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Alan Grayson hit back today at the Republicans who said he should apologize for his biting attack against them. He got honest about the Republican plan for health care reform: "Don't get sick. That's right, don't get sick." That has them screaming.

Well, how quickly they forget what they've been saying about Obamacare. Stuff like the phony death panels and let's kill Grandma. That kind of stuff. Here's what Grayson had to say in response to the whining.

Grayson: Last night here in this chamber I gave a speech. I’m not going to recount every single thing that I said, but I will point out that immediately after that speech, several Republicans asked me to apologize. Well, I would like to apologize. I would like to apologize to the dead. And here’s why. According to this study, “Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults” which was published two weeks ago, 44,789 Americans die every year because they have no health insurance. That’s right, 44,789 Americans die every year, according to this Harvard study called “Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults.” You can see it by going to our website, grayson.house.gov. That is more than ten times the number of Americans who have died in the war in Iraq.

It’s more than ten times the number of Americans who died in 9/11. But that was just once: this is every single year. That’s right: every single year. Take a look at this. Read it and weep. And I mean that – read it and weep because of all these Americans who are dying because they don’t have health insurance.

Now I think we should do something about that, and the Democratic health care plan does do something about that. It makes health care affordable for those who can’t afford insurance, and it saves these peoples’ lives. Let’s remember that we should care about people even after they’re born. So I call upon the Democratic members of the House, I call upon the Republican members of the House, I call upon all of us to do our jobs for the sake of America – for the sake of those dying people and their families. I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven’t voted sooner to end this holocaust in America.

Wow, simply amazing. The attacks are coming fast and furious on Grayson...

Ryan Grim writes this for Huffington Post: Despite Outrage, Many House Republicans Have Said Dem Health Care Will Kill People

By contrast, charges that the opposition's health care plan will kill people have been about as common on the House floor lately as resolutions naming post offices.

Take Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.), who said in July: "Last week, Democrats released a health care bill which essentially said to America's seniors: drop dead."

Or Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), a doctor, who reviewed the public health insurance option in July and diagnosed that it is "gonna kill people."

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.), not one to pull punches, suggested on the House floor that Congress "make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

July was a busy time for House floor death sentences. Also that month, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), noted: "One in five people have to die because they went to socialized medicine...I would hate to think that among five women, one of 'em is gonna die because we go to socialized care."

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) had a similar assessment. "They're going to save money by rationing care, getting you in a long line. Places like Canada, United Kingdom, and Europe. People die when they're in line," he said on the House floor in July.

So far, none of the members of Congress who made such charges have apologized.

The Republicans had eight years of uninterrupted rule to overhaul our health-care system and did nothing except help the rich and start wars. And now, when the chance finally comes for them to step up and help American families, they just say no.

Don't forget to Get Grayson's Back.

UPDATE: Mike Stark says: I interview Republican Leaders: clutching pearls, fainting spells and cowardice

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He was just on CNN with Wolf. Ya gotta love this guy. Please try to get the whole clip. It was great (and sad that people are so SHOCKED when someone finally speaks the truth).

And just when you think Republican hypocrisy can't get any more blatant - it DOES! (Lou Dobbs head just exploded! "Why did Joe Wilson get called out but not Grayson...blah...blah...blah...)

gump's picture

How the hell can you listen to Lou Dobbs? You are a bigger man than I.


is intended to be a factual statement

Only because Michael Moore is coming on. That's the only reason.

Floridiot's picture
LOL

He had Carville gasping for air after calling them "knuckle dragging neanderthals"

Grayson said what he did.

Look out Mary Matlin--it's gonna be a rough night for you, hon...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

BigIslandDave's picture

... because he called the president a liar, which is patently untrue. He interrupted an important speech to Congress. He acted the fool and buffoon, an indecorous lout.

Grayson merely spoke truth to power. (About time, all you timid Dems out there.)

