Duncan Hunter sez overturning DADT will turn the military into 'hermaphrodites'
Having gays not be afraid to openly talk about themselves is really freaking out the conservative movement. Don't you remember when anything that a military leader said was sacrosanct when a Republican was president? That doesn't count anymore.
Duncan Hunter makes a fool of himself on NPR, and although the host didn't point out the flaw in his argument, she just repeated his words back to him as if saying, "Is this guy kidding me?"
Hunter: No, because I think it's bad for the cohesiveness and the unity in the military especially those that are in close combat, close quarters in country right now, it's not the time to do it. I think the military is not civilian and I think the folks that have been in the military in very close situations with each other, there has to be a special bond there and I think that bond is broken.
If you open up the military to transgenders, to hermaphrodites to gays and lesbians.
Host: Transgenders and hermaphrodites?
Yea, that's going to be part of this thing. It's not just gays an lesbians, it's this whole thing.
My GOD, where's Rick "man on dog" Santorum when you need him? Pretty soon the entire military will be banging cats and dogs and soon will be trying to marry their pets.
For conservatives, it's never the time to do anything. And you know just being next to teh Gay will rub off on the next soldier and he may want to just start making out as heavy artillery falls. That could happen, couldn't it? I know James Dobson's BFF Tony Perkins probably thinks so.
Pam's House Blend has more.
And you know just being next to teh Gay will rub off on the next soldier and he may want to just start making out as heavy artillery falls. That could happen, couldn't it?
One can only dream...
Wet dream?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
You're not supposed to ask ys.
At least not yet.
those were the days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NQppa348eA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
they were a lot cheaper than a date.
where do these people come from?
is a wannabee Saint Reagan like Arnold Reaganegger who fucked up California due to the fact that Pete Wilson is still really the Gov.
Ya mean we'll all be sportin'
http://www.partypants.co.uk/images/wigs-mutha...
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War and sex come from the same part of the brain. That's why spontaneous orgies erupt on the battle field with frequency.
Later in the interview, Hunter says,
"If you're going to let anybody in, no matter what preference -- what sexual preference -- they have, that means the military is going to probably let everybody in"
Had I realized hermaphrodism was a preference, I'd have embraced it long ago. I mean, it really opens up my options.
Ya know, I have always felt inadequate having only one set of genitals. If you know of any america-hating people that sell extra ones let me know. I bet ACORN sells them and donates part of the profits to terrorists.
Seriously, Hunter is a right-wing idiot. Always has been.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
As a woman, sometimes a penis would come in handy. When you have a penis, the world is your toilet.
As for cat-marriage, I am all for it. Cats are clean, need the occasional rub and pretty much leave you the hell alone. What more can a woman ask for?
Even if it's only a few cm long, zip flies can cause real agony, especially when young. Trust me on that. It also tends to freak out boyfriends. Trust me on that one too :(
And the correct term is "Intersexed" not "Hermaphrodite".
And yes, some of us are already in the military. Few MOS's actually require typical genitalia. We get some remarks in showers etc but we're used to that from primary school.
theirmaphrodites, ourmaphrodites.
"ourmaphrodites"
And you can't have them!
I live in San Diego and have to deal with this A-hole on the radio every day (not that I listen to his program). When Air America used to be on here, the local air america program hosted by a great unsung progressive who's also funny and intelligent, Stacy Taylor, used to make fun of Hunter all the time. I've scanned by Hunter's show and paused for a minute or two just to see what idiocy this jerk off is spouting. I've never heard anything I agree with coming from his show and sometimes, the few moments I listen he's talking like a psychopath. He's in the vein of a Limbaugh, Beck, OReilly without the ratings.
you must've loved Arnold Reaganegger's favorite 'advisor', Pete Wilson.
SD was a great town before that midget wannabee Napolean.
just because Duncan Hunter is afraid of gays. He is only one of our reps. San Diego County has a total of 5 reps and Susan Davis represents the city of San Diego. And I think Arnold has done a great job with what he was given. It's not easy to break the power of the CA unions that feel they are entitled to control of our state government.
I live in San Diego too and my radio is practically useless to me because of the illiberal talk shows on every AM station. Here in Rancho Bernardo, you can't get FM because of the mountains.
I have heard forced-to-resign San Diego mayor Roger Hedgecock and his right wing rants, but didn't know that yet another sleazy San Diego politician had a talk show.
