'Why are you scared of the facts?' Bill O'Reilly finally meets his match in Ellis Henican
Newsday columnist Ellis Henican took on Bill O'Reilly last night to talk about President Obama's decision to leave the door open for prosecutions of Bush administration officials for creating its now-defunct torture regime.
And frankly, he did as well I've ever seen anyone do in the canned, no-win setup that is The O'Reilly Factor. He went toe-to-toe with O'Reilly on the factual points -- and in fact started scoring so well that O'Reilly was reduced to blurting out increasingly outrageous pronouncements.
First, it's clear that O'Reilly was only familiar with the GOP Talking Points[tm] version of the letter written by National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair in which he talks about "high value information" obtained through these techniques. But here's the actual letter.
As you can see from reading it, unlike the edited-down version O'Reilly and the GOPTP offer, Blair makes clear that he probably would have opposed the use of torture and clearly disapproves of it now:
Those methods, read on a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009, appear graphic and disturbing. As the President has made clear, and as both CIA Director Panetta and I have stated, we will not use those techniques in the future. I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past, but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.
Moreover, Blair further clarified himself the next day in the New York Times, explaining exactly why he would not have approved it:
"The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means," Admiral Blair said in a written statement issued last night. "The bottom line is these techniques have hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."
O'Reilly clearly was unaware of this, so when Henican tosses it in his lap, he's at first confused, continuing to think that Blair and Henican have opposing views when they don't. It's kind of an amusing instance of O'Reilly so enrapt with his own narrative he doesn't recognize when it's been knocked out from under him.
Indeed, Henican essentially repeats Blair's words, and O'Reilly resorts to claiming that's "not exactly" what he said.
From then on, O'Reilly is reduced to barking increasingly strident charges at Henican:
O'Reilly: This was done to protect your life, you live in New York City. You -- this was done to protect your life, and it worked! That's No. 1.
Henican: We don't know whether it worked.
O'Reilly: Yeah, we know it worked, you're still alive! And the attack on Los Angeles was aborted.
[Crosstalk]
O'Reilly: Wait, wait, wait. We can establish facts. And the facts are, this worked.
Henican: Well, you say that.
O'Reilly: They did it to protect us.
Henican: You assert that. Well, let me assert a couple of things.
O'Reilly: That's the overwhelming evidence.
Henican: Well, that's what you're focused on. Let me focus on some other facts. One is that these kinds of things cause huge problems for us afterward.
O'Reilly: Oh, now we're in Theory World. Here we go!
Henican: You cannot face torture -- I know you like avoid that word, you prefer the euphemisms, but let's call it what it is --
O'Reilly: No, it isn't! That's your opinion!*
Henican: And you think waterboarding is lovely.
O'Reilly: I think it's harsh interrogation.
Henican: When they do it do our guys it's not so lovely, is it?
O'Reilly: Oh, stop it. They behead our guys! That's ridiculous! All right, wait a minute. Now let me get into another -- I want to stay in facts. Today, today, the two organizations that came out to encourage Obama to put the show trial on, are George Soros and MoveOn!
Henican: I don't need to respond to MoveOn.
O'Reilly: No, you're on the side of Soros and MoveOn!
Henican: I'm on the side of doing something very simple here. Let's have an investigation -- let it be --
O'Reilly: Headed by who?!
Henican: Let the Justice Department decide if a crime has been committed here --
O'Reilly: Oh, Holder? You want Holder in charge of that?
Henican: Let the facts be gathered here. And let the facts be -- Why are you scared of the facts? Why won't you let the facts be gathered here, and take us where they lead?
O'Reilly: You know who Eric Holder is?
Henican: He's the Attorney General of the United States. And the professionals in that office are going to make this decision, and not Eric Holder.
O'Reilly: OK, you listen to me. You listen to me. Eric Holder was second in command to Janet Reno. Eric Holder and Janet Reno put the wall up between the FBI and the CIA, which led to the 9/11 attack!* If anybody should be prosecuted, it's him!
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... Holder is not qualified to do this. And, and, here's the deal: If Obama does this, it is the end of the Obama Presidency. No, it's the end! It's the end! And if he gets hit, if we get hit after he does this, it's over!
