The War on Zzzzzmas: Dobbs' schtick grows groaningly irrelevant
By David Neiwert Thursday Dec 04, 2008 6:45am
I have to wonder how CNN's Lou Dobbs manages to pull in any kind of ratings these days. It's become such a tired schtick: Dobbs huffs and puffs and shakes his head at some kind of bureaucratic stupidity or liberal craziness or some awful crime committed by illegal immigrants. After awhile it just looks fake, because ya know what? It is fake. Dobbs constantly manufactures fake outrage. That's his schtick.
Now it's "the War on Christmas." Guess Dobbs, along with Family Research Council's Tony Perkins, is content to slither along Bill O'Reilly's slime trail.
And sure enough, near the end of the exchange, Dobbs says:
Dobbs: I've got to say -- it's an outrage, it's an outrage.
... Somebody needs to do something about it, I've gotta tell you.
... People have just got to wake up to what's happening in this country.
I'm sure they don't want to hear this (and would pay no mind if they did), but someone should tell them that nobody cares. Really. OK, there's a platoon of elderly koolaid drinkers who do everything BillO and Dobbs get them outraged about, but they're becoming just like their heroes: Irrelevant.
The only people who might make these rants relevant are the psychologically unstable haters out there in wingnutopia who decide to "do something about it" by acting out violently. Though no doubt, Dobbs will somehow find a way to blame illegal immigrants or liberals for that too.
People care about the economy. They care about getting our soldiers home. They care about fixing all the things right-wing basket cases talked the country into screwing up the past eight years. They could give a rip about meaningless local disputes about holiday displays. Really.
Maybe sooner or later, when the air goes out of those ratings, they'll finally figure that out. But I doubt it.
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This ain't a fucking christian country!
Get over it!
Move on with your fuckin pathetic, meaningless lives.
Chrismas is business NOT religion.
"Alright goddammit" is the best, most ironic title of a comment I have seen in a while. Outstanding!!
These things...they just come out sometimes...it's a gift...it's a curse...
Dobbs always has to quantify his so called "Independence" before he goes on his right wing rants.
Dobbs is a phony neo-conservative bullshit artist.
And the sooner his bogus, misleading show goes off the air the better.
I've really come to loathe Christmas and I don't have any money to particpate.
I'm sick of the temporary, fake niceness that hangs over the holiday like a cloud of anal vapor.
Sick of the commercials tellin me to buy useless crap I don't need.
I do enjoy,however spending time with family and eating the good food, but all the other superficial bullshit can go bye bye.
I'm sick of the temporary, fake niceness that hangs over the holiday like a cloud of anal vapor...
Ho ho ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Amen to that. Xmas has been hijacked and beaten beyond recognition by retail. Looking for an "enemy" of Xmas? Look no further than WalMart, Target, BestBuy, the whole damn lot of them. I'm especially irritated at BestBuy's new slogan, "You, better." Yeah, your DVD selection is really going to transform my existence. Should be more like "You, broke." Just as asinine as WalMart's "Live Better." That one's certainly debatable.
I have neither the funds nor the inclination to buy obligatory presents in exchange for other obligatory presents. I want out. When I figure out how to do this without pissing off my relatives, I'll let you all know.
Maybe I'll start celebrating Festivus. I've got a lot of grievances to air.
I for one and ready for the "Feats of Strength"!!!
Yeah, just ask the majority of their employees, who barely make minimum wage and sometimes have to go on public assistance.
I highly recommend Robert Greenwald's documentary "Wal-Mart: The High Cost Of Low Price" if anyone hasn't seen it.
THIS.. is the worst thing about Christmas. The consumerism. I have no money either. I am a seasonal forest worker and make all my money in the summer. My parents will not give up presents. My idea is to take all the money we would normally spend on presents, go to some warm tropical island as a family, and just buy presents for the children. I think we would get more out of it if we just used the time to spend time together, since we only get to once a year anyway. I don't need any more stuff.
Since I've been screwed out of my sales commissions (long story), my Christmas ass is broke this year. And between the onslaught of holiday marketing juxtaposed with suicide inducing economic forecasts, what's a guy to do?
