Um Rabbi, do you really think it's a good idea to label people you disagree with 'parasites'?
Um, do you think maybe someone should point out to Glenn Beck's guest on his show Friday -- Rabbi Daniel Lapin -- that, even though it may feel good to condemn all atheists as "parasites" in a "moral society," it's a profoundly irresponsible thing to do, particularly for someone claiming the title of Rabbi? After all, there is an important historical precedent for what happens when you single out an entire sector of the populace as a "parasitical element."
It's not even worth the time to point out that atheists can propose precisely the reverse claim -- that organized religions are a parasitical element on society -- with probably an even better rationale. Because this kind of rhetoric is a classic example of eliminationism.
Not that Lapin is any stranger to wielding eliminationist rhetoric:
"I am absolutely convinced that God is far from finished with the story of the United States of America," he said by way of summation. "First of all, [there's] the matter of the little battle that must be fought, just as it was in the 19th century." There were, and are, "two incompatible moral visions for this country. We had to settle it then. We're going to have to settle it now. I hope not with blood, not with guns, but we're going to have to settle it nonetheless. The good news is that I think our side is finally ready to settle it. Roll up its sleeves, take off its jacket, and get a little bloody. Spill a little blood. We'll settle it. And we'll win. And then there's no holding us back."
Indeed, this Rabbi Lapin is also known for his long associations with Jack Abramoff, as well as for being the Rabbi who David Duke loves to quote.
Lapin continued:
The sad fact is that through Jewish actors, playwrights, and producers, the Berlin stage of Weimar Germany linked Jews and deviant sexuality in all its sordid manifestations just as surely as Broadway does today. Much of the filth in American entertainment today parallels that of Germany between the wars.
"Indeed, it does," Duke writes glowingly, "It is interesting to note that there a few Jews in America who are concerned about the destructive influence of many powerful Jews. He [Lapin] is concerned not only because he believes that such evil is against his own morality but that it also inevitably brings down Gentile wrath upon Jews. The amazing thing is that there are so few honest voices like that of Rabbi Lapin."
No wonder he now shows up as a "religious authority" on Glenn Beck's show. He fits right in.
Another day, another judgmental schmuck compromising genuine spirituality with his poisonous commentary, Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Because people like Beck and Rabbi Daniel Lapin invent sickness then sell us a hollow cure.
If Rabbi Lapin had a tent and microphone, we'd know him but when the rational is conservative, it's made
to look more calm.
it should not be long before rabbi beck tries to sell everyone
on the only entrance to heaven is by buying gold from goldline....
beck = asshole
Fuck gold and silver. You cannot eat gold, silver, diamonds, or other rare materials, so they might just become as worthless as paper money. That's why I invest in firearms, ammunition, MREs, and dope. With these items I can barter for necessities, eat to survive, self-medicate, or use them to otherwise acquire other items I might need, including the currency of the day.
"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope." -- Freewheelin' Franklin, Furry Freak Brothers Comics, Rip Off Press c.1972
/snark
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
"Um Rabbi, do you really think it's a good idea to label people you disagree with 'parasites'?"
Or 'terrorists' for that matter.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Isn't it possible to live a moral, spiritual life without having to bow to an invisible, supernatural, mythical being? Look at the conflicts around the world. Three-quarters are fueled by religious fanaticism.
Workin' Joe
Exactly.
Seems like they are able to dismiss rational people by accusing them of what they themselves are and do.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Yes, but it's largely Asian such as Confucianism and Taoism.
I have a three hour round trip to work and back, and once on the way to work, whilst I was bored I came up with what I called the 9 Aspects of Being. It's essentially a list Creation terms, religious terms, and even philosophical and day-to day life term, that seem to share these same aspects.
I used Greek terms for the hell of it:
Greek Pig Latin
Sigeo (Silence) Lencesilay
Khaeos (Chaos) Oschay
Phos (Light) Ightlay
Logos (Reason) Sonray
Mathema (Numbers) Bersnumay
Aksiopistia (Relationship) Shiprelationay
Lysis ( A loosening, to destroy) Troydeay
Musterion (Mystery) Terymysa
Kyklos Genesion
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The most immoral and inhumane people I know are also the most religious and judgmental.
