Tent Cities: Welcome to the new Bushvilles
By David Neiwert Monday Mar 09, 2009 3:00pm
MSNBC has been reporting on the huge tent city forming outside Sacramento, including a remarkable photo essay on the encampment. Similarly, a Daily Mail piece offers more detail:
Mikkel Fishman at The Moderate Voice has more details on the economic and political background.
As Chris Jansing reports, this isn't the only "tent city" gaining in size: So are similar encampments near Seattle, and Reno, and Nashville. Down in Dallas, the need for an encampment is rising quickly.
In other words, by mid-summer, we may see these encampments around the country. And they deserve a name:
Bushvilles.
When Americans had to endure such hardships 80 years ago -- forming shantytowns made of wood shacks and canvas tents -- they named them in honor of the president who had done nothing to prevent the oncoming recession and ultimately Depression into which he had led them.
They called them Hoovervilles:
A Hooverville was the popular name for shanty towns built by homeless men during the Great Depression. They were named after the President at the time, Herbert Hoover, because he allegedly let the nation slide into depression. The term was coined by Charles Michelson, publicity chief of the Democratic National Committee.[1] The name Hooverville has also been used to describe the tent cities commonly found in modern-day America.
Homelessness was present before the Great Depression, and hobos and tramps were common sights in the 1920s, but the economic downturn increased their numbers and concentrated them in urban settlements close to soup kitchens run by charities. These settlements were often formed on empty land and consisted of jerry-built shacks and tents. Authorities did not officially recognize these Hoovervilles and occasionally removed the occupants for technically trespassing on private lands, but they were frequently tolerated out of necessity. The New Deal had special relief programs aimed at the homeless, the Federal Transient Service (FTS), which operated 1933-35.
Some of the men who were forced to live in these conditions possessed building skills and were able to build their houses out of stone. Most people, however, resorted to building their residences out of box wood, cardboard, and any scraps of metal they could find, together with a stove, bedding and some cooking utensils.
Most of these unemployed residents of the Hoovervilles used public charities or begged for food from those who had housing during this era. Democrats coined other terms, such as "Hoover blanket" (old newspaper used as blanketing) and "Hoover flag" (an empty pocket turned inside out). "Hoover leather" was cardboard used to line a shoe with the sole worn through. A "Hoover wagon" was an automobile with horses tied to it because the owner could not afford gasoline; in Canada, these were known as Bennett buggies, after the Prime Minister.
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Very well written. It is painful to see all that Obama should do and is not.
I want him to succeed, and think he must fire anyone around him who does not agree with what you have stated.
Thank you for the courage to say what you have.
Obama will fail and we all will fail if he keeps on doing what he is doing by proping up the banks and those responsible for this worldwide economic crisis.
Whoah! Bush prop up the banks with no condition. Obama is going back in after the mess, don't confuse the stimulus program with the bail out of banks and Wallstreet. Obama is tracking down the money from bonuses to the banker after Bush gave them the money. I say let Obama keep doing what he is doing to control damages.
is obama, "tracking down the money from bonuses to the banker[s]"?
how does that square with this:
"The Obama administration hopes to jump-start this crucial machinery by effectively subsidizing the profits of big private investment firms in the bond markets. The Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve plan to spend as much as $1 trillion to provide low-cost loans and guarantees to hedge funds and private equity firms that buy securities backed by consumer and business loans."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/business/20...
seems more like he is tracking them to make sure they get paid...
In addition to the coverage in your post, there is also a piece in USA Today about foreclosures in CA and FL including an interactive map comparing 2006 to 2008.
I'll find the link and come back. thanks again for this important coverage of more tragic consequences of a Bush presidency.
here is the USA Today map. http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing...
h/t Discourse.net via Mike's blog roundup.
Also, here is another photo essay on Tent City, Sacto
via sfgate.com
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?...
While Bush is certainly bears a significant share of the blame, let's not forget the GOP which would be more than happy to continue inflicting Bush/GOP policies. The current GOP tactic is to blame Bush, when forced to admit that anything bad happened, and then offer up Bush/GOP policies as the solution.
