Karl Rove proud of using waterboarding and says it's not torture.
Karl Rove goes on the BBC and defends waterboarding and tries to justify its use by saying that it's not a black and white issue and reasonable people can disagree. Huh? In his twisted mind the Iraq war was pretty awesome too even though there were no WMD's found.
Leave it to the BBC to not pussyfoot around with an interview.
In a BBC interview, Karl Rove, who was known as "Bush's brain", said he "was proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists".
He said waterboarding, which simulates drowning, should not be considered torture.
In 2009, President Barack Obama banned waterboarding as a form of torture.
But the practice was sanctioned in written memos by Bush administration lawyers in August 2002, providing legal cover for its use.
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"I'm proud that we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists and gave us valuable information that allowed us to foil plots such as flying aeroplanes into Heathrow and into London, bringing down aircraft over the Pacific, flying an aeroplane into the tallest building in Los Angeles and other plots," Mr Rove told the BBC.
"Yes, I'm proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They're appropriate, they're in conformity with our international requirements and with US law."
Hey, Turdblossom----waterboarding is torture. It's always been considered torture and there is no reasonable middle ground position to argue that point. The Geneva Conventions addressed that and the interviewer reminded him of those pesky treaties. The Bush administration even said it was so in their own memos.
A Bush administration memo from 2005, intended to establish a legal basis for aggressive interrogation techniques, contains a footnote that actually describes waterboarding as falling within the administration's definition of torture.
The footnote, found within one of the Office of Legal Council memos released by the Obama administration on Thursday, suggests that officials in the previous White House likely knew that they were torturing terrorism suspects at a time when they claimed to not be involved in such a practice. Bush officials also acknowledged in a different footnote that for a period of time, waterboarding was "used with far greater frequency" and "intensity" than advised, so much so that medical personnel could not confirm the safety of the detainees.
Attorney General in the house???!
If so, you are needed by the American People.
Their country is imploding due to a lack of justice....
Please respond ASAP.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
amen. Where the fuck are you Mr. AG?
Justice, if there is any, doesn't apply to us.
Republicans have given us two enduring rules:
1.If the President does it, it is legal.
2.If the USA does it, it is legal, moral, and right.
Now Democrats have added a third rule:
3.Since America is never wrong, there is simply no basis to hold any American accountable.
American Exceptionalism seems to mean every country "except" America must follow laws and treaties.
That rule #1 only applies to Republican Presidents. If Obama tortures someone you can bet the Republicans will be calling for his head on a pike.
Eric Massa.
The AG is nowhere to be seen because most Americans buy the myth/lie that "Americans prosecute war crimes, we don't commit them". When a country can exempt itself from laws that every other nation is held to, it creates resentment and shows bias and hypocrisy.
Committing terrorism doesn't stop terrorism, it encourages it.
I want to thank whomever put in the foot note about waterboarding being torture and being used anyway. May the universe smile upon you forever.
I asked him when prosecutions of Yoo, Bybee, and Bradbury were going to take place. I sent copies to just about every official in the DOJ who would be peripherally involved. I asked for them to at least reply to me. That was a month ago. I haven't heard anything yet.
Shouldn't Son of Sam laws prevent these fuckers from getting book royalties?
..convicted.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
it's never gonna happen.
the pig has no morals, no ethics, just hate & lies. Did we expect anything different?
More, he must have received the questions in advance. Turn the sound off and watch the clip. He is reciting answers that have been practiced and thought out in advance of the interview. Practiced lying/rationalizations.
Do these clown realize that these interviews can be used against them in war crimes tribunals? He's trying to brazen it out by boasting, and all he is doing is both confessing and implicating his partners in war crimes. I don't believe our pathetic legal system will ever hold he or his cronies responsible (accountability is only for the peon class in this country). But...I could see another country trying them.
If I was one of these assholes, I'd never leave the country for fear of arrest.
Letting the arch-criminals of American history escape all consequence of their uncountable crimes is just one more indication that this is a failed state, a failed democracy and a rapidly failing plutocracy.
