Bill O'Reilly opened The Factor talking about the new Rasmussen poll that says that people would vote for teabaggers over republicans. Tea Party Tops GOP on Three-Way Generic Ballot
Running under the Tea Party brand may be better in congressional races than being a Republican. In a three-way Generic Ballot test, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Democrats attracting 36% of the vote. The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.
This is really bad news for Republicans/conservatives. Bill Kristol loves right-wing populism just as long as they can be controlled, but now the problem is that the conservative elites can't control them.
The teabaggers must be driving Kristol's Straussian beliefs crazy. A good mob is a controlled mob that is led by conservative elites who are the only people truly qualified to lead society. Gingrich knows not to take his findings too far because teabaggers are already mad at him, so he immediately praises the teabagger Queen, Sarah Palin. BillO tries to say that Palin is as inexperienced as Obama. Sure, Bill, whatever you say. But back to Newt.
Gingrich:.. I think Going Rouge could in fact take Palin to a third party, the challenge is historically third parties are protests. They're not a path to power. And as you pointed out the first effect of a third party in 2012 would be the re-election of Obama and would be the survival of Pelosi as Speaker of the House, you now, maybe in perpetuity.
O'Reilly: I don't think so, I think Pelosi maybe booted out of there next November, that's how bad things are.
Gingrich: but she might, she wouldn't be if you had enough third party candidates (garbled) splitting the opposition.
O'Reilly: The earliest a third party could be viable is in 2012.
Newt is going to have a really tough time trying to convince the teabaggers to join up with the GOP establishment because they want to control it. When conservatives reached out to the black helicopter/militia crowd, they put their possible comeback in the hands of insane people. Take that, Bill Kristol!
Here's how Bill Kristol views the teabaggers, via pg 46 from the "Gang of Five."
Only elitist, brilliant men like Bill Kristol are allowed to lead people. Real Americans are but sheep to be herded and controlled to do what their elitist elders tell them to do. What a horrible and disgusting philosophy to live by, but that's Kristol and his crew for you.
You can pick up Nina Easton's book here: Gang of Five: Leaders at the Center of the Conservative Ascendacy
Didn't the tea baggers already throw Newt and his bags under the tea bus?
I am always amazed how wise BillO is when it comes to something he knows nothing about and in this case, it's politics. Bill is so sure he has the inside track on all things political. Of course it's all bullshit but he says it any way.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It was started as a puppet movement to preserve corporate interests, which has outlived its usefulness and refuses to die.
Good luck Mr. O'reilly, hopefully they flush you down with them down the toilet of historical irrelevancy...
Yep. morally corrupt activities have consequences...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfD6y2_Hz8&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
now we need to start supporting scrotum-dipper candidates to cut into the republican voting block. let them burn in their own house of cards.
We need to run real democrats against republicans on the republican primary ticket as Emanuel has been running republicans on the democratic ticket in the democratic primary...
None
.. sure .. why not?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
The Republican party is full of under-informed sheep who were led into power by rich elites but now think they are the smart ones?
Wow. . what a newsflash.
that the 'party of no' should splinter and become the parties of woe.
I can think of nothing better for America then republicans being out of government.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!
If the tea baggers would only split into the "teas" and the "baggers" then we would have a need for more popcorn, lots of it.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
pledging process of a fraternity in some campus somewhere in America...
Isn't that part of the "purity pledge"? Aren't they trying to weed out the bags from the teas?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I think the 'Teas' wear Tetley tea bags in their hats while the Baggers where Swastikas on their arms.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I can't help but see this process ending up inevitably with a Conservative Party, a Liberal Party, and a Democratic-Republican Party created by merging the Blue Dogs and centrist GOP together.
Is Sarah Going Rouge or Going Rogue? There is a difference.
I think Going Rouge is the name of a Vegas drag show.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
She should zip that hair off. that would be a good look for her.
try to imagine it if you dare... now that would be a real
rougemaverick.No offence Sarah but, except in the minds of Republicans, you look like the nice lady next door, and your ideas are far too familiar and frankly antiquated to be rouge.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I don't care what "Teabaggers" do.