Don't fall for that ploy: instead call them GOPervilles after their unrepentant creators.
But what is the out?
All I see is a war. And turmoil.
War and turmoil are the neocons ideals... let's work together to get out of this with volunteerism and hard work
Bushville sounds a little awkward, so I just thought I'd suggest a name that I think rolls off the tongue a bit better -- you know, for the purposes of name-branding and all:
Dubyavilles.
-- Rob
"SCHRUBVILLES"
Molly would be proud. Miss her.
Bushville is a better choice.
We need it as a constant reminder to help keep any other Bushes from gaining public office - especially the presidency - ever again.
*
......within the new shantytowns. They should be called Barbara Bushville, Laura Bushville, Jeb Bushville, Pappy Bushville, Jenna Bushville, etc. A shanty subdivision named for every member of that criminal family.
..."Bushervilles".
paulsen pines. compationate conservative paridise.
"Paulsen Pines"? I love that! What a hoot.
Bernankeburg
Geithnertown
Nice try, but neither Bernanke nor Geithner were the occupants of the Oval Office -- and moreover, Paulson is even more responsible for Treasury Dept. misconduct than B or G ever were.
It's about the Resident'n'Thief -- Dubya. So Dubyavilles.
-- Rob
PS regarding another post: Neither Bushville nor Schrubville rolls off the tongue, IMO, as much as I'd love to honor Molly Ivins by supporting the latter. (Schrubyavilles? Scrubyavilles?) Anyway, I love the levels of irony involved in "Dubyavilles." Yeah, it's a semantic argument, but I really want us to Dub(ya) the term that'd be the catchiest (and thus, easiest to pronounce), so I'm a'goin' with "Dubyavilles."
And after all, Dubya's been so worried about protecting his legacy, lately, so it should be all about him. Let's not mix his Daddy Complex into it with the more generic "Bushville." Or fob off any amount of blame on to even Paulson or Geithner or Bernanke or whoever. The buck stopped (and cratered) with Dubya.
PPS: Sorry for that PS being longer than the main body of this entire post. ;)
If we send Barbara there (a wet dream), she could be Babs of the Busherville. I'm sure she'd think these shantytowns "work out nicely for people." (the miserable hag)
(On second thought, I want to see all the Bushes in Concentration Camps. These "towns" are too good for them)
If we can't get them into courtrooms, your suggestion is a good one.
that it's not his fault. he knows it's his fault, but he knows it's not his fault. I know, goofey.
This story saddens me very much. However, I disagree somewhat with efforts, though fully justified, to peg this to the Bush administration. It is now the responsibility of the Obama administration to correct this mess and ensure that the American people are able to work, should they choose, and can remain in their homes. Blaming it on Bush is no longer an effective strategy. We need to bring awareness and take action to correct the underlying conditions that create this situation.
Just my $.02...
We should ignore the past by putting a bandaid over the boo boo's? Sorry, but that's just ignorant. Lay blame where it lies so this cannot ever be repeated. Make sure the people responsible can never gain power again.
Not what I'm driving at. I think we should absolutely prosecute the Bush administration officials who flouted the law and the Constitution and would like to see Rove and others serve time for their countless crimes, known and unknown.
I struggle to articulate this point properly. What I'm driving at is that building up populist rage against the former administration serves little purpose. They're gone and are not coming back.
It would be slightly more effective to point blame at Republican governance that brought us to this place. However, demonizing George Bush does our movement no good and eventually begins to discredit our own efforts.
to call them Republicanvilles, TrickleDown Town. LowTaxVilles. Let-them-fail-Burgs. MillionDollar Bonus Villages. How about GOPville.
tarp-villes
How about a Santelli inspired name....Loservilles.
People would think "Losers" live there, which is the wrong idea.
Dude, I knew some one here would totally not get the joke, uh the Santelli reference wasn't a hint that I was kidding?
To say that they are gone is horribly wrong! To label for what it is to distinguish those that put us here is tantamount the reason why we are where we are. McCain would often say "we are where we are lets move on" but this is over 20 years in the making and instead of moving on, they have continue to steal and loot the national treasure and abuse the constitution. Make a stand now or make a stronger stand later when your backs are to the walls. Either way it is better to make small revolution with the consent of the people than a violent one when you are strip of everything and nothing to lose.
