Is Oakland somewhere near Missouri? Watching Glenn Beck, it's hard to tell
By David Neiwert Tuesday Mar 24, 2009 5:45am
Glenn Beck spent a little while on his Fox News show yesterday explaining to his audience that law enforcement in Missouri shouldn't be concerned about right-wing extremists because the real problem is cop-killing parolees on the loose in Oakland, California.
Or something like that. It was hard to piece the argument together, but the nub of it seemed along those lines. First he went on at length about how the weekend's horrible shootout in Oakland, which left four police officers dead alongside the shooter/parolee, was another sign of things going to hell in California. OK, whatever. But then he makes the big leap:
Beck: Next, look at the government's priorities. This is an actual cop killer, who clearly wasn't rehabilitated. But the Missouri State Troopers now -- and wait until you hear the rest of the story, the update on this one coming up in a few minutes -- they're worried about militias.
Beck then goes on to mostly regurgitate last week's rant about a Missouri State Patrol intelligence report discussing the recent resurgence of militia activity in their neck of the woods specifically and in the country generally.
But as we reported then, the report (you can read it for yourself here) is in fact entirely factual, and simply a normative report giving an accurate profile of right-wing extremists' behavioral tendencies.
Beck added some new charges to his already dubious case:
Beck: Let's put this into perspective here: Our researchers couldn't find a single report of a single death specifically linked to a militia group, or an individual member of a militia, in over a decade. Yet an average of more than 150 officers die every year nationwide. Have you counted the number of dead police officers in Philadelphia? And militia numbers are reportedly down after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 -- seems it gave them a bad name. So why are militias getting so much attention from Missouri?
Well, it might just have something to do with the fact that, per square mile, the Ozarks have as rich a history of right-wing extremism as any section of the nation. And while they haven't been making news in recent years, the very report that Beck dismisses in fact details not just the decline of the militias after 1995, but also their current ongoing revival, particularly in the wake of Barack Obama's presidential victory.
Included in the report are such incidents as the Montana Project 7 gang, which was plotting to kill local police officers; a plot by Idaho militiamen to murder a federal judge; and the Alabama militiamen who were plotting to murder as many Hispanics as they could get away with in a shooting spree.
What all of these cases have in common, of course, is that in fact they were all potentially deadly situations all nipped in the bud. And how did that happen? Through effective local law-enforcement work that relied on intelligence-gathering like this.
Beck wants to fob this kind of activity off as disenfranchisement, but when it comes to these folks -- especially in places like rural Missouri -- it's something much deeper and much uglier. (Just read the above link to the piece about Ozark extremism to see what I mean.) So while he's busy showing off pictures of black cop killers from Oakland by way of attacking a police intelligence report in Missouri, I'd like to introduce to him to someone from Missouri.
Glenn Beck, please meet Timothy Thomas Coombs:
Here's what Coombs did back in 1994:
In 1994 authorities in McDonald County raided the Sacerdotal Order of the David Company and were stunned at what they found.
Stockpiled inside the compound were weapons, ammunition and dynamite. The group's leader, Pastor Robert Joos, claimed the weapons were meant for trading.
Unfortunately for Joos, authorities didn't see it his way. Police say the religious leader forged an illegal court document and served it to a Missouri State Trooper.
When authorities went to his compound to arrest Joos, cops say he put up a fight and had to be maced. Joos was released from jail in April of 1997, but one member of his militant group vowed revenge---that man was Timothy Coombs.
Investigators say that on the evening of September 16, 1994, Timothy Coombs went to the home of the man who busted his friend and religious leader.....Missouri State Highway Patrol Trooper Bobby Harper.
Harper, who was recovering from liver transplant surgery, was making a bowl of ice cream when he was shot sniper-style through the kitchen window of his McDonald County home. The bullet ripped through his stomach and newly transplanted liver.
The Trooper's 12-year old daughter, who was standing near him when he was shot, wasn't hurt in the attack.
Yes, you say. This was back in 1994. But Coombs is in fact still at large.
