O'Reilly confronted with the truth: The real hate sites are on the right
By David Neiwert Thursday Oct 30, 2008 11:16am
So Bill O'Reilly is finally confronted with the reality that Daily Kos is nothing like a neo-Nazi hate site.
Give BillO credit: He decided to air a segment on the anti-Obama hate sites that can be found on the Web. He had on Townhall.com's Amanda Carpenter, who reported to O'Reilly that the virulent hatred of Obama found at neo-Nazi and white-supremacist websites was something truly stomach-churning.
At the height of the discussion he asks:
O'Reilly: OK, now, the Kos is a hate site on the left, uh, how would these neo-Nazi things compare to that?
Carpenter: Ah, these are ... it's, it's much worse than Kos.
O'Reilly: Yeah?
Carpenter: Because it's filled with the worst slurs you could think of against a black person. You know, they talk about aborting black children. The degree of casualness to which it's done is most alarming. I mean, I was frightened in there. I mean there's literature, you know, different kinds of bombs --
O'Reilly: Anything else? Sure. I mean, these are people like Tim McVeigh, who blow -- you know, those people --
Carpenter: Right.
Right. Those whose Name Must Not Be Spoken. And so we quickly move on ...
Except that this kind of blows a hole in O'Reilly's horseshit claim that Kos is a "hate site" just like the Nazis. As we noted at the time, there's a wee problem with this thesis: what real Nazi/hate sites are like.
Ah, but instead we quickly move on to even more specious crap ...
O'Reilly: Any other mainstream sites out there, not Nazi stuff, hating Obama?
Carpenter: Oh I don't think any mainstream site would tolerate this kind of hate speech. I mean, you shut that kind of stuff down immediately.
O'Reilly: But in general, any other hate-Obama hate sites that aren't Nazis?
Carpenter: I haven't seen anything to the degree of these neo-Nazi sites. They're certainly on the fringe but nothing compares to them.
O'Reilly: OK.
Yes, including Kos.
But just to be clear: While Carpenter was quite properly appalled at what you could find at neo-Nazi sites (the "popular" site to which she refers, incidentally, is almost certainly Stormfront, which in June was reported to be attracting 40,000 unique visitors per day -- nothing to sniff at, actually), these are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to hate-Obama sites.
There's Floyd Brown's ExposeObama operation.The Freedoms Defense Fund. The Anti-Obama.net. Christ, there's an endless raft of them out there. And that's without even counting the regular wingnutosphere.
And I know this will come as a surprise to O'Reilly (or at least go unmentioned by him), but they all have one thing in common, including the Nazi sites ... they're right-wing sites.
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...the conversation very narrowly focused, dontcha know. No big ideas are permitted in the No Spin Zone.
This is the best comment, whether you like Bill O or not, this statement is true to the core.
"I think hate is hate, no matter where it is." -Bill O'Reilly
Hate is hate, there is no nice hate out there. You cannot compare hate on some sort of scale.
One last thing "it's much worse than Kos." - Amanda Carpenter
She didn't say Kos wasn't a hate site per se, she said these sites were worse. Once again, hate is hate, in any context. The interview was actually a poor one and Bill O should not have done it, because hate is hate, no matter how you slice it and no one should ever promote it. Moderate the user comments at the very least if the hate is coming from the users and not the site itself.as Kos says.
When he realises he is a foremost promoter of hate -- that'll be a red letter day.
"I think hate is hate, no matter where it is" has got to be one of the the stupidest most simplistic dismissals I've ever heard.
You've been hosed by the guy.
Coming from a proven world class hate monger. Yeah John, this sex harrassing cocksucker(and apparently your hero) knows quiet a bit about hate. O'Reilly's success has been built on division, paranoia, rage, various forms of prejudice and hate.
Now O'Reilly would say that is hate speech on the left. Love it.
O'Reilly(and apparently his new friend John)must have no mirrors at home.
Bill O'Reilly bitching about hate mongering is just as bizarre as our mass murderer Pres. Dumbya. { Edited. SiteMonitor}
Hell if O'reilly say a comment that Bush wears a dress he would call that hate speech on the left.
...is his supposed "no spin." He inflates the small or deflates the large in whatever measure he deems necessary to create an appearance of volume equivalency where one doesn't exist.