O'Reilly and the conservatives are trying their damnedest to sell everyone the notion that the end justifies the means.
It's not working very well.
*Note: O'Reilly keeps yammering about facts, but he can't get any of them straight here. For instance: The "wall" O'Reilly references as having the blame for the 9/11 attacks -- at least on Planet Wingnuttia -- had nothing to do with a barrier between the CIA and the FBI (Janet Reno erected no such wall). The wall frequently blamed by the Right (including O'Reilly) for causing 9/11 was known as "Gorelick Wall," which was based on a memo written by then-Deputy AG Jamie Gorelick (who is not Eric Holder). Moreover, "as the 1995 guidelines clearly state, the Gorelick memo and the guidelines applied only to intelligence sharing 'between the FBI and the Criminal Division' within the Justice Department" -- and thus blaming it for the internal-intelligence failures that helped lead to 9/11 is a transcontinental leap at best.
Anyway, the answer to Henican's question should be obvious: Bill O'Reilly is scared of the facts because he has been estranged from them for so long.
It seemed as if O'really was about to lose it at the end, it would have been a classic moment.
Alas, it is good to see people finally putting these bullies in their place. The best repellant for these cockroaches is shining a bright light of reason and facts... and then watch them squirm!
F**K O'Reilly, F**K Hannity, F**K Limbaugh, and F**K Beck
I BURY THOSE COCKROACHES
sorry I couldn't resist
How much longer do we have to wait until these
peoplecockroaches die off? Is there some non- violent way to exterminate them from civil society?Find out who their corporate sponsors are and start spreading the word about who actually pay money to keep these fucking morons on the air.
..and that means boycotting anything on FOX if you really want to hurt that organization as a whole.
Unfortunately, "The Simpsons" most likely (and regularly) picks up the tab for Bill O'Reilly's exwhorebitant salary.
Let's get serious about education in this country. Maybe everyone doesn't manage to get educated but enough will to know when the rest are full of crap.
that it has to be done on Their show, where THEY control the conversation by yelling and screaming over someone and if that doesn't work, cutting off their mike.
Bill O'Reilley wants to debate someone who clearly knows more about a subject than he does? Fine. Set him down in a formal debate arena and force his blithering ass to conform to the rules of formal discourse. He'd last about as long as a dog fart in a tornado.
THAT has about as much chance of happening as that other flipping ego with a mouth bigger than his whole damned head, Sean Hannity, undergoing waterboarding "for charity".
Blowhards... we lend them undue credibility by even discussing some of their more disgusting performances.
Oreilly....
He liked Gonzalez but not Holder!!
Lets waterboard Oreilly..see how he likes it!!
Clip of Hitchens getting waterboarded!!!
Hitchens lasts all of 13 seconds before experiencing "overwhelming stress".
Fuck Oreilly!
Hitchens lasts all of 13 seconds before experiencing "overwhelming stress".
If it was whiskey they were pouring down his neck it would have been 13 minutes.
But you could always stroke his taint to calm him down too.
Terrible, horrible interview. Agree with me or I'll stroke out on you. "Torture saved your life!" Fuck you O'Reilly.
..clearly pointed out that the capture and torture of
Zubidah(?) was after the Library Tower plot was discovered so that debunks that myth.Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Billo has clearly fashioned his interview style after Morton Downey jr:
Billo NEVER listens, he interupts, lectures, talks over, lies to , shouts down and insults the person being interviewed.
Journalism classes should cite any Billo interview as examples on how NOT to conduct professional interviews.
Notice how they gradually kept reducing the volume on the guest's microphone?
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Kind of reminds me of Lisa Simpson trying to explain to Homer what specious reasoning means.
Of course it's all post hoc ergo propter hoc.
By billo's standards Clinton did a GREAT job protecting the US, because the first attack on the World Trade Towers was essentially a fizzle, three thousand people (not counting wars) didn't die, and Timothy McVeigh was a right-winger.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
He'd have to say the Carter administration was a huge success because no skyscrapers were attacked on his watch.
o'Really you can't handle the truth.
the truth.
