Pro-Life really means Anti-Contraception
By John Amato Thursday Jul 23, 2009 7:30am
This is a speech by Tim Ryan back in 2005. It was pretty powerful and I had some dealings with him after this because he spoke up against the war and highlighted the insane amounts of money we were pouring into it. Billions of dollars a month. That was then and this is now.
I'm sure most of us have been amazed at how disingenuous pro-life groups are when it comes to contraception. They scream "life" is sacred, but then try to prevent all ways that are available to our society when it comes to pregnancy prevention. We've seen insane protests against the Plan B pill which would actually prevent unwanted pregnancies. What many pro-lifers really want to do is control the sex lives of every American. I know it's hard to picture, it creeps me out just thinking about it, but the James Dobsons and Richard Lands of the religious right just want to decide when and how people can have sex.
There's a Democratic group devoted to the pro-life movement that's called Democrats For Life of America and Rep. Tim Ryan learned why they are so full of shit and can never be taken seriously.
U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) has been, in his words, "booted" from the national advisory board of Democrats For Life of America. The group's mission is to elect and support pro-life Democrats; Ryan served on the board for four years but the relationship had recently soured when he co-sponsored the "Preventing Unintended Pregnancies, Reducing the Need for Abortion and Supporting Parents Act":
Ryan said he tried to convince officials with Democrats For Life of America, which he referred to Monday as a "fringe group," that the use of contraception is needed as part of any plan to reduce unintended pregnancies but that failed.
Kristen Day, Democrats For Life's executive director, was ready to move on. "DFLA gave Congressman Ryan ample opportunities to prove he's committed to protecting life, but he has turned his back on the community at every turn."
Ryan insists he's still a strong pro-life advocate. The proposed bill includes funding for comprehensive "teen pregnancy prevention" sex education and expanded coverage of "family planning" for low-income women. "We're working in Congress with groups that agree with preventative options while [the DFLA] is getting left behind," Ryan said. "I can't figure out for the life of me how to stop pregnancies without contraception. Don't be mad at me for wanting to solve the problem."
Say goodbye, Mr. Ryan. No sex for you.
Digby linked to this article in the NY Times from 2006 and it spells out their views on contraception. We must never forget what they really believe.
Many Christians who are active in the evolving anti-birth-control arena state frankly that what links their efforts is a religious commitment to altering the moral landscape of the country. In particular, and not to put too fine a point on it, they want to change the way Americans have sex. Dr. Stanford, the F.D.A. adviser on reproductive-health drugs, proclaimed himself "fully committed to promoting an understanding of human sexuality and procreation radically at odds with the prevailing views and practices of our contemporary culture." Focus on the Family posts a kind of contraceptive warning label on its Web site: "Modern contraceptive inventions have given many an exaggerated sense of safety and prompted more people than ever before to move sexual expression outside the marriage boundary." Contraception, by this logic, encourages sexual promiscuity, sexual deviance (like homosexuality) and a preoccupation with sex that is unhealthful even within marriage.This is why the "common ground" movement is such crap. The social conservatives don't care about "life" they care about sex. In fact, they are the ones who are obsessed with it. And until they can establish social and legal sanctions against other people having unapproved sex, they will not stop. That is what moves them.
Tim Ryan says that he can't think of a way to stop unwanted pregnancies without contraception. But that's because he knows that human have sex regardless of whether it's sanctioned by some busy bodies down at the corner mega-church. These social conservatives do not accept that. They think that sex must be controlled and that they should be the ones to control it. Perhaps they think they need this in order to control themselves.
I'll never forget that freak of nature Bill Frist, who embarrassed himself on THIS WEEK when he didn't know how HIV was transmitted and that condoms fail 15% of the time. He's a man who backed the phony abstinence programs that was being taught to our kids. then he self diagnosed Terri Schiavo from a video tape. He embodies the "social conservative" sex movement. Yuck.
