Newt's Big advice to McCain is to scare Americans about Pelosi and Reid
By John Amato Friday Oct 24, 2008 9:00am
It's so nice to see signs of real depression enter into the Conservative movement. Bill O'Reilly was asking Newt Gingrich to make believe he's running McCain's campaign (which he basically is along with Hannity) and give advice on what McCain can do to turn the election around in the next two weeks. Newt's big plan is to have McCain attack Obama by scaring the people that they will have the country run by the very scary Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. I'm serious. That's what it has come to for these people. (rough transcripts)
O'Reilly: We're doing tactics...he's got to go in now and make his point. One central point. That Barack Obama is a far left, income redistribution guy which Americans you contend don't want. And that by doing that he's going to harm the economy further? Are you going to make that?
Gingrich: Yea....
O'Reilly: ...I'm not saying the American people are stupid. I don't believe that for a second. But let's face it. We've had three debates and McCain has made that point over and over again. That his policies of tax cutting are better than redistribution policies of Obama. But the public hasn't bought it/ What the public has bought is that McCain said the economy is fundamentally sound in the middle of a meltdown, which is not what he meant, but that doesn't matter because he said and it was used against him. So I'm not sure in two weeks with the same message, unless there's a difference in the way you present the message that that's not going to work because it hasn't worked so far.
Gingrich: Well first of all I think if you connect Obama to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and you say these three people want your money so they can redistribute it their friends
So you throw their pictures up. Reid and Pelosi, but remember only 15% of the American population knows who Pelosi is and it's probably 2% for Reid.
Gingrich: But if you never explain it, they never learn therefore they never connect anybody. I've tried to make the point again and again before. Sen. Obama is going to try and govern with a very liberal Democratic Senate and House...
BillO tries to deflect McCain's statement about the fundamentals of the economy and said he didn't really mean it, but anything Obama says that is taken out of connect with Obama, that's fact. What a joke the man called Newt is. Has he divorced his third wife yet? I can't remember how many times he's dumped all his wives, but for some reason he's on my TV screen almost as much as Obama, giving advice and attacking liberal values. Here's a quick reminder to Newt. The Democratic Party is "Left" and Conservatives are "Right." MKay? Conservatives have destroyed our economy, made torture part of our culture, lied us into war, failed to respond to Hurricane Katrina, but we're supposed to fear Harry Reid? We are hearing all this, we're a Conservative nation garbage coming from the Villagers and this is what Newtie is going to use to build up his own movement in the coming months.
Here's John Meacham:
"Should Obama win, he will have to govern a nation that is more instinctively conservative than it is liberal -- a perennial reality that past Democratic presidents have ignored at their peril," he writes.
I'll have more on this narratve soon enough.
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Naw, that Carl Sagan stuff is too deep for the r's. their still living on a flat earth. And that far right conservative part ..... that's the part i call the Moron Factor.
Let the whining begin.
I am wrong, I will jump on the Obama band wagon(sarcasm intended)I will begin to institute Obama's new tax plan of redistribution of wealth as he told Joe the plumber, "spread the wealth".
I will begin to apply this program, a friend sent me this email, and you know, I am going to start doing this. Disclosure(this was borrowed from an email I received)
Obama's tax plan!
In a local
restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed
as he had given away his political preference-just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided
not to tip the server and explained to him
that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept.
He stood
there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside.
The server
angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside,
gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server
inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather
unscientific redistribution experiment I realized
the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the
waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though
the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess
redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept
than in practical application.
or very stupid.
feed the troll.
just make one observation. As with most trolls John starts his story with fatal premise. Obama's 'spread the wealth' is Not'redistribution of wealth'. 'Spread the wealth' sounds like good old capitalism to me.So,John thanks for your cynical smarmyness. You only made yourself look foolish. (As with most Trolls.)
Yup, false premise.
To some degree, the issue IS redistribution of wealth in the form of who gets to keep what they got. Since the inception of the Federal Income Tax, this has been taking place. Those with a greater ability to pay the tax are charged at a higher rate than those with less ability. Fair or not, this is the way it has been established from the beginning. To argue against it would be akin to arguing against the FIT structure as it has been practiced in this country for almost 100 years.
If you wish to argue that a Flat Tax is more just, or that a Federal Consumption Sales Tax is fairer, fine. There are good arguments for these structures as well. But to say that the sliding of percentages of the existing FIT is “Redistribution of Wealth” is just naiveté.
John's idea is the Republican idea. Take from the poor and give to the rich. They have been practicing it since 2001.