The atheist and agnostics are generally good people just trying to enjoy life and contribute.
Rabbi Schmuck is exactly what is wrong with religion. But because he is a "holy man," just like Beck is on t.v., the weak minded will listen to what these two "parasites" have to say.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Don't look at what is really responsible for our problems. Blame the others. The atheist, the homosexuals, the liberals, the brown people..... on and on and on. As if these disparate groups actually have an power in this country.
I only belong to two of the above groups. Atheist? What's the old saying, organizing atheist is like herding cats. Liberals? The ones in politics are generally to weak and or stupid to get anything done. Maybe they just don't have the will......
It's honestly tiring. I have to avoid the rhetoric. Just for the sake of my sanity.
Wasn't "parasite" one of the favorite term that Hitler's boys used for Rabbis and the like? Just sayin'.
Maybe Glenn Beck should ask the good Rabbi what he thinks of Mormons. I'd be surprised if he considered them different than atheists.
By de-linking the Trinity, the Mormons have begun the process of sorting the 3 persons of God into a hierarchy. The Father is a superior figure to the Logos in Mormonism. And because Judaism only forbids placing other gods ABOVE Yahweh, there would be no inherent conflict.
Mormonism is Christianity on its way back to Judaism. You can't help but recognize as much when you study up on it. There is an obvious fascination with ancient Israel, and plenty of Jewish symbols in the Mormon architecture as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Ju...
Notice the Star of David on that Mormon Temple. Indeed, notice that Mormons have Temples rather than Churches...
There are churches, but they're arranged by stakes rather than dioceses or parishes, and I think they're trying to have a temple in every state, but only those Mormons who follow all the rules are allowed in for Marriage for Eternity and Baptism for the Dead.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"I am absolutely convinced that God is far from finished with the story of the United States of America," ...
Well, I'm absolutely convinced there is no god - as least not the kind that interferes on a daily basis in the lives of billions of little critters roaming on the surface of just one of the GAZILLIONS of planets s/he created to make the Universe.
The rabbi is a hypocrite and does not follow the laws of his own espoused religion, so he has no business critiquing the values and views of others, let alone the way they look ( the image of gawd)....
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Conversion: Offense Is the Best Defense...
* Rabbi Marc Gellman, "Trying to Understand Angry Atheists," Newsweek, 26 April 2006.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Mr. Neiwert writes:
". . .even though it may feel good to condemn all atheists as "parasites" in a "moral society," it's a profoundly irresponsible thing to do, . . . ."
From the perspective of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, it is a perfectly responsible and moral thing to do. After all, if he does not say these things, he does not get paid. Then, he and his family will not have an income and bad things will happen to them.
From the perspective of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, it is David Neiwert who is irresponsible. Imagine criticizing a man who just wants to get paid for his job. And as I am sure the good rabbi would point out, Mr. Neiwert get paid for criticizing Mr. Lapin, who is only doing his job. Who then, the good rabbi might ask, is the immoral one here?
/snark
Mr. Neiwert, thank you for wading through all the filth produced by scum like Daniel Lapin. You are not paid nearly enough for that work, IMO.
The Rabbi needs to find a new job. Hopefully the slot he leaves will be filled by a nice Rabbi and not a morally bankrupt one.
violated the Sabbath. I mean, he didn't WALK to the rally, did he? hypocrite.
Off to purchase some stones for the stoning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
"The believing mind is externally impervious to evidence. The most that can be accomplished with it is to induce it to substitute one delusion for another. It rejects all overt evidence as wicked..."
"The time must come inevitably when mankind shall surmount the imbecility of religion, as it has surmounted the imbecility of religion's ally, magic. It is impossible to imagine this world being really civilized so long as so much nonsense survives. In even its highest forms religion embraces concepts that run counter to all common sense. It can be defended only by making assumptions and adopting rules of logic that are never heard of in any other field of human thinking."
