Wow, that was a big show of Tea Party force in D.C.
As you can imagine, Fox News was all over the massive Tea Party rally on Capitol Hill today:
A small but vocal group of Tea Party activists gathered outside the Capitol on Thursday to urge House Republican leaders to hold the line and push for deeper spending cuts in the federal budget.
Chanting, “Cut it or shut it” and “We want less,” the activists directed their ire at Senate Democrats, arguing that the cuts they have demanded are not “extreme,” but necessary to right the nation’s fiscal ship.
As you can see, there were at least 8 million people there! Give or take about 7.9998 million.
Dave Weigel reports that there were about 200 in attendance, though he tartly adds: "If there's much media focus on how small the rally was, I think that would miss the point. There was a total sense of victory on display."
Yeah, not to mention a total sense of having a strangely mixed message. The Tea Partiers wanted to blame the Democrats for shutting down the government -- while simultaneously demanding a shutdown!
But some Senate Democrats have suggested those Tea Party principles are to blame for the current budget stalemate, saying they have led to infighting among House Republicans that is complicating negotiations. Republicans at the rally laid the blame for a potential shutdown square at the feet of Democratic leaders in the Senate.
"House Republicans have run headlong in to Harry Reid. Harry Reid actually took to the floor of the senate and said that our modest down payment on fiscal discipline was reckless, irresponsible, mean-spirited," Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., told the boisterous crowd. "If liberals in the Senate would rather play political games and shut down the government instead of making a small down payment on fiscal discipline and reform, I say shut it down."
Not to mention the total sense of victory Tea Partiers are enjoying with the general public:
The public's approval of the conservative Tea Party has reached a new low, according to a poll released Wednesday.
A CNN/Opinion Research survey showed that only 32 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, while 47 percent view it unfavorably. Seven percent said they have not heard of the Tea Party, and 14 percent said they have no opinion.
No doubt this has nothing to do with the fact that Tea Partiers are increasingly over-the-cliff-batshit-crazy -- to the point that longtime mainstream conservatives are distancing themselves from them:
The Tea Party movement is brewing up a far different ideology that the country’s traditional, so-called “mainstream” conservatives, according to a new multi-state survey conducted by University of Washington political scientists.
The UW survey found Tea Party activists more likely to believe President Obama is a Muslim, less likely to believe he is American born, and far more likely to want the 44th president to fail.
The survey found that just 6 percent of mainstream conservatives believe President Obama is “destroying the country: 71 percent of Tea Party conservatives believe this to be true.’
Would-be Republican presidential candidates have “good reason” to court them, because people who support the Tea Party are “incredibly more political active than those who don’t,” said Christopher Parker, a UW associate professor of political science who led the survey.
“It will be hard to mollify them,” said Parker, adding in an interview: “We are seeing a split in the Republican Party right now.”
Among the differences between mainstream conservatives and Tea Partiers the survey found:
–Sixteen percent of mainstream conservatives believe that President Obama is a practicing Muslin: 27 percent of Tea Party conservatives believe that;
–Forty-six percent of mainstream conservatives believe Obama is a practicing Christian; but just 27 percent of Tea Party conservatives believe that;
–Fifty-five percent of mainstream conservatives believe Obama was born in the United States, compared to just 40 percent of Tea Party conservatives;
–Forty percent of mainstream conservatives believe Obama’s policies are pushing America toward socialism, but 75 percent of Tea Party conservatives say he is;
–Thirty two percent of mainstream conservatives want Obama’s policies to fail, but 76 percent of Tea Party conservatives want this to happen.
Of course, Fox's Megyn Kelly featured an interview with a Tea Partier making exalted claims on behalf of the movement -- in this case, Kitchen Table Patriots' Ana Puig, claiming that "the Tea Party movement is strengthening in numbers."
Sure they are. At least 8 million of them today, right?
FOX propaganda channel is not your friend. It is the oligarch's friend. If you watch FOX you are being brainwashed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bddVIyngis
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
they got TV coverage. While a couple hundred thousand protesting the assault on the middle class and America were totally ignored.
This isn't a Democracy. This is an Oligarchy. The fewer the people, the more important they are.
You're right. And America wasn't founded to be a democracy.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
A democratic republic, to be exact. And it has become a blatant oligarchy. Clearer?