Indeed, right-wing extremists -- not just militiamen, but their more virulent cousins, the white supremacists -- are still a potent presence in Missouri. See, for instance, the ADL's reported activity in Missouri just in 2009:
In recent years, there have in fact been killings in Missouri (not to mention elsewhere) associated with the extremist right: A white supremacist who stomped to death a man he thought was Jewish. A white supremacist who stabbed his African-American co-worker to death. Five men charged in a brutal, racially motivated assault. You get the idea.
And it's particularly a challenge for law enforcement, who face special risks from right-wing extremists that we know about:
Law enforcement officers have many safety concerns, ranging from domestic disputes to belligerent drunk drivers, and they will likely face those situations far more often than situations involving extremists, who by their nature are a minority of the population.
Nevertheless, officers need to be alert to possible encounters with extremists and the safety issues involved. Even if members of hate groups are less common than spouse abusers, officers will eventually encounter them. Generally speaking, extremist criminals pose all the same risks to officer safety as other criminals. However, because of their beliefs, extremist criminals also pose additional risks and concerns.
Three particular factors underscore the importance of officer safety when dealing with extremists.
* First, law enforcement officers are often the people most likely to confront extremists who have committed criminal acts.
* Second, criminals motivated by extremism very often act in distinctly different ways than criminals motivated by traditional motives such as greed or anger.
* Third, for a variety of reasons, extremist criminals may often specifically target law enforcement officers.
It's true that in the past eight years, while going mostly into hibernation, the violent side of right-wing extremists has been largely dormant. But it's worth remembering what occurred in the 1990s, when they were very active:
* June 1994: White supremacist Robert Joos is charged with resisting arrest and carrying a concealed weapon following a traffic stop confrontation with Missouri State Highway Patrol officers.
* July 1994: Steven Garrett Colbern is pulled over in a traffic stop in Upland, California, but resists arrest and has to be subdued by five officers. His car is found to contain an assault rifle, a silencer, and a part necessary to convert the rifle to full automatic file (he is later briefly thought to be the John Doe #2 sought after in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation).
* October 1994: A routine traffic stop of three Michigan militia activists near Fowlerville, Michigan, uncovers loaded three semi-automatic rifles, four other guns, armor-piercing ammunition, and night vision goggles. The militiamen are arrested but never show up in court for their trial (later, one of the fugitives allegedly murders another one).
* Early 1995: Tim Hampton is charged with assaulting a police officer near Dallas, Texas, over an incident that occurred at a traffic stop.
* May 1995: James Boran is pulled over because of outstanding traffic warrants in Massachusetts. Boran refuses to exit his van and instead drives away. After his path is blocked, he continues his escape on foot, barricading himself in his apartment. After he finally surrenders, police find bombmaking materials and militia manuals.
* June 1995: Michael Hill, a militia and common law court activist in Ohio, is shot and killed by a Frazeysburg, OH, police officer after pulling a gun on the officer during a traffic stop.
* October 1995: Donald Lee Smith, of Cherokee County, Georgia, is pulled over for a traffic stop, resists arrest and is found to be in possession of a concealed assault weapon.
* November 1995: "Sovereign citizen" Reinaldo A. DeJesus of White Creek, New York, is arrested for numerous traffic and vehicle charges, and two charges of resisting arrest, following a traffic stop for a burned-out headlight.
* January 1996: Larry Martz, a militia and common law court activist in Ohio, attacks a Highway Patrol trooper during a traffic stop near Cambridge, OH. Martz had 23 weapons in his truck.
* February, 1996: Washington militia leader Bruce Alden Banister is pulled over for expired license tabs. The confrontation which follows ends with him eventually convicted of third-degree assault of a police officer and resisting arrest.
* August 1996: Kim Lee Bonsteel of Franklin, North Carolina, is convicted on 18 charges stemming from a 1994 incident in which he led law enforcement officers on a chase through three counties after he refused to produce his driver’s license or get out of his truck at a traffic stop. The chase destroyed several patrol cars, injured three officers, and caused a sheriff’s deputy to die of a heart attack.
* January 1997: A routine traffic stop involving skinhead and militia leader Johnny Bangerter of Utah turns into a chase and brief standoff at a trailer park.
* February 1997: Cheyne and Chevie Kehoe engage Ohio law enforcement officers in two well-publicized gun battles following a traffic stop in Wilmington, Ohio.
