't need to be a progressive to think the war was a bad idea. It may come as a surprise to learn that there are a lot of people in other parts of the world who also think it was a bad idea. An absolutely shocking number of them are Muslims and/or people who've spent time in the Middle East. Go figure.

It's a sign of how far detached from reality the right wing is that it no longer can tell the essential difference between Muslim terrorists and garden-variety American progressives. We're not wrong to ask: should people who are that thoroughly blinded by their prejudices be issued drivers' licenses?

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This is terrorism we're dealing with. We can't afford to let ourselves be distracted by spin. We will not be able to respond effectively until we're able to deal in facts. The sooner we shoot down these myths, the sooner we'll be able dispel fear, think clearly, and start having some real, honest conversations about the actual threats we face.

[Cross-posted at OurFuture.org.]



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Is Beck an extremist neo-con or just straight up nuts?

The neo-cons are very much like the hard liners in Iran.

Beck does not have to be one or the other. He is both.

Wow

Listen to them start up!
When this all broke they did ,for about a day or two, take a step back and try and defend public speech. Like the little ones that they are they ended up patting each other on the backs to make themselves feel better appearing on each others shows etc.
When the middle and left started defending the right what happened?
The right attacked and blamed it all on the left?
I really wish I could figure out how to put these people in there place!

if they can protest Letterman and raise that much attention with so few people cant we do the same with these nut case's?
granted Im all for free speech but damn.

Fascism occurs on the left.
The Nazi were lefties then, so the communists were what???? Holy Crap these people are just batshit insane.

Yes, by that reasoning, since the Nazis and Soviet communists were enemies, the communists were........right-wingers!!

Whew! This neocon logic is amazing!

World War II historians have it all wrong.

It wasn't a war between ideologies, it was simply an inter-liberal war with both sides (The USSR and the Nazi state) fighting over who could claim themselves as THE true liberal ideology.

I mean, Jesus Christ... you think it's a coincidence that both Stalin and Hitler had facial hair?



{/snark}

the propaganda machine isn't so much concerned with accuracy; just keep on message, i.e.--

right wing is good; anything else is bad.

if something bad is done, it is the fault of adversaries and critics.

and keep their critics fighting back instead of taking initiative. right wing knows others play checkers instead of chess.

my assessment.

You've got your ideologies reversed.

Fascism and Nazism are considered extreme RIGHT-wing philosophies; Communism is considered extreme left-wing.

and extremely valuable. I hear these exact bullshit lines everyday. It's great to hear a straight forward succinct takedown of each one in turn. Thanks for the great work.

Isn't it amazing that these right-wing nutjobs claim no personal responsibility for their words; these murders are the result of "lone wolves" acting on their own, and have NOTHING to do with the incessant drone of people calling OB-GYNs "murderers" and "baby killers" or calling Obama an illegitimate president?

Yet O'Reilly blames rap music for misogyny and Palin blames a single joke by Letterman for fostering child rape and molestation.

Yes, they have freedom of speech, and me and the much much maligned ACLU will defend to the death their right to spout their poison; but we have free speech too, and have the right to petition their sponsors, express our opinions on their contribution to the violence and basically call them out. Calling them hateful co-conspirators is NOT censorship; it is using MY free speech!

"but we have free speech too, and have the right to petition their sponsors, express our opinions on their contribution to the violence and basically call them out. Calling them hateful co-conspirators is NOT censorship; it is using MY free speech!"

and then we advocate for expanding women's health access and ask their sponsors to contribute.

blowing back the blow-back.

some people are addicted to hate. i think beck understands addiction and hate. he's a master at providing that message of: they hate you so you can hate them. i think beck appeals to the demographic that sees a very narrow view of what's to be accepted in this country. i still believe beck and some of his viewership hide behind the libertarian philosophy. it sounds good individualism and freedom as long as you do it their way.

along with automatic transmissions and automotive air conditioners. (OK, the latter two maybe not as many or as well as in recent years, but...)

we build, the more hate we seem to produce. Idle hands (and empty wallets)... .

Note, too, that both TV and radio stations are already losing revenue year over year at a rate that's starting to rival newspapers, so they're probably even more exquisitely sensitive to this kind of pressure now than they were just a couple years ago.

Also by this same logic, sponsors do not have the money they had to spread around a few years ago so if they are putting precious resources into a radio program that is spewing hate it would not take much to get them to funnel those resources/dollars into a different program that is less hateful and more nice like a left wing program like Mike Malloy for example. Well maybe not Mike Malloy but Bill Press or any of the MSNBC programs except Joke Scarborough.

The more they say the more crazy they sound.
republicanism is a mental illness!

Beck doesn’t know his left from his right.

Nor his ass from a hole in the ground.

Is going to be the new game show on Fox News Channel.

