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Conservatives Ignore GWB Record on Terrorist Trials

It's been a popular refrain by conservatives that the Detroit Underwear Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, ought to be turned over to the military so that he can be "squeezed" for information. Yes, that's because it's worked so well in the past... but more to the point, how's the former administration's track record on civil and military trials of terrorist suspects? From the UK's Guardian:

The Bush administration -- in which Liz Cheney's papa held a fairly high position, you might recall -- prosecuted, after 9-11, 828 people on terrorism charges in civilian courts. At the time of publication of this excellent report from the Center on Law and Security, NYU School of Law last year, trials were still pending against 235 of those folks. That leaves 593 resolved indictments, of which 523 were convicted of some crime, for a conviction rate of 88%.

With regard to military tribunals, the Bush administration inaugurated 20 such cases. So far just three convictions have been won. The highest-profile is the conviction of Salim Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's driver. The Hamdan legal saga, rehearsed here, doesn't exactly suggest that military tribunals provide swifter and surer and tougher justice. In the end, he was convicted all right, but sentenced -- not by a bunch of New York City Democrats, but by a military jury! -- to five and half years.

Then, the tribunal judge, a US Navy captain, gave Hamdan credit for time served, which was five years. So he served six months after conviction. Today he's back in -- guess where? -- Yemen.

Now far be it for us to accuse the Republicans, Faux News, and many conservatives of deliberate hypocrisy. But it's hard to look at the numbers and then suggest that the right-wing hysteria is anything but deliberate political gamesmanship without any regard to due process or actually addressing the threat of terrorism.

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Handypants's picture

No surprise. GWB was the real "war on terra" warrior.

One little typo - hypocrisy not hypocracy.

:)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

project's picture

accept the lie of the day. They will be on that like a ground hog on a watermelon!

pissed off patricia's picture

I've learned something here. I didn't know ground hogs liked watermelon.

This morning on Morning Joe someone said the republicans are like a bunch of fat ladies at a milkshake store, they're all grabbing for straws. I'm sure that's PC incorrect but it did make me laugh.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Handypants's picture
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That is funny - I've heard it before and it is only offensive to fat ladies grabbing at straws so . . .

:)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Tax the Rich's picture

Why the hell is Liz Cheney on television?

What freaking expertise does she have other than being a rightwing nutjob, lying psychotic, american hating corporate fascist POS, who has landed in the GOP nepotism turd pile?

What? That's why she's on television. Great.


Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.

in his portfolio that's why she gets unlimited bookings.

pissed off patricia's picture

If her last name were Jones we would never have heard of her. She's riding on her last name and nothing more. She's carrying her dad's water or in this case bucket of hate.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Evet's picture

. . he has GE stock too (MSNBC)

kwt3200's picture

You just presented her "credentials". Think of TV as show business. The very things that you revile are the same "qualities" that network TV is looking for. Sensationalism trumps integrity. Nobody wants to look at boring. They want to look at somebody way out there, like weepy Glenn Beck or blasphemous Ann Coulter. Call it what you want, but it makes entertaining TV for the tractor drivers.

Evet's picture

LOL . . seriously if you haven't gotten the conservative mindset by now your toast.

Dateline Baghdad 2108's picture

is Dick Cheney himself.


Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here

Handypants's picture
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I have heard a microwave oven can put a spike in his black heart. . . (pacemaker)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Evet's picture

Shares of Halliburton Co. rose to a new year high Friday after a Goldman Sachs analyst upgraded the oilfield services giant.

"far be it for us to accuse the Republicans, Faux News, and many conservatives of deliberate hypocrisy" ? Huh ? Liars and hypocrites is exactly and truly what they are , I have no problem stating that fact . Did you people here the news ? Fox just signed Palin on as a contributor , sounds like a long term deal and maybe her own time slot . LMAO ! Damn , it just keeps better and better doesn't it ? Rupert is pulling out all of the stops , the new loony tunes cartoon channel .

Evet's picture

He's got everyone$ ear$ in the business. I bet we will see some real surprises this year. New faces we would least expect to see head to Fox.

Some real "shockers".

Geazer's picture

Should read: "Conservatives And MSM Ignore GWB Record on Terrorist Trials"
Thus the Goppers and Cons get away with their faux outrage.


"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man

Handypants's picture
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"Thus the Goppers and Cons get away with their faux outrage."

That's outrageous! (but true)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Evet's picture

"Cahoots" I guess the saying is.

theWalrus's picture

Should read: "Conservatives And MSM and most Americans Ignore GWB Record on Terrorist Trials"

Funny how none of these military tribunal fetishists mention Richard Reid, the shoe bomber who was sentenced to multiple consecutive life terms 7 years ago.

Reid is in long-term solitary confinement at the Federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado. Reid and his prison-mates (Eric Rudolph, Robert Hanssen, Jose Padilla, Ramzi Yousef, Terry Nichols, The Unabomber, etc) are kept in a sterile, sensory-deprived environment that violates humane standards for imprisonment practiced in every other Western country, and does not meet basic requirements for the treatment of POWs under the Geneva Conventions.

Cheney and his evil mouthpiece daughter have it backwards. Conviction in a civilian court and imprisonment in a Supermax is the worst punishment that can be meted out to a terrorist.

Handypants's picture
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GITMO has rice pilaf and music.

Didn't Duncan Hunter (or one of the other kooks) go on and on about how nice GITMO really was?

Why would we want to send someone convicted of anything there?

Just sayin'


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Shadowgm's picture

... Lieberfucker, McCain and/or Huckleberry Graham made similar comments.

i sure wish folks would learn how to spell the fucker:

hypocrisy --
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.

Got that Aitch Wy Pee Oh See Are Eye Ess Wy...h y p o c r i s y

see how easy?

(Duly noted. It will be corrected very soon. Since you're the new spelling policeman. I'll be sure to watch out for your spelling woody.
You know, since no one can make a mistake now.SiteMonitor)

Shadowgm's picture

... librul eleetust intralexshoe-al. Or mebbe part of that 'goshya medea' Sarah keeps talkin' bout.

Bonkers's picture

Jus' sayin'.


I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.

Woody, dude, take a chill pill.

Bonkers's picture

Well,I won't take gardening advice from people who piss on their lawns and wonder why the grass won't grow.

Republicans...they are the assholes at the back of the classroom throwing spitballs and making farting noises.

Feh.


I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.

kwt3200's picture

what a surprise, Republicans lying again.

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