"The worst things that ever happened to me ... never happened."
Because they were all fears running rampant in my imagination.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once."
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
O'R is afraid of just about everything, and his bullying behavior reflects it. To him the epitome of courage is torturing a helpless captive.
Cowardice to O'R is treating a POW as a Human Being, entitled to the same rights as any person should be, innocent till proven (by facts) guilty.
Right wing Republicans are cowards- everything frightens them...
They fear the world....
They fear anyone who is different, anyone with dark skin, anyone who rejects Jesus. Many of these righties can only use violence and/or hostility to express themselves- and it has been proven time and again-at the core of every bully is a COWARD.
...and being menacingly intimidating throughout the interview, had the gall to order Henican to calm down. Lol.
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but he did get one thing right.
Republicans are great at appealing to peoples' fears. If, God forbid, there is another major terrorist attack on the US on Obama's watch, I think it might indeed be the end of the Obama presidency. The Republicans will say stuff like "This wouldn't have happened if we had continued to torture! Obama left us open to attack!"
I'm afraid that would be the end of his presidency and the beginning of a new Republican takeover.
... that our national security strategy has to include response, not just pre-emption and 'catch the magic phone call.'
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Whoa! That was what really stopped BillO cold. The fact is, the nuns did (and the few that are left in classrooms, still do) stress that the end does NOT justify the means. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That means no torture, no waterboarding, NO MATTER WHAT. Thank goodness Ellis Henican knows very well BillO's Catholic background. Catholicism opposes abortion, the death penalty AND torture. Good on ya, Ellis.
I've always wondered why people like Olberman or Rachel never have on Ellis Henican as a guest. Here's such a big irony. My little brother was in Ellis's class at Holy Name of Jesus School in N.O -- where we were taught by nuns... and also in his class at Jesuit High School taught by priests. I knew Ellis back then, and it is remarkably surprising -- but then again NOT so -- that he is the diametric opposite of my brother in N.O. ... Further, in Ellis's family, there have been several priests. Now whether he is religious or not these days I have no idea.
I have a few points: My whole fam is Republican except for me -- that's a whole story in itself that I have told in posts over the years from the pre-blog post-dotcom days of Fucked Company, to the pre-blog days of Gilly's forum at netslaves, to Dean's Blog For America, to DailyKos, and even here.
The relevance is that I know these people through and through. My fam all watch O'Reilly and listen to Rush... They're very well educated, but brainwashed, and racist, and anti-semitic. Now, Ellis "got away" from that environment and eventually found his way to NYC. My little bro, for the past 10 years has emulated O'Reilly's tone of voice and physical countenance 100%, and it's only gotten worse over the years. (I confronted him on this at Thanksgiving this year in N.O. when he busted up a decent conversation about movies to do an anti-Hollwood schpiel (sp) -- and he was drunk, and he was loud. But there's one thing I learned over the past 10 years. Howard Dean emulated this, but so did Al Franken -- LONG LONG before other Democratic liberals had the balls to confront lying liar Republicans. Remember the Dascheles and gephardts of the world cowered the first moment Ari Fleisher admonished them and then they'd apologize.
But the first crack in Bill O'Reilly began at that L.A. Book Fair event with Molly Ivins and Al Franken. This was also long before Air America began, and the very first time ever that Al Franken stepped out of sardonic mode and actually got angry and spoke as a real person challenging O'Reilly to STFU about Social Security -- and he went on to tell the story of how it enabled his Mom and his family to get thru some hard times.
The Lesson -- echoed so often by Howard Dean -- is never EVER back down to a bully, but rather, meet them head on, take them on, it shocks them, it discombobulates them, the are so used to railroading people with intimidation that when someone stands tall and hits them back on everything they say, they actually get a little scared.
This happened in N.O. this past Thanksgiving when I told my birther to stop screaming, and stop pointing angrily like Bill O'Reilly. He was getting apoplectic, throwing out all sorts of reliable anti-liberal stuff and I evaded them all by countering with facts he wouldn't engage. At one point while he was yelling and messing up the whole occasion for everyone else I told him as firmly as can be, you ought to stop watching O'Reilly and imitating him because HE's mentally ill with an anger problem, and you sound mentally ill too.
