Dennis Prager to all women: If you're not in the mood, too bad
By John Amato Wednesday Dec 24, 2008 9:00amAs Paul Krugman pointed out, if you're a right winger --no matter what crazy, f*&ked up thought you utter, it's A-OK.
Case in point is wingnut extraordinare Dennis Prager. Here's a sample:
The subject is one of the most common problems that besets marriages: the wife who is not in the mood and the consequently frustrated and hurt husband.
It gets more preposterous from there. In right-wing culture, it's always the ladies that are at fault.
This is a major reason many husbands clam up. A man whose wife frequently denies him sex will first be hurt, then sad, then angry, then quiet. And most men will never tell their wives why they have become quiet and distant. They are afraid to tell their wives. They are often made to feel ashamed of their male sexual nature, and they are humiliated (indeed emasculated) by feeling that they are reduced to having to beg for sex.
I think James Dobson has it wrong. It's right-wing freaks like Prager who want to destroy the institution of marriage. Yet this nut is a frequent guest on CNN. Why does he get the megaphone that he does?
But, to repeat the key point, rejection of sex should happen infrequently. And it should almost never be dependent on mood -- see Part II next week.
5. I know this and that's why I rarely say no to my husband.
This is a wise woman. She knows a sexually fulfilled husband is a happy husband. (At the same time, men need to recognize that complete sexual fulfillment is unattainable in this world.) And because a happy husband loves his wife more, this cycle of love produces a happy home.
Nice wife, good wife, fulfill me when I want so I am happy. WTF does any of this drivel mean? He makes Dr. Phil almost bearable.
Pandagon lets loose.
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The Rapture is the ultimate in multi-orgasms to the nth degree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHPikUPlRD8
the barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen part?
It's in his subscription to Juggs magazine.
Hopefully, these wives will give their unfullfilled husbands a pretty little sheep for Xmas with a red ribbon tied around its neck.
It is important to the Empire to keep their women in their place.
Jesus and/or God say "okay!"
PTL
(Part Thy Legs)
That was Moses's biggest miracle with his wife.
The Red Sea was nothin...
What a chauvinist fuckstick!
I'm so mad at reading this that I want to spit at this man. Every marriage is different. My first husband ignored me unless he wanted sex. If I initiated he would 99% of the time turn me down. It's really hard to get in the mood when the husband wouldn't even talk to you but just wanted to watch tv. My second husband is a wise man and we talk about everything under the sun. Can you guess how often we have sex? No, I'm not about to say but we are both very satisfied in this marriage, going on 20 years now. My first lasted 8 years, luckily no children, he wasn't interested. My second husband and I have 2 children and both were very much wanted. Happy Holidays to everyone.
Yeah nothing like an unwashed bewhiskered fat guy that smells like beer crawling on board (grunt grunt grunt --Ah -- snore )
(grunt grunt grunt -- ah -- score)
What a lovely choice.
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It's irretrievably stupid. The man should have his mouth sewn shut. Ignorance on that level is dangerous.
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Hilarious. This goof, O'Reilly, Rush giving out sexual advice....un-fucking -believable.
Dennis is so accustomed to women telling him "they're not in the mood" that his "too bad" response is simply a learned defense mechanism.
I suspect they don't actually tell him that they're not in the mood. I believe they probably laugh outright to his face.
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I think Dennis is giving us some undesired insight into his own marriage. Ugh.
I bet his wife just LOOOOOOVES him to death...
HA!!!
pills she has to take to make sure she is "in the mood."
marked "roofies"...
She boinks their roofer?
The word on Pandagon is that he's been divorced twice. I can't help thinking his loss was his former wives' gain.
to find out that Dennis Prager has been divorced twice.
I never heard of him before this, but from what I googled he is a judgmental hypocrite. Typical Conservatard.
I wonder why his wives divorced him? Hypocrite.
Oh geeze preacher-man
At least put on some of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0WFcygdWY
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OH- - - MY - - - GOD !
Where Homer invents the Make-up Gun.
Marge "But Homer women don't like being shot in the face!"
Homer "Women will like what I tell them to like."