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bunch of goddamn throwback troglodytes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9DVJE_bhVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEswYNdBR1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQEA0yj0&NR=1
Pleezzzzzzzzzzzze don't use their propaganda words, they are only anti-choice, a big part of what Pres. Jimmy Carter renounced just recently is the subjugation of women under these kinds of restrictions. FASCISM always needs more warm bodies for their wars, so forcing women to have babies is the best way they can think of.
you're correct, we shouldn't use their words.
I like the term, "forced childbirth movement," personally. Not original to me and no idea where I first saw or hear it.
description for these morans I've heard yet.
Anti-Sex League from 1984 myself.
Save the fetus, screw the kids
ok, are you paying attention?
how to avoid conception:
don't f#ck randomly
don't f#ck at all.
if you stick a penis in a vagina without a
raincoat, then your chances of pregnancy
are 50/50, but that depends on what part
of her cycle the woman is experiencing.
Religion's Inhumanity to Women:
• In February, footage was released of a 17-year-old teenage girl being beaten in public in the Swat Valley, Pakistan, by several men for stepping outside with her father-in-law (instead of with her husband). Some of the mob in the Taliban-dominated area said she should have been put to death.
• The Catholic Church's intervention in an abortion for it 9-year-old rape victim shocked pious Brazilians. After unsuccessfully attempting to halt the abortion in March, the Vatican excommunicated the little girl, her mother and the physician who performed the abortion. The Church notably and deliberately did not excommunicate the stepfather who had been sexually abusing her since she was six.
The girl's pregnancy with twins was discovered when she was four months along. Although abortion is illegal in Brazil, exceptions are made both for rape and where the women’s life is at risk. The girl, who weighed only 80 pounds, met both conditions.
Archbishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho of Recife said "God's law” makes abortion a sin. “Then took an innocent life,” he told Time Magazine. “Abortion is much more serious than killing an adult.”
...the availability of contraceptives led to Sen. Larry Craig's wide stance. Maybe the pro-lifers don't realize that contraception has no effect on man-on-man sex. Or on toe-tapping for that matter.
The only reason they call themselves pro-life
Is because they believe life begins at conception.
The only trouble is that's only a belief.
Science doesn't claim to know precisely when life starts
And that way the anti-choicers don't have to argue God's Will
Which is what they'd really like to do
But it would get them laughed out of the room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
... followers of a religion that postulates an all-seeing, all-knowing, omnipotent being believe that wearing a condom is sufficient to totally put the screws to His Plan.
... what their opinion is on 'crossing the line, but not crossing the ultimate line' - as
King DavidMark Sanford calls it.money and needs humans to do his work. They also think he is a petty-minded bigot and an egotistical mean spirited bastard that demands to be worshiped at every moment of everyone's lives, except for his chosen ones, who can do anything they choose at any time.
I love that bit.
Science knows exactly when life starts.
As soon as that sperm penetrates that egg life starts. Period.
Speaking of "periods", the fertilized "zygote" travels along the Fallopian tube and embeds in the uterine lining ONLY if the hormonal conditions are perfect, and ONLY if the lining is acceptable etc.
MANY ZYGOTES ARE FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET WHEN THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET.
So, science clearly does know when "life" begins. It's the same deal for all mammals, sea creatures etc.
These neanderthals who want to control human sexuality (never gonna happen) need to understand that even the happiest of little zygotes end up in the sewer...and it's "God's will" when they do.
Personally I think young adults (13 and up) who "feel" sexual should be allowed to freely experiment with their sexuality without all the "rules" and religious dogma being thrust (no pun) onto them.
Safely of course...and with lots of straight forward education that is non-judgmental. Basically I believe this is the way life goes on in The Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries now and they have the lowest incidents of unwanted pregnancies and STD's of any country.
This is a pipe-dream now, but I think if the human race goes on that someday sexual freedom will be the norm and many women and men (especially women) will not have all the sexual frustrations and hang ups that they do today.
For me all this comes down to the idea that EVERY CHILD should be WANTED...not an "accident".
