Independent probe clears ACORN of illegality, but says videos that were taped were heavily edited!
ACORN hired a former Attorney General, Scott Harshbarger of Massachusetts, to conduct an independent review of how ACORN operated after those sleazy videos were released by FOX. The resulting report concludes that ACORN did not engage in any criminal behavior, even though some of it looked pretty out there.
ACORN, the community organizing group which found itself embroiled in the latest of several controversies after some of its workers were recorded providing advice to a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute, was cleared of illegality in the matter by the former Massachusetts attorney general.
But Scott Harshbarger, the lawyer ACORN hired to conduct a review, criticized the organization for bad management which it said contributed to the ACORN's problems. A major problem, he said, was that the organization grew too quickly, neglecting training of its workers and other essentials.
Harshbarger says this about their conduct:
While some of the advice and counsel given by ACORN employees and volunteers was clearly inappropriate and unprofessional, we did not find a pattern of intentional, illegal conduct by ACORN staff; in fact, there is no evidence that action, illegal or otherwise, was taken by any ACORN employee on behalf of the videographers. Instead, the videos represent the byproduct of ACORN's longstanding management weaknesses, including a lack of training, a lack of procedures, and a lack of on-site supervision.
ACORN has always claimed that these were isolated instances and not a systemic problem, though this report suggests that they were at least a product of systemic disorganization, something ACORN obviously needs to repair.
What the report does say, moreover, is that the rogue videographers edited the videos and likely manipulated the final product:
Harshbarger also notes that the videos were sometimes less than perfect representations of the events they depict. He writes:
>The videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.
In the wake of the scandal, Congress voted to cut off all federal funds from ACORN. In response, the group is suing the US government, arguing that the measure is a bill of attainder, and therefore unconstitutional.
A real news network would have spent the time necessary to prove the accuracy of the tapes. FOX News never tried to act like a news organization when they received the tapes. It's their responsibility as journalists to verify the information the tapes contain, but instead FOX repeatedly aired them in hopes of destroying ACORN, a group that has a history of great work with lower-income families. The damage has been done as Congress joined in the vilification process.
Proof, once again, that this is not a news network. It's a propaganda mill posing as one.

expecting anything less than blatant partisan hackery from the Fauxlks at Fox.
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Look...In all fairness...This was not a "independent probe" and it didn't "clear" anyone of anything.
It's simply a private "governance assessment" by a private firm hired by Acorn to (among other things):
"Evaluate the management and governance reforms that ACORN’s new leadership has developed since June 2008 (when news surfaced of embezzlement by a relative of ACORN’s founder, Wade Rathke) and the effectiveness of ongoing efforts to implement those reforms".
Its an audit. There's nothing wrong with it...Its just not an "investigation" and to characterize it as such is pushing it.
Just sayin.
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
The only place we know there are no ACORNS are in the underwear of Democrats.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
are) of Democrats. Yeah/Right like .. half the population...., but speak for yourself tiny .... acorns?
Beck already had a cow over this last night. Of course he said the people who investigated were all criminals so the investigation shouldn't mean anything. Yeah, that's Beck's world and empty head.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
. . . is the alleged voiceover. If it turns out that the interviews were edited to alter the conversation so as to portray ACORN in a negative light, someone's going to get sued, in addition to charges related to recording the employees without their knowledge or consent.
the misguided Democrats who voted to defund ACORN before a full investigation had been conducted on the validity of the videos. Shame on them!
That's cause the Dems have no ACORNS.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
And everyone of them should be made to publically read this article:
http://www.openleft.com/diary/16349/behind-th...
This bashing of ACORN by Fox and the other lying propagandists is despicable. And stampeding to cut off their funding without proper investigation is blatant cowardice and pandering. As John rightly notes, it is a bill of attainder, done without proper cause or justification. ACORN is suing to restore the funding. I hope they win and teach these political wimps a lesson.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Thanks for the link
is part of the Republican program to deny the vote to the poor. The democrats were cowards to vote for the bill of attainer to defund ACORN.
I don't think POX has a future.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"A real news network would have spent the time necessary to prove the accuracy of the tapes."
Does anybody know where I can find a real news network these days?
I think they all went unreal when they switched to digital signal.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
It's so pointless to paint Fox as the only problem.
Where were CNN and the rest to dispute the bullshit?
Nowhere to be found, due to collusion.
The whole good cop / bad cop mentality is bad enough, but that people continue to fall for the bullshit is astounding.
"As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it."
Dick Cavett
Or maybe the opposite:
"As long as it is financially profitable to dispense this crap people accept it"
Sooner or later people have to turn off the BS-box. It is mass media manipulation.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Democracy Now hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez. If you have DIRECTV you can watch them on LinkTV channel. Or you can go to their website - http://www.democracynow.org/
Sorry no can do. Direct TV is a Murdoch company. I catch Democracy Now on Dish TV..