I'd be glad to introduce Beck's head to either.

Sadly, it isn't limited to Beck. That entire network seems to believe that right-wing extremism is the norm and incorrectly lumps the terms fascist and Nazi with their ideological opposite.

I cannot believe the enormous stage this man has been given to spew his crap. "The pot is boiling, the pot is boiling"...yeah, that's it, Beck, keep up with the scare tactics.

"They'll be coming for the Jews"....Oh, come on. In my estimation, Israel is the most powerful country on Earth. It practically owns America, knows the America will never seriously criticize it (See the USS Liberty incident) and the conventional wisdom is that it has hundreds of nukes. Poor little Israel.

Oh, and it has the best and most ruthless Intelligence Service in the Mossad.

completely off-topic rant about Israel. We need to be reminded that there's some none-too-steady folks on our side, too.

Beck mentioned Israel in his little rant and I called him out on it. I'm not lumping all jews into the same pot as Mossad and the government of Israel but thanks for projecting for me.

Beck also mentioned the jews of Europe being threatened once again when his "pot" boils over. I don't live in Europe but I know a lot of immigrants from Muslim countries are moving into northern European countries, esp. France, Germany and England. Wouldn't it make more sense that these people would be targetted for racism first?

Bravo!... simply Bravo ♥

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PS. Thank you David and even more so Sara! ;)

Amended:Due to the abundant amount of reality you've just bestowed and my retentive capabilities in hindsight; I will respectfully request a teleprompter. Somebody... bring me a teleprompter! I suppose, I could use "crib notes", though I'd prefer not to be in bed with them! ;)

At first I thought the headline was Masterbaiting
Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism...

Maybe then they'd relax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLrXFw76Qg

this demographic is important for the ever so shrinking (r) party. there are plenty in this demographic that act/chant anti-government rhetoric/hyperbole but in some cases they are co-dependent of the government. in some cases this anti-government is a cover-up for economic reality. i have a friend that manages a decent apartment complex that has some section 8 housing availability. she told me there are
plenty of palin/mccain bumper stickers on vehicles in that area/demographic parking spots. this is not an assault on section 8. it's just interesting the hypocrisy in order to deceive others that you may be collecting from the government. that's often looked down upon especially if you belong to the anti-gov. culture club.

)O(

Actually there are two extreme forms: authoritarian and totalitarian. But if you think of the extreme left and the extreme right as a line that you turn into a circle the seem essentially the same, particularly to the populace under them.

But fascism is a historical movement, and the there's always a danger of using faulty historical analogies, which in this case doughy pantload and limpballs jr., are trying to push.

Why is political correctness a part of a political storm? Any why are people who are seeking answers to 9/11 compared to white supremists? Why is he comparing conservatives to Jews in some kind of a witch hunt? How is the crazy, racist,Jew hater Von Braan who in his own words thinks that "Bit by bit Liberalism ascended" considered a left wing nut? If this is crazy eyed Beck's retort to all the answers in the world, he better get back to Sean hannity for some better copy writers.

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on their own statements is a violation of terms of service? Explain what I did wrong, please.

I'd expect this from Red State; Is this response peculiar to Mr. Neiwart?

maybe we'll talk about this again, but i just want to say i resent your insinuation for some very personal, familial reasons.

if you knew the whole story, you'd be eating crow right now.

peace, brother.

I shouldn't automatically assume.

it just kinda hurt because you're a real smart guy i usually respect a lot.

please bear in mind, "bauer" may be german, but it is a family name VERY well known to some important historical jews, and not for the wrong reasons.

One of the primary functions of the rightwing propaganda machine has long been to weaponize the ignorance of the masses in order to dupe the public into serving the best interests of the propagandists, even if doing so is expressly against the best interests of that public itself. It's pretty much the only thing these crazies do well, and with their pals in the media and the cowards in government they've done more damage to American democracy in the last couple of decades than has ever been done before.

Weaponizers of Ignorance; How I'd love to see these malignant clowns branded with that derogatory label in the public arena.

Be very careful when you back an animal into a corner, against a wall... not so much.

..government suppression of free speech?

I got news for you...it's the people you are highlighting that wants censorship. The Becks, the Biilos and the ditto-heads. They're the ones advocating censorship..you just don't realize it..

beck's purpose is to continue the dualism. what side will you pick. for those who don't know.the (r) will tell you what party will you stand for. this is how we'll do it. will talk anti-government, same sex marriage,gun control and abortion. these are used to get people vote against their own best economic rationale. the right has some concern with single PAYER health ins. if it did pass it would strengthen the (D) party possibly for a generation. this (r)/(i) i'm speaking of are economically challenged/less educated. they may want/need the government help which goes against their established culture club. so if they do accept government help they vote on abortion or anti gun control to rationalize the side they pick.as the economic gap widens there's plenty of concern to mainTAIN a two party/plus system. with the (r) party currently smaller the fox audience is reminded what they stand for. it's interesting social propaganda.