"Religion, of course, does make some men better, and perhaps even many men. There can be no doubt of it. But making them better by filling their poor heads with grotesque nonsense is an irrational and wasteful process, and the harm it does greatly outweighs the good. If men could be made better—or even only happier—by teaching them that two and two make five there would be plenty of fools to advocate that method, but it would remain anti-social none the less. If the theologians could only agree on their doctrines their unanimity might have some evidential value, just as the agreement of all politicians that the first duty of the citizen is to obey them and admire them has some evidential value. It may not be true, but it is at least undisputed by all save a small fraction of heretics, which is certainly something. Fortunately for common sense, the theologians are never able to agree. Even within the sects, and under the more rigid discipline, there is constant wrangling, as, for example, between the Jesuits and the Dominicans. Thus the cocksureness of one outfit is cancelled out by the ribald denial of all the rest, and rational men are able to consign the whole gang to statistics and the Devil."
H L Mencken
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/mencken.htm
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The alternative to any religion/cult/mythology/schizoid ranting is humanism. There is only one rational ethical imperative: Treat other primates as you would like to be treated. Describe it as Kant's categorical imperative, Jesus' "Do unto others . . " or any of a number of Confucian tenets. Doesn't matter. This ideological exclusionist is a pre-scientific/Enlightenment neanderthal. Challenge and trash him.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
Well, laughable in the sense that it's so silly it doesn't really merit a response. Of course, it's the kind of thinking that leads to mass slaughter, so it's not really funny.
Yeah, right, rabbi. We're the parasites. It's religion, not secular science, that has built up the technology that now enables you to broadcast your bigotry. It's religion, not our secular Constitution, that guarantees your right to mutter such vile words freely. It's religion, not secular philosophy, that encourages questioning what one is taught in order to approach truth more closely.
Sorry, rabbi, you stand on the shoulders of secular giants to preach your drivel. Not all religious people are parasites, but you sir, are indeed.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Enemy in Mind: Jewish group gets gunned-up to face-off 'Muslim Threat'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AX7lab_oaE
Kitat Konenut Matityahu - Imun Yeri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sy_hbvEniU
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Why doesn't he just call them cockroaches...?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Cockroaches would survive a nuclear holocaust.
Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), The Nazis took pains to portray Jesus as a blond Aryan and certainly no Jew. Hostile to Christianity?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Peter de Rosa, former Jesuit priest and theologian: "In 1936 .. . Hitler assured his lordship [Bishop Berning of Osnabruch] there was no fundamental difference between National Socialism and the Catholic Church. Had not the church, he argued, looked on Jews as parasites and shut them in ghettos? 'I am only doing,' he boasted, 'What the church has done for fifteen hundred years, only more effectively."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
When did you ever see Atheists coming to your door to convert you or pick up a gun to fight in the name of (insert preferred god here) or sold forgiveness for gold (see Catholic Church) or tried to steal children from Hurricane devastated countries? or milked billions of dollars from believers in televised evangelical sermons? or forced circumcision on children and women? or killed non-believers in mass murdering campaigns? (see Christian crusades) or protested against gay people on their own front lawns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHpiXmPWPwk
Parasites huh? Why don't you believers just believe and leave the rest of us to believe what ever we want. In other words, why don't all you believers.....how can I put this so you will understand? oh I got it...GO TO HELL!
Not in America.
But technically the Communists were atheists states.
However, I sometimes thought they turned the State and those who ran it into demigods.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Don't forget strapping on explosives and blowing yourself up at people.
The gun nuts have the easy path to hell, they just won't use it themselves.
Hysteria rules the day. If only we had a leader who spoke calming words since nothing good can become of it.
Those who don't pay taxes...
Ooooh, the irony of projection.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
My lice?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
you being the unexpecting proxy
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Good point. For all their faults, atheists at least pull their own weight in our economy.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
~
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Ben said the same thing about wine. I have the card that says it.
Dear old Rabbi Lapin has long been known as a vile man. He unburdens himself of rancid nonsense every weekend on KSFO. Examples:
Time to impose morality
Understanding is for sissies
It is kind of amazing how people who you'd think would know better will happily demonize others. But then, it is a trait of ape-kind - which includes humankind - to turn around after being victimized and inflict the same treatment on others. Passing the pain is in our genes.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Silly Rabbi
Tweets are for kids...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsR71YZPac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXnTwWf0Ro&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mx_mv6o1Uk&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
There are more of us (liberals, progressives, atheists, agnostics, queers) then there are of them, they know it and it's got them shaking in their boots! They also know that we have difficulty coming together to agree on how to eradicate the real "parasites" who stymie progress, common goodness, fairness and decency. Of course, they'll try anything to keep us from organizing. Let me tell you rabbi and heed my words... better pray to your cloud spook THAT WE DON'T ORGANIZE!
