Scarborough Comes Up With A New Spin On Torture Testimony
By Jamie Thursday May 14, 2009 12:00pm
Now we are starting to hear it all when it comes to defending torture. Yesterday FBI agents who were involved in interrogating detainees testified to Senate that these techniques didn't work and that they were able to obtain valuable information using traditional methods. Well that apparently doesn't sit well with Joe Scarborough considering his new line of defense - the FBI agents are "exaggerating".
They're exaggerating their role in interrogating suspects. They are mudding up the facts and what we see here is the FBI trying to undercut the CIA - the FBI has always hated the CIA.
So Scarborough is essentially saying that the FBI is willing to perjure themselves just because of some grudge they have against the CIA. Now I have heard it all.
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was a crossdresser.
if they despise them so much?
Gay Edgar Hoover?
You better get that perjury evidence you have over to justice ASAP!!
What? You don't HAVE any evidence? Just your numbnut opinion?
Oh.
Well then, just SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE!
Another WTF moment for KO.
keep after them with reason and facts and more facts as they come to light. We're winning (and by us I mean, of course, those who love truth, beauty and justice), and with every new revelation, they're losing traction.
against these shitwhistles.
You have your "facts," they have their "facts."
It's a loser's game.
What works is ridicule, embarrassment and humiliation.
(See, e.g, Saul Alinsky)
Does someone have some dirt on good ol' Joe. Why is he coming out so hard against trying to hold people accountable for WAR CRIMES? Whatever little, and I do mean little, respect I gained for him during when he called out the GOP in the 2008 election cycle is completely gone.
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for that job over at FOX. He's getting tired of proofing copy for KO, once his two hour gig for his audience of shut ins, old ladies and unemployed NASCAR goobers is over.
He's just working on his schtick. O'Reilly has the screaming, Beck has the tears...I think Joe is working on having his head spin around and smoke comes out of his ears.
Does anyone have dirt on Joe? I wonder what he ever might've done that could give someone this kind of leverage . . hmmmm.
There was that story about his young aide/secretary being found dead in his office when he was in Congress........
..you have proof right? That's not an opinion or anything is it?
I mean if it is, who cares but if you have proof, that would be nice.
Morning Jackass strikes again.
being the key clue to the rut we're in.
The guy doesn't know jack shit, yet talks like an authority on torture and Geneva. "Morning Joe" is recommended viewing for the criminally ignorant who need a break from cartoons.
wow same old tactic rub shit on everyone so everybody smells. then the public will say " i don't BELIEVE any of them" that's what they want. the people have been successfully taken out of the system with very good and ongoing deception.
..trust him. What do y'all and the trained professionals in the FBI and CIA know? Joe is the expert in this. Trust him! UREAL!!!
I swear, sometimes I feel like I am living in a different planet.
And when will this useless Harold Ford make it official and becoame a Republican/Fascist? Come on Harold! Enough already!!! You are not even worthy of being called a traitor because you never were a liberal.
was involved in? The Republicans SWIFT-BOATED him with a NAKED WHITE GIRL who wanted to talk to him on the phone. One of the most despicable political spots EVER. I think Ford was so intimidated by that piece of character asassination that he's scarred for life, and will never be back up to his potential.
It does seem that the republicans are placing their faith in the CIA not lying, and the democratic are relying on the FBI. If open war has broken out, it does make sense in what is going on here. Each grabbing their congressional backers and starting weird games in the public eye.
Dems and FBI vs. Repubs and CIA is an inaccurate simplification of what's going on here. The information the FBI is giving is backed up by other sources (like the people who were tortured) and by ALL experts on interrogation. I've yet to hear anyone who can reputably be called an interrogator say that torture works. Also, its common knowledge that for all their many flaws (I'm no fan of the FBI) they are the ones who regularly interrogate people and get useful information, not the CIA.
John Boehner says he can't possibly believe that the CIA would mislead congress and Joe says the FBI is probably misleading congress - wonder when their opinions will flip flop for expediency - stay tuned.
Also if the CIA did tell you the truth they'd have to kill you! (always loved that joke for it's barbarically authoritarian hilarity - lol).
Now, why would I believe what Joe says, a talking head with his head firmly implanted up his rear-end, before I believe someone who does the actual interrogations says?