Sure Karl , and black is white - white is black . These devils just make up their own truth and reality and they stick to it .
These Repubs gather to vote on verbage to be used for each on going subject that is currently "hot" news ... no brains needed ... then they all chant the exact same whenever they are pulled on the carpet to respond to the subject ... talk about lame!
No. They just take their marching orders every morning from the holy fax machine reserved for such a purpose.
done it the U.K.? Shouldn't he have been arrested, or was he too afraid to leave american soil and did the interview here?
The interviewer said Rove was in NY.
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I missed it.
Ever since someone described him as looking like Porky Pig, that's all I see when I think of him. But with pants on.
and crazy enough in NY to do it. If only.
We can strap Rove down right now, in the of camaraderie and good times! Because waterboarding is NOT torture! He won't mind!
C'mon, Butterbutt! Time for fun and games!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
I wonder how long it would take for him to admit that it's torture and he's a liar and a turdblossom... Whoever did it to him would probably have to answer to assault charges, but just for tying him down. Not for the non-crime of the internationally-recognized torture of waterboarding...
How would he respond to the pakistani government if they said
"I'm proud that we used waterboarding techniques that broke the will of these US terrorists and gave us valuable information that allowed us to foil plots such as drone attacks on civilians" officials told the BBC.
.. with more drone attacks ..
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..if any of our captured troops or citizens were waterboarded. If it wasn't such a horrible thought, anybody getting tortured that is, it would be a sight to behold.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
As a practical matter, we are headed for tragedy.
If I was a member of the US Army or Marine Corp, I would be terrified at the prospect of being captured by hostile forces.
Water boarding will seem like a walk in the park compared to what may await them.
..apologize to the families of people we tried for waterboarding and put to death. I'm sure they'd like to get some reparations also.
I didn't know kkkarl rove was in the Red Cross? They're the only organization that can determine what is and what isn't torture so how does he get to make this claim? mr. holder, are you listening? Can we stop looking forward and all do our jobs now like investigating the Red Cross' allegations of waterboarding that we all know occurred? How long before we all get tortured for guilty pleas? Its coming because of the past administration and there'll be nothing to stop these miscreants. Wake up mr. president, you're not doing yourselves any favors here. I'm not voting for another criminal which is what you will be considered if we don't go..oh wait, too late, we're all war criminals until you go after the real ones.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
infests the body politic. The AG will NOT do the right thing because it would offend some Very Important People.
Money and connections trump justice in the Corporate States of Amerikkka.
Chump change.
Letting these swine off the hook for their crimes this country will never again be what it was before the village idiot and the neocon lunatics got hold of the White House .We will never really recover . If Obama and the Dems did go after these guys I wonder how far they would have gotten ? The Supreme court is not exactly honorable and legitimate these days . Damn , the right wing / Repugs sure did a number on this country , it's almost unbelievable ... still .
Naw. Remember yesterday's thread? Tom Brokaw, the villager, is going to take him down.
Quick question: The "village idiot" you speak of was coddled, excused and facilitated by a group of journalists called "the villagers".
Coincidence?
..waterboarding?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
let's hope Gregory doesn't do the programming.
"We all know now that the United States would have been a glowing charcoal ember had it not been for your non-torturing water-boarding efforts. What do you say to your critics today?" - Brokaw to Rove
escaped me when I read your post.
BROKAW: "Some on the far left think that Bush administration officials should be criminally tried for some political reasons. What's your response to these ridiculous people?"
says "the far left" like were a bunch of lunatics or something. Why not say "concerned american citizens?" This really pisses me off. It's a way to delegitimize our concerns in way that republicans were allowed to turn liberal into a dirty word.
"Citizen" is code word for "concerned right wing apologist." Leftists are called "activists." It sounds a little more uppity.
would be a teabagger.
..he wouldn't say "..ridiculous people?". He'd have to say patriots and true believers of the laws of this nation.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
We should all be ashamed that we let someone this stupid, this evil, such a lying bastard! Fucking ass should be shot!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed our economy, and ruined the lives of millions of people!