A false equivalency. But then, Republicans are THE masters of hypocrisy and double standards.

BID

make the same false equivalence. Then I remembered, it's CNN- Corporate Non News.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

roooth's picture

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SadButTrue's picture

(other than the obvious single-digit response that Lou always deserves)

Any comparison between Alan Grayson's behavior and that of Joe Wilson is what's known as creating a false equivalency.

In the first place, what Grayson said is true, whereas Wilson's outburst was not only untrue, but went against all rules of parliamentary decorum in accusing the POTUS of lying -- when he demonstrably wasn't.

Whatever else you may say about the provocative nature of Grayson speaking the truth, HE HAD THE FLOOR, and was entitled to speak. How could anyone not notice this most salient point? Again, what Wilson did was in sharp contrast in going against the very principles of polite debate under Roberts Rules of Order.

All the clutching of pearls by Dobbs and Wolf Blitzer in the hour preceding him can't change those facts -- and only point out that the 'liberal' CNN is just FOX dressed up in a sheepskin.


"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."

lex's picture

Thank you Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL)for your honesty and courage!!!

Why aren’t more Democrat’s standing up to the evil and criminal Republican/Conservative’s who promote lies, intimidation, violence, hate and fear???
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/e...

Mike_1776's picture

This speech should be bronzed.I weep with you Congressman Grayson, I Sir, have your back.

Rufus's picture

I love this guy. He should be the official Democratic spokesman when ever the Republican BS detector goes off. Which is often.

Phoenix Justice's picture

Sorry to say, but he would never get any sleep. The only time the Republican's aren't spouting bullshit is when their mouths are closed.


Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!

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roooth's picture
lol

From your mouth to God's ear!

Different Anonymous's picture
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So that would make 122 people that have died between last night's speech and today, because they lack healthcare.

Staggering, just staggering. How could anybody with a conscience find that acceptable in any way shape or form?

Kudos to Rep. Grayson. Now where's the rest of your party?

I’m sorry Limbaugh called for harsh sentences for drug addicts while he was a drug addict. I’m also sorry that he’s bent on seeing America fail. And I’m sorry that Limbaugh is one sorry excuse for a human being.”

Go Alan!


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

taters local 839's picture

Strongly and articulately voicing what we've been screaming at our monitors for months now!!

Thanks for the Limbaugh link. :)

fastfeat's picture

Thanks.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

virgo47tp's picture

as Ass Kicking Czar

Mike_1776's picture

I second that nomination for Ass Kicking Czar. Can we get two Faberge eggs and make them look like an ass? Beck could have a field day with his Freudian angst and sexual repression, it's a twofer!

JohnnyBravo's picture

More Dems like Grayson need to stand up and call bullshit on the ReThugs.


NOBODY 2012

calgarylady's picture

May the fourth be with you!

(sorry, couldn't resist)

;)

liberalNmoderation's picture
HA!

Nice one calgarylady!
I fifth that!

taters local 839's picture

Alan Grayson, AKC.

Also, he gets one of those Big Ass-Kickin' boots from that Australian Simpsons episode.

liberalNmoderation's picture

without a Big Ass-Kickin Boot!

roooth's picture

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virtue's picture
I

don't understand how they know that lack of health insurance killed over 44,000 people. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that over 44,000 people who died didn't have health insurance?

the methodology Harvard used to determine the numbers.