I'm tired of all the right wing nuts on cable too, a waste of money. I hope Obama has a plan to bring back the Fairness Doctrine or something equivalent to that.
to the Fairness Doctrine because they don't use "the public airwaves.
Apparently, that serves as permission to lie, exaggerate and omit whatever they feel like.
That's why we no longer have teevee.
They can kiss my Irish arse and keep their lies.
Free speech for me, but not for thee....HaHa
When your wife cuts your little wee-wee off in the middle of the night because she's tired of the 20 years of forced sex, TOO BAD.
Prager's so full of shit. He obviously has to beg his wife for pussy, and the poor hookers file their nails while this pathetic little man rides them. What a sad glimpse into your depressing sex life Dennis.
What he's doing is justifying marital rape.
And anyone who tries to equate this with religion or "Jesus and/or God" is just being stupid. This has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with being an ignoramous.
And yeah, this is the argument for the Fairness Doctrine in a nutshell.
Happy holidays, all, whatever holiday that might be.
Peace.
That's exactly what he's attempting to justify...
Happy Holidays right backtacha!
Sounds like he's trying to justify his own affairs.
another cree-yist-yin drooler with a big mouth and a tiny peepee.
"Every man who is sexually faithful to his wife already engages in daily heroic self-control."
Click on the link and read the actual article. It is incredible and really funny in a sick way.
Prager is the meth addict chastising the alcoholic on how to get his life in order.
Both groups demand submission from their wives as part of their faith. Both groups claim that they may engage in corporal (or worse) punishment for their wives failing to discharge their 'conjugal duties'. Both groups treat sexual advances from said wives as being unseemly.
And many of these Xtian and Muslim men hate each other passionately. Talk about ironic.
Big time
Let's be fair here...
This Prager would a douchebag of the highest order whether he were. Jewish or not.
I'm talkin like....O'reilly type douchebaggery here...
I quote from Wikipedia:
"In 1980, Prager met his first wife, Janice Adelstein, who was a nurse. They were married on January 15, 1981. Their son, David, was born two years later. In August 1986 Janice filed for divorce."
"On September 4, 1988, Prager married Francine Stone, an actress, in a Los Angeles synagogue. In November 1992, the couple adopted a son, Aaron Henry Prager. On December 30, 2005, Prager announced on air that he and Stone were getting divorced."
So how's that whole "not in the mood" program workin' out for you, Mr. Jagoff Hypocrite Prager?
Will these fuckers ever shut the fuck up?
all this article is, is prager's attempt to place the blame on his 2 divorces on his ex partners
the guy is twisted
...are sperm repositories. Everything else demanded of us is gravy.
It's really just that simple.
Now you know.
Every Sperm is Sacred {Monty Python's Meaning of Life) :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
^_^
"Females of a mini-squid species, Heteroteuthis dispar, store sperm within their bodies in a special pouch. The precious cargo can account for up to 3 percent of the squid's total body weight."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist...
Dude: You sound like an analyst's wet dream
If a Sperm get's wasted, God gets quite irate! Poor boys like Dennis can't just jack-off when they need to because that would be murder. So their wives HAVE to be there to help these poor desperate blue balls find relief.
Trust me, I grew up Pentecostal, your brain starts telling you crazy things like this when you've got massive blue balls and your religion says that jerkin' the gerkin' is as bad as murder.
I've heard from Muslim friends that the same is true. Their heads are filled with all this shite and coupled with raging teenage hormones is a recipe for disaster.
Anywhoo, this submission shit is why that fucking fool Jim Bob Duggar and his wife have had their 18th fucking kid.
Yeah, it's the woman's fault why her husband is a selfish prick.
May Dennis Prager never see the inside walls of a vagina again.
Never thought about that until now, and the newish info on mental abberrations attibuted to a marked # of "religious" (murdering) right-wingnut extremists, it is reasonable to assume they are thuggish insensitive lovers as well.
Their wive's headaches are real.
...and I can't help but wonder how many times Limbaugh's wives had to stop themselves from throwing up at his touch when the lights went out. How much ladies? How much money would it take for any one of us to stand Limbaugh fucking us for a week, a month, years?