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
It was never meant to be fully democratic either. They meant it to be more aristocratical or oligarchical, at least in terms of how the country is governed.
The founding fathers associated democracy with mob rule, and they feared that. The only portion of government that's supposed to resemble democracy is the congress. The rest of it is meant to temper democracy. They tried to use the ideas of the three types of rule to ballance each other out.
And maybe it is an oligarchy now, but when was it ever a full democracy?
They tried democracy with the Articles of Confederation, and that failed miserably.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
OK, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not certain at all where you're coming from. Am I to understand you think an oligarchy or, as is more apt to our current situation, a plutocracy, is a good thing?
However upper-crust the Founding Fathers were, they did put the mechanism in the Constitution for amendments, as society, hopefully matures, and concepts need to be codified.
I agree that we've never been a full democracy, and never will, but I believe it is a worthy goal to strive for, yes?
Or, again, are you saying that an oligarchy is a positive thing? I don't know quite where you're standing, as most of your posts seem to reflect a pretty dedicated conservative, and then this post... and not sure how to take it.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Each of the three types of rule have their positives and negatives. The Founders were far more learned men than either you or myself, so there had to be something to what they wanted for the country.
But no, I don't think a pure oligarchy is a good thing. If the Founders wanted a pure oligarchy, they would have made it one. But they didn't. They tried to take the best of the three worlds and make them work together.
And do you really want a pure Democracy? What if the Tea Baggers outnumbered everyone in a pure Democracy? Where would we be then?
Look, I only appear to be a dedicated conservative because of the topics at hand. This site doesn't seem to deal a whole lot with social issues. Socially I'm very liberal, in terms of government I'm fairly conservative, but not as much as you think.
I don't really cling to an ideology because I'd be a poor student of Machiavelli if I did.
You want my alignment? I'm a pragmatist that believes that justice is something we should seriously strive for, and that human beings, regardless of their political alignment, are mostly motivated by self-interest. You will probably never know how much I wish the Republican party wouldn't be filled with mindless retards who love Palin because she's hot. I figured out a long time ago that ultimately it's all a big joke. Most people only care about proving that their ideology is the right one, I just care about what works.
The worthiest goal we can strive for is justice, at least in my view the Aristotelian idea of justice: everyone getting what they deserve. And that's why I can't allow myself to vote Democrat. It seems that the liberal idea of justice is that everyone is equal. Not in the sense that everyone is equal as a human being, because I do believe that every human has the same basic worth as a human-being and ought to be treated as such. But it seems that your idea of equal is that everyone should be the same.
We started falling behind in education so what do we do? We dumb down the ciriculums so that kids don't have to feel bad for not being smart enough. Democrats seem to believe that "everyone deserves the right to be just as good as the next guy." I believe that everyone deserves the chance to be the best. That doesn't mean we lower the standards, it just means that if you have the ability and discipline that you should go as high as you can reach. If you're not smart enough or good enough, then oh well.
"All men are NOT created equal." Lincoln said it, Aticus Finch said it (Harper Lee). They were right. Does this mean we allow people to starve? Absolutely not. But does this mean we have to hold back the best and the brightest just so everyone else doesn't have to feel bad? No.
So that's why I vote Republican. It pains me that they are all retarded when it comes to social freedoms, but right now they're what I perceive to be the lesser of the two evils.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
OK, I got it, and can respect that. However, I have to say that considering what the Republican Party has become (and that's not likely to change), voting Republican marks you as a conservative, as that's really a charitable description of the mess of that party.
I do say that, although we'd probably go round and round over specific issues, but, contrary to some that come here (and many more on ThinkProgress), you conduct yourself as a gentleman, and that commands my respect.
I'm just too durned tired to respond point for point, so I'll just say "Well-spoken, sir" and wish you a good evening. Thank you for a good read.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Well thanks for the vote of confidence. You've renewed my faith in this forum =)
I don't blame you for not going point by point with me. Admittedly, I can be a bit long winded, haha.
And trust me, I feel the pangs of the horribleness that has become the Republican party. It's hard being an intellectual in a party full of retards and evangelicals.