I got myself on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds just to make it through the end of this year without losing it.
When I saw Lou's face up there my first thought was "this guy is sooooooo phony." Then I started reading the post and David says the same thing. Dobbs has manufactured a job for himself and now is stuck. My question is how long it will take for his fake outrage to get so old and stale that he has to get a night job. This latest deal is about as low as he can go trolling for some concern outrage. Come on Lou, you can surely come up with something better than this and you should stop watching O'Shithead in you off hours.
You'll notice on this comic book cover from the 1940's they didn't say Merry Christmas either:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/bobmit...
I understand in England they say Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year. Would that get o'really's and dodd's panties inna bunch?
So Lou Dobbs is trying to be CNN's version of Bill Orally. CNN can't even copy Faux correctly. Pathetic.
People care about the economy. They care about getting our soldiers home. They care about fixing all the things right-wing basket cases talked the country into screwing up the past eight years. They could give a rip about meaningless local disputes about holiday displays. Really.
Yeah, obviously the dispute is an artificial distraction from the really significant problems we face as a society. culture, and nation.
But there's not really anything anybody among the lumpen-proles can do ANYTHING AT ALL about. All those horrendous problems are far beyond the ability of "the people" to repair.
But they can complain loudly about "dissing Xmas." It makes 'em feel better, while also distracting 'em from the consequences of the real problems they face...
Since Bush drove some the biggest final nails into the economic coffin he can now claim he has prevailed in the war against Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny's commercial axis of evil!
Mission Accomplished!
I wonder if any of these people all in a lather about Christmas ever bought food for local food pantries or volunteered their time to help out a family in need or a community soup kitchen? Their energy would be much more useful if they did.
Yup. Way to celebrate Christmas and honor the Prince of Peace: file a bunch of lawsuits and spend the season condemning people for not saying 'Merry Christmas' or putting graven images on their front lawns.
Images of:
http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cznopO29g
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The real outrage Lou, is arrogant "journalists" like you compromising your profession with your phony "crises" because your Neocon party is devoid of any redemptive ideas or any methodology to contribute meaningfully to our political discussion. And why is it that you Neocons frame everything in paramilitary terms? Do you love war and conflict that much? Or is it your victim mentality paranoia---us and them? If so, there are meds that can help you there.
And if anyone or anybody needs to wake up to help our country it's YOU. So take your own advice, jackass, and remember if you don't have anything meaningful to add--shut your damn mouth. You are an utter failure as a leader and a disgrace to your profession.
you ask how dobbs can get any ratings at all in view of his tired shtik. you need to look to further than his kool-aid drinking audience. He plays to them. I had a wokman over the other day and i purposely engaged him in a political talk. He felt he was more than fair and he got all of his news from rush and lou dobbs, he felt that was a good balance. that's what we are dealing with
Dobbs bashes both sides and his head explodes on the bailouts.
He does good work on w's disasters and has praised Obama's team.
This one was lame.
During the early years of Bush's criminal regime, Fat Lou's show was called "Lou Dobbs Moneyline" and he benefited by talking only economics, safely ignoring all of the miserable bullshit while Bush was popular. When the nation turned on Bush, Dobbs the opportunist, jumped on that wave to save his shitty show. Since then, Louie's been nothing but a media whore playing both sides for ratings.
Just in from the WSJ - Ford, GM and Chrysler are back in Congress to persuade lawmakers to save their troubled industry with $34 billion in emergency aid. Deal Journal live-blogs the hearing
Washington! Why did we vote for these Neanderthals?!
Transcript of negotiations
See? See how not saying 'Merry Christmas' allows big corporations to get handouts from Congress!
Someone's gotta do something, I tell ya ....
- That a professed Christian, a man who claims to speak with God, LIED and led this country into war against a nation that had nothing to do with those who attacked us on 9/11?
- That other professed Christians and patriots proudly support torture, even when Christ himself was tortured, humiliated by his captors, and ultimately murdered?
- That Christians like your buddy Tony Perkins have a very narrow definition of what constitutes a 'good' Christian? (I've been accused of being without honor, of being stupid, of being a liar, and How Dare I Quote Scripture!)