Those people living in tent city, are pretty much there with nothing left to lose.
This Wed. at 10:00 a.m. EST.
It should be a doozie:
http://domesticpolicy.oversight.house.gov/sto...
I'm going to call Kucinich's office to see if the committee he chairs will be streaming the event on a .gov site (just in case CSPAN decides to not cover it).
this is bush's fault
if i walk into a china shop and break everything in there, is it the next customers responsibility to pay for it????
these people shouldnt be setting up tent cities
they should be making a caravan to houston...march on that bastards palatial mansion...and string his ass up
but first, they should make a quick stop in az, find that stupid bitch meagan mccain and { Edited. SM} around for worrying about not getting a date
I would also like to see the BushBrat's name not only on the Sewage Treatment Plant in S.F. and, on ea. tent city to remind our brethern with shorter memories, just exactly WHO the fatcat is that caused the melt-down, with deregulation and all the other Phil Grahm shenanigans included. I like Bushvilles. I want to see IT (the SOCIOPATH) and cohorts tarred/feathered, BEATEN, penises slashed with razorblades, waterboarded, and all those other little perverted stuff done on their person, BEFORE we send them ALL to the Hague. Including the blue dogs, Nancy Kneepads, and bendover Reid, ALL the fatcats now so high and mighty.
[Deleted. Do not advocate violence here-Sitemonitor]
You have inherited this President Obama, but you have also refused to change it. Let's tick it off, shall we?
* You have refused to step on the neck of the CDS monster by declaring the uncovered writing of these swaps contrary to public policy and thus void, suspending all ability to collect until they are on a public exchange with nightly margin supervision.
* You have refused to claw back the nearly $50 billion that our government paid to the bankers who caused the mess via bailing out AIG, and attempted to conceal same.
* You have refused to compel The Federal Reserve to disclose the full details of who it is lending to and on what collateral.
* You have refused to demand that the banks (and all other firms) produce accurate balance sheets showing the impairment on their so-called "assets".
* You have refused to direct the FBI to indict the CEOs who came on national television hours or days before their firms collapsed, proclaiming that "everything is fine."
* You have not only refused to demand prosecution of the homeowners, mortgage brokers, lenders and others who lied about the quality of the loans made, you have explicitly excused that behavior in crafting "help" for homeowners, ratifying out-and-out fraud!
* And finally, you have stuck a second $700 billion placeholder in your budget for yet more bailout money to be paid to the very people who caused this collapse in the first place.
President Obama is in a much more precarious situation, in that this is not just about whether he can execute his agenda or not - it is about whether we will have an economy (and likely a republic) left in another year or so, and if he does not pull the cotton out of his ears in the very near future the answer will be "no", as we are approaching a point where we will suffer enough damage to the capital markets that a reply of at least the 1930s - if not the 1870s - will become inevitable.
Be warned Mr. President - we are on the precipice of a tipping point from which you and our economy cannot recover for a decade or more, if at all.
Protecting those who have stolen the wealth of millions of Americans, along with their homes and jobs, is going to become singularly unpopular in very short order.
Yes, George W. Bush was responsible (along with President Clinton before him and the Congress over the last 20 years) for the economic and market conditions that got us here. I've said that repeatedly.
You, however, are personally responsible for refusing to address the issues and continuing to foment and cause what is now turning into an all out economic and market collapse.
The first job of a new manager, where he is brought in to clean up the mess made by the old manager, is to fire and replace all the incompetent people responsible for the mess, to sweep the floors down to the bare wood if necessary, and to lay down the law publicly that there is a new boss in town and the "old way" of doing things will no longer be tolerated.
President Obama has failed to do any of the above and as such his claim that he intends to "save or create" jobs is a lie.
President Obama owns this reality, whether he wants to or not, and the market, as of this point, is now down more than 20% from his inaugeration date and more than 30% from the date of the election, with nearly a 10% loss in the last week.
http://market-ticker.org/
See, this comment came up as I was writing my post. I knew it.