* March 1997: Aryan Nations member Morris Gulett rams a police cruiser during a chase following an attempt to pull him over for going the wrong way down a one-way street. Gulett claimed he drover away because he did not have a drivers’ license and he "was just in one of those moods." One week earlier, another Ohio Aryan Nations member was arrested following a traffic stop during which police found that he had a loaded handgun stuffed in a beer carton.
* August 1997: In New Hampshire, Carl Drega is stopped near a supermarket in Colebrook, New Hampshire, because of the rust holes in his pickup. Drega opens fire on the state trooper, killing him, then kills his partner as well. Drega then drives into town and kills two more people before fleeing into Vermont, where he has a final gun battle with police there. He dies, but not before injuring three more officers.
* September 1997: Craig and Doug Brodrick, two brothers who had recently moved to Boise, are stopped for failing to signal. They begin a gun battle which results in their own deaths as well as the death of a Boise police officer and the wounding of another.
If they become active again, these kinds of incidents will return. Glenn Beck may weep for Ron Paul bumper-sticker owners. The rest of us will weep for the widows of the police officers killed by the violent nutcases Beck wants you to forget about. When he's not busy promoting them and their conspiracy theories, that is.








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Excellent report. Thanks, David Neiwert.
It's time to make use of Bush's Patriot Act and arrest these Terrorists before Americans have another Oklahoma City bombing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bo...
This is exactly how we counter lies, with truth, and evidence thereof. Excellent job!
Hell, yes - arrest the terrorists.
Right-wingnut religious Rep. Michelle Bachmann wants her supporters "armed and dangerous". She is fomenting violence - arrest her skanky ass.
Right-wingnut talking head Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail. When Bush was president, anyone holding that view was considered treasonous. Arrest his skanky ass.
Right-wingnut talking head Bill O'Reilly wants Al Qaeda to blow up the Coit Tower in San Francisco - arrest his skanky ass.
Ann Coulter suggested that Rep. John Murtha should be murdered ("fragged") - arrest her skanky ass.
What -- ? they're Republicans? oh, then never mind -
IOKIYAR.
Yesterday afternoon when Beck began his show, he decided to introduce himself and tell the viewers his history. I could only hear bits and pieces of what he was saying, but at one point I thought I heard him say that while he was in school, he had to ride the "short bus". If that was indeed what he said, well, that's telling.
If Beck rode the 'Short Bus' I would imagine it was voluntary so he could rape the boys and rob the vegetable females of their lunch money.
Hmmmm...."Short Bus" is an "adult" film directed by John Cameron Mitchell ("Hedwig and the Angry Inch") which showed in a number of art houses a few years ago. I can't imagine Beck performing some of those sex acts in that movie! Ugggggggggh!!! Beck sucks.
Then it sounds like you can imagine it.
Timothy McVeigh, the worst home-grown terrorist in American history, flirted with the militia movement.
"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
for a White Supremacist...Joos, lol
Wasn't there a woman killed at a KKK initiation around KY, Al last year?
I think Beck's point is that Missouri should invade California.
That would be something to behold.
Good God.
Only two brains cells still living, and one's lonely.
You had me until you got to the Brodrick brothers. At the time of their incident the police in Boise where in the midst of having the highest rate nation wide of shooting civilians. The Brodrick's were pulled over using felony stop tactics because they held concealed weapons permits. They did not appear to have any militia connection that came out following this incident. They just weren't servile enough for the Boise police.
I don't think their incident belongs with your other examples or that it backs up your point. We are going to have to deal with a resurgence of this crap from the nuts but let's not paint with too wide a brush.
Beck's channeling of anger @ the Dem govt (I do NOT buy his supposed new-found non-partisan libertarianism) through armed rebellion is dangerous and going completely unchecked at FNC all for the sake of ratings, advertising $$ and shoring-up the lunatic fringe GOP base.
should invade Glenn Becks brain. The sewage would then be free to flow around all the other nutjubs that are on Faux.
Pretty extensively researched.
I'm left wondering why Beck is leaving his bare ass hanging out on this one for all of us to see concerning his now clear support for militias. He is up in arms at their poor miscategorization and unfair treatment.
Doesn't that make him a target for a police search?
It's pretty clear he is drawing a line in the sand for the militia crowd.