I am tired of the relentless Christian appropriation of this holy anniversary for their religious propaganda and traditions based on theft from other religions. Seems ironic that the Christian religion has a commandment about theft, yet is almost entirely based on theft.
Don't blame the Christians, blame the zeolots speaking for all Christians, without their permission.
christian doctrine. As it seems that it is never their fault...
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 07:36 — LazyCosmos
Actually the spelling is Mithros. It's called the Dies Natalis Solis Invictus. It's also around Saturnalia and Jul. Supposedly both Herakles and Krishna were born about that time of year too. It's a very common solar god motif, or should I say lightmotif (misspelling intentional).
But I think it is Mithras or Mitra that is behind the whole Dies Natalis Solis Invicti.
Besides, I read somewhere that the inspiration for the myth of Jesus comes from the Egyptian god Horus. It seems that a few millenia before them Christians, the peeps living along the Nile were already worshiping someone who was the only begotten son of their main god (Osiris) and whose birth was witnessed by shepherds around the winter solstice in a stable/cave. Jesus and Horus were conceived by a possibly virgin mother that had been annuciated by an angel, and both had a surrogate father named Joseph.
It gets even better, because Horus was "baptized" at age 30, both Orus and Jesus are descendants of royalty. Both of their "baptizers" were beheaded subsequently, both died with two thieves accompanying them, and both resurrected after 3 days. The fact that Horus does have a mountain sermon moment, and a well publicized "temptation" phase... sort of makes the main character in the Christian religion look like it is based on a straight plagiarization of an ancient Egyptian myth.
Heck, most of the Torah is equally plagiarized. Genesis for example, seems to be a combination of 3 different creation myths (Asyrian, Mesopotamian, and Babilonian). So most likely all judeo-christian traditions are lifted from other cultures.
I am sure most hardcore fundie Christians would blow a fuse if you were to tell them they are basically worshiping the birth of an Egyptian deity (and Egyptians look like them dark skinned terrirists) using pagan fertility symbols developed by barbarian tribes.
That was one kick ass post! I now have a huge Holiday reading list of Egyptian days of yore.
Thank you for all of that very interesting information!
to the scores of far more bright people who taught me through the years, either through direct interaction or via their written word :-)
Alas, as an atheist... religion and myth has always fascinated me. Since it is such a constant in human history, and such integral part of the human condition.
The sad part is that most of these myths may have actually originated in the same fashion: some ancient dude either eats something funky or has a pre-existing mental condition... comes up with some fantastic tale after tripping. And voila, here we are thousands of years later, killing each other and genuflecting in the most ridiculous ways in order to please and comply with someone's peyote fueled byproduct.
Humans, we are funny that way...
Mescalin from mushrooms were commonly used, as were also cannabis (found in the remains of Eurasian shaman bonfire sites. Early religion priests included homosexuals and epileptics, anyone outside of the "norm." Into the Middle Ages, when someone collapsed of a grand mal, it was said they're souls temporarily escaped through their mouths as butterflies. People would wait around until they came to, and ask how the spirits of their ancestors fared, and for omens of the future which the dead were supposed to be knowledgable of. However, extreme privation can also induce hallucinations, especially going without water. The ascetic practice of fasting in the desert can cause this effect. And if ergot got into the grain, eating the bread made from it was like dropping LSD.
The baby Jesus on Mary's lap seemed to come from Isis and Horus. Many of the phrases like Good Shepherd and others came from Osiris. Egyptian priests did have a rite where they decorated poles or trees. Mithra was the basis for the Dies Natalis Solis Invictus, as well as the 7 Sacrements of the Catholic Church.
But since this thread is about Christmas I was hewing closer to the Roman than the Egyptian model. Of course the Jews were exposed to both. The Gospel story had it that Jesus's family escaped to Egypt so they could claim many of the pagan sacred sites as their own. Of course Osiris died, and was brought back to life by his wife Isis to rule in the Egyptian Netherworld, and conducts trials of souls that could result in punishment or bliss. But that's more like our Easter (Eostre a Saxon Goddess of Spring.)