He was shaking he was so mad but at same time dumbfounded that his liberal brother was ramming his down. He started to make a move and I stepped closer to him "You want to hit me? Let me see you do it."
He was quaking in his boots as I told him to calm down and stop yelling, that nobody had said anything worthy of making him mad. He'd LOST in front of everyone, all the conservatives gathered at this family event. His wife finally led him out the room, embarrassed to tears.
I say all this because the complex irony of all this is that my bro likes to point to these occasional appearances by Ellis on OReilly's show (and Ellis has stood up to Bill before, multiple time, just not this forcefully) and admiringly point to how O'Reilly will have on some liberals and get into it with them -- but liberals will never have on consrevatives. (a point that is impossible to discuss because how would he ever know since all he does is watch Fox News, it's on at the Country Club, at the Men's Club downtown in the business district, on at home, on at my parents home, and in his car it's always Rush.
I have no idea when was the last time my bro actually saw Ellis, or spoke to him. The other interesting thing is that back in high school, ellis was kind of nerdy with big black glasses and pimply skin. When 20 years later I would see him on Fox News, he's nothing at all like he was back them. He's a superb, articulate, poised fighter, and yes, he knows how to push the correct buttons.
So, this was just a riff response to the whole notion of Ellis, Catholicism, and Bill O'Reilly.
MOre people neeed to stand up to blowhards and take them down publicly.
The wrong approach is that "take the high road" thing. Wrong. You end up doing that the rest of your life. At some point it;s time to stand up to them and take em on. That;'s what Howard Dean did, that's what grabbed me and made me volunteer for him for 2 years, and that's why for me Obama is a prpfessional politician who is skilled at his craft, but he's not a leader like Howard is.
Leaders sometimes need to get tough.
and lastly, those nuns at Holy Name were tough. If you didn;t contribute to the Missions, they slapped your hand with a yardstick, and it hurt.
here;s another video where ellis bests billo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOl7CRTnZVo
RH, your family sounds much like mine - at least as regards my brothers. All of us did parochial school (Dominican nuns), and all of my older bros are, to one degree or another, under the spell of AM radio - not all are Rush O'Hanitwit listeners, but that's where they are to some degree. The oldest is the worst - big on the falafel king (BillO)and brave (even nasty) in e-mails but not in any other setting. The saddest thing is that all 3 worked very hard for RFK's campaign in '68 - not exactly the kind of values venerated by Faux News and the endless list of radio wannabes.
And,as for the video itself, so saying "we're still alive"is evidence that "enhanced interrogation techniques (torture for people on this planet)" work, but that using waterboarding has caused our country long term perception problems is a matter of opinion? The logic of that comparison escapes me.
jumps back and forth between established narratives without communicating information. These guys are good! These guys are bad! You are wrong! I am right!
......it was Eric Holder and Janet Reno building a wall between the FBI and the CIA that caused 9/11? OMFG Bill, that's a stretch even for you! I thought it was Saddam and Al Qaeda? I'm pretty sure it was the intelligence community that put together that famous PDB titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"
WOW Eric Holder caused 9/11.......you have lost it Bill.
life is actually pretty nice. Or at least appears to be.
It really IS bliss.
No offense intended..:)
Let's all board a spacehip bound for Blisstonia.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
We cut right into that malignant tumor and yanked that baby out. Gee, how come you're looking so under the weather lately?
that the facts that Billo wants to acknowledge are only those inside his pea-sized brain. Anything else is crap. And oh my, I didn't realize that the only people asking for the truth is the old Move On and George Soros boogiemen. Billo, you sound and look like a doddering old man that can only shout out a handful of statements.
feed them.
... we need chemotherapy, radiation, radical surgery to remove the infected parts before it metastasizes and spreads beyond hope of recovery.
when someone can't take it anymore and bursts out laughing in BillO's face. I don't see how so many have resisted for so long.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
and so will I before that happens.
I think someone laughing in Falafel boys face is just around the corner.
I really doubt we'll be returning to anything resembling sanity in this country for a long time.