...even when I really needed money.
Except that once. And then I won the argument over the abortion.... he assumed that, since I was adamantly pro-choice, that would be my only choice. I broke up and had the kid by myself. He's 18 now, and a great young human. Snarky, though.
...their wives must want to kill themselves.
because finding their dicks in all those soft flappy fat folds reminiscent of finding a contact lense in a white shag carpet.
Or like those tennis balls skewered on your car attenae so you can find it again in one of those faceless mall parking lots.
A Bad Lay is a Bad Lay
Wed, 12/24/2008 - 10:07 — AngelfoodMcSpade
Ken Lay?
"2. If this is true, men really are animals.
Correct. Compared to most women's sexual nature, men's sexual nature is far closer to that of animals. So what?"
Maybe he gets his relationship advice from the Deep Sea Squid
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist...
"The females have downright negative experiences with mating, meaning that afterwards they won't let any other male near them."
I'd put up an image of what I expect out of women, but the site monitor would indubitably look askance at it.
he wants a blow-up doll. We should send him some.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/5/5/c...
Thanks, I just puked. That wasnt a very nice x-mas morning surprise!
I agree. Either a blow-up doll, or a woman so addicted to sex she's after him night and day, ignores all his "commands", and continually tries to get in his pants. Until he screams and flees at the sight of her because he's failed so many times. Then send him the next one.
Gander-goose game, I say.
Recalled...remember? ;)
have mr. prager and other like-minded men ever heard of MASTURBATION?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwGfP98vGM
Masturbation is a sin to many conservatives. Trust me, I grew up in a ultra-conservative Pentecostal household. It's funny, but my parents and grandparents are huge Prager fans.
Was I the only one to think that The Vagina Monologue was a chick ventrioquist show?
@_@
... but, if you strip out whatever mental baggage associated with the author, and the doucheness of his didactic delivery, he has a point: More often than not, men want sex more frequently than women.
I can only speak for myself. Maybe other men are different, but I view sex as acceptance. I can hear "I love you," five times a day, but the physical connection means more to me. I have a stronger reaction to what she -does- than to what she says. Other men may be different.
My wife, she needs to hear me say "I love you." I'm sure she appreciates it when I walk to the store, in a snow storm, for coffee filters and tampons, but she only glows when I tell her I love her.
And if either one of us doesn't get our fix? Then the relationship suffers.
Of course there are some reasonable exceptions. She can reasonably expect me not to say "I love you" for a few days after she yanks too hard on the bridle and the bit chips one of my teeth. And I can reasonably not expect any sex after her spending hours doing an inventory of the boat-house with the pool boy. She's just too sweaty and tired.
What I'm saying is that you have to make allowances in some situations. That's just normal marriage stuff.
But consistently getting rejected? Having to beg for sex? The marriage -will- take a hit. How do think most husbands will deal with that rejection? Do you think they'll calmly and rationally bring up their problems with their wife, or do you think they'll passive-aggressively retaliate; denying their wife what -she's- looking for in their relationship.
Then everything begins to spiral downward.
There is an expectation of reasonableness here. I'd hope that no woman wants to me nothing but a cum-dumpster to her husband and no man wants to be nothing more than a therapist to his wife.
So, I basically agree with his argument. If your husband wants more sex and if you love him, try to give him more sex.
Other than that Prager writes like a douche, I didn't see anything offensive in his article. People are posting about rape and subjugation, but I just saw the underlying message of "If someone you care about needs something, and it doesn't hurt you to give it, why not give it?"
I agree with this point, "If your husband wants more sex and if you love him, try to give him more sex."
Every relationship is different (and even different at different times).
Please don't try to think you can extrapolate what most women want or what most men want from anecdotal evidence or your own experience. There have actually been studies on this, and they don't come to the same conclusions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vAqekT-GuA
Yes, there is a give and take in any healthy relationship. Like you said sometimes the guy wants more and sometimes the woman does, and sometimes we (men and women) should accommodate those desires if we're able to, and sometimes we shouldn't if it's the healthier thing to do. What he really should be focusing on, like you are, is that healthy relationships are all about communication.