One thing you could add is the Egyptian were the first to circumcize. Apparently there's a town in Egypt that was once named Yhw (pronounced Yahoo), that become both the basis for the tetragrammaton and the search engine.
One should also remember the Pharoh Akhenaten who was the first true monotheist. It's is now considered by scholars the Jews weren't a unique ethnicity but rather lower caste Egyptians, Arabs, and people from the surrounding kingdoms, as well as escaped slaves. So it's not a stretch to think that some of these people came from the court of Akhenaten after he died, and they could face persecutions from all the Egyptian schools of priests.
Although no scholar is sure, they think Akhenaten may have been King Tutankamen's father. Perhaps he was illegitimate.
And then another strand was introduced by Saul/Paul of Tarses. Tarses was a cult center for Herakles/Hercules. Some scholars have traced Hercules origins to the Egyptian God Harakhte (Horus of the Horizon), often called Ra-Harakhkte.
The gadfly in all this is most of the Egyptian names we know are actually Greek versions of the Egyptian original. The Greeks, like the Romans, and the Christians, named gods that seemed similar to their own similarly. This would reach a peak with the Christians Golden Legends, where many if not most saints listed as living before the 9th century were euhemerizations, often so they could claim the original Pagan site as their own. This was later scrambled by 18th and 19th century scholars who translated Egyptian hieroglyphics with the aid of the Rosetta Stone which showed similar passages in hieroglyphs, Demotic and Coptic writing.
seems outrageous on its face.
nevermind. he did say it. what an idiot.
He said he didn't want to smell the terrorists...He was talking about across the aisle
... as the War on Terrorism.
Pundit/politician names problem, proposes solution, promises dire consequences if solution is not enacted.
- If nothing happens, issue more dire warnings. Conflate even the slightest issue as being the beginning of the end.
- If crisis actually takes place, insist you were right, chow down on jumbo-sized plate of I-told-you-so's. (If evangelical, climb aboard the Rapture Bus and get whisked away to Jesusville.)
N/T
Actually Peace is the concept.
It's the brief time between wars for reloading.
Yes, if you don't celebrate Christmas in all it's capitalistic glory that means you hate Christmas and want it abolished. (I do hate Christmas but I don't care if other people like it.)
If you support gay marriage that means you hate heterosexual marriage and are trying to destroy it.
If you need/want an abortion that means you want everybody to kill their unborn babies.
If you don't support the war in Iraq you are a traitor who doesn't support the troops.
It all makes perfect sense.
...The pundits were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-plugs danced in their heads...
Lou Dobbs lost me completely when he jumped full tilt on to the "ACORN" controversy claiming for all the hear that it was an attempt to steal the election. Off topic but the other day I watched the movie Fred Claus and it was just OK, nothing special, but there was a great seen were Fred (the brother of Santa) goes to a "siblings support group" and there in the group were Frank Stallone, Roger Clinton, and Steven Baldwin.
He's just a media whore...period.
Somebody should do a video montage of Dobbs declaring his outrage, since he does it all the time. "This is outrageous!..... What an outrage!!... When will people wake up to the outrageousness going on in this country?... Where is the outrage is what I want to know!.. outrageous!... outrage.. outrageous.... outrageousness..."
We haven't bothered with the whole xmas thing the last few years because well... we're atheists and don't really care.
It is nice to visit with friends and family and see all the pretty colored lights but there hasn't been any religion in our xmas for a very long time.
Someone should remind 'outrage boy' that xmas is a one day event celebrated by a tiny minority of the population and the giant sinkhole that is the economy will still be looming over us when the moment has passed.
I've been thinking lately that many of these pundits were inspired by "Network" to fashion a never-ending gravy train for themselves. They perform their outrage to rile up an audience for little practical activation. It never delivers solutions, especially since that would end the cycle. But it does deliver the eyeballs of those who want another fix of moral superiority, another petting for their subcultural identity.