IF we can get through this mess intact, I think we'll bounce back real quick.
of a collective who is heading towards irrelevance...
I am trying real hard to see the silver lining here.
Don't coffins come with silver linings?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
mine's gonna be lined with camo.
And it's gonna have a mini fridge for my PBR's too.
The more irrelevant they become..the more shrill they get.
I appreciate Henican's spirit here, but he's missing the HUGE point:
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF TORTURE WORKS.
The right-wingers are trying to frame the debate in terms of how effective torture is. The real debate has nothing to do with that.
The debate is NOT whether or not we are safer.
There really shouldn't even be a debate as to whether we should use these techniques in interrogation.
Torture is against the law. It contravenes a treaty we signed, along with other nations, to specifically prohibit such acts. As with any departure from what is right, it should be a matter of concern to conscience and rational thought.
"I see ... a great hand, reaching out of the stars ... and millions of voices calling your name," the stranger said.
"My followers?" Ambassador Mollari asked.
"No," the Technomage replied. "Your victims."
Bottom line is that torture is inhumane.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Torture is a VERY slippery slope- If the right tries to justify the military using torture, they will no doubt want the police to torture Americans- particulary if the people being tortured are people of color...
I know many of these Minutemen want to see Latinos tortured...
Just like the patriot act is being used against ordinary americans. We are one news cycle away from the type of collective paranoia that will justify this. You are absolutely right and it is a certainty they will use it against us.
Right wingers are very confusing-they want fascist tactics like government sanctioned torture- yet claim Pres Obama is a dictator- i guess they want fascism-provided their dictator is a Republican
Ya, How can you run a fascist banana republic without torture? Without torture people might discent, and speak the truth.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Once again, Billo brushes aside the reality that if the US engages in torture abroad, it INVITES the enemy to torture our guys if captured. Why does he brush this aside- does he not care????
Could it be because the most bloodthirsty chickenhawks like Billo have never actually served in the military, and really couldn't care less about the troops?
All these people do is talk about great it is, it works, etc. What will be the response when it happens to US troops? It's ok?
Even American tourists abroad are put at risk if the US has no problem with torturing it's enemies. Don't be shocked if this results in US tourists abroad being kidnapped and tortured.
But Billo and his ilk are so blinded by American exceptionalism they can never see the big picture...
And think about this- if the military can torture the enemy abroad- wonn't that lead to the day when they might torture citizens within this country?
..or whether Americans get kidnapped and tortured. TORTURE is ILLEGAL!
If the guy who murdered your mother was standing on the street and you gunned him down, doesn't matter what he did to your mother or why he was on the street, you still killed a guy and will have to be punished. Whatever your defense is, you still committed a crime. Why is this such a difficult thing for Bloofah to understand? Oh yeah, Bloofah understanding something, that's the difficult concept.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Just as these nimrods couldn't anticipate sweeping (and illegal) surveillance being directed at them, they want to go 0-2 and argue that torture is okay as long as it's directed at the enemy.
When the shiny new toy doesn't do what one expected, it gets used in another, innovative way - often one it wasn't designed for and which makes a big mess. Any kid can tell you that.
No other nation in the world should be allowed to torture, EXCEPT America. Typical of many American's attitudes towards a lot of issues don't you think?
Slam dunk!!
Henican comes across as ten, no, twenty times as articulated as Rachel, Keith and most other progressive talking heads could ever be. Why dont guys like this get the good shows to balance off the likes of OReilly?
Anyways... the masks are falling. See how fast they fall.
he'd be great to have his own show on some network. Ellis is a sharp guy. He grew up in conservative New Orleans and knows it inside out. That's how he knows how to deal with the lunacy of it.
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Bill-doh O'Liely can say torture stopped the Easter Bunny from arriving on Christmas, but can he prove it?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
Yes. The easter bunny never came. That's his proof at this point.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Billo likes to boast how only America has freedom and liberty- yet he favors torture- Does he not realize when Americans boast about being the world's beacon of liberty, it in fact evokes laughter and eye rolls? It's like the wife beater boasting he's a great husband.
When Billo says it will be 'over' for Obama if there is a full investigation, I take that as a thinly veiled promice for asasination.
