Sarah Palin's dalliances with Wasilla's wackiest extremists
Note from Nicole: With this post, we're very happy to introduce C&Lers to Dave Neiwert, who has graciously agreed to join us as Managing Editor. David was formerly with MSNBC, and is a published author, a National Press Club award-winning journalist as well as the owner of the fantastic blog, Orcinus. We're thrilled to have him here. Please join me in welcoming David.
Max Blumenthal and I recently spent several days on separate visits to Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin's hometown where she was mayor from 1996 to 2002. We talked to a number of local residents and pored over a number of city documents, looking into Palin's associations with a far-right political faction in Wasilla. (We working thanks to a grant from The Nation Institute's Investigative Fund.)
The report is now complete and can be read in its entirety at Salon.com. You can also see above the video Max made of his interview with one of the faction's main leaders, a man named Mark Chryson, who headed up the secessionist Alaskan Independence Party during the same time period. It pretty much speaks for itself.
Essentially here’s what we found:
- That Gov. Palin, when a Wasilla city council member, formed an alliance with some of the more radical far-right citizens in Wasilla and vicinity, particularly members of the secessionist Alaskan Independence Party who were allied with local John Birch Society activists. These activists played an important role in her election as Wasilla mayor in 1996.
- Once mayor, one of Mrs. Palin’s first acts was to attempt to appoint one of these extremists (a man named Steve Stoll) to her own seat on the city council. This was a man with a history of disrupting city council meetings with intimidating behavior. She was blocked by a single city council member.
- Afterward, Mrs. Palin fired the city’s museum director at the behest of this faction.
- She fomented an ultimately successful effort to derail a piece of local gun-control legislation which would simply have prohibited the open carry of firearms into schools, liquor stores, libraries, courthouses and the like. The people recruited to shout this ordinance down included these same figures, notably the local AIP representative (who became the AIP’s chairman that same year).
- She remained associated politically with the local AIP/Birch faction throughout her tenure as mayor on other issues, particularly a successful effort to amend the Alaska Constitution to prohibit local governments from issuing any local gun-control ordinances.
In general, we found that not only did Mrs. Palin have numerous associations with these extremists, she actively sought to empower them locally and to enact their agendas both locally and on a state level.
We sent an e-mail to the McCain/Palin campaign asking for their reaction to these findings, and have so far received no response. If and when we do, we'll update.
We haven't any insight into Palin's accusations that Barack Obama "palled around with terrorists" by associating with William Ayers. But we do know there are serious questions about her own dalliances with the far right during the same time period. We didn't find any evidence that Palin herself subscribed to their "New World Order" conspiracy theories, but it's clear she was comfortable with not only aligning herself with them politically, but putting them in positions of actual political power and influence.
I'll be back tomorrow with some City of Wasilla documents you can peruse on your own substantiating our findings.
UPDATE: (Nicole) Max Blumenthal appeared on Rachel Maddow to discuss this article
McCain's youtube Folks vid is gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBsE8GbLM8U
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc."
???
I really like the new format.
That's the *only* positive comment I'm leaving, considering I was chased out from obamaBushbots.
I can't believe people think that Sarah will try to...what, have the US secede from the world?
Grant Alaska its independence? Lend Florida out of the country?
I personally like the picture of Ayers standing on a rumpled US flag in, what..2006, 2007? He sure writes nice blurbs for Obama's books though. And as Ayers put it when a technicality allowed his release, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird".
That's funny. Personally, as pissed I was about the shrub and gore, I can't believe you're not talking about the recent restraining order filed in Ohio regarding Jennifer Brunner and not requiring scrubbing of voter registration for accuracy. I guess it's ok when the Dems are doing it.
This election has separated the real dems from the faux dems, that's for damn sure.
-HillaryDem - Voted for McCain Sept 30 - Ohio
Sad to see what posers everyone's turned into.
You are certainly no "real Dem" if you voted for McDepends , you hypocritical , uneducated tool.............
I'm sure Hillary has disowned you by now.
But your right this elections is separating the real dems from the faux dems, and you are the latter.
No real dem votes for Grampy and Vampy -
This one's for you
Yet Another Suicidal Hillary Clinton Supporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY_zj-wrdFA
waahhhh throw your temper tantrum but neverr claim to be a real dem - you're nothing but a DINO
c&l hitting the big time???
oh god...dont go corporate on us....please
Woman Shot In Head Survives
Linda Burnett , 23, a resident of San Diego , was visiting her in-laws
And while there went to a nearby supermarket to pick up some groceries.