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..punishment then, we shoot 'em.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
is he won't be tried!
..someone who takes a pot shot at turdblossom or tries to waterboard him would.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
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I hope you are on blood pressure medication ? LOL
..but I am, thankfully. That and anti-depressants.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
I am on BP pills , I find that I am coming up short at the end of the month , I get so PO'd reading this stuff that I occasionally have to pop another pill beyond what is prescribed for the day .
..baby aspirin daily. I use a beta blocker every day as well as a 87 mg (I think) low dose aspirin.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
all I've got is a paper bag...
..Om Mani Padme Hum
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
:)
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..clapping? Its "lack of fulfillment" and that's what letting these criminal bastards get away with torture is: one-hand clapping.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Organic, almost free. Better then poisoning yourself with some Big Pharma untested concoction. Seriously, meditating on a single word or thing really works.
..with smoke coming out of the chimney.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
curtains on the windows (blue and white). I have a baseball bat and the front door is open. Whatever bothers me, I wad up and hit into a big oak tree in front of my cabin.
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But Khalid Sheik Mohammed THANKED us for it.
He THANKED us for it!
turned to mush. Of course, they can get any response out of him now by just showing him a glass of water.
..because it proved al-qaeda right in so many ways. The fools of the last adminstration cared less about the GWOT then they did corporate profits for the MIC and we, the citizens of the USA, will pay the price until we put the bastards in jail.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
It was from a torture apologist on "Christian" radio ("it's not torture, because we don't torture, so if we do it, it's not torture"). Supposedly KSM said that waterboarding gives the victim sufficient cover for spilling his guts that he'll still get into heaven or something. "Dear God, I resisted as hard as I could, but I was waterboarded."
Is there any doubt that these administration guys and their supporters are all spoiled frat boys? As in getting sorority girls blitzed so she has cover for being a slut -- ". . . But I was drunk!"
These are the uncaring Reslug bastards that took down our country.
Well, there you have it... WAR CRIMES aren't really crimes at all!! There just new techniques that chimpy and darth developed in their spare time down on chimpy's pig farm and gave them to the military !!! It clearly worked on paper in those meetings..
So by Turd-o-rama's sliced logic, we should all go out an commit a WAR CRIME today..with glee!! Since no one is getting prosecuted for these techniques - we obviously can all use them.. Yippee..
Jeez, I couldnt' follow the pretzel logic of Marc Thiessen who was saying we're a nation of laws so if someone else breaks the law, we can torture them because THEY didn't follow the law.
These criminals totally lie about the protections of the Geneva Convention.
This is all a campaign to keep their crimes from being prosecuted.
Especially because the Geneva conventions define "unlawful combatants."
Wait a second. No, they don't. Thanks for playing, Thiessen. Accessory after the fact, 12 to 18 months in Terre Haute.
.. doctors and psychologists and lawyers ALL said it was OK ..
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and every one of them should be in prison with the Cheney gang
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Coming from a true chickenhawk.
This is not my father's America
Oh no, George W. Bush wouldn't have allowed fear or smear-based political campaigning. Karl Rove wouldn't use those techniques because he respects the American voter so much. And everything the CIA did was in accordance with the Geneva conventions and other laws.
If I ever see this motherfucker, I'm arresting him myself.
This is the Nixon redux. We let these fuckers go, and they will do this again (and worse).
we've already said it's worse than Nixon, and gawd I hope we never ever have to say something is worse than Bush.
we say worse than Bush, I think that will be the end of the U.S. and possibly the world. This dumbfuc*ing administration isn't doing anyone any favors (and that includes the entire world) by not prosecuting these bastards.
And as others have noted, the crisis of Watergate had very little to do with a hotel burglary. It had everything to do with how Nixon handled getting caught. When confronted with prosecution, there was a constitutional quandary regarding the DOJ. Rational minds won that battle, and Nixon resigned.
Bush’s crimes were indeed worse. But there was no constitutional crisis, because no one was around that could stop them.