I do think that progressives and liberals should stop trying to identify themselves with the democratic party. We should form a political party and scare the living hell out of the democrats. Then we might get things to go our way for a change;
Why destroy ourselves while the opposition is busy destroying themselves? Let's wait and see who we are up against before we throw the fight.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
IMO the R's are not the only party in serious need of reform. While the conservatards are busy splitting up, we progressives should be doing everything possible to reform the "business friendly" DINO's. Otherwise the DEMS may succeed only in recruiting more moderate conservatives, which would maintain the status quo. And the status quo, represented by Obama, et al, is not any where near what is needed to repair the damage wrought by the last 30 years of political inbreeding.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
When push comes to shove, the corporate masters will lower the hammer down on those funding the TEA Party movement. Without being bused in to rallies, signs being made for them, and memos telling them what to say - how effective will the TEA Party movement be then? It's one thing to win a generic poll, but the TEA Party movement would actually have to get people on the ballot.
Both the Democratic and Republican Parties are very adept to the many ways to ensure a 3rd party does not gain too much traction on the national level.
I disagree....the Teabaggers only have to draw off 5-10% of the vote to completely destroy the (G)rumpy (O)ldster (P)arty! The whackos who bought Palin's book would just about cover that....
The Republican circus is toast. O'LIEly will run out his contract and dissapear. Beck will be committed and never heard from again. The decade long nightmare that bush and Cheney created will come to an end. What a ride, and thank God a rational reasonable person is President now to let it happen, if slowly. It's a new day. If the media whiners keep on whining then all is well.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...anyone who voted for someone besides John McCain't or "Mr. hope and change"
anyone who "just says no" to all the gov't crap that is so evident nowaday's...
anyone who knows that the dems and repubs ..."are the same"
teabaggers come in many colors...(definitely not fair to categorize them.
Teabaggers..."just say no"
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
... mental illness knows no racial and cultural barriers.
..I'll conclude my online day and retire to the arms of frosty libation. Thanks, TD
What percentage of teabaggers are black? what percentage are, or were, registered dem?
I think you're full of crap. I've seen the press coverage, I've seen the demonstrations in my town.
Teabaggers are mainly white, white supremacist and stupid.
How about a huge number of conspiracies? Birthers, death panels, indoctrination, re-education camps, militias, gun sales, muslim/communist/socialist/anti-christ nonsense?
... to an untrained observer in the matters of this country, that collection sounds more like a collective of people suffering from manic depression and the paranoia episodes associated with the illness.
I wonder how many are just poor folk who really need mental care, probably gone untreated for lack of coverage and funds... which makes their opposition to universal healthcare (from which they could probably benefit orders of magnitude more than the average healthy hippie fighting for it) the more ironic really....
I can only hope that the teabaggers have a convention and in the process of defining their party platform they exercise their 2nd amendment rights over any disagreements.
Kind of a Last Man Standing approach to politics.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
With the apparent armistice called between Rahm Emanual, Barrack Obama, the Blue Dogs and DINOs and the Corporatist Republicans, what are the odds against the right-wing populists (Tea-Baggers), the left-wing populists (Liberal Progressives), and the Libertarians joining forces, if only to overthrow the entrenched Corporatists in Congress?
If such a truce and alliance between populists and anarchist/libertarians were to focus on the class warfare aspect of the current state of politics in this country, we could see the demise of both the current Republican AND Democratic Parties. IMHO, this would be a win-win-win situation. There would likely be the Corporatist Party, the Party of God, and the liberal Populist Party remaining - with the Corporatist Party's power greatly diminished. After deposing the Corporatists, we could fight over ideology (right versus left populism) on a more level playing field.
I would consider such a scenario a welcome change to what this country has, politically speaking, today.
Feed the Poor! Eat the Rich! Long live the Revolution!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
You want an alliance with the teabaggers? Good luck with that. Watch your back. Literally.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
is my friend", the Arabs say. I see some truth in that, at least as far as a temporary alliance against the Corporatist politicians that dominate both main political parties. We are talking about Class Warfare here, after all. I really don't see any other way to effectively fight against the Corporatists, and win.
After about 100 years of class warfare against "we the people", the Corporatists have never been as blatant or bold as they are today, with good reason -- they are winning, and can see total victory within their grasp.
Feed the Poor! Eat the Rich! Long live the Revolution!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
Good luck with that "alliance."
The Paulistas seem to think that a couple of coinciding goals (for very different reasons), make liberals a likely partner. The good news is, liberals won't have anything to do with their libertarian fantasies. This very site has been plagued with them at least since the last election (you remember, the ones who would always put Paul and Kucinich in the same sentence).