Indeed. Initially the FIT was NOT meant to be a tax on the poor, or even the mythical “middle class”. It was an Income Tax on those who made extraordinary yearly incomes. Over the years and because of restructuring and loop-holes, the poor and middle-class have been burdened with an increasing percentage of this tax. Now, those who are wealthiest structure their income in ways so that NO tax applies, and everyone else is left to make up the difference. Sliding the percentages no longer works.
Personally, I AM in favor of a Consumption Tax which would be paid mostly by those who have disposable income.
...I worked at a four star hotel on Michigan ave. I befriended most of the waiters at our fabulous restaurant. John, if you habitually pull shit like that and return to the eatery of your "experiment", trust me, you have no idea of the "experimental foods" with "extra sauce" that you have unwittingly consumed. LOL!
The idea of tipping servers and waiters/waitresses is unique to the States. Foreigners find the concept somewhat…um…foreign. Such service personnel that rely on tips aren’t subject to minimum wages, and I don’t think that’s fair. It’s not a bad idea to tip those who give good service, but I don't like the idea of them to have to rely on those tips to earn a fair wage.
Indecently, I owned a gourmet restaurant, and if I ever found out one of my employees EVER did something like that they would be out on their ass. (And I did pay more than minimum wages).
They don't tip in Europe? Sevice charge?
In most European countries the servers don't even know what to do with the tip if given to them directly. Some restaurants in the States that follow this policy have "Tipping Not Required" signs posted. Such signs aren't necessary in most parts of Europe because it's a given.
...but it's just human nature to respond in any way you can when felt abused by the powerful. Don't pretend(your type of reaction is a normal manager's/owner's legal c.y.a.)that that doesn't happen. Thats why I'm always on my best behavior in restaurants.
I've heard it happens. I've never seen it, and hope I've never been subject to it. My aversion to it is not just CYA, it's GROSS.
You're a pathetic, fake superior asshole John....I'll bet that gave you your yearly erection.
If this moron was actually trying to make a point, he would have suggested that 3.4% of the tip will go to the homeless guy out front. Nobody is suggesting that the first $250k of rich taxpayers income should be "redistributed" but then again, nobody ever said that conservatives are smart, either.
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill.
I come here, post something to make a point, and the name calling begins, insulting my intelligence and missing the entire point of the post.
I have never called anyone here a name but people feel they must do that to me, when the name calling begins, I will always reiterate, that shows lack of intelligent thought. If you wish to disagree, try to be civil about it at least.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/sho...
Please do some research before calling me names and saying I am a bigot and stupid. I myself and to allow full disclosure am for a consumption tax or a flat tax.
McCain's Already Singing: NOW Crazy, After All These Years
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4233
"Newt"...sounds like a Palin name.
Gingrich created the nasty political environment we have today. He needs to crawl back under a rock and stay there.
Not very creative on their part. This has work for their extreme base.
Its only that I thought Obama was the most liberal. Maybe it was Ted Kennedy? Wait, John Kerry! No,No its Joe Biden or was it Huillary Clinton.
Damn, I can't keep up with these conservative accusations.
Somebody tell them to slow down.
Obama -- however he might be characterized -- is not a liberal.
Nor are Pelosi and Reid.
If you poll people regarding policy choices, the country regularly, by a wide margin, prefers liberal, Democratic policies over conservative Republican ones. Go figure. Maybe this election is the "sea change" event that's been predicted for years.
In an ideal world, Dennis Kucinich and Paul Wellstone would be the Prez and VP.
Newt, crawl back under your rock, you slimy shithead.
exactly !well said!
Arguing against a single party control of the executive and legislative branches of govt would be saner and far more honorable than his current argument that Obama is black, muslim, terrorist, anti-american, elite.
but I would hate to think those are the only choices.
But if we restrict ourselves to choices that could work and you factor in the disadvantages of the 'republican' brand this election cycle it narrows it down a lot.
Still hoping no choice works.
Newt would have a better argument if he didn't promise a "Permanent Republican Majority" in '93. The only authority he has to argue against a single party control is HIS abysmal failure with his "Contract on America."
Was that Newt in '93? I was thinking it was Rove in 2000.
Perhaps I gave Newt too much credit. I think that was Rove.
Except that the Reps want single party control for themselves. Remember Rove's "permanent Republican majority?"
They already suck due to their spinelessness and enabling shrubbie, that didn't make me vote for McCain, it also didn't make me vote for Obama either.
The fearmongering has worked so well for the last eight years, it's all they have left to try and shove down your throats. Look where it got these people:
http://ugv.abcnews.go.com/player.aspx?id=6305372
I live in Madame Speaker's district, and I'm voting for Cindy Sheehan. That's right, Ms. Code Pink herself. She'll do more in her first week in Congress than Nancy "off the table" Pelosi did in two years. Sad.