..never mind.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
. . . it was "healing the nation" and "ending our long national nightmare."
Now it's "looking forward not back."
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I've always been amazed at how far this fucker has gone considering he never graduated from college. He truly is an evil little fuck.
College drop outs are usually twice as evil as fucks with degrees.
Bush has advanced degrees as does Cheney and they are among the evilest people in the world.
I dropped out after three years because I had no funds whatsoever and was even accepted to one of the finest schools in the world for an advanced program.
A 3.96 grade avg (damn those two who gave me b's - bastards!). But eat and not be homeless or go to school. Sorry, I decided to eat. As you can see it's still a sore point with me, people like to hold it over your head.
College drop out political consultants who made their mark in Texas
are twice as evil as fucks with degrees.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I feel better.
I was just joking of course.
Curtilingus dropped out of college with one class short of a BA in English, one class short of an AA in business, and one class short of my high school diploma.
I don't like finishing things. Makes me feel like its over.
Bill Clements, a Republican Governor of Texas before and after his service executing the SMU Football program while serving on its Board, employed Rove as a consultant. He attemtped to appoint him to one of the many state Boards of Regents Texas has for its public universities. His nomination was defeated due to the work of State Senator Judith Zaffirini, who mainatined that Karl's record of dropping out of multiple colleges did not lend itself to service on the governing board of a university. Zaffirini has a PhD. One of her opponents employed Karl Rove as a consultant.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I hope that they gave that woman a medal.
were doctors and college professors (even one grandmother in the early 1900's - how rare is that), parents who skipped grades in school, photographic memory, genius i.q.'s, advanced degrees, and one sister who is a doctor with several medical patents who retired very early - and always held it over my head. Yeah, that and all the dumb degreed people I've worked for, has made me a little sensitive.
Shouldn't, I know. But I couldn't let it go.
How about Bush , do you think he actually earned his Ivy League college degrees ? The guy never even managed to learn basic English for crying out loud .
Yeah, when you consider that Bush couldn't get into U of T Austin law school because his grades at Yale were so bad. He went to Yale for God's sake! Then somehow he got into the Harvard Business School? Wonder how much his old man had to donate? Must be a big old wing on some building in Cambridge that was built with Bush money.
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He is literally the single least eloquent college graduate I've ever heard speak.
Sarah Palin is doing her damndest, too, also, to even it up, though.
What would happen if a private citizen waterboarded a criminal, say, somebody they caught inside their home?
Depends on the waterboarder's politics, I'm sure.
a long time. I'm thinking of waterboarding him to get information on when he plans on breaking into my house.
Police officers started waterboarding suspects to get them to 'fess up...
me-oww!
..nightsticks that are shoved up someone's rectum? That would be torture, Yes? They were sent to jail. Maybe rove would like them released and apologized to.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Though the technique is quite old the term is very new. The earliest use I could find was Alan Dershowitz in May of 2004.
But the technique goes back into history where it's been called the water cure or, appropriately enough, water torture. From the Inquisition through Pol Pot through use in SERE programs, the technique was essentially the same, but no one called it "waterboarding" until the U.S. used it and got caught.
Why didn't they just call it water torture?
Oh. Never mind.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
and sold by Haliburton through it's sole representative Blackwater. After all, you can't water torture without an authentic "Water Board", patent pending.
Funny, but true.
Even the very name "Water Boarding" is a PR campaign. When the Japanese did it, it was torture. When the Vietnamese did it, it was torture. When we did it, it becomes all cutesy. "Water Boarding"! Like you're skiing in the Caribbean or something.
Stripped of context "waterboarding" sounds like it could be a lot of fun, like surfing or waterskiing or snowboarding ..
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Beat me to the punch...
..your head is NOT fun whether its torture or surfing.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Ever fall? Ever get dragged behind the boat for a second or two? That's no fun, either.
SERE is not about justifying the use of torture. I suspect waterboarding is used because it is a technique which does not impose serious injury (as opposed to breaking bones or pulling out toenails).