Bill,
she was on a Neo-Nazi site during that conservsation.
excellent post...
he just lets it spew from his slimy mouth... "the kos is a hate site on the left." What a fucktard BIll$hit O'Really! is!
I have to turn it off because I want to tar and feather him. Nope... I don't want to loofah him; he'd actually like that!
And she agreed with him!!! What a bunch of hoes!!!
I'd never even heard of Dailykos until O'Reilly went and attacked it. Frankly, I don't see what the big fuss is. The Dailykos IS completely partisan, and democrat-worshipping/excusing garbage, but a nazi hate site? Not quite.
And WTF is Fox?
Please don't make assumptions, I don't live in this phoney, left-right bull where if I hate the dailykos, I automatically worship fox news. I despise fox news, I despise the kos. Both have the right to say whatever they want, but neither are credible.
The kos is incredibly hostile and patronizing towards anyone who isn't a liberal. On one hand they bash the democratic party from time to time, giving pelosi and reid a slap on the wrist, then the next minute they're asking you to give all your money to the same party so Obama can get elected (Another do-nothing democrat). Kos may as well rename itself bluestate.com.
Truth. KOS is extremely partisan, as is this site, and DU and FireDogLake (shout out!) and all the other democratic websites.
That is because they are Democratic and Liberal websites. I apologize for all of us for being overbearing and patronizing at times, but it's a learned defense mechanism from 8 years of "if you're not with us you're against us" bullshit.
Edited to add: Note, i said they were Partisan. In the case of this site however that does not mean they are not Factual. I make a habit of frequenting ALL the blogs available on the internet, including the Right wing side. In my experience (and i think just about any other intelligent individual would have the same opinion) I find the information here is infinitely more reliable than that found elsewhere. Reality, as a wise man once said, truly does have a liberal bias (at least in these times).
that pretty much sums them up, that and the cat photos, and the women of a certain age that dominate DKos.
Hillary was 'the one' for quite a while over there, quite a battle of words between them and the other candidate's supporters during the primaries.
DKos if the truth be told, is rather middle class and boring to a degree.
Theres no real hate there of the nasty kind, BillO and Faux are deluded, but we knew this already.
when orally called Kos a hate site:
"Come on Bill. There's nothing on Kos that even remotely resembles the hatred you find on the right-wing blogs. The closest thing you'll find is where they refer to you as an idiot, and even that is debatable because you can't really equate truth with hate speech."
If Bill-O collapsed into his own sphincter, like an imploding dark star, and disappeared forever...would we care? would we notice?
Well, it would be much quieter.
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If it happened at work, would FOX 'News' be sucked into vortex as well?
Taking Hannity, Ingraham (et. al.) with it.
When the FBI uncovers a plot to assassinate McCain by someone who regularly posts on a left-wing site, then there might be a comparison. But since no-one intends to assassinate either McCain or Palin because neither of them are ever going to be preisdent....
lets face it, this is mccain's last crack at the presidency and palin is...well...palin
Nothing would happen to them from any left leaning types.
It would be their own twisted survivalist miltia or fundie xtian types that would attempt something against WcCain or Palin.
WcCain is hatred with a passion by some in the Republican camp.
We on the left take the piss and point out their failings, the reich wingers 'lock n load' and go postal.
I'm sure those sites are out there but I am pretty sure it would scare the hell out of me if I visited one....so I won't.
Bill seems like he is trying his damnest to somehow make a vague connection between Kos and these sites. Maybe he should get his lazy butt on the computer and see for himself what's out there.
with the Nazis and labeling anyone who disagrees with Him, Bill O'FuckingReilly, a Nazi.
If he were this way about 'teh Gay,' we'd be sure he was a closet case. Same applies here. For me anyway. And if I may be so bold as to take a page from Der Geheimnis Führer's Buch und sage: "Mine is the only opinion that matters." (I'm sure Billo is a monoglot. Wouldn't want to confuse him with German, a language that has practically a different word for everything!)
he has to share a building with Hannity (and his friends like Hal Turner)
So no wonder he rants on about hate websites and similar stuff, its misdirected hate towards Hannity, redirected outwards.
mccain's last crack at the presidency and palin is...well...palin
Aren't they both the same?
palin's a crack-whore?
Kato Palin.
There- I've said it.
Can't believe it took me this long...
Give BillO credit: He decided to air a segment on the anti-Obama hate sites that can be found on the Web.
No. No credit from me.