Several people noticed her sitting in her car with the windows rolled up
and with her eyes closed, with both hands behind the back of her head.
One customer who had been at the store for a while became concerned and
walked over to the car. He noticed that Linda's eyes were now open, and
she looked very strange. He asked her if she was okay, and Linda replied
that she had been shot in the back of the head, and had been holding her
brains in for over an hour. The man called the paramedics, who broke
into the car because the doors were locked and Linda refused to remove
her hands from her head. When they finally got in, they found that Linda
had a wad of bread dough on the back of her head.
A Pillsbury biscuit canister had exploded from the heat, making a loud
noise that sounded like a gunshot, and the wad of dough hit her in the
back of her head. When she reached back to find out what it was, she
felt the dough and thought it was her brains. She initially passed out,
but quickly recovered.
Linda is a blonde, and a Republican, and a McCain supporter, but that
could be irrelevant.
dam lib pilsberry assasin!
Man, can't you do better than that old urban legend?
Palin is the terrist she's been warning us about.
Every time a Republican accuses a Democrat of something ..
GUESS WHAT?
It's cuz they are doing it themselves!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Vote in the pbs poll: Is Palin qualified?
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
The republicans have been flooding it.
It's at 49%/49% now
This poll is worthless. It has been debunked for weeks now. If the retard base wants to use it as evidence of a McShame resurgence let them. It means nothing.
MC: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?
CM: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he’d be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.
Over at http://www.marieclaire.com/world/news/cindy-m...
NO wonder they're keeping palin under wraps. the irony is that palin is making all these claims about obama.
i remember maddow speaking to a (R) state senator who said that Plain takes disagreement very personal. palin will done after this. it will be considered a huge mistake.
And it'll be on Palin's hands. (McCain will play the part of Mr. MacBeth).
This New Cult Should be Called Apoca-Lipstick Now
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3421
Sarah, please leave us alone and go home. We don't want you, need you or even respect you. You believe that the Earth is 5,000 years old, which is as stupid as all get out and you believe in witchcraft, which even more crazy. Please, don't let the American people as a whole, be branded as people who believe in your stupid, crazy, inane views of the world. OK, you're fucking stupid....there...I said it. So now fade away and let us never see your stupid face again. Have a great day (maybe in jail after Troopergate gets finished..yahoo)
dont need to use religious bigotry to get rid of her
she is alligned with dangerous nutjobs
one being her hubby the stalker
had the msm been doing their jobs, she woulda been off the ticket after day one and mccains campaign wouldve been dead
http://rednecks4obama.com/
Wow, what a great site. This shows what I've said in other threads today, we as progressives have to knock off the elitist bullshit. It takes a nation of millions.
AP: Alaska court refuses to shut down Palin probe
This should be interesting!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
And I'm so happy that this story is coming out. It's about time. It's absolutely unbelievable that Palin has the gall to smear Obama with Ayers.
The article is a must read!!
The story here is hypocrisy. Sarah is now gung-ho for the good’ole U.S. of A. – and always has been. It is obvious though that Sarah is an opportunist, whose political affiliations are those which are most expedient. With David’s report (hi David) – we see now she is and has been everything that she accuses Obama of being.
Now for the other part.
I’m not sure that I disagree with what these separationists are saying. There was MUCH debate in the early 1860’s about the States’ ability to succeed from the Nation. It wasn’t the simple issue as it appears today (after all, the N won). To the South, the war had very little to do with slavery. It was about how powerful a Federal Government was in relation to the States which comprises that government. In other words, should the more local communities have more say so about their direction, taxes, limits, etc. than the combined US Government have? To some extent, this debate continues 150 years later.
This group is extreme in their conclusions and intentions, yes. But what their basic argument is shouldn’t be summarily discounted.
And back to our regularly scheduled program…
Hypocrisy.
oh please
so are you saying the south would have seceeded had the north said it was ok to keep slaves???
of course it was about slavery
this states rights bs has always been bs
But slavery was primarily an economic issue in the American Civil War, not a moral issue.
The main issue was whether the US economy would remain agrarian or become industrial. The Industrialists won.
The issue of States Rights is alive and well today. Several states have passed stricter regulations than Federal Standards, but the Bush administration struck down those state laws. For instance, predatory lending laws, beef inspection laws, environmental laws.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
i always found it hard to believe that so many volunteered for service because of some esoteric econometric theory. i believe it was the moral issue of slavery that fueled the engine for the war, but i'm no professional historian.