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
We did organize for a short time, we had no "Glenn Becks", no fox news. The Church people have been parasites on society for thousands of years. The typical Fox news, right wing christian thing to do, blame someone else for exactly what you do.
I got a joke;
A rabbi walks into a bar shoots 3 drunks, police show up the rabbi claims the liberals in the back did it, The liberals go to jail. Rabbi on the news hours later saying how violent and dangerous liberals are and they shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons like the one he has.
Bad joke. :D
n/t
One would think people in touch with 'god' would be at peace- but no. They are filled with hate, fear and ignorance. They just can't handle the reality that America is a SECULAR nation.
It is amusing though how the radical right Christians are now turning on Glenn Beck because they hate the Mormons. Religion exists on hatred.
Man made god in his image.
history when Jews were considered parasites on society. Glenn Beck is way way way over the top. It's time to pull the plug on this guy. He is very dangerous. That kind of language has lead to murder and genocide. It needs to be stopped. Fox is reprehensible for allowing Beck to remain on the air. So, now atheists are the new target. Who's next? At what point does someone stand up and say this guy has gone to far. I'm beginning to believe that Fox is truly evil.
Here's a headline you never see... "Innocent civilians killed and injured when atheist militia attacks agnostic stronghold."
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
the religion thing is a cover
he has basically been cut off from the jewish community for his unethical practices, which included cheating people in los angeles for millions in some really bad land deals in venice
the only people he speaks to now are evangelical christians
that is who buys his tapes and keeps food in his mouth
the only jew that has anything to do with him is michael medved...another nutjob
He only speaks to evangelicals?...........that is saying a lot, so to speak.
Michael Medved? The YMCA guy?
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Nothing like being labeled a parasite by a religious leader who funds his activities and draws his salaries from his flock and doesn't even pay business taxes, either. Not to mention that the contributions are tax-deductible, taking money due to the government to support religion.
As for morality, puhleeeeeze. Where do we start in telling the tale of religious immorality in America and the world at large?
Not only does this ""man of God"" sling shit, he dresses poorly.
Why is it that it seems like every statement of outrageous, naked bigotry is always prefaced with "Well, you know, some of my best friends are ***fill in name of group about to be targeted here*** but..." ? Is anybody actually fooled by that prefacing lie?
Makes you wonder if their friends are deaf and blind, or if they know that the person who happily shares their beer (you know the rabbi isn't buying) talks about them when they aren't around.
O_O
Oh noes, the rabbi's on to our plan! Now how are we gonna suck the blood out of this country? Giant leeches??
Can't ya just see the love dripping off their fangs? Gotta love Fox.
Why does this man look into a mirror and Israel..
The Jewish citizens of this country of under 3 percent have over 50 percent of our wealth.
Looks like this person should look at the welfare that Israel sucks off the tax payers in U.S. every years..
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http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_...
Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby...
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/policy...
U.S. Middle East Policy
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There are the Koch brothers, the ass-hat that funded the Clinton scandal muck-raking, and the Walton/Walmart owners. What part of them or any of the 50% wealth owners are Jewish?
Put up or STFU.
How much of our tax dollars did Goldman Sachs receive for OUR tax money the government give them.
And how much money has Goldman Sachs keep or lost gambling with our 401k retirement plans.
This man sounds like Beck's father or the Church were he has gone to..
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Which comes out of his mouth he has bad breathe. Because like Beck it is a bunch of BS>
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Like this is across the same lines as Pat Robertson , which takes for the poor to make him rich.
Look at the money Robertson has and look where it came from.
Robertson has people sending him their food , house payment , electric & etc money telling them they will receive 10 X more. He is also telling them that he is healing them over the television by holding their hands up to the tv while he blesses them.. Do this also count for his many reruns of the same programs. D... Robertson must be good.