The problem with Prager comes in the sense that he is ignoring the give and take and basically saying that the woman needs to always submit. Plus, from the undercurrent, and from my own extensive experience in the conservative culture, men don't have options for 'relief' other than their wives giving it up. Thus, in some senses turning them into, as you put it, a cum dumpster. =P
"What he really should be focusing on, like you are, is that healthy relationships are all about communication." ©
[st_gulik]
so you would appreciate it if your wife lied there like a corpse while you stuck it in her??
ever hear of cuddling?
As I am coming to the end of my first trimester, sex is pretty much off the table. My husband understands this, and when I feel up to sex (after running around after a 5 year old, and working a full time job)I do it. Most times, I don't feel like it. Luckily, my husband has enough self-control not just take sex off me or go chasing tail. Cuddling and kissing does work wonders.
My husband hates nothing more than me shagging him when I am not in the mood. He would rather wax the dolphin than have me lay there like a sack of spuds.
This is nothing new for these clowns, they are always denigrating women. Bill Kristol said during the recent campaign that the main problem with elections was that, "white women have the right to to vote."
Limbaugh and others constantly make reference to women being at the root of their problems, and it just amazes me that woman cater t their ideology.
Not surprisingly, The Coulter said the same thing. That women should not have the right to vote.
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How HARD is that to know Mr. Prager
The issue for conservative men isn't sex or pleasure. It is worship they crave.
Judging by the number that go to jail, it looks like what they like is perverted illegal sex.
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Sarah Palin has a great (read: hot, steamy) sex life (which is why feminists, who presumably never shave their legs or underarms in Den's fantasy of them, are jealous of her).
Must be a Dennis--kinda-thang.
Did Dennis mention how he happened to know this by chance?
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in Palin he has met his intellectual equal flatline. So, Dennis, it's a matter of taste if 'ya like fucking a pile of broken glass.
I've never seen the word fuck seem so unappealing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0eb_MsJJ2Q
"God created sex. Priests created marriage."
[Voltaire]
I love this. I am SO stealing it ....
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Christian women are supposed to submit and like it. I don't recall any biblical reference to the Holy Ghost asking Mary if she was in the mood after God arranged for the Ghost to impregnate Mary, or any documentation that it was consensual. If Christian wives who withhold sex from their husbands are possessed by demons, the church can just cast out the demons. If this guy is Jewish, he may want to switch religions...
Who was the other reich-wing nut who said "ladies! we need more babies!!" when he wanted to scare people with the idea of a "white" minority. They're loonies. Women are property or non-entities to these guys. Can we send THEM to the Arab countries?? Please? That's where they belong.
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John Gibson
Thanks.
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Some people count it a modern miracle of Biblical proportions that Clenis could convince a Jewish girl to give him a hummer.
She told her neighbors, good friends, BEFORE she left for DC - that she was going to get her "presidential knee-pads".
I don't think Clinton had to talk Monica into anything.
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Dear Dennis ~~
I'm sorry to hear you're not man enough for your woman.
Sincerely, ...
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...I keep checking his ring finger to see if his wife has divorced him yet. If not, WHY not.
Maybe he should learn to do it gooder.
So Dennis is constantly hurt and frustrated? I'm sorry to hear it - but I'm not surprised.
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That's why him and Larry Craig have become good friends.
He doesn't know what he's talking about, but that doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate issues that affect men like him. One of the problems is that these people go around spouting all this puritanical family-value bullshit for so long that they actually get what they wanted. Someone should let them know... But at the same time, I feel that liberal attitudes about male sexuality drives them even further to the right. I don't think that wanting too much sex makes you some sort of insensitive chauvinist monster. We have to stop insinuating that these men are rapists. They're not wrong for wanting sex, in fact it's a carrot on a stick that can lead these men to become more liberal.
All women to Denis Prager - "No."
Can't we get together a room full of gay men who will be forced to divorce (assuming Prop 8 stands) to do a bit of "forcible entry" on these bastards?
As long as no one objects to self-gratification, I'm good. I don't see why any (normal person) should. "Gawd" gaves us arms, and hands, and they're just the right length; fingers too. :-)
Do women here object to that?