Authoritarian behavior was a subject of interest after WWII. Our government wanted to know how a person like Hitler could come into so much power, so some governments (not just america) had several studies done over the next few decades.

The BEST one was the study done by Bob Altemeyer. The title of the report is 'The Authoritarians'. It took 40 years, and was posted on the web to download for free.

He was going to publish it as a book, but then realized that it was too important, since signs were showing that this country becoming strongly fascist so he put in on-line for anyone to copy.

You can order a bound edition of it as well.

It goes into detail on just how mentally maladjusted Authoritarians are.

Just so you know, right wingers are Authoritarians. So are religious fundamentalists, most of whom are also in the far right.

It also goes into how they are more hostile, tend to be more violent, be more delusional, how they react with anger when their actions are questions, how they tend to demonize others... and much more.

They also tend to slavishly follow leaders, be they a church or a political party. They tend to have rather strong amoral tendencies, and need strong rules to keep them in line. They tend to be more fearful, and be more willing to act violently towards others.

They do not understand nuance. (Look up how most right wingers can't tell Colbert is using satire.)

Basically, they are mentally disturbed. Often dangerously so.

Look up the study and download it. It doesn't cost anything. Or just order a bound copy (which you will have to pay for).

It will answer a LOT of questions about Authoritarians.

Then you will see one of the reasons why were are having so many right wingers shooting people, rallying at white supremacist groups, talking about acting violently towards others, and so on.

It's plain as the nose on your face, once you know what signs to look for.

Thanks for a great post! Wikipedia has a very good article on "Right-Wing Authoritarianism" and links to an RWA scale and Altemeyer's free book at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Wing_Autho...

These terrorists are drawn to right wing talkers because they're typically weak-willed, incompetent crybabies who can't stand the fact that they are miserable, pathetic failures at the very "free market" the fetishize.

Their combination of impotence and stupidity makes them perfect targets for the kind of simpleminded scapegoating these blowhard hacks traffic in.

So they drive around all day in the dilapidated cars with boxes of Amway products in the trunk, burning gas, making no sales and listening ever more intently to the voice on the radio telling them that it's not their FAULT that their miserable little lives are so screwed up. It's the fault of 'libruls,' brown people and other hard working real Americans who actually work for a living.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

Outstanding!

On point #9. add another groupp of people who are against the war: ~50% of active duty and reserves, and a probablly higher perecentage of veterans, especially Vietnam vets. I'd like to hear the rightwingnuttian sentiments that turn us into terrorists.

I think the main reason we see such panic on the right about 'being oppressed' (and the repeated confusion of being criticized-- an example of the use of free speech by others-- with being oppressed-- which would actually require that somehow their right to free expression has somehow been denied) is projection: they assume that, because at best they can barely restrain their own impulse to oppress, imprison and cut off the rights of others to speak (witness Bill O'Reilly's repeated cutting off of guests he's invited to discuss an issue, not to mention Ann Coulter's eliminationist talk), their opponents (evil people that we are) must be secretly plotting to take their rights away. It fits in pefectly with the right-wing fear of Obama's (non-existent, sad to say) gun-control agenda. In general, since their opponents are clearly bad, immoral people and they themselves can barely suppress their authoritarian impulses, their opponents must be plotting to build concentration camps, shut down free speech and oppress the hell out of everyone who isn't onside...The fact that there's no evidence for any of this is impotent in the face of their paranoid ideation.

You're absolutely correct. Right wingers are projecting their evil acts upon others. They think everyone is like them. Equally hateful and fearful.

It's also something that's covered in Bob Altemeyer's Authoritarians.

I recommend you read it. Their projection of hatred upon others is only the tip of the iceberg.

I still think these guys need a taste of what they dish out. A nice outspoken petitions outside the offices, calling them on the lies with embellishments like they are doing to Letterman, can go a long way.

I'm much less worried about anthrax and Al-Queda as I am the GOP for the latter has done more damage to America than the former 2 combined.

"9/11 truthers would like to destroy this country" <----- WTF??

The claim that people who want to investigate what happened on 911 are dangerous is very strange.

Most conspiracy theories don't have much to support them. That's not the case with 911. There's a lot to support the idea that the united state government may have allowed, or possibly even encouraged the world trade center bombing. It's past the point of conspiracy. It's right out in the open.

The GOP had too much to gain from that downing of the world trade center, and when you think about it, why is the Trade Center site still a hole in the ground after 10 years?

That's 10 years on one of the busiest, most valuable pieces of real estate on the planet?

Something stinks, big time.