Slavery, as it was practiced then, was considered barbaric, ancient, and an affront to humanity by most of the civilized world. We were ridiculed in Europe for the practice. In fact, the only place where it was practiced to such an extent by the 1860s was in the American S, and ironically Africa – where the slaves originated.
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that there weren’t any smart people in the S who didn’t know this too. I’m just guessing, but it’s possible the practice would have gone away eventually. (Look, I’m not defending slavery, just attempting to understand the Southern States’ position on the war.)
The central question was whether that nice marriage of 13 colonies, which had worked nicely for 4 score and 7 years, was also irrevocable. Could any State say, “Hey, it’s been nice – now I’m leaving.”? (Again, their point-of-view). Now those invaders from the N say, “Nope – can’t do that. If you do – I’ll kill you.” The Southern Boys say, “WTF! Shoot ME! Watch this!” So they enlist in much greater numbers than those in the N.
It’s easy to use contemporary views to explain actions that took place 100 years ago, but it’s not always accurate.
The moral issue in the south was about states / property rights - who can tell me what to do and who can't. Slavery wasn't immoral to these owners; it was a decision about commodities and resources. Abolitionists made it a moral issue but even they were separatists - they did not expect freeing the slaves to create a desegregated society. Even Lincoln considered mass deportation of Africans, either back to the Motherland or to Central America.
Sad to find out the AIP isn't about rights for the Native Alaskans.
Not true at all. Slaveowners were acutely aware of how immoral slavery was; you only need to look at the elaborate rationalizations about race and religion that were used to allow slavers and their supporters to sleep at night, or how terrified Southerners were of slave revolts. These people were the Repugs of today: In order to stay rich, they would destroy other people wholesale. If they didn't have slavery they would lose their fortunes, so slavery had to be protected.
Most abolitionists were not segregationists or "separatists"; these people tried to practice what they preached -- the fundamental equality of the races. Abolitionists were aware of the racism prevalent in the U.S. at the time, so they didn't press integration; simply ending slavery was incendiary enough for most Americans. Americans aren't much different today then they were in 1860 in that we're about 33% altruistic and lefty, 33% undecided, indifferent or uninterested, and 33% rightwing and, by action if not motive, evil.
True, the agrarian economy of the S was largely contingent upon slave-labor. To those secessionists States in the S, however, there was an increasing encroachment of Federal authority which was at issue. That issue extended well beyond just slavery.
In the aftermath of the war, it has become the central issue which is taught in grade-school…what the war was all about. That was not how those in the S viewed it. They lost.
its secede not succeed. and this blog even has a spell check. wow.
Thanks, secede. Spelling check didn't help me much in this case.
Not so true about slavery. Slavery is explicitly depicted as the major cause or one of the major causes of conflict in the articles of secession of Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas. It wasn't like the Confederate states seceded because they didn't like the federal mail service.
It wasn't likely you could get 300,000 rebels yelling as they cross the ridge into certain death because "they wanted to keep their darkies" either. Most didn't have any. It wasn't what they were fighting for.
You know what? Let Alaska secede. We have enough morons already. Our national IQ would be boosted at the least.
NO! Then they'd get ANWR!
Better yet, let's wait till all the End Of Days rapture right move there, then they can secede. Sarah already made out the invitations for them to wait out the rapture up there. Can we somehow convince them that the end days are upon us?
And now I have Ennio Morricone in my head for the rest of the night!
People without brains ally themselves with muscle.
Sarah's mini-Nurembergs are more than embarassing, they're blueprints for the thiurty-percenters and especially the goons among them.
Niewert or Neiwert? You have it spelled one way in the comment, and another in the byline.
Good thing you've gotten an editor.
Today on the ABC evening news with Charlie Gibson, McCain was interviewed by Gibson. McCain called Ayres and Obama "Two washed-up terrorists."
Obama/Biden need to slam back - hard, unrelenting, and drive these weasels back into their sh#t holes.
When will we see some ads addressing Palin's terrorist/extremist associations? The John Birch Society and the Alaskan Independence Party qualify, according to Department of Defense definitions, as "extremist groups."
