Those Crazy Conspiracy Theorists
Krugman points out the media complicity in treating these morons as credible:
So Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and Karl Rove all claim that the financial crisis was a liberal conspiracy, generated either by evil mastermind Chuck Schumer or by wily journalists.
Why does such stuff flourish? Probably because there is no punishment for it — as long as you’re on the right, and I mean right, side. Let Michael Moore point out, entirely correctly, the close ties between the Saudis and the Bush family, and he’s blasted as a crazy conspiracy theorist. On the other hand, let Donald Luskin suggest, in 2004, that George Soros is planning to engineer a financial crisis to defeat Bush, and he gets to publish front-page articles in the Washington Post Outlook section declaring that there isn’t a recession.
Fuck that, it's a full-blown Depression that can only be ameliorated by ending The Long War!
Why does such stuff flourish?
Hmmm
You are writing about it. So I'm thinking that is making it flourish.
only to mock them and their adherents does not cause such theories to flourish. It's only when conspiracy theories are treated seriously and given a serious platform that they become mainstream and acceptable.
C&L does useful work in shining lights on the MSM's disparate treatment of conspiracy theories depending on the ideology of the theorist.
I agree with Bob Roberts. The more they sling the bull and C&L and others exposes it for what it is, IS the truth shining thru. I have a dying out rightwinger friend. He has quietly seen how stupid these people have been. He now doesn't quote Limp,O'liely etc. and is now nice to talk with. True that we are all sick of it,but there is a lot of catching up for America. The MSM's republican water bucket has a hole in it,and it's getting bigger.
than putting people out of homes and jobs?
If democrats had that much power and moxy, we'd be watching President Pelosi turn over the reins of power to Obama.
we're also capable of defeating religion and making all children gay.
Rush Limbaugh regularly calls this the "Obama Recession" because Obama's 3% tax increase is what is actually causing businesses to lay people off and fail. The fact that the recession started at least a year before Obama ever mentioned that is irrelevant.
Oh, and it was Clinton, not Bush, who deregulated everything and caused the housing bubble. The only thing that happened during Bush's tenure was job growth, economic growth and the lowest deathrate from terrorism in the US!
cognitive dissonance, anyone?
Clinton IS guilty of deregulation. And war crimes.
Among other things. I am guilty of hating Clinton just 3% less than
Cheney. All are part of an overclass that rules this world and you
aren't part of the process. Obama has joined this overclass and will
rule in a manner that is best for the overclass. We are not involved.
Limbaugh and company is the ring announcer at a pro wrestling match.
It's not what he says, it's how he says it.
How the fuck is President Clinton guilty of war crimes?
If you seriously think Clinton is just 3% better than Cheney, then you deserve Cheney.
William Jefferson Clinton started out with almost nothing. He was not born a member of any overclass. He became President through his own efforts. Something similar can be said of Barack Hussain Obama. (Unlike either Bush).
Or is your point simply that anyone who gets to a position of authority is automatically part of an overclass and won't have your best interests at heart? If so, get used to it. That's how human nature works.
Clinton bombs IRAQ in the nineties - Humanitarian.
Bush bombs and invades IRAQ years later - War criminal.
Whats the difference again? Ones a rebublican?? Hmm. Sound reasoning there..
Rothbard > Rothschild
and would add that war crimes continue for every day the U.S. continues to occupy Iraqi land in the manner it has since the illegal and immoral invasion.
clinton's decision to keep his adulterous mouth shut is a good idea when it comes to our economic crisis, as he and his neoliberal advisors are part responsible for today's problems.
As Harold Bloom says we're entering a new Dark Ages, where superstition is the fashion.
Beware Pinkboys and Anti-Bobs!!!
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
What astounding morons that believe those people. If we EVER let our guard down, don't vote, etc. they'll be back in power. As they say, if your enemy is drowning, throw them an anvil. The Right Wing needs to be crushed into oblivion.
Since those heady few days after the election of Obama, I've been warning (on this site and others) that the right-wingers are not going to go away, that, in fact, they are only going to become emboldened with each passing day. This latest horseshit spewing from the mouth of Limbaugh is proof-positive that what I said was correct.
While it is obvious that these fuckers are insane, it is also true that the more audacious the lie, the more likely it is to be believed. Refer back to German history circa 1930's if you have any doubt about that. Why is it any different now? Why? It isn't.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: We underestimate these scumbags at our own peril. This goes for Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Medved, Beck, and a whole host of other demonstrably unbalanced radio and tv pundits. They cannot and must not be allowed one scintilla of credibility. Every remark must be immediately and thoroughly discredited - loudly and without mercy.