Newt costumes for Halloween this year.
Newt's Big advice to McCain is to scare Americans about Pelosi and Reid
Good luck with that
There's a reason why milquetoast is pronounced milk toast.
repugs must be horrified when their morning bowl of Wheetabix goes soggy.
twas said:
Newt's big plan is to have McCain attack Obama by scaring the people that they will have the country run by the very scary Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
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They are both VERY scary. But not for the reasons Newt thinks. They're scary because they are both corrupt worthless hacks. Pelosi and Reid are both just as responsible for the trainwreck around us as the Bush Junta. they could have done the right thing and stood up for what matters. But instead, they took impeachment off the table, and merrily passed the past two years of legislation that permitted the disaster, and were party to the same years ago.
Barney Frank and the rest - they're crap. They need to go.
That said: they're not AS evil as the Bush Junta - but that's a meaningless statement as it is like saying Stalin isn't as bad as Cthulu.
Cthulhu was a fictional character, Stalin was altogether too real.
Pelosi and Reid are scary for what they represent which is that we have nothing more than a one party state with two factions.
It has been that way since the Military Industrial Complex, in a silent coup took control of the government after 1948.
It is not that that I long for a third party, I long for a second party.
Exactly my view. Even with a Democratic victory all around, we're going to have to work just as hard after the election as before it. President Lincoln-wannabe won't to come around to our abolitionist point of view without major help.
in 3..2...1 Roll tape.
I never watch the putz. Man, he looks OLD.
fah.
This may be one of the only times in my life where I will see a thorough discarding of the right by the public. I love watching Newt and Bill O squirm and flail as they try to figure out what to do to upright their sinking ship. What they won't ever say publicly is that they brought this on themselves. Touting free markets without regulation for years leading to the current crisis and with Bush's hoseshit of a presidency, could they really be that naive as to why they're losing so badly (not to mention the McCain campaign may be the worst run campaign I've ever seen.)? The least thing that they deserve is to lose complete power in government. The best thing that could happen is Bush and all his asshole cronies, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz be brought up on charges of high crimes and misdemeanors, found guilty and thrown in jail for life. All politicians lie. Not all politicians do it with the sheer volume of bloodshed and vast destruction on every level the way this administration has done it.
Guess Newt didn't heed George HW Bush and his talk of "Bush fatigue." Part of that fatigue is being tired of fear, the main theme of W's administration. When fear worked so well after 9/11, the GOP kept at it. Now people are coming to realize it's all a method to keep us in line. The GOP has over the years fanned the flames of fear of Ted Kennedy because he consistently chose to speak out against big business and South Africa (a country run by big business). Smear and fear alike. We are tired of both.
If no one gets a tax cut except him, it's called a "tax cut." If everyone gets a tax cut except him, it's "income redistribution."
You would be hard pressed to find anyone of either party who wouldn't agree that taxes must be paid and that the wealthy should shoulder more of the burden, whatever the tax system.
The question is where to draw the line, and it all comes down to marketing. That line has moved back and forth throught the history of our country (and others,) but in the U.S. in the last few decades it has shifted to favor the rich, mostly through republican "tax cuts."
It's all about framing, and if Obama can get out the message that "someone else is going to pay it, not you," to the vast majority of us for whom this is true, then it's in the bag.
McCain's "cut nut" made it up:
http://kdka.com/
So the executive VP of FoxNews on his blog called "Moment of Truth", said:
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/...
Hahahaha!! John Moody can skip the crow, and eat SH*T.
No surprise here.
But, of course, wingers will spin it as "liberal media" (and cops) spinning it.
I'll pitch in for a bag of cement...
I'm having a hard time seeing how, even if the story were true, it would mean we don't know enough about Obama? WTF?
What's with the "B" showing on her face backwards?? I could do that in the mirror. Looks like an "inside job" to me. Her lie detector test was inconclusive.
She's confessed that her story is a lie and the cops are preparing to charge her with filing a false report.
Why hasn't the Fox Hate Channel updated their story to reflect this?
Because now the criminal isn't a "big black man"?
is dyslexic.
Even malkin could smell the caca on that story. Anyone who took it and ran deserves any humiliation coming to them.
on Drudgereport.com
THANK YOU!
n/t
Quicktime does.
Got news for you, Newt. They'll be running things even if McCain wins. They'd block every one of his cockamamie ideas and keep the pressure on him to do the right thing. At least NEARLY the right thing...
Pay no attention to the idealogue behind the curtain.