I believe an official investigation by Homeland Security is warranted into these associations of the republican vp nominee.
obama knows what to do
the campaign has been sitting on alot of shit, and they will release it to third parties to do the smearing
its a rovian tactic that works
look how bush kept his hands clean
I sure hope you are right.
and not of obama's close association with an admitted, unrepentant terrorist. wow. you must all be scared of McCain and Palin if you want to scrutinize them without taking a good hard look at the man you support.
for 20 months ive taken a good hard look at obama
im sorry that wingnuts are too retarded to follow the news, use the google or to read a book
im sorry that you get all your info from guys like hannity and el druggo (the perv)
im sorry that you all have lost the intelectual capacity to tie your own shoes and chew gum at the same time
now get off the tracks...cuz the train is coming through
Don't worry about us going corporate. There's a reason I'm no longer at MSNBC.
People have a lot of trouble spelling my name. I'm so used to it by now I hardly even notice it. It's Neiwert (pronounced NYE-wert).
Really looking forward to Monday.
Welcome David. I'm Captain Kangaroo. I visit as often as I can and sometime too often. Thanks for filling us in on the important topics of the day.
I saw the piece on Rachel Maddow. It was very good and I went to Salon and quoted the article and passed it on to some right wing Neanderthal base idiots who will not read it but it doesn't matter becasue I insinuated they are ignorant retards if they fail to inform themselves. Of course they will not care but the article was still good. Thank you.
Yeah, the state of right-winger denial is bigger than Alaska these days.
It's no coincidence that Palin allied herself with dangerous radicals and is now inciting crowds to the verge of violence.
She's nuts. She's more of a sociopath than Bush. Her associations (both with people and in her tiny mind) are extreme.
What if something happens to Obama, McCain becomes preznit, dies, and she becomes preznit....
And no one managed to get the message out into the dense MSM that she's worse than just dim?
Actually, my argument is that she's a right-wing populist, and setting herself up for a long and, ah, colorful career as a populist.
I get your point. She's fronting something more dangerous right now. She's courting anger and frustrations and funneling them in the wrong direction. I don't fear her personally. She's inept, once the light of day hits her. But the wrong-headed find her their lightning rod. Mere populism isn't that scary. We have a tradition for it.
These people getting together in numbers, though, and hearing the damnable lies they want to hear from the mouths of national figures doesn't bode well.
Sounds like my kind of gov. Maybe she's not so bad afterall.
Should be the year '1999,' unless we're talking about the year McCain entered public service.
Yes, I am beating the 'McCain is old' horse.
No, it was 1996. Sorry about that -- fixed now.
...I thought she'd been mayor for less time.
Welcome to C&L, David. I don't post much as there are many smarter visitors here than I, so I tend to keep my mouth shut. But I visit this site every day and look forward to your contributions and insight!
Thanks to all for the welcome. I've always loved C&L and am very much looking forward to being part of the great team John has built here.
Kinda hard for anyone to pay attention to Sarah Plowme with the economy melting down worldwide.........wonder what the hell is really going on here...is it actually a group of wealthy assholes wanting to adjust wages to maximize their profits even more?
William Ayers for Secretary of Defence!!!!!!!!!!
you truly are a moron. go back to school and learn some common sense
How did Sarah Palin go from a city council seat in Wasilla to being a two term mayor (where she garnered 651 votes to win in 1996, and a whopping 909 in 1999 for her second term--source City of Wasilla) to becoming governor of Alaska? Was this meteoric rise simply in her stars, or was she rocketed skyward by the Jibberish Elite? Inquiring minds want to know!
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A lot of it had to do with her 2002 run for lieutenant governor, when she lost in the primary. She tapped a lot of the libertarian electorate then, even though she lost, and the cultivation paid off; they turned out in force for her in 2006.
excuse me
she kissed the governor and ted stevens ass during that 02 election
the repugs that she later threw under the bus, she courted in 02
it got her appointed to the regulatory board that she quit
it was her well publicized resignation that made her a household name in alaska
if the alaskan media had done their job in 06, her career wouldve ended then
but they didnt...they allowed her to babble incesently during debates, and did nothing to dig into her record as mayor or her history
better late than never...on nov 4, 2008 her political career dies
for she will return to much different alaska than the one she left
that bitch is in for a big surprise
you betcha
Hey Dave! You branching out our changing steeds? Good to see you here. Good piece on Palin and the Wasilla whackaloons.
I switched steeds, in part because the demands of editing FDL proved to be a more substantial drain on my writing time. I'm confident I can fit in that work more easily here. Though I still love FDL.