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doesn't Congress file charges AGAINST FoX or something. At the very least reinstate ACORN funding?
That would require the Dems to show some ACORNS.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Finally, a "pair" of something I can grow. I can grow two acorns. Yea, now I will be strong like man. Acorns good! Oaks to follow.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Uhhh... I don't know. Maybe Congress shouldn't file charges against every new agency that prints something that they don't want to hear. That might conflict a little bit with a piece of paper we call 'The Bill of Rights'. Besides, what you people are refusing to hear is that this 'independant probe' was conducted by ACORN. I'm sure that they were completely unbiased (sarcasm)
....."you people"??
;)
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
A cut above. At least, that's what I mean when I use it on a group of 'others.'
:D
me-oww!
So, how do you know when you are "a cut above" a group of 'others'?
you seem to have the knack ("Besides, what you people are refusing to hear..."). You tell 'us people.'
For me, it's understanding when one's leg is being gently pulled.
me-oww!
Hop away you toad.
By 'you people' I mean the majority of posters. It just seems like there is a little hypocrisy going on here. A lot of people are calling Fox News unreliable but are perfectly willing to accept a 'probe' of wrong doing commisioned by the org. that is accused of wrong doing. I dont watch Fox News because the talking heads annoy the crap out of me, but I don't want my government to interfere with anything they are doing. I don't hear anyone calling MSNBC 'faux news'. It is obviously biased and I watch it (only Morning Joe). But I guess, from what I've read so far, this website adores MSNBC. I guess its because they say more of what you want to hear, be it truth or not, and that is what's important (?).
Unless you're channeling Hunter from beyond the grave, nerve level at stunning. No acorns for you. You have boulders.
Spare us your opinionated projection and generalizations, please. And you would be wrong about MSNBC, the only two things they do right are Olbermann and Maddow, frankly you can have Scarborough and the rest of MSNBC idiotocracy.
Your opinion of this probe is just that, an opinion, not a fact. And believe it or not, there is a difference in those concepts--to thinking people.
If you want the facts, then let me repost this for your education:
http://www.openleft.com/diary/16349/behind-th...
I'm sick of people like you trashing this organization's good works with your made up bullshit. Every time someone lends a hand to empower the disadvantaged you Neocon Marie Antoinettes piss your pants. If you want a genuine enemy to go after try Blackwater, for starters. They are about as malicious and malignant as they come---sanctioning illegal activities like murder so we can be "safer".
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Even better than sanctioning. The US government sanctions them by running interference for them with other country's governments (Iraq and Pakistan) and by awarding them contracts for billions, yes, billions of dollars. Want to know where the 9 billion that disappeared from Iran went? Ask Big Dick who he gave it to. I'll bet the answer rhymes with "Whackslaughter/Pee." But that has been obvious for years, hasn't it?
And on another subject do you think it's a coincidence that Erik Prince is distancing himself from Blackwater now that he was named as a co-conspirator to murder in a Virginia indictment about a month ago?
Nope.
I hope the convict the bastard and lock him up for good--in Gitmo--where he can be the sole inhabitant.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
You mean the Limbaugh & Hannity of the Left. Partisanism is partisanism regaurdless of what side it comes from and thats why this country is having the problems it is haveing. Two parties, both crooks, we pick a side, attack the other side for ripping us off while the 'our' side robs us blind. When I saw a website called "Crooks and Liars", I thought it would be holding both parties to the fire because they are both crooks and liars. It appears that this is just place for back patting partisans to get together and have pep rallys. Example: I typed 'Charles Rangel' in the search bar and all that came up was when he was gonna be on tv. I am far from a neo-con. I am a slave to no party but as long as people are, nothing in this country will ever change. End this BS 2 party system if you want real 'change'.
How can anyone believe that anyone, much less Fox, will accept the findings of an indpendent review that ACORN paid for? What am I missing here?
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
So just when we will see any of this on a MSM news. My bet is Countdown and maybe Ratchel will be the end of this.
In the minds of the right ACORN are the people who stole "their" country from them and gave it too a black president and this piece of video fakery promoted by faux has gone on to help.
as bad. ANYTHING. Soup kitchens--socialistic. City Mission--socialistic. Medicaid--socialistic. Food pantries--socialistic. And socialism is evil incarnate. There is no appeasing these selfish wooden headed pigs. Why does anyone even try? They need to be steamrolled. This mentality is put in place by big corporations that want to distract from the real problem, which I assume most everyone here is familiar with--the corporate take-over of the entire government. What to do? What to do?
Leave it to wimpy Democrats to rush to side with the GOP fascists and defund ACORN. Yet, KBR builds showers known to electrocute our troops and there's no outrage or a move to defund them. Their contracts are renewed. We really are a backwards country sometimes.