We gay men don't really have these problems though.
This explains why I have been so quiet and angry lately.
Women decide who they will have sex with, they decide when that sex happens, if they get pregnant they are the ones who decide if the child is born and if it is born, the man must then pay for half of everything.
Oh, and if they divorce a man he has to keep them in the standard of living they are accustomed to when the man was in their life.
I really don't know why men are so uptight. . .I mean. . what's their problem?
I'm so tired of hearing the "it takes two" argument. It takes one to abort it, but two to give birth to it? I don't get it. It certainly doesn't seem like it takes two to have visitation rights to it, so they must not be talking about raising it.
And look at how many guys refuse to pay child support. I live in the South, so its more common than in most other parts of the country. Its like some guys never heard of condoms. If you're going to have sex, its the responsibility of both parties to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, disease, etc.
Aren't you implying by your last sentence that the women haven't heard of condoms, either? And if they haven't heard of condoms, maybe they haven't heard of abortion, either. Ignorance isn't a shared responsibility. The men are only responsible for their own ignorance, not the woman's.
Another form of ignorance is on the part of society to believe that ignorant men are going to want to pay punitive child support payments for unwanted babies. Besides the fact that it's completely punitive and there are negative consequences to not paying, what positive benefit are these men seeing from giving up vast portions of their income? It's past time when we realize that the child support system is an unworkable solution.
Sure, men are responsible for their own ignorance -- and they have a FOOLPROOF way or two to avoid ever being stuck with unwanted child support payments. It's not rocket science. If men aren't willing to get vasectomies or abstain, then who CARES if they see a positive benefit to paying child support?! Kids have to eat, wear clothes, and stay warm. Child support is NEVER punitive. Alimony, perhaps. But not caring for your own flesh and blood.
I care for everyone's well-being, including men. Child support should be socialized because it is a societal problem, not an individual one. But the way the system works is to punish the poor for being poor and call it justice. The child support system doesn't care about the larger outcome, it's only job is to assign blame so that the rest of us don't have to feel guilty about it. And it's incredibly unfair to men. We fail to provide adequate sex ed, family planning is seen as evil, refuse to provide universal health care, and we refuse to have adequate public programs for children. So what's the solution to the feminization of poverty? Blame the men, of course.
Sorry, but fuck that. I already pay too much for other people's children!!!!! You got 'em, you own 'em.
(signed, childless)
Someone was bound to say that. But guess what, other people paid for you when you were a child. Children are no different than anything else your taxpayer money goes to, whether it be roads or power plants. It's a capital investment that pays dividends. Those children will be paying your social security benefits someday, so don't feel so bad for yourself. Unless you're a wingnut and don't believe in social safety nets as a matter of ideology.
I'm totally off-the-charts liberal.
However, have you seen how utterly irresponsible some people are with marriage and child birth? Very Monty Python, as in, "Oops, there's another one." Sorry, but I will never agree with socialized support payments. That's just too too far!!!
Realize they are based on keeping people in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed (this includes millionaires),which, for many, is a damn sight better than I've ever seen, or ever will see. I'm a poor working stiff.
You're close to sounding like an idiot to me.
I'll all for a social safety net, to help you get back on your feet. That's what it's for, not supporting someone else's kids until they are 18.
As far as social security is concerned, in theory, I have already paid for my own, but unfortunately the governement has spent it. It's not my fuck up.
There is a point at which people have to take responsibility for their own actions!!!!! That means thinking long and hard about marriage and having children. It's not a fad, or just something everyone does on the spur of the moment. It's a *lifetime commitment*, and you should be prepared for it, or don't do it. That's just common sense.
No mullarky that someone can't afford a 50 cent condom. They're for sale in every men's washroom, and at every pharmacy. Sex education or not, people know about them. If you can't get one, it's up to you if you want to play with fire. You can always find some other (non-impregnating) way if sexual satisfaction cannot be delayed.
I have no problem paying for roads and schools. I also believe in universal health care, everyone pays into. Beyond that, a social safety net to help you through a rouch patch. But it stops there.