Thanks for not insulting me, btw, and good night to you as well.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
Are you familiar with Balloon Juice? John Cole is a West Virginia guy who grew up a libertarian-leaning Republican, joined the Army, fought in the First Gulf War, stayed in a while, got out and used his GI Bill money to start college, and now he's teaching (iirc, got his doctorate a few years ago in some science field). He started BJ way back when ('99? '01?) and was an ardent supporter of Bush II...But by the time '04 rolled around he was getting sick of Bush/Cheney lies as well as the sameretards and evangelicals that turn you off...But he publicly struggled with his choice in '04, swallowing it and voting for Bush again.
Then, in '05, the Schiavo thing happened, and JC went ballistic. He's now a Democratic voter, strong on civil liberties, but doesn't espouse the same libertarian economic platforms of his youth.
Anyway, you might like him, but I'll issue this caveat: BJ commenters are wicked smart, and they'll call you for bullshit. Still, I think you might find a fit there.
Not as if you can't find a fit here, but variety, as they say, is the spice of life.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
There are regular football open threads ther, NCAA and NFL, in season.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Thanks for the suggestion. It appears that I've followed the same path as him. I spent four years in the Navy, 3 were spent on the USS San Jacinto. We did a stint in the Gulf. I got out and used my GI bill to go to college. I think I mispoke when I said I was in my senior year during the '08 election; I think I was in my junior year. I majored in history and political science and graduated summa cum laude last spring.
My professors were as liberal as one can be, and although they were definitely NOT in the business of indoctrination, they taught me to look at things a little differently. They didn't so much teach me to look at things "like a liberal," but moreso to actually THINK about what someone has to say, even if you disagree with it at first.
I'm a lot like that guy you mentioned. I'm not afraid to call anyone on their bullshit. Although I try to be a bit more cordial here, my blog is far from cordial. But, I'm dealing with different audiences and different purposes. So style has to change accordingly.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
You are very articulate, and obviously think things through, which is what my elite, private school education did for me. I agree with you in terms of being a pragmatist. I try to be the same. I work to not become ideological. I'm enough of a historian and political science junkie to agree pretty much with your analysis of the intent of the Founders.
However, (and I know the comments are too short to really explain) your one point re: the Democrats is not the entirety of what they represent, nor is it all that accurate. And your wistful attitude towards the Republican party does not make voting for them OK, especially since they've been the leaders in the destruction of our society for over 30 years. What happened to the party of La Follette? They seem to have become just a mean spirited and greedy bunch of hypocrites. How can you even vote?
The Democrats obsession with leveling the playing field has resulted in injustice. The Republicans however, seem to want to keep a lot of people of the playing field itself!
Your comment that we start falling behind in education is telling. You say we dumb things down and that's the Dems. I say we dumb things down by cutting the funding to schools due to the Republican obsession with taxes. And talk about equality! The Repubs do their best to create policies that definitely favor the rich to the rest of society's disadvantage.
Honestly, while I agree with you about pragmatism, I just don't see how you can vote Republican. Destroyers of decent civil society.
The GI Bill is interesting. It was basically a bipartisan effort. Wish we could see more of that.
I'd probably be libertarian if that wasn't such a deluded fantasy. We live in a large society. We must take care of certain aspects of our civilization collectively. Libertarians seem to miss that.
The republicans are pure psychotic evil.
Nothing is worse than the fascist republican party. Nothing!
And liberals don't expouse everyone to be alike. That is total b.s., and any critical thinker knows that. Conservatives are the ones who want conformity - hence, that's why they are conservatives.
Also, education is not a failure. People only think that because the billionaires who want to privatize it (take it over) say so repeatedly on the MSM that they also own.
The fact that you can't figure this out, explains your pathetic use of GOP talking points that have nothing to do with reality.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
that the GI Bill was part of the New Deal more or less, and was part of that whole "equality" thing. The GI Bill, along with collective bargaining and a decent tax rate created the middle class that Mr. Camwell is definitely a member of, or at least a beneficiary of.
The Republicans have spent the better part of 30 years dismantling that. The Dems have been willing enablers.
The best years of this country were the years in which the middle class was dominant. The middle class is being dismantled by the elite, and anyone who votes Republican is directly aiding that.