Bill O'Reilly's show serves two purposes. The first, of course, is to aggrandize Bill O'Reilly as the world's leading political intellectual, an unmatched genius who, like the founding fathers, doesn't just talk, but is willing to get out an fight for what he believes. He displays righteous, bellicose anger toward anyone who disagrees with him, and feigns intense objectivity when analyzing daily events. He paints himself as the devoted American traditionalist, one who cuts through any spin with superior wit (all yelling), knowledge (made up) and common sense (of which he has none), and hopes that everyone watching understands just how right he is on everything.
His overblown narcissism is both ridiculous and obvious to anyone not taken in by his second purpose, which is far more insidious: To bombard viewers with an avalanche of propaganda designed to shift the subconsciously understood political spectrum rightward --- the right becomes the center, the far-right becomes the center-right, and anyone slightly on the left becomes an uber-far-left radical to be feared. Unfortunately, he's actually very good at this kind of propaganda, duping some genuine centrists into thinking he's just being fair when he offers purportedly objective analysis of those he calls "secular progressives."
Now consider this segment. It's perfectly in line with his second purpose. He'll say, "Okay, let's be perfectly fair in our analysis of the world. There are hate sites against Barack Obama. Let's acknowledge it. And let's expose it." And he'll bring on someone to discuss Neo-Nazi websites --- complete and utter fringe lunacy on the uber-far-right, but which he has relegated simply to far-right on his new political spectrum. Then he'll casually slip in a reference to The Daily Kos, a progressive, left-to-center-left website, that he has relegated to the far-left in his perverted paradigm. Then, as if he's being purely fair, and approaching everything from dead center, he asks for the comparison.
So, it didn't quite work. It doesn't matter. He does his typical hand-waiving cut-off, and moves on.
Credit? For looking into this? Nonsense. It's all part of his propaganda.
An insightful if not brilliant analysis of the "New Media". Thanks for some serious cognitive fodder.
SPOT ON...
I've always said that these Faux and right wing radio liars are trying their damnedest to make practically moderate centrists appear to be "left wing loons" to try to trick the millions of morons into believing that they are coming at you from the center - when in fact THEY (these right wing lunatics) are coming from you from the FAR right.
Basically they are trying to move the center goal posts so far to the right to try to get people to believe that anyone actually in the center is a "liberal" and that they (the right wing lunatics) are the center.
The DISGUSTING thing is it works on MILLIONS of people with minds of silly putty.
WHY are these people allowed to spew their radical lies on OUR public airwaves?
WHY is the Fairness Doctrine such a radical idea - with evil LIARS like these?
There are CONSEQUENCES to the lies they tell.
HELL, even Alan Colmes, who I respect, claims to not be for the Fairness Doctrine.
OUTRAGEOUS the things that these Limbaugh scum are permitted to get away with.
And they get RICH doing it too.
I really hope there is a special particularly unpleasant place in Hell for these fuckers.
Bill O'Reilly is simply a tool Rupert Murdoch. Bill O'Reilly performs his role at the behest of his handlers (Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch).
Speaking of the Fuheress:
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I've heard O'Reilly and others state that as a rebuttal whenever they were asked about hate on right-wing sites. I used to visit KOS on a daily basis and hell it is even less offensive than Faux-news. Athough I have never visited any actual right-wing sites, the spew I have read on regular sites from these wingers is bad enough. Their venom is too much for me on those sites so I can't image what it would be on sites dedicated the reich-wing. I would have to shower for a week.
I found that clip really frustrating. Amanda seems to have some sort of listening disability.
She could easily have directed Bill to countless Right Wing sites that regularly air Obama hate. RedState and No Quarter come to mind immediately. I think I've been linked to some ugly stuff at Ace of Spades. The list goes on and on.
The neo-Nazi sites are dangerous because some of the people who view those sites might really try to kill someone, but the dissemination of hateful lies and moronic disinformation is done much more effectively by the more mainstream sites. Twenty-three percent of Texans don't think Obama is a Muslim because of a handful of fringe neo-Nazi sites.
Amanda was no help at all.
I have seen some of these NeoNazi, white supremacy websites. Exactly as Carpenter said, it's frightening just having one of websites open on the screen. It really makes you aware of the true evil that exists in the world. Their chat rooms are terrifying. They speak strange codes and constantly refer to some manual as if it were the bible. I recently read an article in my local newspaper that skinhead and NeoNazi activity is on the rise in Germany and it's beginning to worry the government over there. I am a little wary of Obama, but at the same time I fear for his safety. The Secret Service must have their hands full protecting him. The responsibility will be monumental when he is finally in office, yes I believe he will be our next President.