This particular pearl-clutching act is especially sad since it is likely to backfire. As fewer people in the U.S. adhere to Christianity, it would be a mistake to try to make Christmas a wholly-owned subsidiary of that particular church. Christmas has been, since its invention 150 years ago, a mostly secular (and otherwise pagan) holiday. It could possibly grow into an even-more universal winter feast celebration if not weighted down by heavy plaster Nativity statues and bigoted rhetoric. Most of the Christians I know don't attend midnight Mass, so it isn't even a religious event for them.
It's time that the Holiday Patrol figured out that they are the ones who are stomping all over this Victorian invention.
http://www.skepticality.com/sn_Ep26.html
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"I want you to get mad!
"I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.
"All I know is that first, you've got to get mad."
And second, YOU HAVE TO TUNE IN NEXT TIME FOR MORE. In the meantime...
"I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell..."
MERRY CHRISTMAS, GOD-DAMMIT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guLKl3v7XFI
be careful everybody. knock the war on xmas and make satan smile. discount the frontal assault on our yule rights and you are giving the atheists, agnostics and other pagans a greenlight to challenge the opening line in the US constitution (which is, in case you forgot: "This is a christian nation, bitches").
i will follow dobbs and o'reilly into the breach on this one. and i, for one, can't think of a better way to honor jesus h. christ than by taking up arms. well, maybe feeding the poor. but, other than feeding the poor, loving thy neighbor, spreading goodwill to man and the other easily forgettable aspects, what christmas is ALL about is getting your hate on, inciting fear, and sowing division.
now, pass the peanut brittle, it makes good shrapnel.
merry killmas
My gosh! All I had to do was look it up on Conservapedia, and there it is!
We, the White Christian People, in order to form a perfected Christian nation, establish justice - except for gays, atheists pagans, secularists, and liberals - and assure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our inbred posterity ('cause those gays, pagans, atheists, secularists, and liberals don't deserve it) do hereby establish and ordain this Constitution of the White Christian States of America.
Yeah, right.
He is the only brave American who is standing up against the real enemy of our country, the ones no one dares talk about: The legion of illegal atheist native-Americans who migrated via the Bering straight thousands of years ago in order to beat the immigration laws and corrupt Christian beliefs.
Putin's head.
The former KGB colonel will surely tremble in his boots, when having to face the might of Dobb's enlarged head... which he used in his spare time as a wrecking ball to terrorize and bring the demise of condemned structures all across our glorious land!
Lou Dobbs has gone to that place to join Bill Orally. They are both looney tunes. Give me a break Lou. We have problems in this world and you haven't identified one yet.
Has anyone ever counted how many times Dobbs has said "this is an outrage". What is an outrage is how pundits like Dobbs screams wolf to claims of pseudo-attacks on his made-up-main-street-right-wing-populist-America. Separation of church and state is a perfect example. Every time there is any attempt for secularists to rightly defend themselves in the public square, the shepherds come crawling out of the woodwork to cry PC lefty's are destroying our heritage. It's an attempt to round up the herds to make them madder to 1) vote against their own interests and 2) sell more books.
Dobbs belongs to the Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Medved, Libby, Beck class of right wing pundit elites who false claim we live in a center-right, white-male, Christian nation. These guys have never been threatened more than right now, so expect a full scale assault on the "liberal elite".
Don't'cha mean liberal effete?
Or better yet, we can be the liberal elites, and opposition would be the conservative effete.
His face is so South Florida retirement. Clueless bitter old fart with lots of time on his hands. I see him in polyester on the golf links, complaining about all the people who can't speak English. The same people who are cleaning his house and shining his shoes.
I remember when Lou worked in the Seattle market and then moved on the CNN. Later he took the reigns of SPACE.COM, seemed like an interesting career move.
Now that he is back he seems like a bitter old guy who can't quite grasp the realities of our world.
I guess he's just a 'white bread' guy living in an upscale NY bakery complaining about the Russian rye
(I make a killer Russian rye)
And I have little if any recollection of Dobbs being here. He must have worked for the Mormons at KIRO -- the Blood 'n Gutz news.
Very unmemorable.
KIRO News -- 11 minutes of blood and guts at 11!