You won't blame Reagan, though. You simply won't. Not that your devotion to Regan is unhealthy or anything (not like those "Obamabots"). No, he was simply not capable of any wrongdoing. Any problems during his terms were all Jimmy Carter's fault.
The dirty, unspoken secret about the so-called Reagan Revolution is that the expansion of the economy after 1979-82 (the 'Carter Recession, followed by Paul Volcker's brutal anti-inflation monetary policy) was based on debt.
Reagan's advocacy of Supply-Side economics was a failure from day one - the idea was that tax cuts would stimulate so much economic growth that government revenue would go into long-term surplus. The economy would grow, tax rates would fall, the Reaganites would restrain the bureaucracy and cut regulation, and rising revenues would actually start to pay off the national debt. This would reduce the interest expense of the debt, which would in turn enable more tax cuts and increase real per capita income. Everybody would get richer thanks to unrestrained markets, while the 200-year-old debt burden, which had grown so much during WW2, Vietnam and LBJ's Great Society, would finally melt away.
It never worked. The Laffer Curve (the economic model that 'proved' gov't revenue would rise as tax rates fell) was a fraud. Reagan increased spending, he didn't cut it - he simply replaced cuts in social programs with bigger increases in defense budgets. Deregulation increased income inequality. Middle class wages stagnated, never increasing beyond where they were in real terms in 1973 (except briefly, under Bill Clinton).
Meanwhile, the debt grew faster and faster (except under Clinton), deferring the cost of current consumption into the hazy future. Deregulation enabled the creation of dangerously risky financial derivatives, and the recession that might have forced recognition of excessive market risk was deferred by artificially low interest rates. The housing bubble was the last gasp of false, debt-driven prosperity. The conditions for unprecedented financial meltdown were thus created over a 25-year period of neocon fiscal/monetary policy.
The so-called 'fiscal conservatives' brought about the crisis of Capitalism and the revival of activist government.
Economic growth covered all this up.
So right.
Which is why Obama doesn't read blogs.
Dow 4800. Bet on it.
He could care less about the greed on Wall Street.
Under Reagan, the DOW never got above 3,000. What a failure! Can you say 'republican recession'?
A newly elected President who can just start telling the FBI who to arrest? That is what we had and is not what we want. That would be a dictatorship. You have had your panties in a twist ever since Obama won. You need to get your priorities straight.
inverted totalitarianism
....should have been done when George Bush was the president.
....George Bush was the president up until January 20, 2009 at noontime! What did he do to fix things? Nothing. At least President Obama is trying to fix things. Republicans mess up our nation and the Democrats always fix it.
aaaarrrrgggh no !no !no! only a republican !would bitch, moan slither , try to talk some sence into such a thread , i intend to fully support, not speak a discourageing word , squirm, try to silence the nay sayers, live on beautiful dreams , get past realitys, not hold my presidents feet to the fire, and the skys are not cloudy all day! shanty towns an american tradition!
Good Evening tyree! Careful on those toes you step. The disillusioned will support him to the end, just like Bushies 23%ers did.
evening canuck
Tell us.
around the flag! works for me!
I intend to give him a chance. I doubt ANYONE can magically fix the economy at this point. I'm curious to see what other things he does-- beyond the economy.
The economy bores me. We've been fished into hanging on its every murmur for far too long. Money is the cause of every one of the problems now. People deluded themselves about money and stopped thinking about people: we became numbers, and stopped caring for each other.
won't you? I'm sick of schmucks like you.
* You have refused to demand that the banks (and all other firms) produce accurate balance sheets showing the impairment on their so-called "assets".
True. As far as I know there isn't any "proof" that the banks are in need of free money.
You are only good for the "truth" you want to see told. Do you have any idea what's likely to happen if he follows your advice? You start out with the economy you have, not the one that you want. He is building toward the economy that we want, and away from the PoS we have. Most apparently, you haven't thought this through.
It'll start on FOX, then CBN, right-wing radio, CNBC, and eventually you'll even hear Chris Matthews call them: Obamavilles.