The Founders rightly feared an absolute democracy. The Tea Party is proof of what happens when the mob is manipulated by the elite. The middle class is caught, well, in the middle. The middle class tends to hate the poor because they all aspire to join the self-interested (only) elite. The elite play the middle class as well by encouraging the illusion that "we will all be rich someday". The deluded bourgeoisie votes against its own survival based on a pipe dream.
I was raised in a middle class household, and attended very elite schools until I got tired of the selfish hypocrisy of the wealthy.
I then took a series of blue collar jobs until I couldn't stand the lack of thought on the part of most of the working class.
I am now working in a corporation with the solid and completely distracted and deluded middle class.
What to do?
More accurately it was a secret oligarchy aided and abetted by mass media and then along came the internet and it became all to gruesomely public.
Now the focus is back on undoing the damaging and if necessary measures taken to tax the oligarch out of existence.
What the corporate media fails to report exposes their motives. They seek the concentration of power and money for the major corporations, themselves, and their sponsors. Anything that would weaken this objective is strictly down played, vilified, or completely ignored. They are stealth partisans. CNN is the biggest stealth partisan corporation of them all. FOX is more overt in their corporate propaganda in order to brainwash less astute viewers.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It doesn't matter if there is only 1 or 1 million "tea party" movement people at a "rally", Fox News will report on it as a major event. If there are 100 million union supporters at a rally Fox News will discount it at best and ignore it at worst.
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NPR gave this nonsense a full segment including Bachman's dribble.
because half the truth is more dangerous than outright lies.
The gullible old liberals (and many young ones) think NPR is the most "trustworthy" news, whereas, I see it as the most subtle propaganda. The Rethugs are doing themselves a disservice to try to kill it off, but they are jackasses all around anyway. Do they think that once it is gone that people will then turn to Fox?
dumb teabagger twats were out in force today.
Hearing the voice of John Lovitz in my head....
It was a... a huge gathering... there were 200... million... yeah... 200 million... that's the ticket!
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
We The Sheeple
CNN has ignored rallies in Wisconsin 100,000 strong and lasting for weeks, 500,000 strong rallies in London, Scott Walker's continued defiance of law and court orders, Democrats leaving their states for up to five weeks at a time. All ignored.
Now let's watch and see if CNN covers this 200 strong T-bagger rally... Any bets?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Kitchen table patriots?
LOL good gawd
the republican lawmakers heard was "We Want Less!".
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
My conspiracy theory goes like this.....
Joe Average Tea Party guy. Disenchanted with republicans, but hate the democrats. They are suspicious of the republicans, have libertarian leanings, and suffer from a myriad of conspircies and no real leadership.
They want to be independent, dad or mom was a republican, they know republicans are crooks, but the hate the democrats.
They will sit out an election if they think they're being snookered or the candidate falls victim to rank hypocrisy.
Tea party people want the to think that there are only one party, with the republicans being the right and the democrats the left side of the same party. There is some merit and evidence to support that argument, but a whole lot of differences that argue against it.
The backers of the tea party were interested in recapturing the libertarians (Ron Paul) as a voting bloc and turning them against the democrats. It worked.
I think that most tea party members feel like suckers right about now, and you are going to have a hard time finding someone who says they strongly support the tea party anymore.
Yes, but the same mindset that made them suckers for the tea party makes them unable to admit to anyone that they were wrong...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Maybe it would be a good idea to help these idiots start a real political party. Help them split the GOP.
I dunno... these people I know that fit my description are also those that wouldn't work that hard at it, or even think that creatively... unless their pastor convinced them it was a good idea, and for me, there's that old Separation Clause that kinda sours me on that idea.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Ya... but don't forget the propaganda techniques of the Koch machine, and their super rich and elite friends they have embedded in government.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ron Paul isn't and never has been a libertarian. As long as he believes that the government has the authority to deny a woman the right to choose what they do with her body and that gays are not to be afforded equal rights, he will forever be a social conservative.
The only reason that some people believe that he is a libertarian is good marketing.
The "tea party" movement is nothing more than the same microwaved social conservative movement we have seen over the decades.
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Yep. good point.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
How is it possible to even have a conversation with somebody who believes that? They start out as a undeniable dumbass. 16% of MAINSTREAM conservative believe Obama is a Muslim? Doesn't that take you out of the mainstream or something?
