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sixandseveneights's picture

A majority of Texas Republicans hate America!
http://kos.dailykos.com/

America, love it or leave it nutters! I'll even hold the door for ya you betcha!

pissed off patricia's picture

All I've heard them talk about so far is guns, but I just turned in on a few minutes ago.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Blue Lensman's picture

I get tired of his/er constant grand-standing, yakking and generally trying to keep their own mug in the camera instead of the person giving the testimony.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Congressmen yak?

Who gnu?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

w7com's picture
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Ewe did.

MsJoanne's picture

I can't watch any of this for a while...any running commentary would be enormously appreciated!!!

Thanks, all!!

EastCoastLefty62's picture

MsJoanne,

In addfition to C&L, I suggest you go to antiwar.com along with listening to antiwar radio as well.

I would also suggest you visit Counterpunch.org, DissidentVoice.com, and ConsortiumNews.com. as well.

MsJoanne's picture

I am teaching a class and have limited access. That I can even get to this blog is pretty amazing.

EastCoastLefty62's picture

On Torture, the Pressure Builds
by Ray McGovern, April 23, 2009

EXCERPTS:

"...In Wednesday’s New York Times, reporters Scott Shane and Mark Mazzetti plow much the same ground. But please do not misunderstand. They deserve praise for finally pushing their own article past the Times‘ censors, but let’s not pretend the startling revelations are new....The Times ought to allow the likes of Shane and Mazzetti to publish these stories when they are fresh. Alternatively, the “newspaper of record” might at least report the findings of the likes of Eban, rather than ignoring them for nearly two years.
It’s pretty much all out there now, isn’t it? Not only the Times‘ better-late-than-never “exposé,” but also:

–The (leaked) text of the report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on the torture of “high-value” detainees;
–The too-slick-by-half “legal opinions” under Department of Justice letterhead;
–The findings of the 18-month investigation by the Senate Armed Services Committee highlighting that it was President George W. Bush’s dismissal of Geneva (in his executive order of Feb. 7, 2002) that “opened the door” to abuse of detainees."

"It is highly unusual for the President to feel it necessary to visit CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Vivid in my memory is the visit by President George W. Bush on Sept. 26, 2001, just two weeks after the intelligence/defense/policy failures permitted the attacks of September 11. For some time it remained something of a puzzle, why the President felt it prudent to appear at CIA with his arm around then-CIA Director George Tenet, endorsing his leadership without reservation and bragging about having the best intelligence service in the world. In retrospect, it was a Faustian bargain. Former CIA Director and Medal of Freedom winner, George Tenet, can be forgiven for being somewhat apprehensive these days — especially in the wake of the article by Shane and Mazzetti. But let’s leave aside for now the obviously heinous – like running George W. Bush’s global Gestapo complete with secret prisons and torture chambers, a criminal enterprise that Tenet shoe-horned into the operations directorate of the CIA...."

"In a recent article on torture, I asked what might be holding the administration back on moving forward with investigation and holding accountable those proven guilty, in order to end this shameful chapter in American history once and for all. A reader offered an answer: What’s holding them back? I’ll tell you, she said. His name is John D. Rockefeller, IV. He and other Democratic (as well as Republican) lawmakers knew of the torture and did nothing, she added. The writer gave her name as Kathleen Rockefeller; she described herself as a cousin with courage. The disclosures in the Shane/Mazzetti article today, and plenty of other evidence suggest that Ms. Rockefeller in not far off the mark. Powerful forces are working on our President. Maybe, just maybe, he insisted on releasing those torture memos with the thought that the rest of us would be appropriately outraged — so outraged that we would put inexorable pressure on him to hold everyone, repeat everyone, accountable."

Read the entire article at:
http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2009/04/...

proudlyprogressive's picture

She's ripe now, and freer to speak. She wants to blow the whistle - should be helped to counter any, all Torture Appologists. Welcome, General.

sixandseveneights's picture

Kittens lets the troops take the fall for the Bush regime's torture policy.

That's what I call supporting the troops Republican style!

sixandseveneights's picture

Kittens said Clinton could have been procecuted for not protecting America for a terrorist attack? Did I hear that teabagger correctly? The biggest terrorist attack on American soil ever happened on Bush's watch.

These Rushthugliklans know their base is ignorant as shit to fall for the shit. Yet they keep electing reps like Kittens so obviously it works.

proudlyprogressive's picture

French support workers taking bosses hostage. Le Monde, Apr. 14, 09. "In less than a month five industrial sites have seenworkers detaining their boss or senior company executives. After Sony (Landes), 3M (Loiret), Caterpillar (Isere), and Scapa (Ain), the employees of Faurecia (Essonne) launched, Thursday 9 April, into an action detaining their managers . . . Despite the condemnation by the head of state -- "I will not allow things like this to happen," he declared on 7 April -- the French people themselves do seem to understand, even approve of, these actions." English URL unavailable. Sarkozy is a neocon fascist windbag and a paper tiger.

Wayne Madsen Report today, April 23

Edwin's picture

As someone from abroad, I'm curious, is this whole-torture-topic a topic of conversation amongst "ordinary Americans"? Are people "at the water cooler" discussing it, or...

Is it business as usual, with only people like us so keenly interested, or is there a conversation (or argument) going on in your communities?


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

Evet's picture

topic. You may have noticed Americans rarely put their money and action where their mouth is.

Edwin's picture

I suppose you pay a lot of people to do that for you on the teevee. Advertisers love it. Feed those trolls, buy something now. And the cycle continues...


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

Truth_Critic's picture

If you were grading Barack Obama on his performance as president, what would he get?

[ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493093/ ]


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Terrible's picture

The only thing I want to hear from TORTURE loving Eric Holder is that he's resigning to spend more time with his family!

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