Yep, it's already "Obama's recession" and all you need to do is repeat Obamavilles a couple of times (and it will be repeated more than just a couple of times, facts be damned) and it won't matter who started the recession, most American's will believe it's Obama's mess.
I can just picture, though, several Freeper types insisting upon calling them "Obamavilles", since Bush is no longer president and Obama, who has been president for all of two-and-a-half months (give or take) is now the only one responsible for any or all economic depression in America.
Well, him and Bill Clinton.
And Jimmy Carter.
And Nancy Pelosi. But no Republicans, not one of them. Except the wrong ones, like Arlen Specter or whoever is pissing off Rush today.
not 2-1/2 month. 10 days short of 2 months.
This won't be an immediate solution, but there may be hope for the future.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/576.html
We have plenty of houses built already. We don't need more.
and it won't make any difference if they are not affordable.
and dare the fucking sheriffs to evict you.
have a buncha local tv hangin' around...
if enough folks did it, they'd play holy hell keeping the lid on...
Bingo. No one deserves to be homeless. What the hell happened to affordable housing?
As a builder/cabinet maker I have to say that is a wonderful idea, if a home owner can cut out one of those price gouging contractors that my industry is full of it would make basic housing affordable again. I also build and fly radio controlled planes. Many balsa and light ply plane kits are all laser cut now days. I can vouch for the structural integrity of interlocking parts and glue.
Is this all done by incompetence, or could there possibly be a plan to take down America and its standing in the world?
Nww who would want to do that??!! #;}
what would you do?
Prop up the banking system?
Pay off the powerful fucks who put you in power?
Do all of the above and make flowery speeches?
None of the above?
He didn't push regulating the CDS market.
He kept two wars and the tax cuts out of the budget to make his economy look rosy.
He brought the debt level down to $12 trillion.
The Dow dropped 6,000 points under him (went from 14,000 to under 8,000).
isn't President any more Kay.
You'd never know it since we're all living amongst the shit pile he left.
This shit should be literally laid to his door. Ever wonder why he moved into a gated community as he left? This is why.
who could have regulated the CDSs died in the WTC on 9/11/01.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-28/news/w...
After 9/11/01, George Bush lied to the American people about the Ponzi Scheme going on on Wall Street and kept telling Americans to spend their money and get their homes any way they can. In 2005 the housing market started to crash, George Bush did nothing there either. The White House, the US Senate, and the US House was controlled by the republicans and yet.....they did nothing. Then when the Democrats took control with a one seat lead in teh Senate, nothing could get through and if it did, George Bush did not sign the bill into law.
control both houses now and the presidency and guess what? They want to look forward, and play the same way the Bushies did. I'm not saying Bush is not to blame Kay. I'm saying homeless, poor people, are not going to vote, or give a sh*t about party politics. How will it help to blame Bush? Right or not, this is Obama's mess now. He wanted it.
"homeless, poor people, are not going to vote, or give a sh*t about party politics."
That is total BS. I'm poor, been homeless before, and I vote, am an avid political junkie, and know MANY, MANY who are the same.
Wasn't the last time the US got out of just such a crisis was during the 30's when Roosevelt was in and both chambers were controlled by the Democrats.
History repeating itself. Yes, here we are again.
I'm always amazed by those that say, "voting makes no difference." The last 30 years of Reaganomics and de-regulation have proven that fact.
Big shocker there. Now he sits on his homemade throne in Texas and keeps thinking to himself that he did a great job. It kills me to see this happening.
Fuck Bush, Cheney, Paulsen, the bankers who abused their bailout money, and all the idiots that support and defend the aforementioned.
If you were Obama what would you do?
Put a bloodied guillotine in the Rose Garden and invite bankers and Republicans for lunch at the WH, for starters. Angry mob at the gates for effect (yup-- pitchforks, torches and keys for the gate in hand.) Then start asking questions and broadcast the answers over a PA system, outside. (You did ask.)
biggest steaming pile of crap in U.S. History.
He may as well have inherited Rome.
It's just a bunch of loosers anyway
-R.Santelli
This reminds me of a two part Star Trek - Deep Space Nine episode called "Past Tense".