What once was the way-out fringe apparently IS mainstream these days.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
A conversation? Like talking to a schizophrenic about the invisible demons that nobody can see except her/him - good luck convincing him/her that they don't exist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Hey, don't go disparaging schizophrenics by equating them with tea baggers!
Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!
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You're right. Sorry. No disparaging intended. Unlike republicanism and t-bagger syndrome, schizophrenia can be treated and reversed with medical care and has nothing to do with being a stupid, thick headed racist neophyte.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
That ANY republicans think he is Muslim is outrageous (once again, not that anything is wrong with Islam) and that 45% believe he wasn't born in the USA. They believe things that are patently FALSE, because of the lies spread by the Republicans in Congress (not to mention Faux News). it is truly scary how easily people can be deceived. And they want to run the country?
Progressive and radical, just like the Founding Fathers
Everyone on the short bus wants to run the country, or have the country run according to what satisfies them exclusively.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
My April Fools' joke consisted of telling acquaintances that Obama's birth certificate had been found, that he is an Italian born in Chicago, and that his Kenyan papers were forgeries. Amazingly, this found widespread cred and acceptance--except among my Tea Party acquaintances. Yup, the same bunch who insists that Barack is the AntiChrist. They will not let him out of being a N****r. Ironically, the sole open Democrat quoted Obama's statement on family diversity to me.
And the birthers... Get out of here.
Same day "5 Thousand Protest Budget/Union Laws in New Hampshire today" and the M$M yawns.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/31/9620...
Why does anybody continue to care what the M$M puts out? Lies, more lies and bigger lies.
UGH!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
are spelled properly?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
never ever drink the lemonade that bachmann
offers at one of these rallys, especially if there are
no honeybuckets in sight.
Jonestown is not a bad analogy. They are destroying the economy - bringing it to a crashing halt, while making everyone believe that they are saving it. Only the big corporations know the truth, that they are intentionally crashing the economy. It's insane.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Gauging from Bachmann's batshit-crazy eyes, if she's had any of it to drink, I'd really like to avoid it... or save it and trip on it in private...
Just sayin'...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
"eye jobs". Have you noticed she doesn't blink? That's because the skin is too tight.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I think it's more like when Anthony Hopkins was interviewed by Barbara Walters after the Oscar success of Silence of the Lambs.
She asked him what made a really good bad guy, and Sir Tony put on his most chilling Lecter face and said with a hiss "The really good bad guys never blink..."
Kept it up for a few and freaked out Walters, BTW.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
FUX News
Thank you for watching. Today, a group of Tea Party activists showed up on Capitol Hill to exercise their free speech rights. Shouting slogans and carrying signs, these brave citizens are making demands that their representatives actually represent them. It was a powerful show of democracy in action, and a reminder of how great our nation really is.
In other news, in a sickening display of violence, union thugs trespassed all over a once-beautiful Madison, Wisconsin with the audacity to literally shout slogans and carry signs, which some historians note is unprecedented. Without a shred of decency, these far-ultra-uber-left wing Communists - who, some say, have ties to Muslim groups - are claiming without evidence that their government is not representing them, as though they are the only people in a vibrant democracy who deserve representation.
And finally, tonight, the Obama Administration is killing a lot of people in the Middle East. Not that they have the right to live, but clearly, this is the wrong course of action by any fair and balanced analysis. And, coming soon, when we figure out precisely why it's the wrong course of action, we'll report it so, you can decide.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I'm sure the 7.9998 million missing social conservative christian Tea Party kitchen table commandos were there in spirit if not in body. It's best that way. Makes for fewer scooters, weird costumes and misspelled signs also too. Think of the children, y'all.
They're gonna keep pulling down that statue of Saddam in Firdos Square until the end of time.
I love when Fox over inflates crowd size. Think about it . The people there know the reality. Just the fact that they were there at all brings their sanity into question. Maybe some in the crowd felt embarrassed and told their friends. And those friends told their friends and family. 200 imbecile opinions can still multiply quickly. Sure there is gonna be the "Say it ain't so... Jethro" crowd. Fox's numbers are declining. The best they can hope for is another O'Queef video editing debacle. They're probably gonna lay low now that BreitTard is getting sued. I also heard that O'Queef was caught with Larry Craig playing airport toilet funhouse , but Fox is trying to keep it covered up. Don't worry Fox you can't keep it under wraps forever. David Vitter crapped his diaper when he heard about it. That in itself should tell you how sensitive this issue is.