You are WAY too rational! All girls and women of child-bearing age should be locked into Menstrual Sequestration & Evaluation Centers during their periods so that they can collect every bit of menstrual flow, which will be examined under a microscope to find any zygotes. These will then be issued Social Security numbers and be given decent Christian burials.
... out of my pants!
It is all about control, using an invisible sky wizard as pretext.
Pffffft!
I Recently e-mailed the "Democrats For The Life of America" and asked them two questions:
1. If life begins at conception, who determines the "Moment of Conception?"
2. If life begins at conception, why can't it(LIFE) register with and be recognized by the Social Security Admin?
As of right now,no answer yet!
How about some of you pro-lifers out there trolling around, would you like to answer my questions for me?
3. If life begins at conception, why don't people who have miscarriages have funerals to honor that life?
When they lose their babies. They name them etc.
Maybe not at 4 months...but from 5 months on the fetus looks like a tiny baby and many of these parents are truly heartbroken when they lose these pregancies.
Maybe I should have been more specific and said miscarriages that usually occurs prior to 20 weeks of gestation.
Depends on the parents, really. IMO, it's a baby as soon as the mother decides she's going to go through with pregnancy.
their beliefs on everyone.
but thee James Dobson's and Richard Land's of the religious right just want to decide when and how people can have sex.
I think you misspoke, John. Dobson and Land and their cronies just want to decide when and how THEY can have sex. Controlling the lives of others makes them feel a little less bad about their own sorry state.
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
but thee James Dobson's and Richard Land's of the religious right just want to decide when and how people can have sex.
I think you misspoke, John. Dobson and Land and their cronies just want to decide when and how THEY can have sex. Controlling the lives of others makes them feel a little less bad about their own sorry state.
Sorry...don't know why this double-posted.
So pro-lifers only have sex when they want a child, which might be three times in their life. No wonder they're insane.
Yeah, not getting laid makes them quite ornery.
I know I get cranky.
That's what I call being hornery.
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in this bullshit.
refuse to believe that Obama's BC is legit.
fuckin morans.
So pro-lifers only have sex when they want a child, which might be three times in their life. No wonder they're insane.
And anti-contraception really means anti-sex. (Anti-sex for other people, anyway.)
;-)
If they are anti-contraception then women will keep getting pregnant with unwanted babies and keep having abortions. This keeps them in stock for something to bitch about. If all women used contraception and didn't get pregnant with unwanted babies, abortion might not be necessary therefore republicans would not be necessary.
... it's their opinion that sex is for procreation only, so you shouldn't be indulging if you're not intending to conceive, therefore contraceptive methods are against God's Will or somesuch nonsense.
Because We All Know that women are devious, evil tempters who have mystical powers over the male sex organ and can make it perform tricks on demand (just ask Mark Sanford).
And, again - God's perfect design is foiled by a little hip-wiggle or a couple of drinks?
No need to ask Mark Sanford I can tell you right here and now that it is true. End of discussion.
That women are devious, evil tempters ...
... or that Mark Sanford is King David's Penis?
You know my mom?
She's a classy lady.
Yes, and it's a known fact that there are more "Red State" Holy Roller teenage girls getting pregnant OUT OF WEDLOCK than in any other demographic and are taking these pregnancies to term either to be raised by the girls parents or in a forced marriage.
Bristol Palin is a classic example of this.
There also may be a touch of paranoia with these groups. God forbid that their offspring wise up and realize they can actually leave Podunk and have interesting lives until the age of 30 or so with NO KIDS!!
God forbid they should move on and decide to NEVER have kids! Then this group of Neaderthals will end up with, well....the Neanderthals!
... 'forbidden fruit' aspect of sexuality. It's the innate human need to feel connected, with sexuality being one of its strongest expressions.
I imagine that a repressive atmosphere has its contributions to an adolescent boy or girl seeking something other than criticism. In Palin's case, it could also be that Bristol is well aware of her mother's 'it's only a crime if you get caught' mentality.
Heaven forbid! New bumper sticker: "My God can Kick Your God's Ass."
a woman getting getting a tubal ligation(tubes tied) or a man getting a vasectomy?