It seems anyone advocating for populist adjustments to our political, legal, and economic system supporting the interests of 'the common good' and 'fairness for all' is doomed to be drowned out by the multi-billion dollar technicolor media frenzy of cynical manipulation of fear & exploitation of prejudice churning in the spookydoo haunted minds of the 'people'.
If a Bernie Sanders rears his snowy head and starts making sense on TV - a dump truck of right wing political manure is upended over him.
If Harry Reid surprises us all by interrupting his jelly fish impersonation and pointing out how 'conservatism' has consistently been on the wrong side of history - he gets tag-teamed and shouted down by an army of millionaire media 'journalist/commenter/columnist/fucktard' guardians of wealth and the status quo.
If the 'tea party' movement has come to life and escaped from Dr. Gooperstien's crazy astroturf laboratory, proceeded to rage across the landscape, hanging out with Nazis, 'U.N. Black Hellychoppers is coming!' Militiamen, and vast legions of Neo-Confederate redneck dumbasses, all without allowing Bill Kristol and Newt Gingrich to fully control them - I don't think that means the Tea Party people will be able to look past their differences with left-populists to make common cause.
The source of their energy is their rage - a raging butthurt frenzied petulance over having seen the reins of power slip from their grasp - into the hands of a N!&#ER supported by commie f@gg0t hippie tree hugging miscegenating YANKEES, Californians, and non-whites - imagine if any one of their leaders tried to get them to set aside that grudge in favor of actually seeing any political progress
on the issues that have seriously affected the well-being of their families (health care, predatory banking/credit practices, economic+legal injustice, shrinking opportunity, an economy toppled by the irresponsible greed of a solipsistic elite which is being bailed out by tax payers and set upon the path to repeat their catastrophic performance).
Exploiting prejudice and fear by encouraging the lower classes to focus on their irrational prejudices, to wallow in hateful self-defeating ignorance is the way in which the elites have preserved their control over a social and economic system of vampire capitalism while calling it 'democracy'.
The elites will set the tea-baggers against the progressive left just as they always have done - with disgusting appeals to crazy ignorant fears. The only consolation about this movement is amusement that it has seemingly slipped out of the GOP/right wing media straight jacket - now the masters will have to soothe the rampaging monster with the sweet music it wants to hear - that all of its insane prejudices are praise worthy, and its malevolent ideas are true.
In other words, the Corporatist State has so fractured and divided “we the people” aka the peons, and set us one faction upon the other, that any hope of organizing against them in a Class Struggle is futile. We might all just as well dig a deep hole, fling ourselves in, and pull in that mound of loose dirt in over ourselves.
OTOH, the right-wing segment of the populists (Tea-Baggeers) has not only demonstrated against the left-wing segment of populists (Liberal Progressives), but have also “slipped their leash” and railed against their/our Corporatist overlords. They have the same problem that we have - an entrenched corrupted Corporatist-owned plutocracy in Congress, of both main political parties.
The recognition of the realities of Class Struggle against our Corporatist overlords and their bought-and-paid-for shills in Congress might (only might) lead to an alliance, no matter how fleeting, between populist factions long enough to defeat the Corporatists. Enlightened self-interest has been the “glue” of political alliances, be they political parties or nations.
Movements move, and then stop, while revolutions keep on rolling.
Feed the Poor! Eat the Rich! Long live the Revolution!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
We laugh at teabaggers, but they do get out to say NO. Their reasons might be different than progressives, but they get out to say NO.
I think it's interesting that the GOP figured they could control them, the monster, but they seem to have developed AI.
Populism is a powerful force during tough times. I wonder who will have the prowess to channel it well?
far left loon >.<
Ain't gonna happen, Bill. The RNC will cave to the tea party movement.
This isn't Straussian. It is a combination of Lenin and Pareto (Lenin and how the party must guide the proletariat to socialism, and Pareto in his theory of cycling elites).
People are, for the most part, not that bright. Conversely, they're not that stupid, either...
Lenin was correct - he was a communist.
Pareto was correct - he was a fascist.
Given te realities of american politics, Gingrich is also correct: a 3rd party from the Teabagging retards would guarantee a Democratic landslide in 2012.
It's really weird when all the people I dislike are more correct than the reporters on this site, and the people I am talking about are fascists, communists, and corporatist republicans.
Sad, really. This site needs some intellectual rigor and a better background in political theory.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
I think Crooks and Liars was just insulted. Why do you come here then?