I hope we never go so far as to make people live in places like this, treat them like less than human, and refuse to allow them out.
episode, as well. I think it took place in the year 2030. That might look rosy compared to what might really happen.
[Deleted. Two things. One knock it off with the off topic posts. Two, don't use tinyurl. No one can tell where it's going-Sitemonitor]
bushvilles
dubyavilles
neoliberalvilles.
whichever name sticks shows just what a terrible fucking idea the economic policies have been. from decades of irresponsibly on the part of govt-corp, to the horrible TARP.
the govt-corp decided (see, followed orders) to funnel taxpayer money to those that are responsible for this mess, instead of where the money should have been directed--the people. [again]
now, holy fuck me, the bumbling dems have given the GOP a winning strategy to make a populist appeal (however deceptive it will be)...
Drive a few hours south of Tampa. You'll see.
In July 1931, IIRC, the dow hit 47, literally 1/10 its value in Sept. 1929.
So, the Dow peaked at 14,000 or so, so if we plumb the levels of the Depression, look for it to bottom out at 1400.
Remember: invest in the stock market for your retirement.
Not.
The whole idea of claiming foreclosed houses strikes me as bravado. The neighbors will rat them out in an eye blink here in the U.S. and a SWAT team with some tear gas can clear them out quickly enough. Probably get federal money for it as "training exercises." This isn't a kinder and gentler Amsterdam.
But living in the woods? Maybe. Reminded me of reading that Oregon (I think, or Washington) some years ago changed their policy so that seniors could camp out all summer in state parks instead of moving on in a few days. Tenting really stretches the rice and beans on social security. Don't know whether that is still the policy.
they'll be called "Obama Condos" or some shit.
tent cities New
Mon, 03/09/2009 - 16:45 — Samson-
bushvilles
dubyavilles
neoliberalvilles.
There is NO WAY the SCUM will diss the Chimp...
just remember that. File it. Remember when the food riots kick in and the cities burn - I told you so.
I've been saying that for a loooong time. I kept hoping i was wrong, that it wouldn't be that bad...but it will...and maybe worse. Water will cause the most destructive wars in the end.
In the 60s, people burned _their_own_ ghettos down. Will they be smart enough to bus to the rich folks neighborhoods this time? I doubt it.
I would just like to say, Obama is president. Obamatown.
I would recommend every one move to central pa, northern VA, stay out of Maryland. The Carlyle group and all the war profiteers live around here, this is where our money is, so come on over. DC areas would prolly be the best idea. :(
Bite me.
mood is liable to occur with shocking swiftness, in the manner of "phase change," where one moment you see a bewildered bunch of flabby clown-citizens vacuously enraptured by "American Idol," and the next moment they are transformed into a vicious mob hoisting flaming brands to the window treatments of a hedge funder's McMansion. The moment of opportunity for avoiding that outcome is looking sickeningly slim right now.
Why doesn't Obama open up the FEMA camps to Americans who are and will be displaced by the economic collapse? The clip mentioned that people have to walk a mile and a half to BUY a bottle of water. What about sewage facilities? Wouldn't the FEMA camps at least have these two utilities? What about food and protection from other desperate people?
This could get really ugly if the government doesn't step in.
There are no FEMA camps. This is a myth constructed by the paranoid right. There are in fact contracts out for companies to build such camps quickly in an emergency, but none of the contracts have been activated.
FEMA should intervene--
Then they should be quickly built, before the winter sets in.
I've always assumed we'll have to build our own. The KBR contractor will just be there to supervise and "keep order".
On the other hand, we've already paid for about 80,000 FEMA trailers that are sitting around rotting. Maybe the formaldehyde has dissipated?
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I just cried and cried. I really think I can take in a couple...but which two do you pick? How do i get them here. Hell, I'm as poor as they come, and even i'm better off then they are. gawd.
from Reagan and Bush Sr to know that when Jr. entered the scene it was time to prepare to create minimal exposure to the oncoming tidal wave headed our way back in Jan 2001.
I tried to warn people but they didn't "get it".
Oh your crazy everything's great man lighten up! Party!
the sooner we face it the better.
I agree. MAJOR trouble, and so many ppl can't or won't see it. It's going to get MUCH worse.