What else could it mean?
It means 'Liely will say anything to turn this into a partisan issue, but it's not.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Some intelligence guy had something to say about how inconvenient he thought it would be to investigate and if necessary prosecute people who authorized torture while at the service of the US government.
Someone needs to remind this intelligence guy (whatever his pay rate may be) that it is up to the JUDICIAL and LEGISLATIVE branches of the government to determine the legality of the procedure and to decide to go ahead with it at all, and then, it is up to the EXECUTIVE power to carry on that will by appointing an independent prosecutor.
Also, that there is not such thing as an 'intelligence' branch of the government. They work for the government, they are not it.
And someone please tell Cheney to go fuck himself. It'd be only appropiate.
My understanding is that there are 16 intelligence agencies.
The CIA and the NSA are both under the Executive Branch.
And if any others are Intelligence units for the military, that would place them under the Executive branch as well (Pentagon, Joint Chiefs of Staff under Secretary of Defense).
Combine the well-known lack of cooperations between the CIA, the FBI, the NSA all the other units, state troopers, sheriffs and cops have been going on since their founding, how could o'really blame it on something more recent?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
That was fuckin great.
... really I do, but I despise O'Reilly so much that I just can't do it. He's horribly painful to watch and listen to. I'd almost rather have a root canal.
Tell me that the smack-down by Henican is worth taking the time to expose myself yet again to that racist, sexist blowhard ...
I just worked up enough courage to watch it. The guy did pretty good and Bill's head almost exploded.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It's our culture.. the way we make love.. check the afterglow at the end..
I think it's probably very important that an independent prosecutor be apointed asap.
He;'s BillO's favorite boogeyman.
Like Hannity and Ayers/Wright, or the entirety of the right wing and ACORN.
loofa boy loves playing into the great jewish conspiracy
george soros doesnt want to rule the world
he just wants to keep making lots of money
funny how what richard mellon scaithe did never seemed to bother the perv
to reserve to himself the right to define torture.
Waterboarding is among the procedures defined as 'torture' by our laws and international laws to which we are a signatory.
Whether they produced results or not does not matter. TORTURE IS ILLEGAL! End of argument.
But then again after 183 times, better yet after about 50 times, it must have been obvious that they were not going to kill him, that it was just regular routine.
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It's pretty clear O'Reilly is paid to protect the GOP ... over the years that's been his job . follow the talking points and pound them home ... put people on with opposing points of view for the sole purpose of arguing the Republican talking points ... the GOP is nothing more than a front operation for the ruling elite who are responsible for the horrors of the last 8 years .... they want us to look away and be afraid of terrorism ... but it's these home grown country killing Republicans and their paid propaganda whores who have brought all this upon us.
Nice going. Even though he wasn't allowed to debate 90% of the slander and bull shit from the child molester, he certainly tore bor a new one.
I LOVED IT!!
I'd gladly give up 5 years of my life in prison to bitch-slap that rubber-faced, sorry excuse of a human being to his knees, and then waterboard him with my p*ss till he cried for his secret gay lover Cheney to protect him!
do we assume you don't Like Bill O'Reilley?
Henican 1 - Billo the clown 0
Good showing by my local scribe!
..but I'm just abashed at Bloofah's lack of patriotism and lack of any sense of what's lawful and unlawful. Not really. I don't think much at all about Bloofah.
Bloofah, listen to me, I'll use really small words for you: The..USA..does..not..torture! Also, we don't use neat little euphemisms like, enhanced interrogation (I know those words are awfully big)instead of using the word torture. We signed agreements saying that we wouldn't and allowed ourselves to be monitored by an international body universally recognized to determine what is and what ain't torture. And we have tortured! I will not rest until the criminals who authorized it are in jail.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
That would be a real debate.
call me names...but I like Sheppard Smith...I'd like to see him on another network.
sooner than you think. The folks at Faux News don't like it when you stray too far from their scripted talking points...
Hopefully it was scripted. Their audience is very stupid. Maybe this is the only way they can learn about it...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
He seems genuinely pissed.
... and it was a delight.
Henican kicked his ass.