Well, C&L are lucky to have you. Hope all goes well. Hope you haven't totally abandoned Orcinus, however. It remains an important resource for my students in the spring term.
Nope, not at all. I hope things will work out well enough that I can get back to doing long-form work at Orcinus.
Great work C&L! I'm sure Hannity and Fox News will take it from here! We have to stop these traitors!
I was pleased when The Daily Show showed the VP debate with the patrons of Tailgaters, and I'm very pleased about this.
To understand Sarah Palin, Americans need to understand where she's from. They need to understand Wasilla and the Mat-Su Valley, and, more importantly, the Alaskan political drama for the last 10 years or so.
It's an entertaining soap opera, but it tells you how someone like Sarah ends up as the Governor of Alaska... and why she shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.
Welcome aboard, David! From Orcinus to CAF to FDL to C&L...
I'm a constant lurker at your most excellent blog, Orcinus. Just wanted you to know that the work you do on the fringe, extremist elements of the GOP is absolutely without peer.
I guess I really need to read your books, too, don't I..?
Welcome to the C & L community; may your stay be long and enjoyable.
Wasn't there a ohn Birch Society magazine on the desk of Gov. Plain in a press photo that I saw when she first hit the scene?
Yes, there was.
This world is getting totally insane!...
LMFAO..
POLE SHIFT!
david was formerly with msnbc, and is a published author, a national press club award-winning journalist as well as the owner of the fantastic blog, orcinus.
dave is also the best writer in blogtopia, and yes, i coined that phrase!
dave is clear and concise, never obfuscating or meandering, but still always interesting. would that every other blogger eschew snarkiness and flurid rococco wordage and get to the point, like dave always does.
I like being snarky.
Flurid rococco wordage?
Haaahaaaa.
I like eschewing snarkiness too, and don't care if my wordage is fluid. I have no idea if it's rococco.
Actually "flurid" is a great new word, combining florid and fluid to indicate both the pattern and the process.
Lewis Carroll created rather a lot of these suitcase words (my favorite is frabjous), but it is only when others grab the new word and pass it around like a Palin baby or white elephant gift that you can determine what sort of monster you've unleashed. ;^)
Whatdoyouknow - portmanteau!
David, welcome! We, the hoi polloi, can be a little unruly at times. Just so you know, eh.
Looking forward very much to your contributions!
Especially when you consider that a conservative is treated like a commie (aka Obama) and the farthest of the far right is considered moderate and sane.
The political dialog in the US has sure shifted quite far, how is it possible that talking about nuking (Obama) or bombing (gramps) another country is considered smart foreign policy? Obama reminisces about 19th century policy (the Monroe doctrine) and no one bats an eye. This country is screwed.
How do you answer for his associations with Bill Ayers, who like i have said before is a known and unrepentant terrorist. Of course, I already know your answer: he was only 8. Of course, Obama wasn't 8 when he sat on a board with Ayers doling out money to ACORN, which I will get to in a minute, launching his political career from Ayers living room and praisingly blurbing Ayers book during which time Ayers said that they [his terrorist organization] didn't do enough. so stop hiding behind the talking points on that one and answer the question. The conclusion is this: if he associates with those such as Ayers how can he legitimately claim that is going to be hard on terrorist. It calls into question his character. Now on to ACORN, poor old ACORN. I don't think that you can debunk the fact that Obama worked for ACORN and that the board he served on with Ayers gave a ton of money to ACORN. Now ACORN is in the news again for voter registration fraud. Now you can't debunk that because their Nevada office was raided, dont even waste your time trying. Also ACORN protested banks who didn't give unqualified people loans and mortgages and called it racial discrimination, and the last time I checked this financial crisis is linked to bad loans. So you have Obama tied to Ayers, a terrorist, and ACORN a fraudulent organization that is also partly responsible for the financial mess that we are in. And Obama is jesus right? but I forgot one more thing. Obama's chief economic advisor was a former ceo of fannie mae and was given 90 million dollars while helping drive fannie mae into the ground and as a result a huge part of the blame in this financial crisis (it wasnt only him). so now we obama linked to a terrorist, a fraudulent company, and one of the ceo's that helped cause this financial crisis. ya he's ready to lead the free country all right. now let me show you who is to receive the majority of the blame for this financial mess. Its the Democrats. In 1977 Jimmy Carter signed the Community Reinvestment Act which, according to a loans officer for Chase Bank that I talked to, forces lenders to give an unqualified person a loan for every qualified person. Now that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. furthermore, bill clinton urged and got passed expansions to this act and further deregulation of fannie/freddie and downsized the SEC (which allowed companies like ENRON to do what it did). Chris Dodd even said that this financial crisis was foreseeable and preventable. yes, the republicans did play a part. they should have refused to pass the expansion that bill clinton wanted and i am sure there are more than a few republicans taking money from fannie/freddie but given this list of evidence presented above how can you say that a) it is a result of Bush's last 8 years of failed economic policies, b)your party is not responsible for it and c)obama is innocent of any wrong doing at any part of his life, ok that was an exaggeration but you get my point.