Objectives. A 1993 study found a 25% higher risk of death among uninsured compared with privately insured adults. We analyzed the relationship between uninsurance and death with more recent data.
Methods. We conducted a survival analysis with data from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. We analyzed participants aged 17 to 64 years to determine whether uninsurance at the time of interview predicted death.
Results. Among all participants, 3.1% (95% confidence interval [CI]=2.5%, 3.7%) died. The hazard ratio for mortality among the uninsured compared with the insured, with adjustment for age and gender only, was 1.80 (95% CI=1.44,
2.26). After additional adjustment for race/ethnicity, income, education, self- and physician-rated health status, body mass index, leisure exercise, smoking, and regular alcohol use, the uninsured were more likely to die (hazard ratio=1.40; 95% CI=1.06, 1.84) than those with insurance.
Conclusions. Uninsurance is associated with mortality. The strength of that association appears similar to that from a study that evaluated data from the mid-1980s, despite changes in medical therapeutics and the demography of the uninsured since that time. (Am J Public Health. 2009;99:jjj–jjj. doi:10.2105/
AJPH.2008.157685)


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

virtue's picture

Sorry for your trouble, I should have looked into it.

Michelle's picture

No trouble. I was once accused of being too helpful. ;o}


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SFnomad's picture

Thanks Michelle for the info.

rwm's picture

of reading the study and the methodology the researchers used to come to that conclusion?

miss_kitty's picture

as usual

miss_kitty's picture

TOTALLY HYPOCRITICAL:

His latest speech drew an immediate rebuke from Republicans: “Alan Grayson not only refuses to apologize, he is doubling down on his despicable remarks and he is dragging his party with him. This is an individual who has established a pathological pattern of unstable behavior. He is derailing the national debate on healthcare reform and embarrassing his constituents as a result. Now, more than ever, Speaker Pelosi should end her silence and demand an apology,” Ken Spain, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a statement.

He is derailing the national debate on healthcare reform
Really? Brought to you by the loser party who had to drop everything and defund ACORN.
Can you see how TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE REFORM derails the national debate? Tell us how that works, Ken Spain. What an embarrassment you are to the human race, dude.

JohnnyBravo's picture

I wonder if Ken Spain feels the same way about Addy Wilson. I thought so :-)


NOBODY 2012

Go Alan Grayson!!!!!! The Democrats need to defend themselves like this all the time. Why do you think that President Obama went on most of the Sunday talk shows at once? It was to defend himself against Republicans who think he is incompetent & stupid. Of course, Conservatives are better than Liberals in society. I will continue to say that until I am proven wrong. After all, everybody loves Sarah Palin; she can do no wrong in Conservatives' eyes. She might even win the Presidential election because of that. It seems to me we are a Conservative society, not a Liberal one. There are not many people like Alan Grayson on our side in Congress today.

Mike_1776's picture

Guys, gals help we with this one, I'm going to have to think about what this op is trying to say.

Edit, wait, it think it's snark!
Mark you need to label your snark or go really over the edge so it's obvious, kthnx.

BigIslandDave's picture

Uh, for starters, conservatives AREN'T better than liberals. As caring, kind, empathetic, intelligent human beings, they're vastly inferior. (With a few scattered exceptions, of course.)

BID

Mark C.'s picture

Then why does the MSM think this way? They all hate Obama

Tyler Durden's picture

I will continue to say that until I am prove wrong.

rwm's picture

we’re beginning to hear from some Democrats that don’t feel they need to fall all over themselves to be “fair” to the opposition party. Maybe Grayson will start a movement.

we can only hope

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) had a similar assessment. "They're going to save money by rationing care, getting you in a long line. Places like Canada, United Kingdom, and Europe. People die when they're in line," he said on the House floor in July.

What a crock of SHIT!

Is he married? I wish to make him my third husband.

Kate's picture

... and his kids have cool New Age/neopagan names, so maybe they would welcome you and both of your husbands to their home life...

From his website's bio:

There is right, and there is wrong. We in Central Florida have sent someone to Washington who fights for what’s right.

Our Congressman, Alan Grayson, grew up in the tenements in the Bronx. It was a hard life. He had to be a fighter to survive.

His parents were teachers. They made great sacrifices, to make sure that Alan received the best education.

Alan was a sick child. His mother took him to the hospital four times a week for treatment. Without health coverage, he would not be alive today. He remembers that.