Great comments.
Also to Davud Neiwert; Great post as always. I find that your subjects are well covered.
Thanks, CJH
For eight long years, our homegrown nuts were ignored by just about every Federal agency we have. Instead of the continued focus of man power on keeping tabs of these terrorist cells, our FBI decided to focus on the adult entertainment industry.
Now we are seeing these slumbering groups coming back to life and it will be very ugly.
While I share your feelings re: FBI, you must understand that they are ordered to do this shit. Bushco sent them on a scavanger hunt for black opps.
Sounds like it's bloody dangerous to go for a drive when you're a crazy militia man.
Did anyone see the special this weekend on, I think it might have been CNN head line or maybe it was msnbc, about the families who teach their children, as young as six, to shoot all sorts of guns. They go to gun shooting places and the kids can shoot machine guns and every gun bigger and smaller. I am not suggesting these people are militia like, but damn it was strange. One guy and his little six year old boy flew over a thousand miles to so the kid could shoot a machine gun. Another guy built a small gun of some sort so his little girl could fire it without it knocking her little ass over backward.
Creepy to say the least.
I didn't see the very beginning of it, but from what I gathered it was made by an English film company. I think the point was all about how many guns we have in the US and how crazy some people are who own them. They said there are more guns in the US than there are people UK. That's sobering, isn't it?
It struck me as odd because lately with all the talk of guns and militias; I was wondering why in the hell are they showing this on TV unless to instigite, if you know what I mean.
The fact that there are more guns in the US than there are people in the UK is sobering to say the least. I'll bet you it's something like triple that or worse.
It's mad.
Just a few months ago in the southwest, a kid was killed at a gun show. He was firing an automatic rifle, the recoil knocked him over and another bullet went thru his head.
I think it was near Reno.
In this special they talked about one kid being shot and killed at a firing range just for kids, set up by the sheriff of the town. The sheriff resigned after the child was killed. After seeing how these things are set up, it's amazing more children aren't killed. There seemed a lot was missing in the safety department.
I wish I knew what channel that program was on so I can look it up.
Googling.
MSNBC
.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29778...
It's pretty sick.
Just yesterday a poor kid was tazed to death in, I believe it was, Bay City, MI.
Just one more tazer death amongst hundreds. Move along folks. Nothing to see here...
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 07:24 — Mr. Green Jeans
Just a few months ago in the southwest, a kid was killed at a gun show. He was firing an automatic rifle, the recoil knocked him over and another bullet went thru his head.
I think it was near Reno.
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Janet?
I did not see that one coming. :)
Beck is a very dangerous man. How many times, now, has he defended militias and in fact seems to encourage them? His idiotic 912 project web site seems to be full of gun nuts.
I remember when I was a kid, we were out at the Lake of the Ozarks. One morning, we took a small boat ride to go fishing. We wound up in some cove. Soon, some hillbilly came up in his own boat, brandishing a gun. He accused us of stealing stuff from his houseboat.
We hadn't been anywhere near his houseboat, and he eventually just told us to get out of there....but he scared the hell out of us with that rifle he had.
Yep, they love their guns out there in the Ozarks, and that damned Beck is encouraging such people to use them.
The real dangermen are the Rupert Murdochs and Roger Aileses who give these guys a platform to fuel hate.
California included.
Leave the cities in California and it rapidly becomes as right-wing crazy as any part of the Ozarks or Alabama or really name any state/region.
I am sure that San Diego, Santa Barbara, or Orange county would love to have a goose stepping parade if they could get away with it...
I'm about 30 mins. outside of San Francisco. Vallejo is a former Navy town, so there's a fair amount of conservative households here; we had our share of Prop 8 and Geezer/Dingbat signs last November.
Go a little further north, say, Vacaville ... and you can feel it in the air. It's like something out of the Twilight Zone.
... I never understood, with such a large and beautiful state like California.... why some people decided to settle in some of the worst parts of it.
Those same settlements seem to be populated by crazy ultra christian lunatics. I assume they need Jesus to keep them going in such environments. Either that, or we're witnessing natural selection... with the people who were not smart enough to move a few more miles westward :-) to a better place.
I have tons of acquittances who grew up in those parts of California. All bright people. And all consider they "escaped" their upbringings. None of them in any hurry to return.