The Tea Party is a conspiracy put on by the Koch brothers and the corporate media. Nothing more. A plot to utilize the useful idiots of this nation.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
mostly liber-tarians,i suspect.15% of the populis max.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
appearances at rallies they support, on breaks or coming or going to work, Considering the thousands of Gov employees in the area it kind of looks like they stayed away.
I wonder why?
...the American people are fed up with ignorant white people making a fool of themselves all in the name of patriotism...
http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_politic...
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in excess body fat & carrying a misspelled sign.
Now that's a good link!
I especially liked "Stundents for McCain / Palin". Hahah! Good luck you Stundents...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
These people are so stupid, I wonder if they even know they are alive,
I recently told some of these idiots that back in 1776, they would have sided with the oligarch's and King George!
After giving them a couple dozen examples and comparisons between the two era's, I was able to sit back and enjoy the mindless stammering and complete meltdown as their tiny tea brains overloaded with reality and facts.
So many stupid people, so little time.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
We are doomed.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I didn't realize there were so many...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Gop is crap, fux is crap.
Is it the 21st century yet?
i are a friend of keith.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
When does he start his TV show?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
on current tv...what ever that is,not on my cable package.....hope its on the web.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
Blame the DEMS for shutting it down, then demanding it be shut down? PLEASE stop posting teabagger politiks, it's making my brain hurt and no doubt killing my valuable neurons.
Wow, that was a big show of Tea Party
forcefarce in D.C."We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
...I saw a bigger turnout at the local middle school dance last week....ironically, the middle schoolers were better educated in basic economics as well.
Chris
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the Tea Partiers like they were the Second Coming.....I was listening to a radio news spot and they gushingly said "the Tea Partiers descended on Capital Hill to rally and demonstrate against the puny (my word) budget cuts"....then they had a screaming crowd sound in the background that sounded like there were thousands there.....then I saw it on TV and there were MAYBE 200 people there....
WTF?!!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I wonder if any of them could actually explain the idea of the "Tea Party." The funniest bumper sticker I've ever seen said "Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends."
Generally, even if I think someone is wrong or mistaken I listen anyway, because I might discover that I'm wrong or mistaken. But these people are idiots, and the kind of folks that the Founding Fathers didn't want involved in government. So it's difficult for me to listen to someone that I know is a moron.
And I know this is a shameless plug, but I don't care. You all seem like good Palin haters, so you might like this article I wrote. I compare her to herpes.
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com/20...
But keep it down, eh? If my conservative friends find out they'll lambast me as bad as some of you do when I disagree with you. ;-)
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
Did you actually vote for McCain, the old guy with four bouts of melanoma and a medical record he wouldn't release and his vice president, Sarah Palin?
Please explain that thought process, given your current disdain for Palin.
I did vote for McCain as I thought he had some good ideas. I didn't get caught up in the Obama hype because I knew that most of the "change," he was promising was as empty as any other campaign promise from any other politician. And I didn't really take his medical history into account because I knew what he had been through. JFK didn't release his medical records either, and it's only been recently that we found out he was hopped up on pain killers half the time. People still consider him to be one of the greats, though.
I hated Palin then, and I hate her now. She would have made an awful vice president, but Biden's not really the pick of the litter either. At the time I truly favored McCain over Obama, but I was willing to overlook Palin because we all know that the vice-president is the "most insignificant officer ever contrived" (John Adams).
But given Obama's record on keeping his campaign promises, can you really blame me for voting for McCain? I mean take the whole healthcare thing for example. Obama called McCain's idea of taxing benefits and giving tax credits stupid. And now, that was one of the big talking points for the healthcare bill. I'm sure you remember the camera panning over to a smiling McCain when Obama laid it all out. As the Democrats were applauding Obama, I'm sure McCain could only think "Americans are retarded."