Alan rode the subway to school each day, and he worked hard. He was the valedictorian of his junior high school. By passing a test, he was admitted to an exclusive public high school. In high school, he achieved the highest test score among almost 50,000 students who took the test. Harvard College saw something in him, and admitted him.

For Alan, life at Harvard wasn’t easy. Alan cleaned toilets, and worked as a night watchman. Yet he earned a bachelor’s degree in only three years, with high honors, and he was Phi Beta Kappa. Alan graduated from Harvard in the top two percent of his class.

Alan took economics classes at Harvard, and he worked as an economist after college. But he felt a calling to learn more. He returned to Harvard. In only four years, Alan received a J.D. with honors from Harvard Law School, and a master’s degree from the Harvard School of Government, and Alan finished all of the course work and passed the general exams for a Ph.D. in Government.

Alan’s master’s thesis was on the important subject of gerontology – how to improve the health of older people. Alan called for the creation of an organization to support research on the health of seniors. Shortly after he left school, Alan formed such an organization: the Alliance for Aging Research. Alan served as an officer of the Alliance for 22 years. Alan’s Alliance has increased federal support for aging research by 500%, leading to breakthroughs in the treatment of blindness, weak bones, Alzheimer’s disease, and other afflictions of the elderly. The motto of the Alliance is “Living to 100 – and Loving It.”

Wall Street firms recruited Alan heavily when he graduated from Harvard Law School, but Alan chose to be a judge’s assistant instead. For two years, he worked with such luminaries as Judge (now Justice) Ginsburg, Judge (now Justice) Scalia, Judge Mikva, Judge Bork, and others. After that, he accepted an invitation to join the law firm where Judge Ginsburg’s husband was a partner.

From the beginning of his legal career, Alan gravitated toward the important question of how the Government spends the taxpayers’ money. He mastered the incredibly complex rules regarding government contracting, and represented hundreds of clients in that field.

In the early 1990s, Alan took leave from the practice of law and started a business. Alan was the first President of IDT Corp., a telecom/Internet company. The business started on the second floor of a funeral home. It grew to be a $2-billion-a-year business on the Fortune 1000 list, and traded on the New York Stock Exchange. In short, Alan has lived the American Dream, starting a successful business and seeing it grow.

Later, Alan decided to leave that business and return to the practice of law. Alan and his wife also decided to move to Orlando and raise a family. Their first child, Skye, was born in 1995. Now they have five children: Skye, Star, Sage, Storm and Stone. Storm and Stone, twins, were born in 2005.

After Alan went back to the field of government contracts law, he began to represent whistleblowers who witnessed fraud against the Government. Alan brought more and more False Claims Act cases on behalf of those whistleblowers against fraudulent contractors. After the war in Iraq began, Alan was the only attorney who was willing to pursue such cases, in the face of hostility from the Bush Administration. Congress called on Alan four times to testify about contractor fraud in Iraq. Taxpayers Against Fraud named Alan Grayson its Lawyer of the Year. Public Justice also recognized Alan for his work. The Wall Street Journal lauded Alan, saying that he was “waging a one-man war against contractor fraud in Iraq.” And Vanity Fair published an 11-page profile.

Alan’s mammoth struggle against contractor fraud has been applauded by liberals and conservatives alike. And now that he is in Congress, he can do even more to protect the taxpayers. He has joined the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittees of both the House Financial Services Committee and the House Science and Technology Committee. There, Alan does what he has been doing for decades – “keeping ’em honest.” And furthermore, with a quarter century of experience in how the Government spends its money, Alan can help to direct more of that money to Central Florida, where we need it.

fastfeat's picture

I'm here working in Orlando right now. Much of this area is pretty RW, especially in Winter Park where I'm working. It's great to be in the guy's district, even if just for awhile, all while lush and KKKlannity are bashing him (only RW radio here in Central FL) on the radio.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

roooth's picture

WP is RW - so is a lot of Orlando, but we went blue the last few elections. Seminole Co. is far worse.