Cheap land. (and not enough brains to figure out WHY it's cheap)
I think it's good to read that list of arrests in the OP. Shows that we can't just pretend that it's "Jesusland" or whatever where the problems lie. New York, California, Massachusettes all have far-right nuttery and it's not only North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky who do.
has apparently been a loony bin all along.
This predates your timeline, but note also Gordon Kahl and family/cronies, Posse Comitatus militia types who killed two cops at Medina, North Dakota in 1983. Gordon Kahl was later killed in Arkansas Ozarks.
These guys are out there, they always have been, they are well armed thanks to Wayne LaPierre's fearmongering, no state is immune, and their anger and hate is being fed by everyone from Beck to Limbaugh to Michelle Bachmann.
Friday evening at the pub, and someone was watching Beck...I politely asked the server to change it, and the guy watching beck started to make a fuss. Then I simply stated, "I can't watch this propaganda bullshit!" And the guy left and the server changed it to Sci-Fi.
It was a small, but sweet victory.
Now, back to the topic at hand...
If these so called militia's weren't chock-full of crazy nazis, I'd not have a problem with them. But it appears that the two have become inseparable...
as television now controls the revolutionaries.
when it's time for Nascar or SNL?
So planned.
Personally, I don't much watch the idiot box. It tends to make me feel whoozy, like walking on the deck of a ship in a storm. My intelligence level seems to plunge and I never feel quite right after all those damn pharmaceutical commercials, one after another, mixed in with how cool I would be if I only drove a bleep vehicle with slick music playing in the background while breakdancing sipping redbull. Then the botox, you're fat, commercials come on and then back to regularly scheduled programing.
I like netflix.
I always feel so gross after watching anything but PBS.
of it...but when I do, I just mute the commercials...
without the sound..they're nowhere near as annoying, and really just look pretty damn stupid.
Plain and simple
enough to buy the product in the commercial.
about what I watch...and I very rarely am influenced to buy anything that's advertised on teh teevee...I know what I need, and rarely buy anything I don't need for myself. Except beer...but that doesn't count. ;)
We haven't had regular television access going back about four years. We watch DVDs/movies that we rent or buy and get our news on the internet.
My son mentioned this to one of his teachers the other day and she said we were weird, my sense wasn't that it was bad, but that we had deviated from the norm, hah.
I sincerely believe that we can lay the blame of how truly fucked up many people are here in the US at the feet of television and advertising on television. Life doesn't happen to a fucking soundtrack and things don't always resolve in 26 minutes.
boocilla69, you totally summed up the crux of the problem (and the solution). I live in Mexico, and we haven't had TV for years, by choice. We also rent or buy DVDs and get news via the internet. It's a huge contributor to maintaining my sanity.
... television per se, it's when we subordinate our critical thinking to the magical box. (Or, I might add, wackaloons like Armaglennon, here.)
And that also means the internet. Remember, some of the 'news' you see online is sourced from the same newspapers and wire services as broadcast journalism. In some cases, it's in the same newsroom and answerable to the same management.
With the internet, there's none of the constant audiovisual assault.
It is a bit sad watching someone in such dire need of psychiatric attention being used for financial gain.
Beck said yesterday that he was like Howard Beale. Then he showed some of the more well known parts of the film.
I find the guy funny but it scares me to death to know there are people who think the guy is their leader. Yesterday he reminded me of a tv minister without as much talk of the bible and god as a minister might use. Brainwashing came to mind.
Network, while perhaps prescient in some ways, was nonetheless a parody.
The character of Howard Beale is a tragic figure. A disgraced newsman who becomes a 'street prophet,' and his rants and divine fits are simply a ratings gimmick for the corporate suits.
Beck is neither a former newsman, nor touched with a prophetic gift.
He's just a ratings gimmick and a racist assclown.
Funny thing about his ratings is that it's high because of all the people who tune in for the laugh. It's not often that people get to see someone that completely mentally deranged having their own show. Yeah I know there's Bill-O but even he isn't quite that far out of it.
He states he feels like a televangelist, then goes on to crying on cue
what happened to Howard Beale.