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Pretty much.
"heavily edited..."....sounds like these videographers interned with Sean Hannity.
Yes, everyone knows about FOX. Old news. The more interesting item is that Democrats joined in on the attack on Acorn -- no questions asked. They just do what the GOP tells them. It is LONG since time for them to grow up. Everyone from the senators to the talking heads in DC (like Al Hunt).
At first, I found this sort of amusing. But by now it is sick. I know -- everyone will think I am a crazed librul. Just like those fighting against civil rights said about my father in the 1950s -- in Arkansas. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Its must be against some law for somebody to create a video tape where the questions were faked to destroy an organization's reputation. Fox is probably totally responsible for this travesty.
Harry Reid to the GOP..."I'll ensure that there is no public option in the healthcare bill, limits on abortion and more privatization if you'll just fondle my ACORNS."
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
You mean the Limbaugh & Hannity of the Left. Partisanism is partisanism regaurdless of what side it comes from and thats why this country is having the problems it is haveing. Two parties, both crooks, we pick a side, attack the other side for ripping us off while the 'our' side robs us blind. When I saw a website called "Crooks and Liars", I thought it would be holding both parties to the fire because they are both crooks and liars. It appears that this is just place for back patting partisans to get together and have pep rallys. Example: I typed 'Charles Rangel' in the search bar and all that came up was when he was gonna be on tv. I am far from a neo-con. I am a slave to no party but as long as people are, nothing in this country will ever change. End this BS 2 party system if you want real 'change'.
While Olbermann and Maddow are partisans they don't make things up. They'd lose their credibility with their audience if they did. Limbaugh and Hannity have said inflammatory things proven to be demonstrably false with no consequences for them. Maddow has more journalistic integrity in her pinky than either Limbaugh or Hannity have in their whole bodies. Stop with the false equivalence.
But fans of Limbaugh & Hannity would say that Olbermann & Maddow are making things up and that Limbaugh & Hannity are the ones telling the truth. You are more inclined to believe the person you agree with. I personally don't listen to or watch any of the four; I don't know who is lying or who is telling the truth (I bet it is a mixture of both for all of them). I do believe it is our duty to question everything they say & verify it for ourselves instead of believing what we want to believe and calling what we don't want to believe a lie.
And join what? The Teabagger party? That would prob work for you Dr. But no thank you. There are enough crazies in my life without having to "join" anything.
Just once I'd like to be addressed as Sir. Without the "You are creating a scene"
The teabaggers are mainly Republicans or some variation. You are helping to prove my point by assuming that just because you think I don't agree with you that I must be a Republican right wing wacko. To me, we are the wackos who keep voting for these people just because of the letter next to their names (R or D), & expecting that they are going to be something different. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over expecting a different result. Why does everything have to be my team vs. your team? Why do we accept this system where there are basically two people to choose from every election? All I am saying is that Republicans and Democrats are BOTH taking turns bending us (the common people) over & having their way with us. I mean, the Democrats currently enjoy one of the biggest majorities in history and they still can't get anything positive done (unless you think sending more troops to war is positive). If you are a democrat, are you really happy with what they've done so far this year? For me, there is no party for me to join because there aren't many people talking about running for anything right now that I feel I can't trust not to just fall in line with the current DC machine.
Why does a canidate have to belong to a 'party' period? Seems to me that the whole idea of 'parties' just means that the elected official has to answer to his/her respective 'party'. So even though we vote for a peticular person, you have to wonder how much freedom that he/she has to implement his/her own ideas. Are these parties, which in reality are gigantic corporations run by people that are NOT elected by us, the ones really pulling the strings? Obama's bizarre behavior since being elected makes me think so.
Also, the Founding Fathers made no mention of political parties in the Constitution as far as I know. We just go along with it because that is all we've ever known.
I can't.
Sorry, but ACORN HIRED THEM. Saying it's an Independent investigation is no different than the Republicans citing the Lewan Group for health care study information - it's bullshit.
I don't think ACORN as an institution has done anything wrong, but to use THIS as proof of it, is just not right. We need to stop this kind of hackery both on the left and on the right or else we're just going to be stuck in this never ending downward spiral.
Love the site John, but I do think you might be in the wrong here.
Again, there's nothing wrong with an internal governance audit but this 'story' is not what it was billed as.
Its not only mischaracterized but more importantly it was waaaay overplayed.
If the Right had put this out we'd all be calling BS.
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
They haven't done anything wrong. What the writers have to do is break the big words like illegal, remember, teabaggers (are inbred and repubeulans are attempting to piece the what they are looking at together. To them it is ill e gal or ill egal these are NOT the brightess people in the world.
Please keep the article shorter and add more pictures these Nazis and hate mongers aren't the brightess, and shine very bright lights because theyare COWARDS and afraid of their shadow.
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