Don't listen to radio here - except for maybe Jim Phillips, 'The Phillips file' 104.1 @ 3-7pm.

And, have you been over to the Mills-50 area? There's a very cool coffeehouse called Seven Sisters.

Enjoy!

fastfeat's picture

Is that where all the funky restaurants are too? I've got a buddy who works at Leu Gardens I need to see, so I'll try to check out Seven Sisters.

Agreed about Seminole Co. I go to Debbi's Bar off Howell Branch--not too bad, but Cheers on 17-92 is all redneck, all the time. Plus, they sell crap gin as Tanqueray.

Thanks for the radio tip. Is 104.1 an Air America station?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

He took Ric Keller's place. Keller was an incredibly lame Bush toady - another pasty, pudgy Rove wannabe, but completely invertabrate. His sole existence was doing whatever his Republican overlords bid him to do in order to keep feeding at the public trough.

Now we have Grayson!!! WOOOHOOO!!!

Serendipitydude's picture

about him, humbling in fact. The best argument for cloning I've read in a while.

Annaleigh's picture

I think I'm in love too!


I've never seen change without a fire

Apologize for what?? Don't look now Republican lawmakers...but once again your hypocrisy is showing. Isn't it interesting how the GOP can feign integrity when they have their 'witto feewings' hurt, as if no one notices. It's O.K. to propagate absurd misinformation about HCR in the form of 'death panels', telling people the President wants to kill Grandma. They don't even stop at HCR. They are the ones stirring up all the racists and in imo, are guilty of inciting violent dissent and are walking a tightrope over a big pool of sedition, and THEY want an apology??

Oh please. Call 1-800-someone-who-gives-a-shit.


Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime

roooth's picture

well said

Tyler Durden's picture

this is not very bipartisanshippy! ;-P

pinkobait's picture

The way Republicans go about brow beating apologies out of Democrats.
Like everything else on their agenda,they march in absolute rigid lockstep-everyone on board repeating the same demands for an apology word for word.We have become all to accustomed to this behavior and the inevitable brought to heel Democratic apology that always,ALWAYS follows.That this could finally be the exception to what has become an absolute rule would be so damned good for the Liberal soul.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

calgarylady's picture
Wow

Alan Grayson, you are my hero!

Wesley E. Ledjennes's picture

They just want Obama TO FAIL AT SOMETHING!
They don't care about people dying...
They just want to KILL Obama's WINNING STREAK!
They don't give a damn how many people have insurance...
They just want to see Obama's big plan GO DOWN IN DEFEAT.

nezua's picture

about time! if more dems acted like this, the GOP wouldnt know what hit them. they'd spend more time doing what dems do now: reacting and fumbling for position and words.

Georgette Orwell's picture

lift me out of my despair over the quiet spinelessness of most Democrats. I so hope that he continues. Go, Grayson!

Kate's picture

You can contact him at:

https://forms.house.gov/grayson/contact-form....

I wrote to him:

Wow, I just saw your apology -- excellent! Thank you SO MUCH for having a spine! Please, please keep speaking out for those of us who are struggling with health issues.

When you said, "Read it and weep," I did get tears in my eyes. I'm a two-year cancer survivor who lost just about everything except my life and my 1982 Corolla, and am very afraid for my future. When I see Max Baucus or Olympia Snowe speak so heartlessly it really does make me cry. But your courage in speaking out gives me hope.

BriGuy27's picture

Why is their title 'Grayson likens health care crisis, holocaust' when he said NOTHING about the Holocaust? Can they report what was said & not make sh!t up?

MountainMan23's picture

"I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven’t voted sooner to end this holocaust in America."


Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

BriGuy27's picture

I thought they were talking about the original speech...I just now watched the 'apology' my bad

liberalNmoderation's picture

using the same style of hyperbolic rhetoric that the right has used so very often to make his point.