These fuckers are spoiling for a fight. Let's bring it to them. They started it. It's up to us to finish it.
rove and oreilly couldnt do shit without limbaugh and the talk radio monopoly to do the groundwork.
for 20 years, since reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine, GOP media operatives and overpaid talking heads have been riding the limbaugh/talk radio bandwagon and picking from their prechewed assortment of GOP-coordinated lies, distortions, and exaggerations.
the media double standards, the denial and hypocrisy, and the sabotage it does to our democracy would not be possible without the talk radio monopoly with its coordinated uncontested repetition to enable it. when these idiots go on national TV and repeat the GOP talking points they read in the morning or last week, they know they've already been pounded into the earholes of tens of millions of americans across the country and many of them are watching at that very moment just to hear them be repeated once again, with images.
until progressives/liberals/dems/americans realize the crucial part the talk radio monopoly plays as myth maker and political correctness cop real democracy and bipartisanship is impossible- to talk and strategize like it is is just plain naive.
now is a great example. mike connell goes down in an 'accidental' plane crash and the tradmedia has nothing on it, but obama was blogo's best friend and caused the recession.
You're absolutely, positively correct.
If nothing is done about the ProfitMedia's ability to impart false information with impunity - we'll be right back where we started from.
Back under another Republican Kleptocracy.
This was going to happen sooner or later and perhaps it's for the best. People are finally waking up to the fact that the bailouts are only for those who know how to play the system as long as your well connected, have no use for the rule of law, are guaranteed your golden parachutes while the unclean masses ( or what's left of the middle class ) celebrate the holidays with spam and Mountain Dew.
Have read through the entire site yet, but sometimes the truth can be stranger than fiction. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Now Greece is burning and all hell is breaking out in Russia, China, France, Denmark and Spain. Maybe someday the American people will just snap and say we're mad as hell and we;re not going to take it anymore.
http://www.votestrike.com/shut_em_down
Shut It Down
They Won't Listen Any Other Way...
Stop the Bail-Outs
No more BailOuts! No BailOut for the Banks! We have been ripped off of our own resources, jobs and taxes. WE HAVE PLENTY of natural resources in our country OIL, TECHNOLOGY, AGRICULTURE to give Americans the money and jobs WE NEED.
The Bankers and CEO's are worried about keeping their own excessive life-styles.
NO BAILOUT!! Stand Up and demand JUSTICE.
We MUST demand Accountability: Immediately 'fire' the executives of all the failed companies, as done in the UK, and abrogate their severance packages.
America has been burglarized, in broad daylight. Will anyone be held accountable?
Accountability on the part of those who took the companies down:
a) resignations of all upper management
b) the immediate return of executive compensation packages
c) full public disclosure by members of Congress of assets held, with possible conflicts
d) a ban on political campaign contributions from officers of corporations
e) a requirement that 2008 cycle candidates return political contributions to share holders of contributing corporations.
Congress has borrowed TRILLIONS of dollars, on top of our already outrageous debt, to hand out tax rebates, to save Fannie, to save Freddie, to save AIG.
Stand Up and demand JUSTICE!
Enough is enough! WE WILL NO LONGER STAND BY WHILE YOU LOOT OUR COUNTRY!
http://www.votestrike.com/shut_em_down
We've had a small group in PHX AZ who've been in the streets on and off for about six years.
Demonstrating at McCain's and Kyl's offices etc.
But I don't think that we've ever had more than 600, and most of the time just a hundred.
We would need demonstrations like I attended in the 60's - 70's where thousands closed down city centers.
Good luck with that.
that actual liberal or progressive politicians represent liberals and progressives, this stuff isn't going to change. Face it, there are no liberal or progressive political leaders in any nation. They just. would. not. get. elected.
The George Soros conspiracy theory is so laughable. These idiots who listen to the Limboughs of this world don't live in reality obviously.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
Once we realize that imperfect understanding is the human condition there is no shame in being wrong, only in failing to correct our mistakes.
"George Soros"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
You see, folks; only commies say that Amerikkka isn't perfect!
;-P
We are born to action; and whatever is capable of suggesting and guiding action has power over us from the first.
"Rush Limbaugh"
If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.
"Bill O'Reilly"
As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.
"Karl Rove"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
The take home message is that the right has been organized and disciplined in pushing their message to the point that the main stream media assume it must have credibility, simply because it's been repeated so often.
I am optimistic that if we stop whining and push our message, like folks like Krugman are, progressives will soon be able to have the same effect on the media, Rupert Murdoch not withstanding.
(The Economist recently mentioned in passing that Rupert is becoming more liberal!)
wouldn't become irrelevant.
Obama's gonna be a fuukin bonanza for the Rightards.
Rightwing talk is gonna GROW between now and '12. Obama should demand a piece of the action, he's gonna be so profitable for these ass-wipes...
In motivating people, you've got to engage their minds and their hearts. I motivate people, I hope, by example - and perhaps by excitement, by having productive ideas to make others feel involved.
"Rupert Murdoch"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
the mainstream media doesn't assume the rightwing has credibility.
the msm leans far right b/c the msm IS part of the rightwing. corporate owned and controlled, and ideologically in bed with the right.
no matter what progressives do, the msm--as it exists today--will NEVER adopt a progressive outlook.
it is not about pushing the message--as the conversation relates to the media--it is about challenging media conglomeration, corporate-controlled media, advertising-based news broadcasts, etc. until that changes, nothing will change, imo.