He says he doesn't think Americans are stupid but can't give them credit for not buying the "redistribution of wealth" thing because it's just not true. He has to suggest that McCain's only problem is that "economy is sound" line, like since he said it it's been used against him and the idiots can't remember anything else. But not everything works like the way "Obama's an Arab and therefore also evil" works on some people. Maybe that's the reason he can't get "redistriubtion of wealth=socialist and communist!" to stick the way he wants it to.
The only positive thing about any of these guys is that they're mortal.
They won't always be here to screw things up.
What a fuckin asshole.
So who's the lube?
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Can't say fairer than that.
My wife's family is a big bunch of "Newt-for-Prez'dent" whack-os.
Anybody know of a good site here on the 'tubes that catalogs Newt's failings? We're having a family get-together, and I want to go in armed with information.
Thanks.
these muthafucka's? Seriously. Thanks for your input Newt. "You don't raise taxes in a recession." When do you raise taxes Newt? Or is that just code for "We use this tax thing as a way to get votes and then fuck you over for big biz every time."
I love how they make "redistribution of income" meaning not rigging the system for elite's is framed like it's anti-American. Seriously, how fucked up is it when you have the Right actually trying to make a case that increasing taxes for the rich, getting rid of loopholes, increasing cap gains on income crated from pushing paper, on regulating financial institutions so they don't rig the system is somehow, and creating an actual living wage a bad thing for middle America, and middle America largely falls for it.
The Right in this country is so extreme, jingoistic, corpo-fascist, that Obama, who from all accounts is pretty much straight down the middle and in Europe would even be on the right side of the political spectrum is made to look like an extremist.
Word.
I saw this fuck on Sunday saying the same fear bullshit. His name is Newt... no need to say anything more. If he was any kind of human he would have changed that name long ago.
lowering taxes on corporations does not increase jobs....it increases ceo pay packages
trickle down doesnt work
we now all know that
good to see yah this morning unca joe, im surprised you could take time off from your job at wendys fry cooking , but your right as allways lowering taxes, trickle down , yeah thats the ticket,
the democratic party would be squarely placed out on the far right wing, except on immigration, and no, we are not communists.
http://screenrant.com/daniel-craig-turns-thor...
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ISN'T THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?????
Gingrich needs his head extricated from his sphincter.
is not usually required per se.
in France, tip is actually a part of the bill, required by law. Most other nations the habit of tipping is actually getting a bit more normal (north europe), though the employees are not dependent on it, but it is given if you are pleased with the service they provide.
Newt proposes to turn Harry Reid into the bogeyman? Harry couldn't scare a fruit fly. This is the best Republican strategy to win?
that Nancy Pelosi could get her ass kicked by Cindy Sheehan, no?
So that takes care of her - I'm hoping.
And, since it's a new session of Congress in 2009, can't the Senate and the House elect new leaders?? They dont really have to keep these lame brains do they? I'm not up-to-date on my House and Senate rules....
Why aren't the Democrats explaining how the Republicans are the ones who have been have been redistributing wealth from the middle class to the very wealthy for decades? Not only have they shifted the tax burden away from the wealthy to the middle class, but they have used a mythic "free Market" to shift profits away from workers to upper management and owners. Who says that CEOs are worth increasing millions in salaries while their employees' wages have been stagnating? It's time to unmask the myth of the "free market" as a very carefully designed plan to quietly redistribute wealth upwards, not a scientific economic model of Utopian capitalist state.
Meanwhile they've sold our public resources for next to nothing to the wealthiest compainies and our public services to for-profit companies. This seems to me to be the biggest redistribution of wealth in US history, yet the pathetic Democrats meekly try to deny that they are redistributing anything by giving the middle class back wealth that has been taken from them in the name of a "free market." With a severe recession developing that will affect everyone, I think people will finally be receptive to understanding how their wealth has been quietly redistributed over the past decades, and why a new economic paradigm is needed to gauge the value of our work. The Democrats seem to be missing an opportunity frame their response to this economic collapse as a CORRECTION, not a redistribution.
Nicely put!
O'asshole is one piece of work. This narccissitic greedhead creep makes more in a month than most people do in years. Now, he gets a 10 mill a year contract, and all he's worried about is having to pay some taxes. I know several family members and friends who would LOVE to pay taxes, but can't; because they no longer have jobs! And they never made in a year, anywhere near what O'asshole makes in a month!
I am so sick of these cheap, greedy, uber rich republican sociopaths I could puke! I hope that put that no good son-of-a-bitch in a 99.99% tax bracket, and make it retroactive to the day he was hired at Fox.
People are going to be starving in the streets by the millions, (thanks to the GOP's 2nd Great Depression), and these assholes are worried about having $30 million in disposable income instead of $40 million. Unfraking believeable!
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