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
is a good question. But I'm also wondering whether he/she is RNC or DNC with that incorrect and slightly crazy idea that Ginrich is correct about the Dems winning a landslide in'12. The way things are going Independent Progressives like Bernie Sanders will be the big winners in '12 and I gotta say I like that.
because he's been planning his comeback as the Repukes Saviour in 2012 - and if 'Miss Sarah and the Teabags' (sounds like a 1940's singing group?) form a breakaway party, Newtie's dreams will be dashed.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
seeing you around....
Have a nice day.
I feel the current two party system no longer effectively serves The People of the United States or our Constitution. The GOP for all intents and purposes have lost their blinking minds. They have forgotten the meaning of responsible opposition and most importantly the true meaning of conservatism. When Cheney and the NeoCons were running things, Government expansion went out of control and they WASTED blood and treasure unforgivably, something they want everyone to forget even happened. Yet they have the nerve to point fingers at Obama and hope no one really notices...the very same people who were rubber stamping Bush. Some of the Democrats are bad enough, the Republicans are only making matters worse. How can our government have a true system of checks and balances when one side has totally lost it's mind? Yep, I'm all for a third party. Maybe one that supports some non-interventionism and a lot of protectionism. There was time when this country was completely self sufficient and kept it's nose out of the affairs of other countries for the most part.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
Historically 3rd parties are not a path to power
Because ultimately, one of the major parties absorbs the issues the 3rd party has been running on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the path to change. And change can be power if it can be held.
THIS is a laugh a minute... There is not a comedian alive, MAYBE Jon Stewart or Lewis Black, that could write this stuff if they tried real hard...
We got Newt and Billo-the-clown fighting in public..we got sister sarah's staff writing editorials for the Washington Post (which seems to be more and more controlled by rupe's gang), you got Karl Rove doing plastic surgery to look more like Greter Van Sucksteren..we got beck calling for the end of civilization or at least the one we know that has existed since 1900.....
How do they expect us to keep up?? I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt...
and they all seem so tense and edgy. they need a life
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
made me think of Plato's Republic. The main difference would be that, although the leader might be a member of the elite, but he/she wouldn't necessarily be the smartest or most capable. IMHO, this is a recipe for disaster, especially if someone like Palin were elected.
and they debated Plato...I didn't make up his feeling about populism...
Biff Kristol and his like are Hitler wanna-be , talk about elitist arrogant plucks ! I'd like to get hold of him one on one and then see how elite and macho the sorry little prick is . Daddy did a good job programming you Biffy .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
So Scrotum Smackers was already taken?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the Republican party forever. It might last one or two election cycles and then it's futility would cause it to evaporate. What it would do is create some wonderful opportunities through vote splitting to elect some really progressive but perhaps marginally electable candidates. So here comes this great opportunity to replace the bluer dogs but it seems likely to be wasted because so many are disenchanted with the Democrats. Rather than work to push the party left, I suspect, from so many comments posted here and elsewhere that a lot of people will sit out the next election cycle and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
has been very busy since Bush fired him.
According to them, all Democrats are liberals, which proves either they don't know what they're talking about or they're intenionally misleading their viewers. Hardly a revelation for Fox News.
And they also mistakenly believe a third party would be comprised of the nutjob-Palin wing of the Republican Party. It is true if Palin ran, ala Nader, they'd be sunk. But they're pretty much in the toilet either way.
A third party would only have a chance if it's platform included no lobbyist money, and that pretty much eliminates the whole right wing anyway.
Gingrich offering advice about god is about as helpful as Tiger Woods offering marital advice.
teabaggers will seep up the billions missing in Iraq....
Or if their deficit outrage is feined selectively?
Falafel Man: "Of course many people would vote republican if there were no tea party candidate."
WTF, how does this hypocrite know this?? H-O-W ?
Do his loyal "I only watch fox" audience ever ask themselves that question????
"What is it about this President that alienates 40% of the people [errrrh, teabaggers]."
Hmmmmm, let all GUESS??
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy (sound me rubbing hands together in glee!)....the Rethuglican establishment created this monster (Palin and the Teabaggers) now they'll have to LIVE with it. This will be like the supposedly domesticated chimpanzee that ate that poor woman's face off. Except this time the victim will be getting just desserts.
Republicans here in Washington State have taken to running as the "GOP Party" (Grand Old Party Party?) or having elections legally declare "non-partisan" just so they don't have to run with an "R" hung around their necks. Running on the Tea Party ticket will be just the thing for them.
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