..GREED.
We're guilty of over-thinking this one.
Ah yes, knee-jerk that corporate conspiracy message until you're blue in the face, not even considering the possibility that things could be more complex than that. You, not the corporate elite, are more of the reason the progressive agenda is not in place in this country. We don't 'challenge the media conglomeration', whatever that means, we patiently push the message, one-by-one, to the so-called 'Joe Plummers'. This is the model of change our new president is trying to instill, and I'm on board.
Right on, Samson.
Murdoch supported Bush's war and is just as guilty of war crimes as the entire wicked crew that attacked Iraq.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
And we all know what really caused 9-11, and that was when some guys in the bathrooms lit their own farts.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
By definition, that means he'd bring down the value of a currency--any currency, and by association, any country--if he had the 'right' position in it.
It's all part of my diabolical master plan to increase my unquenchable thirst for wealth and power. It is I, Monty Burns, who has created this havoc, and I say, "Excellent!" *tents fingertips*
Bruce C Johnson
I think there's a lot of merit in an international economy and global markets, but they're not sufficient because markets don't look after social needs.
"George Soros"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Soros also gained many critics along his path to financial success. Through his International currency speculating he was once given the nickname of "the man who broke the bank of England" from a deal that earned him more than one billion US dollars. He has also been accused of negatively affecting the Malaysian ringgit during the Asian financial crisis through his aggressive currency speculation.
Thanks for the info. :-)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
the consolidated media.
NEVAR HAPUN!
That which cash has joined together, no mere man may put asunder...
UNLESS: the big media guys believe they've wrecked the big operators sufficiently that they'll never pose any danger as the Fourth Estate-qua-Fourth Estate.
Then they might turn loose of their meida properties, piecemeal, on the clear understanding that their NEWS capacity was fatally compromised, and all that was left was stenography for the State propaganda, and mindless info-tainment.
But in any case, the days of the crusading editor relentlessy pursuing 'truth' is long gone...
There is so much media now with the Internet and people, and so easy and so cheap to start a newspaper or start a magazine, there's just millions of voices and people want to be heard.
"Rupert Murdoch "
:-)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
if 'publishing' is such child's play?
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
Let people raise doubts about the "Box-Cutter Theory" of 9-11 and WE are blasted as crazy conspiracy theorists.
When in fact, the only REAL conspiracies are those hatched by the Cowboy Wing of the CIA and their puppets within the Administrations.
Typical through-the-looking-glass behavior of the Reich Wing.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
assholes like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and Karl Rove
should not have access to a public forum. but, because we
have a bill of rights for everyone, we have to tolerate
them. where are the
republicanspeoplewho got so angry and outraged, they assassinated good American presidents. but they sit back with their heads up their
asses and condone every crime committed by bush, cheney and rove.
Is exactly why i disagree with you with all my being. What we need is not to silence the Limbaughs and the O'Riellys but to give voice and a platform to the rest of us.
Why does "Liberal Mastermind" seem like an oxymoron to me? I am not suggesting Liberals are stupid, but let's face facts. We have not been able to create Universal Health Care, our schools suck and Clinton was the closest thing to a Liberal we have had in the White House since Carter. If the liberals are so powerful what are we waiting for?
December 21, 2012....Doomsday..well, this is a conspiracy post?!
I mean, he could say the truth that:
1.) The national debt nearly doubled under Bush
2.) They fought the war on terrorism where the enemy wasn't and left stagnant the front where the enemy was, squandering $600B.
3.) The GOP opposed regulations on Wall Street. Their last Presidential candidate was calling himself "Mr. Deregulator".
4.) The GOP has opposed reforming health care to make it cost competitive with our competitors, putting our industries that provide health care to their employees at a disadvantage.
But, if Limbaugh says things like that, he isn't going to help his cause. Hence the parallel reality continues.
For the last thirty years republicans have been buying up the media. They own it all print, TV, Radio.
They own all the so called reporters, really readers.
They pay these people huge sums of money to make them easier to control.
You cannot even trust the weather forcast on the TV.
If the have some propaganda they want to get out they will even use the weather channel.
Just stop using the tv and radio for news. Remember like I told my daughter over twenty years ago; don't believe anything you see on the TV. Ever!
For all of the denials, corporate media is the heart of the wingnut sound machine. Despite being wrong on everything, literally everything, we still get the same schmucks hosing down the public with the same conservative talking points on every broadcast and cable 'news' program and print publication. Journalistic accountability? please. More like journalistic co-conspirators.
And please if I hear any more of this post-partisan bullshit, I'm gonna puke. Conservatives do not compromise and expecting that they will, if we sacrifice just a little more of our principles, is the same masochistic, co-dependent thinking that's resulted in the ruin of America.
These assholes will claim anything just to save face, and will lie at any moment to inflate the facts. When in two years, I hope in God, America is back again to Clinton standards and maybe better under the guidance of Obama, these fuckers will claim that the Bush tax cuts are reponsible for America's economic boom.
It is pointless to listen to those idiots.
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