last of all i want to leave you with this point. obama is a socialist. if he becomes president he will turn this country into a socialist country which will then turn into a communist country, personal greed and lust for power dont go away, when the country becomes a communist country we will fall. do you really want to look back and say "yep, i was proud the day i voted for obama" i really dont think so. what this country really needs is to have a limited-regulation capitalist economy, where the government just makes sure that labor laws aren't being broken and there aren't unethical practices being committed. such a system allows for industry to flourish, which employs a huge amount of people, and maintains the american dream, which obama would surely destroy if nothing else. then we need a congress that makes it decisions purely based on whats best for the greatest number, in other words utilitarianism, but create programs that help people in the minority achieve the majority. revise the tax code so that it is a fair tax on all consumable goods so we can get rid of this idea that the rich don't pay taxes, streamline the government as much as possible and sync the spending with tax revenues (yes i did just use an obama idea). then we need a president that will use diplomacy as much as possible but that isnt afraid to make a unilateral decision. lets face it both parties have failed us and this is the only realistic way we are going to get out of the political mess we are in.
and oh by the way i am voting for mccain only because he is the lesser of two evils. so dont think i am a retarded blow hard republican because i am not.
Is there any other kind?
And what are you?
To David, aka the Orcinus watcher.
Hello Mr. corporate media guy. Let me just say, let it all hang out here, it is only the internet you can't believe anything you read on here, so write what you want.
Ps. Can someone get rid of Palin from Alaska, That was one of my destinations.....I am not going if the lynch mob Republo-Christians live up there.
Welcome, Dave. Nice to have you on board! Hope to see some good stuff (like this one) from you.
David,
Welcome! We need as much real reporting as we can get, and the MSM is no longer the source for journalism.
I truly hope that Joe Vogler and the other AKIP extremists get exposed as the violent and greedy landgrubbers they were/are. Anybody who is buying plastic explosives on the black market needs to be examined, and when you think of McVeigh and Kaczynski... operating at the same time with the same bitter hatred of America... shudder! Enough innocents have died to terrorism.
Some questions that I'd like to see answered:
Manfried or Manfred West, who murdered Vogler, is described as a convicted thief and as a former aide. How and from whom did he get the plastic explosives? Had he done this before? Had any of them been used to blow up what? He'd worked as a campaign volunteer... on whose campaign(s)? What did he steal? Does everybody in the AKIP have a quasi-criminal or violent record? Aren't campaign staff vetted?
http://www.divasblueoasis.com/showDiary.do?di...
With these extremists combining politics and violence, their operation of infiltrating other parties and fomenting hatred and divisiveness must be exposed. People as individuals don't like being use. However, far too many humans are happy being animals in a pack. The Palins understand how to incite a violent crowd, starting a wildfire is easy, but I doubt if they have the wisdom and intelligence to control it.
Sometimes the way to thwart violence is to understand the frustrations and deprivation that can cause it... get people involved with politics, vested in development, and they're less likely to blow things up. However, we can see just how well that is working in the Middle East.
With all those AKIP members associating with the other extremists such the the Constitutionists and Populists and Southern secessionists, we can justly fear giving them any more power than they have already wrested. When one of the first things they do is rewrite the Alaskan Constitution to make it more favorable to militias, they stridently oppose any form of gun control, and they individually can equip armies, there is great peril. Add explosive firepower to the dominionists and end-timers preparing for armageddon and you've just set the match to the keg.
well, if ever anyone at C&L ever claimed to have ethical or moral aptitude, it has now been blown to waste.
two wrongs don't make a right, amato. this is trash.
What are the chances the McCain-Palin ticket get elected after these revelations?
From now on, we can refer to Senator Obama as President Obama.