"Don't pay any attention to the wackaloons who are busy arming up for the sequel to Red Dawn on the sage advice of myself and Chuckles the Ninja. We're not the problem.
"It's the black folks in Oakland."
I watched Al Gore's channel...and they had a story about a huge gathering in Kentucky, where 1000's of people (all white folks not surprisingly) got together, that were there to shoot all manner of automatic weaponry...they had everything...
Wait..I googled it...here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31vm3-BQRJU
The segment I saw, interviewed alot of the people...and to be totally honest here...some were nuts, but most just seemed like decent folks who like to shoot guns...which I have to admit, can be alot of fun in the proper, safe environment. I kinda wish I could shoot some of those guns myself...
Evidently the footage is originally from NBC...but Columbine happened before it aired, and the story was pulled.
http://current.com/items/89716716/fully_autom...
But...but...but! The right wing has been campaigning to put fascism and Nazism on the left end of the spectrum with communism. Witness not-so-veiled comparisons of Obama to Hitler and the phrase "liberal fascism." I had a right-wing acquaintance insist that Hitler was really left wing.
So what are they trying to say? Simple--there are no extremes on the right, just on the left. These militias must be figments of someone's imagination. And pigs fly.
Funny how if there was a "Marxist" militia in the US of A, you would see the likes of Beck et al blow a fuse and request the government squash such a terrorist group.
You get a group of right wing lunatics.... and you have Beck fawning all over their "patriotism"
Also, it is quite enlightening to observe how many liberals/moderates have died at the hands of right wing extremists in the past 5 decades... and it is quite enraging to observe how the right has tried to pin the violent tag on the liberals.
...between Beck & Beale is I pretty much agreed with Beale's rants.
and had a crazy dream that Glenn Beck actually defended white supremacists while attacking urban African-Americans as menaces to society. To actually think in the 2009 someone on the MSM would actually do that. I mean I know Crazy Eyes Beck is a right wing loon, but my imagination has really gone wild.
GLENN BECK JUST DEFENDED WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHILST RACIALLY PROFILING "URBAN" CALIFORNIA'S.
Let's put that in perspective Mr. Beck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGp5shqLZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZONxihMdg
From what I have read, it seems to me the police in Oakland CA are the right wing extremists, they have been abusing their power for years. Things like this are bound to happen. I always thought the cops were typically right wing nutcases in most areas. This is quite a pickle we are in, whose the enemy again? I believe the cops need to take a look at them selves, remove the internal corruption and racism from within their ranks, then start on the government agency's, removing all forms of corruption. Just policing the people isn't working anymore, they need to clean themselves up too, and now. Protect and serve, they serve us, not us them.
We have soooooo many problems in this country, Glenn Beck is not helping the situation one bit at all. Booooshed, republican right wing destruction for decades beginning to blow up in their faces. Bunch of dumb asses.
of course he's not going to look into the problem of police abuse and profiling in inner cities, that would actually mean he'd have to address racism...., something which doesn't factor into his his market theories and which doesn't gain him popularity among the American Nazi Party. Glenn Beck is Lou Dobbs on crack. Context is a luxury only afforded to problems associated with fitting into his narrow-minded xenophobic white-pride libertarian movement. It'll be interesting to see how long his charade can last, even on Fox. If anyone needs an argument proving racism still exists on the MSM, here ya go. Howie Kurtz, do you freaking job for once!!!!!!!
... questions about the conduct of the Oakland Police Department, the case Beck cited was not one of them. The suspect was pulled over for a routine traffic stop while driving a car that he'd only purchased the week before, so his name probably wasn't even on the registration.
Yea doesn't that suck, the guy might have been sick of being frisked punched in the face and tazerd , on them routine traffic stops. No one will ever know, we might get the answers after we pass. Another unanswered question is what the black kid said to the officer that shot him in the back in the subway about a month ago, in Oakland. Was that Arab student that was studying without his ID from Oakland too? You know the one that was tazzered over 7 times after being handcuffed. I would hate to live around that, they tie your arms behind you back, continue to beat on you, and electrocute you. Just imagine what that guy was thinking, how scared he must have been.