Have you seen how many idiots there are running around? Should "the state" finance everything they do? Some of us use good judgement. Anyone who does not want children and has unprotected sex, is asking for trouble.
What if I said, "I need a BMW to complete me?" Should someone else pay for it, or should I start saving money? If you want kids, think about the next 18 years, and set some money aside. Can you afford them? If you can't, don't be having unprotected sex.
Short of being raped, there is always "no", or doing it tomorrow, or running out to get a condom. Or using your hands and/or mouth, or even toys. If you don't believe in the latter, you shouldn't be having sex period. You should run to church and ask for salvation.
Women can abstain or get tubal ligation, too. Women also have the option of getting an abortion, taking birth control, day-after pills, carrying a condom in their purse and making their partner wear it, etc. If men had as many reproductive options, believe me, you'd never see an unwanted kid ever again. I mean if women are so helpless to prevent themselves from getting pregnant, you might as well just go ahead and call them rape reparation payments.
So can you just listen to yourself? Who cares about the positive value that children have in men's lives? That's so telling about the attitude that you're bringing to the table. It's the "it takes two" argument that I'm so tired of. One to make all the choices and receive all the benefits, the other to provide the financing.
If you have to beg or force a woman to have sex with you, you're not doing something right. I've never had to force any woman to be with me. Obviously, some of us are better at this than Prager. I have found that most women saw mutual respect as sort of a turn-on. But, what do I know? The mutual respect thing has always worked for me. Guess I'm just odd.
I was for many years married to a woman who used sex as a weapon, as a reward or punishment. Not surprisingly, the "Who cares about making you happy? I don't have to do anything I don't want to do" was not limited to the bedroom.
Prager on radio usually scores the hat trick of being boring, dumb, and wrong. But two premises of his article---that men take sexual rejection personally and that marriages where one partner is getting turned down too often (doesn't have to be the MAN, ya know) are probably not destined to succeed---are sort of hard to dispute.
If there's that kind of disparity between the appetites of the partners, the marriage is not likely to succeed. That sounds like common sense.
Like vickif, the nightmare marriage ended some years ago and I am now in a new one that is like night and day in all respects, including--surprise!--sexual. Sexual problems aren't always about horned-up guys (and the suggestion they just have a wank is patently offensive), sometimes they are about deeper, MUTUAL problems.
QuakerDave hit the nail on the head, this is an attempt at justification of martial rape, with the heinous suggestion that asserting your right to say no when don't want or cannot have sex is puting you on the wrong foot with God.
For those who are trying to make excuses for these people, please note that some of them even teach that PTSD resulting from rape or sexual abuse is not a valid reason to assert your right not to have sex.
For example this link, it's a woman survivor of abuse sadly illustrating this particularly dangerous teaching, which makes it all the more awful and baffling but you can imagine that none of the reichwing males will be in a hurry to point out the terrible implications of it.
It's because of these types that when I was in a conservative Christian church (I'm not anymore, thank God) that I'd decided to never marry...as someone with the aforementioned PTSD, a reichwing marriage is too dangerous a place for me to be in. These religious men talk about "loving their women the way Christ loved the Church," but evidently respecting their wives' personal vulnerabilities and right not to be violated again is not included in that package, so to speak...
Many comments of Prager here have been taken out of context.
He is simply saying that just as it would be an honorable act for a husband to show their adoration towards their wives despite the mood they're in, it would also be an honorable act for a wife to show her love towards her husband despite the mood they're in.
For healthy relationships, husbands are expected to give effort in having conversations with, being kind to, bringing nice things to, and being a protector of(not that women are inferior but most of them feel special and adored when they feel protected)their wives, despite what kind of mood they're in.
But of course, nobody is perfect and we can't win our battles all the time. It all comes down to the healthy ratio just like all other things in the real world. We can't be perfect spouces, but we can aim for being a decent one.
Prager points out that if we acted on our moods most of the time, our marriages would probably not turn out to be a healthy one. He is merely suggesting that husbands and wives should fight their moods in speaking eachother's love language..
If that doesn't sound commonsensical, I don't know what more to say..
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