When does Randy "Duke" Cunningham get his show? He plead guilty to taking millions in bribes from military contractors. He, like G. Gordon Liddy, should qualify for sociopath radio.
You know what...it was Roger Hedgecock who I'm thinking of. It's easy to confuse these tools....they're all cut from the same cheap cloth.
Next thing you know my dog will be able to enlist in the military, then it will be the old mean guy who lives across the steet. Will there be no end to this insanity? Not the insanity of who will be in the military but the insanity of the words coming from republican mouths.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"Hey you kids! Get off of my battlefield! And take your ugly dog too!"
This battlefield is just for straight white guys who will refrain from bragging about how many farm animals they have been intimate with in their formative years.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...than a homophobic moron. He shames the Marine Corps with his assinine comments.
Obama and many in the Pentagon are pushing to repeal DADT because of the overwhelming positive experience of the British in the last year, as well as data from other NATO militaries which have allowed gays to openly serve for many years.
Guess what? It's not an issue. No significant problems reported.
Of course, the knuckle draggers like Hunter (he was my congressman for years and he is an ASS), peddle crap like this.
My favorite yesterday was cracker senator Jeff Sessions telling Admiral Mike Mullen, head of the joint chiefs, that he was "out of line" for offering his opinion on the matter to congress. What a tool.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
This morning on c-span I learned that the US and Turkey are the only two original NATO countries who do not allow gays to serve openly in their military.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I heard a VA Dem yesterday, claim Russia, China and N. Korea. ???
Amended: Oh.. original NATO? :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
nothing a Republican won't demonize.
They'll yap about abortion while napalming pregnant women in Iraq, Vietnam, Panama.
It was his father who was your congressman for years. They're both named Duncan.
It could be said, though, that this acorn didn't fall far from the tree.
This comment appears downthread, it went to the wrong place first.
He hath spawned a son? Been a while since I lived in SD. Did my research. Thanks, you're right. That is the son. Talk about Daddy's clone.
North County SD will re-elect this ass for he next 20 years. Yuppie-conservative Limbaugh-lovin country there....
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
..sessions MUST BE a traitor! Get him out! After eight years of listening to the Admirals and the Generals or being called un-American or a traitor for not listening, now the right is deaf. Perfect.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
is a bible-thumpin' racist, lying douchebag who helped take us to Iraq. He's always been a traitor to me.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
This is kind of on topic. When I was in San Francisco a few weeks ago, I learned a new word. "Himmer" It's both a him and a her.
You're not any better than they are, John. You make it sound like cats and dogs don't need love or something.
That's pretty darn insensitive, ESPECIALLY for a flaming liberal.
...his absolute lies and alarmist bigotry...Wolf Blitzer allowed him to go on and on with his hate of course.
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
Can I start a petition for St God's day?
;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
If Saint Patrick and Saint Valentine can have one, yeah sure, why not Saint God.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
What this country needs is anyone on the left to grow a pair of balls and not be worried sick that they won't be re'elected. We need term fuckin' limits on these assholes!!!!!!!!Every one of them!!!!! Period......................................................
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
I'm not sure Duncan would be happy with someone who could just "grow a pair of balls". That would be a whole new group he could bitch about.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Isn't a hermaphrodite kinda like a human version of the Swiss army knife? You'd think they'd want some of those.
They whine about fiscal responsibility yet they don't live by that principle, EVER. They oppose equality for race, gender, sexual orientation. They oppose health care for all. The want to rid the country of the dept of the education. Forget about the environment, It's in Gods hands, as if any God cares about pollutants. When it comes right down to what they really want its this. More Wars...they spend more time turning back the clock on social issues that greatly affect our nation and ultimately the world. I'm sick of conservatives....and now we're stuck with Fox News, Beck, Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Palin.....the list goes on doesn't it?
that these people will eventually go too far. Then they will be destroyed. Keep the faith. One way or another, we the keepers of common sense will prevail over these morons.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
If I were a soldier under fire in combat, I wouldn't care what the person beside me had or didn't have in his or her pants or what they did with what they had, I would just hope to hell they wanted to survive as much as I did.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... you're worried about which way the soldier beside you swings, you're not paying attention to your job.
THAT'S what's gonna get ya killed, Rep. Hunter.