SERE is about survival-evasion-resistance-escape.
Survival, because you're likely to be on your own or in a small group, in hostile and unfamiliar territory.
Evasion, because if they shot you down and saw a chute, they'll come looking for you. If they check the wreckage of your Bradley AFV and don't find any bodies, they'll come looking for you. You can't count on immediate support or rescue, you may be injured, you have limited resources, and the clock is against you. You are likely to be caught.
Resistance, because you WILL be interrogated. Perhaps tortured. This is not about some magical Jack Bauer manly-manliness technique to keep all of your deepest, darkest secrets intact; it's about revealing as little as possible.
Escape. Your friends don't know where you are. They may not know if you're alive. You have to be thinking, planning, collecting intel as to where you're being held, who is questioning you, what they seem to be interested in, names, faces, everything.
. . . techniques used against Americans by the Chinese to extract false confessions during the Korean War.
My point was only that these techniques have been used by the SERE program for training for decades, and the term "waterboarding" still wasn't used until the U.S. needed to call it something besides "water torture."
Corruption favors the wealthy.
..he gives the anthony quayle false information and leaves him for the germans to find knowing they'd torture him to find out what they were planning. quayle gives up that information readily enough but is disoriented and so it is with torture and SERE training, you learn to be disoriented under it and give up false, misleading or baffling information that is absolutely useless.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
... Dantooine.
Early in the interview Rove refers to the Congress' authorization of force AND to a MYTHICAL second UN resolution as justification for invading Iraq ..
.. it's not just his outrageous claims about waterboarding ..
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I was wondering why the interviewer didn't ask him about that. There was no UN authorization of the invasion. I think it was just like when Newt "Goat-fucker" Gingrich said that Richard Reid was a US citizens. The lies just come at the interviewer so fast that they can't correct all of them.
And when it became clear the UN wasn't going to authorize force, two things happened:
1) The US threatened all the non-permanent members of the Security Council with loss of aid, etc, after they discussed (in a supposedly secure room) an alternative resolution granting more time etc to Saddam ..
2) Bush and Blair started talking for the first time about "our" obligation to free the Iraqi people from Saddam as a justification for "regime change".
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Those who did the actual torturing are sadistic animals, as are those who are defending the acts of torture now (hi, Karl).
The ones who ordered the torture to be done are more nefarious. They knew torture only gets you that which you want to hear. They needed to hear that Sadaam had WMDs, and that al qaeda had networks throughout Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the absence of proof of any of these things, they let lose the sadistic pigs – to torture … endlessly - so they could demonstrate what they knew to be untrue.
Congressional report on WMD's regarding torture of Al-Libi. Of course, Marc "I'm a big fucking pussy" Thiessen claimed that the Al-Libi interrogation wasn't done by US agents - never mind the half-dozen CIA agents in the room.
It is very sad but the country is lost. I would die of shock if the Justice department did anything to these criminals. When Ford didn't complete the prosecution of Nixon, when Clinton didn't complete the prosecution of Reagan and Bush 1, and now Obama will do nothing to the worst of the worst criminal administrations ever. This all will embolden the criminals more and more and the country is lost. The right wing Fascists have almost complete control of the media, the supreme court, and most of the congress and white house. The country is lost.
I always disliked ford for the qui pro quo he did in letting nixon go.
We have been stuck with all the scum and shit we have today because of that.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed our economy and ruined millions of lives!
and I fear for your country. The rightwing lunatics are winning.
This should be investigated and anyone that was connected needs to spend a long time in jail. I don't want someone that would torture someone just because someone else told them to. Damn that is so much unbelievable bullshit! Bush chenny rumsfeld, yoo addington turd blossom, We could just use gitmo for them. hell why not they created it they would love it.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed our economy and ruined millions of lives!
..ask the nazis prosecuted for it about that.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Apparently it's filled with lawyers who've never heard of the Nuremberg Defense.