They opened it, now they're trying to clean up the mess. And they're doing a poor job as usual.
she could have mentioned National Review Online, where Lisa Schiffren wrote her deranged conspiracy theory that Obama was concieved (literally) as a communist plot since only commies would promote miscegenation. National Review always has been and always will be an open sewer of white supremacist waste matter.
This man should be understood as a failed right wing thug. That is, he tries to be one, and the threats and encouragements of violence, from that directly issued to Al Franken, wished upon the city of San Francisco, and many other such incidents, bear out this conclusion. But since his modus operandi is to a) make immoderate, extreme statements, b) psychotically deny making them, c) proceed to threaten, abuse and slander those who point out the video or audio recordings of these statements, he is after all just a laughing stock and a pitiful buffoon.
But it is a tragedy that any decent person takes him seriously, and appears on his dishonest show. Just recently, as Kieth Olbermann pointed out yesterday, he made an utter idiot out of himself for the 50th time, by arrogantly misstating how long ago it was that Gordon Liddy explained how to properly murder federal law enforcement personnel– it was ten years ago in fact, not 20. All of this in the context of claiming some great terrorist status of Ayers, established 40 years ago. Of course that was back when people like the ugly American McCain was helping the USA kill 5000 people a week with his F4’s napalm, anti-personnel weaponry, and apparently 2.5 World War II’s worth of aerial bombs, which ultimately totaled nearly 4 million people. It’s never mentioned as the true context of Ayers.
If he wanted to talk about a time frame around 20ish years ago, he can always mention the fellow right winger Timothy McVeigh, who murdered 170 Americans, while occupying the conservative fringe, just where Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, and other right wingers pushed him with their lies. At that time, we heard numerous tender explanations of why we should have sympathized with the extremist, from such as Newt Gingrich. So much for domestic terrorists.
But in any case, he has inspired a great new sandwich, the Billo: Falafel on Loofah bread.
God forbid anything sould happen to Obama, but if it does it will lay at the feet of the right wing nuts and McCain. While a 'leader' can't be held responsible for the actions of all his followers, they have definatly given fury to the furious and that is dangerous and irresponsible.
"But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have."
Bill O'Reilly May 30 2007 interviewing John McCain.
" .... it would also sink the republican party, I think ..."
HORRORS, oh Horrors!
The reason the Daily Kos is a "hate" site according to your demagogue mind is they point out the truth about you. Why can't you just admit it.
This is a little late to be commenting (I was at work!) but could somebody please post a link to an actual left-wing hate site? As in, something that's actually the vile equivalent of a neo-nazi site?
I don't ask this because I think there aren't violent lunatics on the left end of the spectrum--there sure as hell are. Depending on how you draw the lines, any of the Marxist dictators could easily qualify as such.
I ask because I've honestly never seen a true US-based left-wing hate site. Given that I'm pretty "left wing," am I just blissfully sheltered? Are left-wing nutcases too luddite to have websites? Or is the US political spectrum just shifted so far to the right that there barely are any?
Seriously, somebody link one!
Right-wing hate sites, neo-nazis, why aren't we prosecuting these people as terrorists?
They certainly fit all the aspects of the profile - why aren't we locking these people in Gitmo and running some current through them?
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Sure O'Reilly can now begin to critize the right. With an Obama win all these guys are scurring to partly redefine themselves. It was great being a right-winger over the last 8 years, but it might not be so great being a right-winger over the next 8 years.
MSNBC is cutting into their ratings because it is more left leaning. Some of these right wing commentators might move more left or at least less right for ratings and business reasons.
Bill might be a loudmouth bigot, but he's no fool, He knows MSNBC's eating Fox's lunch and him talking sh*t about the left might be a bad career move. He's trying to point out the true freeper sites that are doing everything short of advocating all-out civil war.
There are hate sites on both the right and the left. You can put a republican slant or a democratic slant on anything you read. Being objective has become a lost art. Though I am not a republican, I am not a democrat. I am not a liberal either. I am not an indy. I am a progressive. That means I am always open to forward thinking. Sensible thinking. Not being sensible has made this country what it is now.
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