I can tell you this much from first hand experience, when the first attempted bombing occurred at the world trade center, the 'heightened security' at the building was all fake.

I asked the guards themselves. They told me that they were mostly part time workers without any security experience, and that it was all show for the cameras.

To say the least, I was shocked.

Too many things went wrong on the second day of the bombing. What's more, the GOP had too much to gain from the deaths of those people. We've already seen that they don't care about human life. It's all about greed. To the GOP, human beings are expendable.

I saw you posted a comment there, but did you listen to the whole interview? He addressed the issue at about the 31:30 mark.

Berlet points out the similarities between the right-wing extremists and truthers: the dualistic worldviews, the magical thinking that if proved correct, all of the other problems we face will just disappear.

and that if proven correct, our problems have just gotten a lot larger, because our government, and possible some of those of our allies, are criminal organizations. Wouldn't it be nice if they were just idiots?

Sara's piece was cross-posted from Orcinus, so I'm going to cross-post the comment I made there:

I have to object to one point because I am tired of the left sucking up and regurgitating the right-wing talking points on this: Your link in #7 is to an article in which Sen. Stabenow raises the possibility of bringing back something like the Fairness Doctrine.

You then say progressives should "resist" and "denounce" this "shameless grandstanding" because the proposal would "compromise" the First Amendment.

That is utter crap.

Why? Since the point seems so unclear to so many, I'll spell it out:

There is no First Amendment right to have a radio talk show!

What's more:

There is no First Amendment right to own a radio or TV station!

Is that clear enough?

Once it is, then is also becomes clear that some sort of regulation of broadcast media - specifically, the Fairness Doctrine - was not and would not be a violation of the First Amendment. Period.

The Fairness Doctrine as we are familiar with it was in force from 1949 to 1987 - a period of time during which it would be hard to argue that there was a "chilling effect" on political debate in broadcast media - but versions of it existed as far back as 1927.

It required only two things: One, that licensed broadcasters cover issues "of public interest," including some controversial ones. Two, that overall, the station's coverage of those issues be reasonably "fair" with various sides having a "reasonable" opportunity to be heard.

It did not require some precise balance, it did not require "equal time" (that was a separate rule relating to endorsements of political candidates and ballot questions), and it did not require that every individual show be "balanced" or even fair.

To see people on the left (and this is hardly the only example) embracing the winger nonsense that the Fairness Doctrine undermined free speech is just - well, it's incredibly frustrating.

still formulating my thoughts on this issue. you make some strong points re fairness. additionally, i wonder

in the mythbusting post, the assertion is that advertisers, fully cognizant of the persuasive power of broadcasts to change behavior, will allow public opinion to prevail on content if we consumer-citizens assert disapproval through active feedback/non-purchase of product.
--does this presume that the programmed content is not an extension of the corporate advertisement?
--that the broadcaster is not engaged in corporate symbiotic behavior with its programming content?
----and the fact that the viewer/listener/reader feedback is always after the fact, with no givens in terms of fair play seems a bit out of kilter. (ie, the damage is already done, a few crumbs and on to the next atrocity.)

and

this is not an argument for prior restraint. just looking for true freedom "from" the press. this is not a free press when multinational corporations control the medium and the message

Beck-you are the stupidest, most irritating shithead ever.

...isn't stirring the pot, he's turning up all burners to high.

And, yeah, I'm going to look to this CLOWN for guidance.

)O(

What's he doing?

Describing the size of the Clenis again?

Remember that church shooting terrorist in Kentuky that wrote that manifesto saying how he wanted to kill all the conservatives in America..... oh wait.... never mind.

Extremism runs in both major political parties. There are numerous radical environmental/animal rights organizations out there that value trees and/or animals moreso than humans.....and these sure arent group that favor republicans. Most people understand that there is a fine line from believing in ideology (liberalism, conservatism, etc. etc.) towards taking the ideology.....twisting it....and then causing chaos or killing someone in the name of it. Emphasis needs to be placed on "twisting it."

Has anything came out about what this holocaust shooter guy was all about (outside of the hatred towards blacks and jews)? I see right wing talk radio trying to make it look like they are being targeted by the government for their beliefs......and I see liberals coming out blaming right wing talk radio and right wing pundits for pushing people like this over the edge. I would suspect, like all things with politics, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I always thought a neat experiment would be to have the American populace ask questions to all members of congress but have the members of congress tucked away in a booth so that the people cant see them.....and then have their voices disguised so that the people cant recognize them. Once all instant political bias and stigma is out of the question, I wonder which people of the American populace would really end up supporting who?

Wait a second. Umberto Eco is one of my favorite authors. He's a fascist? Anything you can point to on this?

Thanks,

...

He's named here as a "postwar academic scholar of fascism", not a fascist.

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