Tyler Durden's picture

... "Politico" is Spanish for "He who is full of shit and lies more than breathes"

MountainMan23's picture

Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

LeftandLeft's picture

One of the worst things to do to bullies is apologize. Great comeback line from Grayson.

BigIslandDave's picture

... but otherwise he's spot-on.

I have a new political hero.

Good job, Rep. Grayson. And NEVER apologize to the scurrilous, treasonous Repugs.

BID

Mike_1776's picture

Oh that's right. As empathetic liberals we understand the moral significance of not trying to equate anything with the extermination of 6 million people.
Like calling someone Hitler does a disservice to the very degree of evil he represented. When Obama has gassed 5 million Republican men women and children and ripped the fillings from their teeth, then the right gets to call him "like Hitler". The ADL needs to speak up more about the Republicans. There is this quote in reference to the Darwin -> Hitler link that was made just some time ago.

"ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement: "This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis." http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/08/ad...

Tyler Durden's picture

The nazis gassed 11 million people, turns out that half of the extermination camps involved boatloads of Catholic Poles, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Handicapped, etc.

I frankly find it tasteless to omit 5 million of the victims because of their religious status (or lack thereof)

gsadamb's picture

He didn't compare it to The Holocaust, he called it a holocaust. Which is an event involving an extensive loss of life.

Mike_1776's picture

It's a word yes, but it has luggage, you might not want to be carrying. See all the media piled on him, i don't think it's a big deal, but it looks like when the message is right, attack the messenger. IGNORE the holocaust angle, lets talk about the 40k people dying MSM!

Serendipitydude's picture

just since HCR was torpedoed in '94, and average it out at 40,000 a year, that's around 6,000,000 people dead because of no insurance. And in any case the extermination of the Jews by Hitler was "The Holocaust" with capital letters, not "a holocaust." There's no monopoly on the word.

I think it would be cool for some people to erect those digital counters with an accurate number, starting from '94, and have it tick up every 12+/- minutes.

Truth_Critic's picture

These dumb phucks A. H. of huffpo and K.O. said he should not of used the word holocaust. They don't understand this very witty man... Mr. Grayson who understands what the the hell he is doing and A.H. and K.O. have to muddy his intent, by saying, well I don't think he should of said this and that.

The targets of his action, whom place a strong opinion with regard to life (pro-life) and the shame of the (holocaust) will reflect heavily on his remarks.

We care for people even after their born!
Who the hell introduced and keeps bringing up Hitler.

He knows just who the Phuck he's talking to, I wish K.O. would not of opened his big mouth by highlighting the word vs it's intended intention.

holocaust; hol·o·caust

1. Great or total destruction, especially by fire.
2. a. Widespread destruction. b. A great disaster.


Study the symptoms not the virus...

calgarylady's picture

It IS a medical holocaust, as far as I'm concerned. People are dying and families are being destroyed.

It's sooooo satisfying to see the repubs get a much-deserved, public, heaping helping of shame from Alan Grayson.

Truth_Critic's picture

just pressed him on it as well...(3) Phunkin times.

11 million people died.

6 million of these were Jewish (close to two thirds of Europe's Jewish population).

Up to 250,000 were Roma/Sinti (Gypsies).

1.5 million were children.

How many have died from lack of health care in the U.S.?

Yes it is a phucking (holocaust) by definition! And these people say shame on you. :-/

Thanks MSNBC, with friends like that...


Study the symptoms not the virus...

liberalNmoderation's picture

didn't look like he backpedaled one bit.

fastfeat's picture

Sorry, KO and Rachel-- Luv ya, but you're wrong here.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

hooligans's picture

I know, Rachel asked him 3 times about that phrase and I was like jeez we finally get someone to fight and you guys go all weepy liberal over one word. Did you really mean Holocaust? Come on guys, you got General Patton getting the troops riled up, you don't tug on his sleeve and complain because he called the Germans Kraut SOB.