Yesterday beck had a jenga puzzle set up and this was supposed to represent the economy. He and some guy spent most of the show taking pieces out of the puzzle to try to show that if we just keep spending money the economy will eventually collapse like the puzzle would eventually fall if you kept taking pieces out of it. He seems to have a childish approach to most everything, yet he speaks like, I don't know what.
He comes off as a simpleton while spouting dangerous thoughts.
Pound for pound, Beck is the intellectual equivalent of a 98lb. weakling. But he knows where those buttons are in his audiences' brains, and he pushes those like a baby on a toy phone. I feel like we're going to be witnessing a situation in the future where a mass murderer points to Beck as his or her inspiration. And then he'll stay on air to inspire some more.
Man, our media is bass-ackwards.
you can say "ass" in here.
But isn't "bass-ackwards" a bit funnier? I suppose my sense of humor is more goofy than most. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTVXfCbos-o
Sometimes I am ashamed at myself for some of the shit I can't help but giggle at...
When Glen Beck speaks...brain cells die.
so I stopped clicking Beck related videos. I was scared shitless feeling some of my neurons literally committing harakiri when watching these idiots...
http://www.oaklandmo.org/default.asp?javascri...
That is smaller area-wise than most modern shopping malls. My piano teacher lived there when I was in the 4th grade and riding my bike through that area scared the shit out of me, with all the nuclear families tending their yards and moms with strollers all over the place. My private girls high school there was crazy with girls going across the street to smoke cigarettes too so that the nuns wouldn't find us. It was a crazy, dangerous, military zone. (/snark)
Sorry, don't mean to be facetious. It just struck me as funny to be worried about guns in one of the closest things to Mayberry this country still has. Thanks for the inside joke.
Don't worry. A lot of white people have been moving out to St. Charles/St. Peters so places lke Oakland are improving ;)
from tiny Oakland, located between Webster Groves and Kirkwood Mo would ever move to St.Charles/St. Peters. Sunset Hills, maybe...but never St. Charles.
I am SO GLAD that the MO State Patrol is on these guys. I often bounce back and forth from Kansas City and St. Louis for family, work, and school, and the middle of Missouri is scary for even a liberal white girl like me.
I've come across my fair share of undereducated white militia men in my state, and they combine two things that separately would be ok but together are dangerous: guns and a sense of victimhood. This new black president means that the rednecks of the country are pissing scared as the rest of us evolve around them, but they still have guns.
Glenn Beck is the king of tooldom for suggesting there's nothing to see here. I've seen these guys and unfortunately know some, and I tell you, THERE'S SOMETHING TO SEE HERE. Thank Jeebus that the authorities are on top of it.
I've always wanted to live close to San Francisco, but have been intimidated by the substantial increase in COL. But now, I can simply accept Beck's reality, and my dream comes true!!! Anyone know where to catch the BART in the Ozarks???
I've always wanted to live close to San Francisco, but have been intimidated by the substantial increase in COL. But now, I can simply accept Beck's reality, and my dream comes true!!! Anyone know where to catch the BART in the Ozarks???
California passed a law stripping the word "rehabilitation" from the dictionary and writing in "vindictive punishment" in its place--partly defined as cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Theresa of Avila couldn't get paroled in the state--oh, did I mention that much of the prison business is privatized now? (think laundry, food, construction of the prisons--you name it.
Glenn Beck said something that was *gasp* misleading and unhinged!
with, and yeah, he's from Missouri!
Going to be Hannitys new sidekick I wonder?
Coombs looks like he'd fight back.
Being from Missouri, I am knowledgeable enough to know that Missouri's Highway Patrol must REALLY be worried if they have expressed alarm about militias. Our HP is so undermanned and underfunded, so overworked that they have trouble recruiting good people or retaining them. They are definitely not looking for more work for the Patrol, nor are they looking to alarm people. Missouri is one of the country's top meth-producers, is a crossroads for trucks travelling everywhere in the country and has a lot of farm country that only the Patrol covers. So, I trust them when they say that there should be a new concern about militias.
I love having this former drug addict, alcoholic, school dropout tell me what's the matter with this country. If I didn't know that he had found the Lord, I'd swear the guy was back on something.
Most people who have "found the Lord" are on something. Your antennae are working just fine.
They do say they're HIGH on the Jebus quite a bit...