Chances are it doesn't matter all that much. Apparently lefties are now acting like cursed righties. seriously, if Obama's relations with people in his past don't mater, why the hypocrisy? By painting Palin this way you're giving weight to the stupid allegations against Obama that you rightfully claim are preposterous and misleading.
i wanna love America, but this shit reminds me of what Bill Hicks and George Carlin called stupid people; but this is stupid people who think they're smarter than the other stupid people - who think they're smart, too.
Any body care about the economy? Does it matter if you care? Do you know how it works? Please, Amato, clean this shit up!
to the ultimate fucking all-enlightening anti-socialist guy:
YOUR COUNTRY WAS TURNED SOCIALIST ABOUT A WEEK AGO>
partly. but obama will make it worse and worse and worse till we end up as communists. and i for one dont want that. do you?
Shocking as it may seem, Mark Chryson is obviously a whole lot smarter than Sarah Palin, Johnny McGutter, and all the other Right Wingers who are going after Obama for being "friends" with Ayler. As Chryson points out, being friends with someone doesn't mean you share their views. Of course, as far as I can tell, no has presented even a shred of evidence that Obama has ever been a "friend" of Ayler's, despite all of the dishonest verbiage coming out of Scumbag Central, aka the McCain/Palin campaign.
Great non-comment. how about you get yourself a real esteem and let go of getting revenge on those who make cheap attacks against Obama. really, it's in the bag. McCain is desperate, don't worry about it.4
you know why because the media refuses to investigate it and ask him the hard questions about it. if it was mccain every news network would be on him like white on rice. in this election the news media is nothing more than propagandists for obama, with the exception of fox news, and that is yet another alarming circumstance. i believe if the true extent of his relationship with ayers were to be exposed you all would be in for a shock. and what about his close ties with ACORN, who continues to try to steal this election for obama (if it was so certain that obama was going to win why does ACORN need to file fraudulent voter registration applications. hmmm interesting) and also his close relationship with fannie and freddie. a couple of their ceo's are on his advisory staff and he did receive the second biggest amount of money from freddie and fannie out of all senators in just 3 years. now you are going to believe what you believe but ask yourself why isnt the media investigating these things and if they were too what would be the result?
I watched Max Blumenthal on "The Rachel Maddow Show" last night and he talked about you and this story. Let's just hope it gains some traction in the MSM. They have a tendency to not care about this kind of thing unless it's about Dems.
Chryson does make one interesting point... just because two people are friends, that does not necessarily mean that they share the same idealogical views. I wonder if Sarah agrees with that when it comes to Obama's 'friends' Ayers and Wright?
I read through all of the comments looking to see if anyone was going to make that one (and I was going to make it if you hadn't).
SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!
"Just because two people are friends, that does not necessarily mean that they share the same ideological views."
Are you listening McShame? Are you listening Plain? Are you listening Hannity? Coulter? Malkin? O'Rielly? et al?
The more I read about this woman, the more disturbed and concerned I become at the thought she might actually end up president in a McCain administration.. I mean all other issues aside,the odds don't really favor McCain living to the end of his term... And after seeing snippets of her latest rally appearances, she is one scary bitch.. Yea, I used the 'b' and it's deserved... From what I've seen, if the shoe fits....and so on and so forth... She evidently is that girl we all know about.. The one who screwed someone out of the head cheerleading assignment just because she's selfish and she could get away with it because of who she knows and how pretty she bats her eyes.. The one who sucked up to teachers playing on her looks to get a good number for college admission quals... The one who just had to be head of the student council or she would throw a tissy fit and tell her powerful daddy to get someone fired... I'd call her Cheney a with prettier face which would be bad enuogh, but I think its far more insideous and dangerous than that... Cheney is evil intellegence given a lever of power...She on the other hand is more spiteful id playing out her darkest power tripping fantasies... She's like that movie 'Heathers' with an icepick in her and and an major axe to grind against someone....
A nation under her control would be akin to the Eastwoods Pale Rider... Call it Palin Rider... And just like the end of that movie, she would paint this nation red from end to end and plant a sign.. Welcome to Hell! In case you haven't figured it out.. No, I don't like her, I don't trust her...................JD
It's wrong to say that Palin "remained associated politically with the local AIP/Birch faction throughout her tenure as mayor on other issues, particularly a successful effort to amend the Alaska Constitution to prohibit local governments from issuing any local gun-control ordinances." That state constitutional amendment passed in 1994. Palin didn't become mayor of Wasilla until 1996.
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