Theoretically, then, if our soldiers are so easily distractable by issues of sexuality, the enemy can parade some centerfolds or something around and our troops will fall apart.
The enemy in Afghainistan already dropping on our soldiers nude pictures of carrie prejean with this face pasted on:
http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009...
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It makes me sick to my stomach to listen to either side anymore. None of the assholes we have in washington care one iota what goes on out here. This country has fallen into the abyss and there is small chance of rescue. I fear for this (my) republic. If there is a god I can only hope he punishes these pukes for what they do.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
to serve...
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
about 10% of my division were gay. Everyone respected everyone's sexual preference as their own business. As far as getting the job done, we broke records and received awards for our performance.
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
- Adolf Hitler (R)
i doubt that percentage. just because guys cornhole and blow each other doesn't mean they're gay. but cuddling afterwards is a sure sign.
A call was made from the chair I believe... to compensate all applicable veterans at full boat w/o bias. Onward U.S Soldiers and Sailors... :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I would chalk this comment up to ignorance on homosexuals and the military. This guy apparently knows only what WWII movies have taught him about the military, the fact that not all of us are out there shooting and killing would be lost on this guy. I wonder what he even thinks the signal corps is?
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Do these doofuses (doofi?) think that gays are going to want to sashay into battle wearing pink boas and leather pants? What is the MATTER with these people!? Are they really that afraid, or are they just teh stupid?
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
Both.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
they're that stupid.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln
John Amato seems to imply that it would just be silly to allow transgendered or intersexed Americans to serve their country. I would greatly hope that is not how he feels about it and all joking aside, gays have it FAR better under DADT than do transgendered and intersexed people who HAVEN'T VIOLATED THE UCMJ. Gays and lesbians get thrown out, true but with their benefits intact while if a transgendered service member is discovered, he or she is usually tossed out on a trumped up criminal or drug charge because there is no legal grounds to dismiss them from the service. I'm not saying that DADT is a good policy for gays or for the military but the incredulity with which the NPR host seems to greet the suggestion that transgendered people be allowed to serve and seemingly echoed by John Amato is very, very disappointing to me.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Soldier's Girl
They made a movie that's kind of about that. Welll, not really but it is a good movie.
Please cite what passage in John's text that you're referring to.
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
John, as I read it, your logic goes:Conservatives compare gays and lesbians to transsexuals and intersexed; that's so outrageous! Why not just make the jump to bestiality?!
You may not have intended to, but your association of trans to bestiality here is both unfounded and insulting. And you wonder why bigots target us? Isn't it past time for American progressives to get a clue about transsexuality, transgender, and intersex?
I think your argument would have been stronger just going for the absurdity and offensiveness of Hunter's homophobia and transphobia. Period.
...our service members are so strongly attached to the idea of heterosexuality that letting gay and lesbian service members, that most enlisted already know are there, bring their boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband/partner to the unit picnic would destroy the entire Military. Right. Just like McCain saying that we need to keep DADT to deal with the problem of underperforming recruitment. Although, this from the party that honestly believes, despite years of practical evidence to the contrary, that cutting taxes alone will increase tax revenues...
Actually, it was his father, also named Duncan, who was your congressman for years. This guy is newly elected.
That being said, this acorn didn't fall far from the tree.
God, republicans are such frickin pussies. Always pissing their pants about everything. When the hell are they gonna grow a pair?
Hermaphrodites got the answer to that question pretty early in life.
I doubt they will ever grow a pair. Because they will never grow up! These guys in the GOP are perpetual teen agers. I don't think you can fine one person in the GOP that shows any form of maturity. They are always trying to play with someone elses toys, always looking to get a few brownie points. Pun intended.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
We gots ta keep them homersexils and transmitters outta da military.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Let's be PC about it. "heterosexually challenged" is better.
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IMO republicans have been fucking themselves while they have been busy fucking the rest of us for the last thirty years. But in their defense You can't fix stupid.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
In regard to gays in the military I think this was pretty well covered by Babe Hefron, one of the Easy Company Band of Brothers from WW2.
Babe was in a foxhole at night with another GI who was sleeping and rolled over and starts humping Babe, dreaming it was his wife. Babe tries to wake him up and finally says, "Ive got on my pants,heavy overcoat and blanket. I can't help ya!"