As for those that ordered it and justified it? Well, the Obama DOJ just softened the criticism of the Bush DOJ and decided that it didn't even amount to an ethical violation for slime like John Yoo.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Two words come to mind when I see Rove's face. Porky Pig. I am sick and tired of seeing his fat face, his porcine person.
Q: Why are convicted criminals like sausages?
A: They both get fried after facing heat and being grilled properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMsLXL-OB8
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
..about this statement:
""I'm proud that we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists and gave us valuable information that allowed us to foil plots such as flying aeroplanes into Heathrow and into London, bringing down aircraft over the Pacific, flying an aeroplane into the tallest building in Los Angeles and other plots," Mr Rove told the BBC."
Where's the proof that the will of any of the terrorists was broken and the LA building story has been so de-bunked why would it even worth mentioning?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
but like another poster said, when all you get is lies coming at you fast and furious, how can you debunk them all.
They just keep repeating it. If they say it enough times, it becomes true.
As my dad once said, "I don't allow a bunch of information to get into my brain."
Two words, Karl. Try it.
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
At this remove from the events, it is less important what Rove says he is proud and ashamed of. He obviously has an agenda. I and many others I know are ashamed that our country tortured people, that torture was sanctioned by the most powerful members of our society, and that we allow these perpetrators to live among us enriching themselves and enjoying the fruits of liberty. I am ashamed.
Last I heard there is a prosecutor in Spain that is still carrying out an investigation and he intends to go after Bush / Cheney for war crimes / crimes against humanity , if Spain or someone requests extradition , just hand em over , let someone else prosecute them and put them on trial .The right wing would crap their pants and go berserk but so what ? A pipe dream , I know , but it is a pleasant thought .
and all just look the other way when Spain sends it's version of the Mossad to the U.S. to kidnap those involved.
And help to get them on a plane and on their way.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed our economy and ruined millions of lives!
..and I helped this fellow out with some tools. He gave me like 50 small spanish flag pins. I think I'll start wearing one. If they prosecute the criminals, I'll apply for dual citizenship.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmU3iANbgk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the spanish AG, Conde-Pumpido, poo-pooed the idea
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
is still dead.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I can say that the letter "A" is not part of the alphabet, but that does not make it so.
This is why courts and judges exist, and also why lawyers' opinions are just that: opinion. The only thing that matters is the the rule of law and the courts, and the rule of law and the courts say that "waterboarding" is illegal; there is not an exemption based on your opinion of its effectiveness.
but the one that irks me the most is contained in this snippet: He said waterboarding, which simulates drowning, should not be considered torture.
Waterboarding is not simulated drowning. Drowning means that your lungs are filling up with water. Waterboarding IS drowning.
"waterboarding." It's a word made up by the interrogators to describe water torture.
it is near-death drowning.
but, maybe it would take actually demonstrating it on him for him to understand.
volunteers?
Then I'll buy him and Cheney tickets to Spain.
Every time that someone promotes the effectiveness of torture increases the likelihood that it will be used at some point in the future against US forces.
I'm at the point now where I don't care about security at home or in the middle east anymore; get our troops home now!
... it's going to be used against a civilian. They'll just declare them an 'unlawful enemy combatant' and have at it.
we get to put ourselves through this again whe Bush's book comes out.
Boogie Board. "Heh, heh, we used it on those evil doin boogers."
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
..the "boogie board" thing last week.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
and I must have been out back harvesting turd blossoms.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
..lessons I know on graymer and prenounsiation.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Will only have twenty pages and ten of those will be popups.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed our economy and ruined millions of lives!
Here's hoping that the scumbag terrorist gets kidnapped and taken to some third world shithole for a littrle "non torture" waterboarding.
Send this admitted war criminal to the Hague, to stand trial for his crimes.
...tough questions and following up on them. Also isn't it interesting that several of the things she brought up recieved no mention on our MSM. No wonder are media ranks #37 in terms of freedom of speech.
Five minutes with Karl on a waterboard, and not only will he admit waterboarding is torture, but Turdblossom will confess that he is a witch.
I'd think you could eke out at least one about how he's really Liz Cheney's daddy ...
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