By the numbers those are not villages anymore, they are Bushburbs.
Naaaah. By that standard, Nashville should be called Nashburb. Awwwwwkward. :p
STOP THE WARS NOW ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The money going into these damn things is making it even worse.
from these wars can easily go toward helping the American people. What do we gain from continuous war except more debt and more enemies?
Before you talk about someone else's home, you fix yours first.
I was talking about the money going into the WARS. I am serious about wanting to take in some of these ppl. Problem is, i'm poor myself. If I could get a few here, i'd give them a home.
Where do you live , I'll bring my gamer pc's and what left of my money.
Where do you live? I am talking about the ppl living in the tent cities.
I am in Central PA, where economy is OK, but I am a known enemy, the church people and military freaks screw with me. My family is retarded. I can't get a job because of multiple reasons, but I could work if somebody would hire a domestic terrorist around here.
I am soon going to live in a Van with 2 mobile broadband connections and a generator for power. Every one has their own tragedy, mine is I have enough money to move to the West coast and get established, but now there are no jobs, so I guess I'm stuck making a decision, stay here and never work or move out there and wait and hope the little baby account i have doesn't go dry.
You want a job? go to north dakota. they can't find ppl to work. seriously. look it up. my daughter and her family live in sacramento, so i heard about this, but seeing it is another thing.
my son-in-law worked for intel for YEARS, got the axe in the last cuts, finally is working for school district, and now is looking at massive layoffs there. so you are not going to find work out there for many, many years.
I'm currently stuck in central texas, no job, and very little money left, a 9 year-old car in questionable condition, lose my cell at the end of the month, no insurace, car or health, no registration and an expired license. I'm about to be kicked out again by another "friend" who just wants to live alone. No family left either, I'm scared and alone...I don't know what to do anymore. Sorry to be dramatic, but I'm literally at the end of my rope here.
I guarantee you will never see me in Texas. Come toward DC that is where all the money is, all the crooks all the global thieves live in the general areas. What ever trickle down is around DC.
But I lived in Florida for 6 months, hated it, got laid off, and moved to San Fran for about 6 years. It has it's probs, but I felt more comfortable there, until the layoffs again. Wound up coming home and realizing what a huge mistake it was, and now I'm in the worst situation of my life.
Bush screwed this country, and the people on TV helped him do it. The locals around here hurt me screwed me for thinking other wise. Oh yes you come around here don't say anything to anybody about politics, number 1 mistake. All hail the church people and coke dealers.
what you're on about. I'm just putting out serious desperate plea here. I guess it's the wrong place.
Because none of us know how this will play out. I've been depressed all day over this. You're not alone.
I know I'm not alone in this, but when you've got not family or friends left, strangers are the only ones to turn to. And that's especially risky nowadays, as truly caring trustworthy people seem to be few and far between.
You're right about that.
I was talking with someone about this today. I said" Pretty soon it'll be every man for himself". He said not yet. But maybe.
In retrospective, I think Katrina was the 1st clue. Then Rita and then Ike.
3 hurricanes that caused alot of damage. And the recovery still hasn't happened. Just my opinion.
If I was you, I'd get back to Calif. Good luck Lib, be careful.
Ike screwed me over big. Lost nearly 90% or my belongings. And no help. It's just CA is so expensive and now that I'm homeless, it's a scary option. But everything is scary now. Thanks
Texas is one of the worst places u could be for any kind of help. you really need a friend..and while finding them online is scary and daunting, sometimes it's the only place to find them. you can email me any time. i may not b able to help, but i listen well. *S*
Why???
Obama wants to ramp up the war in Afghanistan and also in Pakistan.
Freedom is on the march!!!
....Hedgefundvilles?
this morning. How very tragic. Hope it isn't just the beginning.
This is all planned, the bankers knew this would happen.
This is what happens when you have a fiat dollar and a central bank. It causes bubbles and busts.
that ron paul is not president
and i'm an atheist
Well if you had Ron Paul as president the solders would be coming home and bankers would be going to prison. You do not know what you are talking about, you go for the whole Dem VS Repub thing which is just a bunch of media created nonsense. They both work for the same people.