Had to get in line to weigh in. I don't know many of you besides me
recognize{I hope}that there was once a Classic, Golden, call it what you will,age/time of television.50's,60's tv we grew up with. ah,yes.
I,too watch very little tv,Keith and Rachael,of course,AandE,selectivly,Animal Planet,NFL Channel,although I have bones to pick with them,and one or 2 others.
Netflix is definetly the bomb,but others are on the web with free download and watch.Classic Tv.Ithink it is Fancast.com,the other one is Hulu.
Hope to hear from some of my buds on thiis,and that everyone is well.
Deb,Vegas
-- at splcenter.org tracks hate groups and their activity.
If someone in california commits a crime, then its really not that big a deal when someone in kansas does it.
if someone in new york rapes and murders a 13 year old girl, then its not nearly as bad if someone rapes and murders, say, a 21 year old girl in montana....
see...its okay if midwesterners...you know...REAL americans do awful things to each other because they do awful things to each other on the coasts...
so all you wyoming cops out there remember...when youre taking a bullet from a crazed sniper who's screaming about liberals taking his grenade launchers away...rememeber...youre taking a bullet for america
they think of militia types. From 1998: Link
Questions.
1. Why was the place raided?
2. What constitutes a "stockpile"?
3. Are weapons, ammunition, and dynamite illegal now?
is a pretty conservative bunch of law enforcement officers. No bonafide "liberal, anti-gun" types there at all. So if they are telling you that there were weapons "stockpiled" at some sight, then my guess would be that it looked pretty dangerous and there were lots of weapons and dynamite. If some of this type of activity is going on at the farmhouse a quarter of a mile from your home, I'd bet you might not be so inclined to ask so many of your constitutional questions. Whether you are willing to admit it or not there are a lot of crazies with guns living in rural America.
"His mother wears army shoes" way that it will come off. Glenn is getting a little pudgy. Is he trying to catch Rush in the weight department, as well as in ratings? Of does he just have the munchies because he's back doing a little, well you know, illegal substance testing?
is the new darling/golden boy of the right now that he's been planted at Fox Noise where he belonged all along (nice one CNN, great pick on that one)...
They're getting their soundbytes from a guy that believes in magic underwear... and you should remind any right wingnut of that fact whenever this idiot gets brought up or sourced in an 'argument'...
If you want to know the kind of people that follow Beck go to his 912 project website. It appears that some of recent comments have been scrubbed, at least they are no longer where they were. At any rate people were writing about the kinds of weapons they owned, overthrowing the gov't, violence, hanging, etc. One wrote that when he aimed his weapon at something it dies. Don't know the point of that but charming nontheless. The enemy includes the usual; Democrats, liberals, and essentially anyone who disagrees with them.
Some of the more recent comments are rather tame so maybe the memo went out to tone it down.
Quote: "Yet an average of more than 150 officers die every year nationwide"
Does this include natural causes? Because it sounds like bullshit to me.
Has anyone looked into just how Fox records its ratings. I can't believe that this idiot (yes, he is) is getting such great ratings. But I suppose if you trained a camera on a ticking time bomb eventually everyone would tune in at least once in awhile to see it blow.
Your list of incidents is indicative of the mistrust and animosity that right wingers have for law enforcement. I'm sure that many of these people felt they were being harrassed by the police – particularly those who believe they have a constitutional right to their guns. Paranoid people armed to the teeth are a threat to public safety, and unfortunately frequent police misbehavior, sometimes in the form of petty harrassment, sometimes, as in the Weaver or Waco cases, in shocking abuse of power, only exacerbates the problem.
And send a letter straight to Beck and Fox for disseminating this extremely misleading and downright dangerous propaganda.
Has he heard of Oklahoma City?
Does he have any idea that those weapons bought LEGALLY in states with lax gun laws, like AZ and NM end up in California?
Saturday afternoon I drive into Springfield MO to do a Labor District meeting and go through an intersection at Battlefield Shopping Mall where about 20-25 Nazi wanna-bes were waving flags and handing out pamphlets. Some had "White Pride Nationwide" flags, a few had swastika flags. Looked like Saturday night in the Edward Norton movie American Gothic. So, yes, they exist, and yes, they are preaching that good old hate. I hope too many of them weren't rushed in getting to their Klan meeting on time.
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