When Obama was elected, though, I gave him a fair shake. I wasn't all doom-and-gloom like my conservative friends. I give every president a fair shake because I know, at the end of the day, they are men who are just trying to do their best with what they're given.
So my thought process was to vote for who I thought was the better presidential candidate knowing that the VP would have been marginalized as they normally are. Palin was a lot more reserved then, however, and thus more tollerable. It wasn't until she went the demagogue route that I really started to despise her. I don't like people who get morons to rally behind them.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
What about McCain seemed like good ideas?
I found his foreign policy a scary repeat of Bush's policies (Baghdad as safe to walk down as any city in the US? Really?). I'm fairly confident we would still be all in in Iraq and likely going into Iran under McCain (by his own words).
His understanding of economics was wanting by his own admission. His "suspension" of his campaign when the market tanked was a laughable pander. What was he going to do?
Finally, I really couldn't gloss over the selection of Sarah Palin. Unimportant as the position may be, to pick her was an odd and reckless choice on his part. For someone as old as he is with the health issues he had (the medical records I mentioned may have mentioned that skin lesion he had removed during the campaign was not benign), the chances were more than likely that she would be ascending to an office she was by no means qualified or intelligent enough for.
Meh... she would have quit 2 years in, Nicole...
*smile*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Well, 2012 is almost here and he's still alive and healthy. And how much different is Obama's foreign policy than Bush's? He's bombing Libya. And although Obama might have been more informed on economics, is it adequate? You like FDR I'm assuming? FDR didn't know a damn thing about economics, and he admitted to it.
And unfortunately I can't really remember what about McCain's ideas I liked, specifically. I did my research and I knew at the time, but that was three years ago. I'm not one to ruminate on what could have been, I'm more just focusing on what we're doing now.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
I didn't want to talk Obama?
That's not debate, that's obfuscation. "Yeah, but this guy is bad too." doesn't tell me a thing about your thought process in supporting John McCain. And that two (not three) years after you voted for him, you can't remember why tells me your convictions weren't all that strong to begin with.
And for the record, YES, I think Obama has done the best he could do with the economy given the ridiculous amount of obstruction he has had from the Republicans in the Senate. Had he not had to placate them constantly with their economy killing policies (tax cuts for the wealthy? 30 years of that should tell you it does SHIT for the economy), I think we would be in a much healthier position.
But because I DO pay attention, I'm not going to bash Obama for our economic health. There's lots I could and do bash him for, but the economy is not one of them.
Yes I did miss that actually. I'm seriously not trying to obfuscate anything. And please excuse me for not remembering all of the particulars of McCain's campaign. I was in my senior year of college, raising two kids, and going through a divorce at the time. I didn't have the luxury, then, of committing everything to memory.
I'm also trying to ballance writing a blog, contributing to these forums, and learning Latin on my own, so I'm sorry if I don't always have every fact at my finger tips.
And I'm not going to bash Obama for the economy. He was given a shit hand, and I truly believe that he's trying to do what he thinks is best.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
but Jack, you're not remembering *any* of the particulars.
All of us can point to things that take our attention away. I almost died in 2008 from an asthma attack that permanently damaged my heart. I have two kids too that I am raising. I worked multiple jobs (including managing this site and the 20+ posts daily) and probably only averaged 3-4 hours of sleep a night. I know from stress.
But you said that you did research and was satisfied that John McCain was the right candidate. When I asked why, you've given me nothing but pointing at Obama.
Can you see how that's an unsatisfactory response?
Okay well I did mention the health care ideas that he had. I thought that his idea to stop spending was a good one.
And I already told you that I thought that I was picking between the lesser of two evils. At the time I felt that Obama was making a LOT of promises that I knew he could never keep, and McCain seemed like he was being at least a little bit realistic. All of you know that he's not been able to keep a lot of his campaign promises, so I was right to be wary. Would McCain have fared any better? Probably not, but that's the gamble we take when we vote for someone.
Seeing as how I mentioned the lesser of two evils approach, telling you how I felt about Obama at the time is in perfect keeping with that logic and helps to explain my thought process. And to be honest, I'm the type of guy that likes to move foreward with stuff. I can sit here an be all "woe is me, McCain didn't win," and wish that his ideas would have worked, or I can try to analyze what's going on now.