SJD's picture

I'd like shake your hand.
Are you free for dinner Saturday around 6:30?
My wife makes a fine chicken casserole. ;-)

Hell no, he better not apologize. If anyone should apologize, it's the Republicans. I get so sick of them demanding everyone else apologize. They're the ones lying to the American people. They're the ones prosecuting a war against working/middle class Americans. They're the ones who display nothing short of the most despicable behavior.

tomorrow? I heard someone on lush or KKKlannity's show mention it today. I may be able to get away and show up with a sign supporting Grayson.

I just got off FL probation, so I'm ready to brawl with some 'Thugs (if they throw the first blow, of course...)


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

klyde's picture

This is how a Dem politician should talk.

roooth's picture

Let’s remember that we should care about people even after they’re born.

oodaloop's picture

I knew if I scrolled down far enough, I'd find someone who beat me to the punch. Best line of the whole speech. Just. Plain. AWESOME.

by plenty of these "pro-lifers" the GOP et al don't even give a sh*t about you even if you are a fetus.

They just don't want your mum to have any reproductive choice. Their movement has never been about "pro-life" but "ANTI-CHOICE."

In the same fashion that if you are terminally ill and suffering hell on earth, they don't want to help you and take care of you. They simply don't want you to have a choice if you want to exit your life on your own terms. So again these assholes have never been about "compassion" but again "ANTI-CHOICE"

Which makes their whole image as the "small government party" even the more disingenuous since they want to tell you what you can or can't do with your very own body, starting with your vagina (if you happen to have one, they'll get on to you later in life if you are of the male persuasion).

ron's picture

for congress that is disclosed by ABC news. Cost, $503, wait for it,,,, a year.

Tyler Durden's picture

think that is how much the rest of us have to pay for health insurance a year. And thus don't "get" what this hole hoopla about health care reform is about.

tiger313's picture

Because he's the last one standing.

Clemdog's picture

Grayson - Sanders 2012

Anthony Weiner - Speaker of the House

Tyler Durden's picture

... the DLC won't approve it.

2012 will have Obama on the ticket, but I assume they will replace Biden with an actual republican. It will be billed as the more cost effective ticket, in these hard times, since the Dems cut the middle man and went republican. Thus saving us all money! Hooray!

liberalNmoderation's picture

I like the sound of that!

Ronin08's picture

And where did he come from?

Because he just keeps winning over and over again.

Although, by mentioning the holocaust, he does technically force me to call "Godwin's Law," but I'm willing to give him a little slack since he uses it as a general word, not necessarily as a direct reference to the event itself.

Truth_Critic's picture

...the law allows for exceptions appropriately.


Study the symptoms not the virus...

oodaloop's picture

From reading the posts above (I haven't listened to the video yet), I gather that he is referring to a holocaust, not THE Holocaust.

... since the nazis were not invoked directly.

In any case, Godwin's Law is not cumulative. And it was invoked weeks ago, when the GOPer were calling Obama Hitler, which is the most direct offence according to Godwin and automatic disqualification for the GOP.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Is that his entire presentation, his speech, whatever, was intended to be over the top hyperbole.
To show how ridiculous the rights BS lies really are.

MountainMan23's picture

Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

The speech was very powerful.


I've never seen change without a fire

jakflorida32169's picture

Voted for him in 2008. Will do the same in 2010. Got his back? Hell, he's got my VOTE. If he keeps on givin' and I keep on livin' he'll get my vote.


We're not going to get very far if you keep injecting logic into the conversation!

Rachel Maddow did what I consider a hit job on this guy. I go quite a bit out of my way to watch her show, usually when I should be or would rather be doing a million other things. Her "pinning down" of Representative Alan Grayson, one of few people in Congress speaking loudly enough for our side to actually be heard, is just inexplicable to me. I do know that this is why the other side, the "minority," is beating us to a pulp. Democrats are just too happy eating their own. So GREAT job Rachel Maddow did calling that man on the carpet and giving him a stiff-faced, angry, supercilious scolding. It's her place to, I'm sure.