It's my opinion that in a combat situation, you're not gonna care whether or not the guy next to you is gay or not. All you care is that he is going to do his duty as a soldier, kill the enemy and help you stay alive.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
I happened to catch this yesterday. Hunter's absurdities almost left the interviewer speechless. Of course being on Nice Polite Republicans she didn't challenge him on his nuttiness.
... you don't want gays anywhere. Not in the military, not teaching our kids, not in fire departments or police departments, not working in grocery stores or hotels, nothing.
But it's okay to have the adulterers on C-Street.
I live in San Diego County but in the next congressional district. This idiot only got elected because his district is far right, red neck for the most part. Most of the knuckle draggers thought that they were voting for his father. His opponent, a former SEAL, was much more qualified, but had no chance in such a conservative district. Hunter, jr. is a legacy idiot. Our congressman, Bilbray, is a carpetbagger idiot. He replaced our last fool, Cunningham, who went to prison. And so it goes.
yellowdogD - Actually this asshole's first name is actually Dwayne. He started going by Duncan (his middle name) when he decided to run for his father's seat. Opportunistic prick. A lot of the rednecks in the district thought that they were voting for the father.
Thank you for the clarification. It's good to know.
I suspected many voters would think they were voting for the old man.
This country is full of high information voters, don't you know.
For years, these republican men turned a deaf ear to the cries of the service women who were brutally raped while serving our country. But, the thought of a gay man within the ranks is somehow the worst thing that could ever happen and must be stopped!
and compassionate, and would not ignore what has happened to service women who've been raped. These Republican men are just sociopaths, is all.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I almost wrecked when he mentioned hermaphrodites.
What does he have against people who are born with both parts? Did his prostitute have a surprise for him?
....it was a real "YELL AT MY RADIO" moment. And then when he said something about how we are NOT Britain nor Canada I was screaming that this policy is more like North Korea and China and Iran - countries who ALSO ban gays from their military.
It's the 21st century for crying out loud!!
all it takes is all of us
The production year in Austria for Cuo Koo clocks has got to be skyrocketing to staggering levels... Assclown resluglicans are handing them out by the truck load.... AND saving the fullest trucks for themselves!!
Amazing stuff....You sure these people are actually people???
I heard this and, while I expected this idiocy out of Duncan Hunter, I was embarrassed for the show's host when she didn't call him on his, um, flaw..
And isn't Hermaphroditism a medical condition? Would/Should that condition prevent somebody from being able to defend this nut's freedom?
And really.. during his short stint in the military, he didn't know or know of any out gay or lesbian soldiers?
Yep, we let dem dam homos in the military bases are going to look like a Mardis Gras parade every day.
is intended to be a factual statement
This explains it!
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/gays_to...
I was in the Navy and the Naval Reserve from 1971 to 1981. There were gay people in the Navy back then. We didn't care. As long as they could do their jobs and we could count on them, we did not care. I worked as a civilian in a hospital for over twenty years. I worked with a lot of gay people. They seemed to be able to do their jobs just fine. My wife and I are Episcopalians. We have gay folks in our congregation. They are our friends. Doesn't diminish our marriage at all. Imagine that.
Boy you got that right!!!
But only when Dems are in charge, because if Repubs ever regain a majority along with the White House, it's ALWAYS time for tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulating big business, and taking away anything that had to do with the New Deal.
If they are, they are most likely hermaphrodites, since major corporations employ both straight and homosexual "parts".
God doesn't make mistakes.
This acorn didn't fall too far from the tree...but he's even worse than his father. Incredible.
some crazy attempt to keep the other people in LGBT out of the military. I really don't get right-wingers.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Annaleigh -
I did not mean to imply anything negative about gays, I simply think that perhaps Republican men are secretly afraid that THEY are gay. Why else would they have such a crusade against gay men in the military? In fact, Duncan Hunter mentioned the horror of allowing gay men in the showers.
sexually in general, wouldn't surprise me if some of them are afraid they're gay.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
They have to be one or both. Otherwise, why would they believe that homosexuality is a choice?
Wait a second. Are hermaphrodites not allowed in the military? If not, why not?
They will want to screen out the XXY and XYY soldier too, the master race cannot fight along side such obviously flawed individuals!
You may notice, Prop 8, Catholic Church in MA not wanting to participate in adoptions with gay individuals preferring to discontinue the adoption biz outright, if required to do so. Gay marriage seems to be an affront to their religious liberty and "Not" just Catholics... it just as they believe it. You want to see some heads explode, watch how this Military thing plays out, I say bring it on!