Joe's said some pretty asinine things but this one ranks in the top five.
On another note, if I'm not mistaken, it was stated somewhere yesterday that many of the interrogators who employed torture were contractors, not the CIA. Because many CIA agents refused to use torture, they were relieved and replaced by contractors. If this is true, I would say that they cannot be given immunity for 'following orders', since they are not members of the military, or the intelligence community. So, what would keep the DOJ from prosecuting them??
Why isn't the disgusting looking Scabface, being the torture loving Reslug he is, join Faux Noise liars and get the hell out of Dodge. He probably is enjoying bonking the bleach blonde bimbo too much to leave or could he be another closet Gay in the Reslug party?
FOX filled all their openings for Scabfaces, once it had hired Glen Beck.
they couldn't find room for one more bloviating, pompous, self-righteous, know-it-all wingnut? C'mon! He could add a lot to Faux Noise being that he was a congressman and all!
Why anyone has to listen to such a bobble headed blow hard is beyond me. Might as well have newt hosting the show. he is contantly tossing out his dim witted view or hypothesis on different subjects...and most often has missed the mark by a mile.
Here we go again....he blows shit out his trunk, and nobody challenges the dumb ass as to where he gets his facts. A pathetic piece of media to be sure.
I've been calling for his cancellation for months now. The nightly show was canceled for good reason. This morning show is as bad as his old show, even worse because it strikes Americans at a weak point early in the morning when their thinking skills are not as great as later in the day. Corporate media is ruthless, we must inform everyone as to their wrong-wing spin for the elite rich.
Where the corporate media diverts our attention from our imperial wars and corporate overlords looting the Treasury, and elected officials continuing to have their palms greased by armies of corporate lobbyists at our expense.
Very entertaining
Oh man - "The FBI has always hated the CIA", that's the dumbest thing I've heard, well, today (I'm sure on my way home tonight when I turn on Michael Weiner it will be topped).
He does know that the FBI and CIA are organizations, not people right?
even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course organizations can't literally hate each other but read just about any book on the history of the FBI and CIA and you will find that there has always been distrust and rivalry between the two groups, going back to the formation of the CIA which Hoover fought so hard to prevent. He wanted to have all the secret police power in the US. More chances for him to collect dirty pictures for his masturbatory sex life.
Spare me the spin, the hype, the hyperventilating, the pivoting, the posturing, the fingerpointing.
I want the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth.
And, yeah, I can handle it.
because the system doesn't run on truth.
....STFU!
Idiocy knows no bounds.
There's no shortage of idiots to exploit that's for sure. I'm one of them for even bothering to waste my time on these shills.
these are people that believe they know better than others/ordinary people.scar holds on to his Machiavellian principles of political expendiency over morality making this comment. it has NO bearing except to maintain the status quo...POWER. there going to continue their "you just understand we had to do this to protect the country". again thinking contrarian it's just the opposite with these people. i believe they made us less save. they(neoCONs) don't want people empowered it goes against what they wanted.
scarborough is ascribing to these fbi agents his own petty motives and unprincipled methods . . . the idea that they may be acting honestly and in accordance with the constitution is simply beyond his comprehension
Joe Scar was seated next to a little girl on the airplane.
A little while later he turned to her and said, 'Let's talk.
I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation
with your fellow passenger.'
The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and
said to Joe, 'What would you like to talk about?'
'Oh, I don't know,' said Joe. 'How about nuclear power?' and
he smiles..
'OK, ' she said 'That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask
you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same
stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?'
Joe, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence,
thinks about it and says, 'Hmmm, I have no idea.'
To which the little girl replies, 'Do you really feel qualified to
discuss nuclear power when you don't know shit?'
What an a**, like he knows everthing about torture, or that the men and women at the FBI and the CIA are in a perceived pissing match over who tortured whom. He has never made much sense and for some reason he seems to think he's writing policy. He's cheap and so his show.
Sorry
I know I blow it on occasion. I grew up in a rules are meant to be broken environment.
And why does no one ever jump this pompous asshole about it...
I know it's irrelevant.
So what.
It's embarrassing and makes the dickweed look ridiculous...
embarrassment and ridicule are your friends!
about going into Joe's office?