I would LOVE it if somebody grabbed O'Lielly by the tie, splashed water on his ruddy face and told him to just shut the hell up.
Quick reduction of BOR to a loud blathering idiot for his whole audience to see. Very nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCNKkyckQCI&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'll bring the Blistex and the Blisterine.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Why do you hate America, bill?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Bill O'Reilly finally meets his match in Ellis Henican
that sounds more like an insult than a compliment...
"We'll waterboard Ellis in a moment."
"And I'll tell you the truth even before you do."
"God help me."
I think that's the most telling part of the whole exchange, right there. An awful waterboarding joke (as opposed to a witty and hilarious waterboarding joke... I know), and expressing dismay at being presented with the truth. Bill O'Reilly: Truly, a class act.
O'Reilly is an intellectual b/c he went to Harvard...bwahhhhhhh.
"Hey, Harvard makes mistakes too! Kissinger taught there! "
Good for Henican....that was great! We need more to stand up to this Billy the Bully.
I just saw on CNN that Bob Gates approved of the release of those torture memoes.....the reason why is that he saw that they would ultimately be released one way or another. How true that is....someone would have released them, just like the Abu Ghraib pictures were.
Not only is it "fun" to watch Bill meet a worthy sparing partner, it is instructive to see his "techniques" displayed so nakedly: Interrupt, interrupt louder, impugn the integrity of your guest, interrupt again. When all else fails, interrupt louder.
O'Reilly is just a major league Jackass . What totally amazes me are the people who watch him , his audience is huge . No wonder this country has gone to hell , a very unsophisticated and stupid population to say the least and they vote no less ! It's actually scary .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
thing is...my father served in korea
he served his country...unlike the chicken hawk perv
he underwent the training of what to do when being tortured...and he told me he would never do that to another human being...no matter what the circumstance
my father wants all the fucks in the bush administration sent straight to prison
my father is a hero
I think it might be even a little less awful as a member of the army if you know that the army is not going to actually kill you than being a prisoner of war and being water boarded by the enemy.
Yes, your dad is a hero!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
my dad only told me that he underwent training
he wont talk about the methods used
which says to me, whatever he experienced, he doesnt want to relive....sounds awful to me
everytime i hear some guy call into a wingnut talk show, and allege that he is a former member of the military, and has no problem with what occured at gitmo...i question whether he is being truthful about his service
i understand dehumanzing the enemy...my dad had to to that
but unless they have stopped the training in regards to what will happen when one is captured...i just cant see a rational human being wanting that to occur to anyone else
I agree. How one human being could do this to another human or for that matter any creature is something I cannot understand. I can't even watch that film they show on tv of how it's done.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It's supposed to make us think twice, and to highlight the 'difference' between ourselves and the 'enemy.'
Not make us go, "Oh, cool! I wanna do this to someone! Sign me up!"
I don't wanna do it and I don't know how others can.
Trouble is now there isn't any difference. We do what our enemy did in the past.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
True soldiers all seem to take the same position on torture.
until he decided to run for prez and sold his soul to the devil
had to be loofa boy's best line
will his head explode when the world sees obama as a hero?
the only people who dont want this exposed and the criminal cabal sent to prison are wingnut talkers like the loofa one
and nice of the perv leaving out the fact that most of the torture was committed to get the prisoners to give false confessions
..no one blamed W following the attack on 9/11, conspiracy theorists not-withstanding. And they didn't blame him for the Anthrax attacks. We know most of what W did and didn't do but no one at the time attached any blame to him for the attacks. It happened on his watch, that's for sure and no amount of Revisionist History will change that.
Isn't it nice that Bloofah is extending the same courtesy to.....oh wait, no he's not.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"Soros and MoveOn", "Soros and MoveOn".
Get new material, BillO. This is what 'news' has come to. I throw up a little in my mouth when I hear him refer to his program as "the number 1 news program' on Primetime. Not so much because it's number 1, but because he calls it a 'news' program.
Good to see him pwned.
LOL he's been pushing lies for years. Face it. The GOP and the right wing press control the entire narrative of this presidency. The weak, completely out of touch congressional democrats refuse a full court press at exactly the time we need it.