Somebody please tell me WTF a "Christmas Cross" is? Isn't that the Easter Cross or the Good Friday Cross? Our national religious heritage; the wholesale slaughter of the indigenous American population. Get's me all preachy, cross-y and teary eyed every time! Thank Dawg for Lou and Tony, huh?!
How the hell is there a war on Christmas?
Did insurgents launch a mortar barrage at Santa's grotto?
Did Iran invade the North Pole?
And they pulled a lubricated Trojan over it.
A new timeless classic Christmas song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0JRZtu7jQo
THIS site is where I'm buying all my xmas cards by golly!
enjoy, and spread the love.
http://www.cafepress.com/wrapintheflag
Please spare me from right-wing commentators and their constant fake outrage. I've said it before and I'll say it again - for the party of macho bluster, they sure bitch and moan a lot.
There was a time long ago and seems far away now that Lou Dobbs was an acceptable Republican. He actually seemed to care about the middle class and unfair trade practices and incompetent government. I watched him quite a bit. He even read one of my comments on air and sent me a copy of one of his books. Then somewhere along the way he got mired down in illegal immigration and then finally,he lost me for good. I am not of Mexican decent and live in Texas, but I know illegal immigrants are Not the source of our problems. Lou has become pathetic about this issue.
Wrong spot
First of all, yes, Pontchatoula is a sleepy little town in one of the most conservative pockets of South Louisiana. But Perkins is a liar, and anti-Catholic. South Louisiana is the most liberal section of Louisiana, but Perkins would like for it to be as right-wing racist as North Louisiana. He is from Baker, a racist fundamentalist Christian suburb in East Baton Rouge Parish. Things remain mostly right-wing, white flight from Baton Rouge and New Orleans on the way to Pontchatoula and beyond, the Northshore of New Orleans.
Before Tony Perkins was a Louisiana legislator and reinvented himself as the director of the ultra-right-wing group in Washington, he was an administrator of the State Department's counter-terrorism program at the Louisiana State Police headquarters, where foreign nationals, mostly police, were trained in terrorist, er counter-terrorism, tactics. The whole time Perkins was at war with a veteran state policeman, a very good man, who was the administrator of the courses and tried all sorts of dirty tricks to get him fired. Every day Perkins was faxing smears of Billy and the instructors to Washington. A banquet was held at the end of each session. I attended a number of the banquets because, in keeping with my dangerous curiosity, I was dating one of the instructors. At each banquet, Perkins saw that a bible was placed at each table setting. Many of the students were Catholic, and therefore not all that intersted in bibles other than a place to keep important documents like birth certificates. When a Peruvian was there, I managed to speak with some of them about their unhappiness with how Perkins treated them. One of them had a relative who was a student at LSU, but Perkins didn't allow him to visit him. They were, in fact, held prisoner there at state police headquarters and could only go where Perkins allowed them to, under escort. On Sundays they wanted to go to mass, but Perkins wouldn't allow them to. Instead, he packed them onto buses and took them to his fundamentalist Christian church in Baker. They were deeply offended.
Perkins is lying about Louisiana Catholicism being conservative. There are Catholic conservatives, but far more liberal Catholics, which Perkins hates, because, since South Louisiana is largely Catholic, it has been the voting block that has put Democrats in office and prevents dry parishes. Catholics like to drink, and Perkins can't stand that either. Perkins is anti-Catholic.
He's also just plain mean. I once watched him at Coffee Call in Baton Rouge brow beat his son of about eight years old that crossed the line into mental cruelty. His wife, a meak little brunette sat in as much fear of him as the children.
If "Christian" fanatics like Tony Perkins had their way, we would have crosses everywhere, and everyone would be forced to go to their churches, and a picture of a blue-eyed Jesus and the ten commandments would be in every courtroom. Christian nationalists are dangerous to this nation. Thank goodness we have ACLU who will take them on. The ACLU usually takes on places like Pontchatoula, and recently a town in St. Bernard Parish, because citizens feel oppressed by government-sponsored Christian symbolism, and Christian fundamentalists' insisting that our society wasn't intended to be secular. Lou Dobbs is shameless for having Tony Perkins on as a guest. Christmas was but a pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice before Christians appropriated it. How about that for the "true meaning" of Christmas?