Do the Hall Monitors criticizing Alan Grayson honestly just not REALIZE that "holocaust" is a word, that it isn't a "name" made up after World War II as the word to be henceforth used to refer to what Hitler did to Europe's Jews? Who is Maddow to tell others they cannot use the word "holocaust" unless they mean "Holocaust"?

She and Politico and Ariana Huffington and others should look up the word. Not Google it, look it up.

Grrr. We can't win, we have to fight the "minority" opposition and the prissy prunes on our own side at the same time, one opponant with each hand.

do that. By going off on an obvious red herring, she dropped herself a few pegs down the journalistic integrity ladder. She literally looked pathetic.

But it is when the table is shaken and the cards fall when you know where people really stand.

liberalNmoderation's picture

emails saying she screwed up.

Kreskin's picture

Saw the speech and he was just on the Maddow show , he was great ! I just fired off a letter to his office in Florida commending him ( Senator Grayson ) , the telephone lines were busy and his voice mail boxes were full so could not leave voice mail , have a feeling he's getting a lot of positive feed back , I hope you all take the time to do the same ! It's about time a Dem showed some back bone and nerve and told it like it is ! If he gets a flood of positive feed back maybe the panty waist gutless wonders will catch on ! This is what is needed , as it is the Repugs get away with murder and not a single Dem has the back bone to call them out on it and tell it like it is ! Show some spine and balls Dems !

Carly Corday's picture

Democrats, won't you please look up "holocaust"... Oh forget it, echo what everyone else says, that's just who we are. You're not going to budge because you can't.

Grayson for speaker!

oodaloop's picture

Think Bigger

liberalNmoderation's picture

Oh wait...President!

Hey Wolfie, that should be a declarative statement, NOT a question!!


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

bootsykronos's picture

wha'ts going to kill me but I know for sure it isn't going to be health care. I haven't been to a doctor for a physical since I was 23, nearly 25 years ago. I can't afford to get sick, break a bone, nothing. How the hell is health care going to kill me... I think it's likely the only thing that won't.

Truth_Critic's picture
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"I don't know wha'ts going to kill me but I know for sure it isn't going to be health care."

I would say that [Health Care] will absolutely "kill" you... Just depends when you want to die! I would suggest that you consider history.

Then again, it may just be semantics?


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Tyler Durden's picture

it may be that you just did not get the point of the previous poster?

Truth_Critic's picture

..."Then again, it may just be semantics?"

semantics; se·man·tics
1. Linguistics The study or science of meaning in language forms.
2. Logic The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. In this sense,


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Hieronymus Braintree's picture

...and wish we had more like him. This guy knows how to fight.

LarryE's picture

In an earlier thread I criticized Grayson for engaging in what I thought was an attempt at verbal entrapment of some bureaucrat. I stand by that criticism.

But this - this is DAY-YUM that was good to hear! Right on, bro'!

On a related topic: Grayson may have been technically correct in using the world "holocaust" but it was still a poor choice because the word carries baggage when used in a political debate and it served to give GOPpers and media sorts an opening to address his words rather than what he said. So no, he shouldn't have used the word.

But here's the thing: Having said that, it becomes a matter of "drop it and move on." Register the objection and then let it go. It is just not that important and there is no reason for us to be giving ammo to the political dirtbags who want to change the subject and the media buffoons who prefer conflict to content. ("Pressure continues to build on Rep. Grayson to apologize for his use of the word 'holocaust.' More after these commercials.")

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SteKos's picture

It's good to see someone on the Democratic party using the same shock-language that Republicans use daily.

Apologize? YOU FIRST

RationalRadioJack's picture

yeah.

they do exist.

you should check it out harry reid....you little wussy.

Mark C.'s picture

Then why does the MSM feel this way? They all hate Obama.

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