Remember. The majority of independent voters are unreliable. They voted in G Bush for a second term even though you could see what an idiot he was.
Harry Reid needs to go. Feingold needs to be put in. Armies of democrat pundits need to be front and center on every cable channel. Not these mealy mouthed people we've been getting who clam up and allow lies to be told on television. But verbal hawks who study and know their enemies talking points.
It's time to stop being pussies and get our shit together. I'm telling you the independents that swung our way will be gone if the Dems don't squash these fucking liars. NOW
Unwatchable.
We have been safe since nine eleven because of torture.
It's a kind of magic. For example--
In September 2001, I caught pneumonia and almost died. (True story.) When I came home from the hospital I performed a secret ritual to keep me safe and make sure it never happened again.
I can't tell you the details of the ritual except to say that it involved a blood sacrifice. You liberals may scoff, but it WORKED!
I have not had another bout of pneumonia since September 2001!
If you were to release the details of your ritual, it would lose its effectiveness while emboldening the pneumonia.
I am amazed to find such a discerning poster on this blog.
Thanks for the response....made me laugh and that's something that gets harder and harder to do every day!
Oreilly is a real piece of work. What a mutten-head he is. He conveniently omits facts. Does he not know that the USA EXECUTED Japanese soldiers for WATER-BOARDING our soldiers (aka torturing) during WWII because it was against the Geneva Convention?
Dick Cheney? George W. Bush? Donald Rumsfeld? Condoleezza Rice? Alberto Gonzales? Harriet Miers? Paul Wolfowitz? Richard Perle? Douglas Feith? Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck?
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There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxf0H_BR-ww
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2emcWHVULE
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Besides, the DOJ will take over now. They need reeminding that the DOJ is a non partisan entity. how quickly they will forget. Holder is just the AG. He just signs off on the good work of the DOJ - bless them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
O'Reilly: Oh, now we're in Theory World. Here we go!
Takes some balls to go there. And not in the good sense.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You mean the corner of crackpot la-la land that implies torturing two guys who have been in the slammer for YEARS could possibly have any impact on terrorist activities and plans eight years later.
THAT Theory World?
BillO: "I would have dunked that guy under water a thousand times to save _your_ life!"
Oh, hey... big sacrifice on BillO's part, eh?
Yeah really!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... I gave up drinking for Lent.
Problem is, I don't drink anyway, so the sacrifice is meaningless. Kind of like Bill-O demonstrating his absolute lack of morals to justify torturing another human being.
And, really - Jack the Ripper was killing prostitutes because he was cleaning up the neighborhood for the rest of the people. I mean, he'd kill a thousand prostitutes if it made your street safer! What a guy!
I got navel lint.
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How about we dunk Billo under water a thousand times to save my fricking sanity?
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
... why do you need to depend on 'terrorists' to crash planes into said buildings? Why not simply arrange for the discovery of a van or a safehouse, and have 'terrorists on the loose in NYC' to really drum up a scare?
seriously
i can show you vid after vid of troofer nuts lying to make the facts jibe with their claims
and dont let them take this ot
9/11 is the only time in history that any building, (3 on that date) have fallen in their own footprint without demolition. That in itself should be enough for a thorough investigation.
If cheney had a secret hit squad that could go anywhere, anytime, and do anything, why couldn't they train someone to fly an airplane into a building, or just do it themselves?
I'm just askin'...
I'd like to compare the dust to the dust after a non-thermite demolition for starters. Does the signature for thermite come up in dust from other sources in the area?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Bill was really sweating and yelling again because as usual he can't take the truth and got his ASS handed to him again. He is NO debater, just full of hatred and shit in his frilley pink panties. He is going absolutely Wing-Nut crazy as his criminal Bush administration is being investigated for breaking the law again and again and again. Love seeing the Faux Noise scripted idiot wet his panties because he FEARS any and all truth coming out.
Word on the street is that Billo has a PhD. Who wrote his dissertation?
Phineas Dork.
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I just read his history on wiki and didn't see anything about a PhD. I did find out that he used to be a movie critic for the Miami Herald.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Last movie billo liked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nHAlxOirDo
billo cheered at the end.
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