And like I said, I had a lot of crap going on at the time, so if I'm a terrible human being for not remembering all the reasons I voted for a candidate at the time then so be it.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
cuz maybe it's a cheap shot. Jack, you are kinda young, aren't you?
The world is blessed to have an intelligent, inquiring man such as you in it. However, age and experience have a way of modifying one's perspective.
I'm guessing you were not born before 1980 or so, give or take a few years.
History books or channels do not adequately describe the way society was, in terms of underlying assumptions, etc., prior to the ascendancy of St. Ronnie, destroyer of the middle class and the ability of the working class to better themselves.
I admire your thoughtfulness and articulate writing, however much of what you write about recent history seems theoretical, rather than based in actual experience.
Two things: really, really understand the GI Bill and why the modern Republican party is pretty much antithetical to the concepts behind the GI Bill; a program that has given you the education you benefit from. (thanks for your service by the way)
Also, I think your excuse that you are a guy who moves on is disingenuous. It gets you out of admitting to a mistake or to voting with your feelings. Or whatever. I have to side with Nicole on that.
None of can escape a certain viscerality in our political positions. You should acknowledge yours.
However, I do have to say it is very nice to debate a thoughtful person, rather than an insult flinging mouth breather. Thanks!
Whole different level of stress as POTUS, Jack, by a lot. McCain's been apparently having a ball playing the crusty old coot, but as melanoma was what killed my late father, the level of stress and sheer physical endurance required as POTUS is not conducive to remaining a cancer survivor.
FWIW, every president in my memory left office much grayer and much more gaunt than before they took office... as if they've aged 20 years in 4... only two I can remember that only aged much AFTER they left office were Nixon and Bush II. (Reagan doesn't count, as he was a testament to the embalmer's art all through his presidency and beyond).
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Good point.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
Maybe physically healthy, but the mind has gone to crap.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
have you checked out jacks blog? if not, you should.its something like ....'god-fearing-republican-godly-christian-man or some such.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
It's actually "Christan-fearing God Man". Jack distinguishes himself as a Catholic and is less than impressed by fundamentalist Christianity.
The overall impression I got from Jack's blog is that he's very young. When you're young, theories seem much more likely than they do when you get old like me and have seen what happens in practice.
I have several friends who were Republican until reality showed them it was not in their interest to be so. I suspect that Jack will move in that direction as well. He at least appears to be far more open-minded than most Republicans we get around here.
I'm actually old enough to have been young and ignorant enough to vote for Reagan...
I outgrew it... unfortunately, a certain ex-wife never did and went further down the rabbit-hole - more's the pity, but at least she's happy... willfully ignorant, but happy.
I'm proof that one can outgrow that mindset and still be uproariously happy! (of course, I'm somewhat insane, so that might be a helping part of it... *smile*)
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Well, that makes one of us that's "sure" we can cut foreign aid and magically come up with $100 billion....from a less than 40 billion dollar operation. Cut the military, GROW SOME MAN PANTS. But foreign aid? I'm laughing at how serious you must be.
spending more than the next 10 or so military budgets combined?
Guess the 'home of the brave' Tea Partiers don't feel taxed enough already for that eh?
And was that Rose Anne Rosesanadana's eldest daughter on with Megyn Kelly?
...truly is reality today.
These Tea Party hacks monopolize the news cycle whenever a few hundred of them get together to rally in defense of selfishness and kicking poor people when they're down, and the corporatist media is all too happy to comply with the wishes of the Koch Brothers and dutifully cover it.
But when tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) protest governmental austerity, or corporate crime, it barely registers a blip.
Fascism, folks...it's real, and it's here. We are living in scary times for real.
Just 'Cos You Got the Power...THAT DON'T MEAN YOU GOT THE RIGHT!
The morons who were chanting "We Want Less" should have added "We want more for major corporations", you know because they have it so tough right now.
NOBODY 2012
because..we're not worthy. What is wrong with these people?
Answer-everything.
Where were those video's of the Tea-Bagger's taken? It definitely wasn't in Washington yesterday!
Which fake rally background did Faux Noise use to gin up the attendance this time?? Tea Party is dying slowly just like the sick, racist and corrupt Reslug party.
Faux Noise still comes out in force. Losers.
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