We have the Catholic Church hiding their pedophile moving them from Parish to Parish so they would not be caught.
Yet they tell Catholics like Kerry if he voted for a bill allowing American women to have an abortion he could not receive communion.
Hypocrisy is a going policy of the right wing republicans.
They tell everyone else how to live their life and they do as they d... well please.
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And they talk about hate coming from the Muslin people...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tr_jjs2LKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH5OnkzI6fo&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'd like to have this pork sniffing fuck-wad call me a parasite to my face!
As would I. But hey, he obviously doesn't get it. If he lived in Nazi Germany he'd be called a parasite or cockroach, before they killed him.
"Like this is across the same lines as Pat Robertson"
Pat Robertson's Right-Wing Gold Mine... The little-known tale of the evangelist and the dictator...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
formal education or expertise on ANYTHING, lost numerous jobs while a shock jock because he was so offensive and over the top, charlatan extraordinaire is the GO TO guy for right wingers, along with Sister P, another know-nothing charismatic charlatan. Wow. How gullible can people be? Obvious answer-extremely.
I love Religion. It's so Fair and Balanced. Followed by those with loving hearts and a deep commitment for Peace. Calling someone a parasite is a heck of a good way to "enlighten," Yeah, I want to convert right now.
How about grasshopper?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Who is the parasites on society? I pay over 30 grand a year in taxes, how much does his religion pay in taxes?
A biseleh...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I am having trouble putting my finger on why it bothers me that Mr. Neiwert -- who should keep up the good work, by the way -- invokes the Nazi analogy here. Sure, the comparison is apt enough. But if Rabbi Lapin were a fundamentalist asshole rather than a Jewish one, the analogy would be just as apt but we would not cite the "irony" -- or whatever it is -- that makes us hold a rabbi to a different level of moral scrutiny. Surely we can attack Lapin's rhetoric on its own terms.
Howzabout we all agree that Jewish creeps are no worse or better than other creeps?
Regards,
Another parasite
Oy! Who know?
I'll be kind and suggest that the word 'Zionist' be referenced in a dictionary. 'Cause, honest to Godwin, the closest to fascist we have here is a Zionist rabbi comparing the untermensch (aka. liberals) to parasites.
in identifying what bothered me: One has to squint pretty hard to equate Zionism, which historically antedates it by decades, with Fascism. And Herzl, I suppose, is the same as Mussolini.
Judgments come easy to the ignorant.
US Fury Over Rabbi's Anti-Palestinian Sermon
The White House has criticised remarks by an Israeli rabbi who says Palestinians should be struck down with the plague and "perish". The comments by Ovadia Yosef come ahead of direct peace talks between Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week. http://www.newslook.com/videos/245943-us-fury...
I suggest you ALL watch the following DVDs & Videos:
'Imagine If All Atheists Left America':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbef07aQtB8
'Constantines Sword':
http://www.ConstantinesSword.com
'Theologians Under Hitler':
http://www.vitalvisuals.com/?q=node/19
'The God Who Wasn't There':
http://www.TheGodMovie.com/
For three of the catagories I will agree with Mr Neiwert. Those that are actually fiscially conservative, the feeble-minded, and the mis-lead.
The fiscailly conservative, from what I can tell, have been driven from the GOP. Re, the mis-lead, the saying 'Honey will atract more flies than vinager' comes to mind.
The third? Not much can be done about those. No sense in driving them away with insults.
The forth catagory is one that I would disagree with Mr. Neiwert. These people are those that would rather give up civilization than pay taxes. Except that they would protest if the benifies of civilization were used by the 'Other' (those having differently coloured skin) and if they were denied those same benifites while they do not pay any taxes.
Those people, I'd say are parasites.
Is this any surprise? The religious reich (ironic in this case) has always felt they can say anything, no matter how outrageous about anyone they don't lie. But free speech for others is "disrespectful" and "evil" so must be suppressed. every theist I have ever known has been a fool, a liar, or a hypocrite. Very often, they are all three at the same time.
If freedom means anything, it is the liberty to tell others what they do not want to hear.
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