Veto powers is all Paul would have. Yes the troops Maybe coming home, but the entire congress and senate would not cooperate with Paul, or the real one Kucinich.
DOesn't that tell you how crooked they are? you know it and people still cheerlead for these jokers.
I know it, I am registered Independent to, not that it means anything. I am American, that's it. Republicans are the worst breed of crooked politicians, and I enjoy trashing them daily. C&L was one of the first web site to wake up, John Amato has done a great job. I like these guys, most of them anyway. Somebody has to pay for this website, I am thinking to keep this site funded and alive it is what it has to be. I like it.
(Alex Jones info wars has viruses and back door hacks into your pc so I grew tired of blocking it.)
I like the site too, I can't stand the partisan Neo-Cons sites. Thats why I am here, there are those here are just as ignorant. We all have to do what you did..leave both parties behind and vote for independent.
Ron Paul a Republican? That's what it says next to his name all the time.
The media and the electoral system is biased against outside parties. He HAS to be in one or the other party...it doesn't matter which one.
there is a lot of truth to that. yet, the party left paul, and he would be best off acknowledging that today's republicans are not conservative.
he has enough die hard supporters that he might get anough votes in a general election to get federal 3rd party funding
He does sya what you say, its just that people rather be partisan and not pay attention.
Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFg26Q1I-fk
A Republican by any other name is still a Republican.
"Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.” -- John F Kennedy
i know you don't know me, as you are new here... but to say i fall for the partisan antics is funny. i am an independent.
yet, the hypocrisy is not lost on me, as its funny for someone that worships a republican to mention the 'dem v rep' stuff to an independent like me.
that said, paulism is a religion, unbound by reality and the laws of physics
No its not a religion, if the constitution is a religion sign me up. I only agree with him on 75 percent of everything. I am for socialized healthcare for example but I will take Ron Paul over any of the other Jokers. I just disagree with Kucinich on certain types of spending.
i know other regulars will disagree with me, but kucinich and paul are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum
they have some commonalities: honesty, integrity and courage, but past that there's not much
not to mention that socialized healthcare is anti-paulism.
I know it doesn't fit with Pauls view, I am Canadian and a cancer survivor. I would be bankrupt now if it weren't for healthcare. Mind you a private system could work with a honest government and no insurance companies but an honest government isn't likely to happen soon.
oh.... Canada....
ok, that's fine. there are many great Canadians that come and talk, with great POVs (not to mention i effin love vancouver island). yet, your 'name' is misleading.
anyhoo...
an honest govt is just about as likely as an honest private entity. which, as my motto goes: trust neither, but keep both
a cancer survivor deserves a salute--i don't know you (obviously) but i'm glad you are winning the battle.
Dude look in the paper and tell me if there are auto-technician jobs.
And there are honest insurance companies? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
I said NO insurance companies..read a little closer.
But no honest government means keeping crooked insurance companies? Better to have government run insurance and have some oversight than private PIGS!
I am saying is honest government (not in pockets of insurace companies) and NO insurance companies period. Doctors should be in charge of what they charge. If doctors had to compete on the basis of their skill you would get better doctors and lower prices. But thats in a whole different world.
Ron Paul speaks well of the constitution. As a theory, as a document.
When it is implemented he doesn't like it. As when the Congress writes laws that regulate the potential fraudsters. Glass Steagall for instance.
He wasn't against Glass steagall. He things banks should be regualted and pay for their crimes especially the fed.
when it was still the tallest building in town. and that Hooverville must be close to the cruise ship terminals, or Sears
We have had a bubble economy since 1980, when Nixon took us off the gold standard in 71 (well bretton woods anyway) it was the beginning of the end. The dollar immediatly devalued 5 times or more all of a sudden it took both mom and dad to be middle class. Then when the 80's came around and deregualtion we got more and more credit use. Then came free trade in the 90's and further bank deregualtion under the dems. Freddie and Fannie started becoming real scary a few years back and Baney frank stopped the move to regulate them it along with dodd but it was too late by then anyway.
Vietnam expenditures where the beginning of the end for America, it was the main reason Bretton woods failed.
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