You think the Insurance companies put up a fight for self-preservation... you ain't seen nothing yet!
Like Andyk said, there are liberal believers as well as the radical ones... it's just a matter of interpretation.
John Lennon: Imagine...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
but repealing DADT will be ugly. That I am sure of.
"Better." It's what we should ask of ourselves and of our leaders.
Another site gives the figure of 1.7% with sexual ambiguity of some kind.
I have to say, that's a lot more than I imagined.
On the other hand, the number of "real" cases appears much smaller... more like 1 in 1000... but that means hundreds or thousands potentially in the army already, or potentially eligible to use their skills there, if they are now excluded.
The Sax definition below puts the figure as low as below 2 in 10,000 (0.018%)
(see wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexuality
1 in 500 males have the extra X. It doesn't always show up in any sexual characteristics.
0.2% of phenotypical males are 47XXY, not 46XY
~0.001% of phenotypical females are 47XXY too, not 46XX.
So at minimum, 0.1%+ of humans are IS just from Klinefelter syndrome alone.
Then there's cases like these guys (CNN report). Protogynous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodites. That's about 1 in 50,000 in the general population from spontaneous mutations, but 1 in 500 in Gaza (due to 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency) - and one in 90 in the Dominican Republic (due to 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency).
Protandrous dichogamous pseudogermaphrodites exist, but are much rarer. Only one in several million girls are born looking mostly like boys.
consists of them wearing whale bone corsets, top hats, and monocles - and the rest of us wearing chains working their cotton fields. Ah yes, the good old days.
With the amount of surgery that goes into many transgenders, there is no way they would get beyond the physical.
In Australia, they resign, get treated, and are re-admitted with no loss of seniority. Just new uniforms etc.
Are you an abomination if he gave you both male and female genitalia?
What does the law say about hermaphrodite marriage?
(KJV translation)
Matthew 19:12 first line: "For there are some born eunuchs of their mother's womb"
Isaiah 56:4-5
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
We're supposed to get a special place in Heaven because of all of the crap we have to take on Earth. God knows we earn it sometimes (see below).
The Law is inconsistent regarding marriage of Intersexed people. For example, in the UK, I could only marry another woman, as I'm legally male there. But in Australia, where I live, I could only marry a man, as I'm legally female here. Both countries prohibit same-sex marriage.
In the USA, it's worse, if anything. From Littleton vs Littleton :
"Taking this situation to its logical conclusion, Mrs. Littleton, while in San Antonio, Texas, is a male and has a void marriage; as she travels to Houston, Texas, and enters federal property, she is female and a widow; upon traveling to Kentucky she is female and a widow; but, upon entering Ohio, she is once again male and prohibited from marriage; entering Connecticut, she is again female and may marry; if her travel takes her north to Vermont, she is male and may marry a female; if instead she travels south to New Jersey, she may marry a male."
Intersexed people need a legal degree and extensive knowledge of federal, state, and even city/county law, just to know what public restrooms it's legal for them to use. And to know whether if arrested for using the "wrong" one, they'd be held for months before trial in strict solitary in a punishment block, or amongst male or female inmates. In some jurisdictions, they're automatically entered on a sex offenders registry, without having to be arrested or convicted of anything, just based on their medical records.
See for example here :
Some intersex individuals need anti-androgen medication. Because those medicines are not recognized treatments for the specific diagnosis the only path to that medication is to register the intersex person in question as a potential sex offender at the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Canberra.
Yes, I'm on it.
Intersexed people do not, in general, fair well in legal systems that only recognise male and female, and punish those who transgress the boundaries. Legislation meant to be punitive against Gays always catches us in the crossfire.
Actually the military is already hermaphrodite
If by that ya mean unisexual.
Now it's another topic what the hermaphrodite's sexual orientation is...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... Duncan Hunter will be caught getting corn holed in some airport mens room.
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
You know that the Republicans all think the US Military is "God's Army". If "the queers" (as I'm sure they all put it behind closed doors) are allowed to openly serve, then it's very hard for it to be "God's Army" anymore!
For the record, I have an openly gay brother. Don't have a problem with it and I actually enjoy his gay friends. If ANYONE tries to tell you it's a choice, just look at them and ask them "at what point did you choose to be straight?"
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