We ought to start a campaign to warn her...They've found the bodies of dead girls in there...
A hundred thousand e-mails ought to do the trick...
"Trust you", I think not Joe...The fact is, Ali Soufan's relevations regarding interrogation techniques are not new. He came out long ago and expressed his opinions about the ineffectiveness of waterboarding or other EIT(or whatever euphemism you care to use regarding torture).
Guys like Scarborough and other right-leaning pundits will go to their grave to support an ill-conceived directive rather than admitting, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that their position and argument is completly misguided.
Years ago the ACLU got access to a lot of the CIA and FBI paperwork, memos, orders, etc., relating to torture under the FOIA and put them on the ACLU website.
I slogged through nearly all of them, heavy redactions and all.
In them there were several exchanges between people in the FBI who were trying to clarify their role in prisoner interrogations, which had been complicated by the CIA's doing the same thing at the same place and time. They concluded that they weren't sure what official standards the CIA operated by but they were different and far more severe for the prisoners than FBI interrogators were allowed under their official standards. There was also a mention of an Executive Order by Bush authorizing the "enhanced" methods of interrogation.
So, Joe, you don't know your ass from your elbow. By law and regulation, the FBI wasn't *allowed* to use the interrogation techniques used by the CIA, so they continued to operate with standard non-torture interrogations. No wonder they got better information.
Well I say;
Must be that liberal bias the truth is always demonstrating.
Joe,
Surprisingly enough, there is a big difference between opinion and fact. Any jerk like you can have an opinion, but facts require verification from credible sources.
Of course, most of us recognize that you aren't a credible source so we take your arrogant pontificating for what it's worth---nothing. Just because they give you a big salary and important sounding title does not earn you instant respect and admiration---that has to be earned.
So stop degrading your sorry industry and cease being the propaganda arm for the GOP---no matter what your corporate masters tell you.
Scarborough is a neanderthal, a blowhard, and a bully. Is it really any wonder that he's going to believe that torture is both useful and effective regardless of sworn testimony to the contrary? What I find most chilling is that it seems to be more and more acceptable in our society to be an unabashed torture enthusiast.
Why is it when there is substaial proof the Racist Nazis Party of America tries discrediting those in the know.
Yet they back up Spineless Gutless American Traitor cheney, Drug abuser Antoi American limbaugh, American Traitors rove, addington, delay.
Scarboroughs a real scum bag he must have Turners papers memorized.
It makes make blood boil that these members of the Goofy Opposition Party (GOP) these guys HATE America and the proof is in who they associate with. Self proclaimed American Traitors and Bigots and Anti Americans
"The truth shall set ye free" in the clip. Needs an addendum though - does not include photographic truth - that of course will enslave you.
find any dead interns in your office lately?
Next I expect Joe to start claiming they never actually tortured anybody - the nanny did it.
Joe Scarborough is just like Bill O'Mousedick and Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and Neil Cavuto and Sthteve Dothy. Obviously he is on the wrong network. He should head right over to Faux and take Mika, his parrot who has NEVER had a thought of her own, with him.
You can always tell something's a bad idea if Fox news thinks it's a great one.
Those photos need to be released, immediately.
Make the criminals squirm. It will be the final nail in the coffin for the GOP.
Isn't it odd that the more he sinks into his own bewildered befuddlement... the more the Republicans put him up in front as a national spokesperson!
just dripping with contradiction. "the truth will come out and it will set you free." But the photos? Scarbourough thinks keeping the photos secret is a good Idea. Guess them there photos wont be setting anyone free any time soon will they Scarbourough. What a putz.
Yeah, just trust him, and you can tell she does. The FBI hates the CIA so much that they are lying and saying that these techniques don't work. Gee, where have I heard that before. FROM EVERYBODY that knows what they are talking about. Oh, except Joe Cryboro and just trust him. They are making it all up because you know the FBI hates the CIA as much as Joe hates thinking.
on the second day of President Obama's presidency that we were less safe. Huh?
I can top that with facts.
I KNEW on the FIRST DAY of Joe S. Show on MSNBC, that network was doomed.
When is MSNBC going to get rid of Joe Scarborough. Do we have to start a campaign to get rid of him? We need MSNBC to be MSNBC all day and have a progressive voice driving the discussion.
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