... since the 'popularized' version of Jesus is the fair-skinned, blue-eyed portrayal, and almost exactly the opposite of what is likely to be historical truth (i.e., he looks like he's from the Middle East, same as most of the apostles) ...
... could it be said that the commercialized Christ is, in fact, the anti-Christ, and that the evangelicals, ever seeking to get everyone onboard the White Christian nonsense wagon, are fulfilling their own scriptures, because when they do, cometh Armageddon.
I'm pretty sure if somebody were to hose Lou Dobbs down with Preparation H, he'd shrink down to something that looks like Tony Perkins. (Big Assholes, Little Assholes....)
But who carries around THAT much Preparation H?
In case anyone's interested in Horus/Jesus
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
Good grief, how insane. The religious are absolutely bonkers and should be disqualified from holding public office.
Sounds like you wanna crucify:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/565000/images/_...
I am a fairly left leaning individual, and I agree with separation of church and state. I also believe in religious freedom and in the celebration of our history, Christian and otherwise. I don't see the harm in some religious display as long as that's what the locals want. If they want to add some other symbols from different religions or ideologies, so be it. As long as it doesn't affect policy. Perhaps I am just not as passoinate about this, but I think it's important not to alienate ourselves from people of faith. They are most of the best people I know.
Just yesterday was a thread about billo going ballistic over a Christmas display that was TOO inclusive. Now Lou Dobbs follows his line of argument citing outrages against the holidays, without any real sort of specificity. That's why the thread is about selective outrage; outrage over a controversy that only exists in their own mind versus ending the war, bringing home troops, giving them the treatments they need for shattered bodies and minds, seeing that they and civilians can land a decent job at a decent wage.
Additionally you have people like tony perkins and sarah palin claiming this is a Christian country, and she is a member of the Dominionist Church of Wasilla whose pastor is a member of Joel's Army, and essentially want to make America a theocratic state.
There shouldn't be any compromises in the separation of church and state. If people feel alienated by Americans protecting government and public institutions from being taken over by Christian nationalist ideology, then let them feel alienated. They always have been. They won't be happy unless the U.S. is a theocracy. That's how extreme their views are. It's a matter of upholding the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and laws. Unfortaunately, a lot of these people are home-schooling their children, and teaching them to be Christian nationalists from an early age. If it's a theocracy they want, they should go start their own country somewhere else. Keep religious displays on church and private property, and everyone should be happy.
I got "into it" with this guy on YouTube about Bush. In the end, I told him that was what I believe. He accused me of being insane. I sent back, "Some people believe in a 'sky god' and I don't call them insane." He never wrote back again.
bye bye Loobber
Here's what the Lou Dobbs/Tony Perkins clip is ACTUALLY about, God forbid we actually know!
Once again, the ACLU is stepping on free speech because it happens to, gasp!, mentions Christianity!
http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/wwl11...
PONCHATOULA, La. -- The huge cross near Ponchatoula's downtown locomotive won't be covered with blazing white bulbs for this year's Christmas Lights Festival. Instead, a second bar has been added to display banners advertising citywide events.
The cross was highly noticeable last year. But the American Civil Liberties Union said it would sue if the cross was lit up again for the festival that opens Friday.
Mayor Bob Zabbia said city officials don't agree with the ACLU but realized that they probably would not win, and lawsuits are costly.
And, said Zabbia, "The law is the law. It doesn't make sense to fight something you're not going to win."
Where were these brave Christmas warriors during the actual Vietnam War? They are all of an age when they could have served their country during a real war. And hell, the younger ones could have served in the Gulf War. Or they could have just served as military personnel in between wars.
I don't know where these lunatics get off idolizing some pagan holiday espousing conspicuous consumption and inane traditions. There is NO celebration of Christmas ever mentioned or practiced in the Scriptures. So why the hell would any Christian care if Christmas is warred upon? It has nothing to do with the gospel message of Loving God and loving your neighbor. Jesus did not die so Walmart could make more money.
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