Guess.
get thee behind me satan!
moonsha!
tubal ligations and vasectomies....
http://www.blessedarrows.org/
"biblical"
http://www.pricelesswoman.com/Other_Pages/Is_...
Tubal ligation and vasectomies?
So true pro-lifers only have sex when they want a child, which is about three times in their life. No wonder they're insane.
These anti-choicers want pregnacy to be punishment for women who have sex...because a married woman with a good christian husband would never ever never ever need an abortion.
That's true -- remember, in Scotland in past centuries, using anesthesia for pain in childbirth was illegal because the Bible says that women must suffer during childbirth because of Eve's original sin.
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I have noticed for several years that the catholic church would love to outlaw birth control of any kind. They believe its abortion. I don't know any catholic women who would let the church tell them what to do when it comes to birth control pills of any kind. I have tried to tell many of my friends to watch out it is coming. You got the catholic church and now some of these right wing extreme churchs who want to tell women how to live. Sorry for the church because the jeannie is out of the bottle. Many people can't afford dozens of children like the Duggar lemmings. They are so brainwashed they do even know they are.
That's why my mom left the Catholic church a long time ago - sticking their noses in other people's bedrooms.
Someone once said that American Catholics keep their religion outside the bedroom door.
After I was born, in 1959, my mom went to her priest and asked if there was anything she could do to prevent having any more kids (I was her 4th) and the PRIEST told her it was OK to go on the pill! Her own words, "Hallelujah!"
(Wait.....why did she do that after I was born?? Why not after kid #3? What were you sayin', there, Mom?)
Not just catholics treat women as inferior.
Jimmy Carter abandoned the Southern Baptist Convention because their they changed their creed in ways that violates the teaching of Jesus Christ as the Prince of Peace Convention.
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2000/10_23/pag...
Carter said he and his wife, Rosalynn, want to associate with "other traditional Baptists who continue to share such beliefs as separation of church and state, servanthood and not domination of pastors, local church autonomy, a free religious press and equality of women.
Carter also said one particular change in the 2000 doctrinal statement "overrides and explains the other concerns I have"--the SBC's decision to eliminate language that identifies Jesus Christ as "the criterion by which the Bible is to be interpreted."
___"Most disturbing has been the convention's recent decision to remove Jesus Christ, through his words, deeds and personal inspiration, as the ultimate interpreter of the Holy Scriptures," he explained in his press release. "This leaves open making the pastors or executives of the SBC the ultimate interpreters."
... color me impressed.
I even read one of his more recent books, 'Our Moral Crisis: America's Endangered Values' and found it to be well-reasoned, thought-provoking, and balanced. That's the kind of moral leadership we need in this country, not the people fussing over the precise meaning of passages in Leviticus means.
interpreting Holy Scriptures.
They are pro-life until that life gets to the age where they can send it to war.
Not only do they send them to potentially be killed, but their mission is to KILL OTHERS.
So much for God and "Thou shalt not kill".
are almost always pro death penalty...funny innit?
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If they were they be donating money to education and youth programs so those kids don't killed by gangs before they're old enough to join the military.
"I'll never forget that freak of nature Bill Frist, who embarrassed himself on THIS WEEK when he didn't know how HIV was transmitted and that condoms fail 15% of the time."
Did Frist think that condoms fail at 15%, or are you saying he didn't "know that condoms fail 15% of the time"?
I think the condom failure rates are much less than that.
8%, but I could be wrong.
2 or 3%...
But I too, could be wrong.
whatever the rate of condom failure.... the % of HIV "condomless" exposure again experiences around the same %, more or less, of infection, overall. It invites one to read the literature out on that. As such, it appears to be easier, or as easy at least, to be impregnated as to become HIV infected. Interesting concept!
People want to have sex because it is normal. It is how we are made. It is preprogrammed into our brain. It's like buying a computer with Microsoft Word already stalled. It is normal. In nature some things do not work. A lot of the time there is a reason for it. With these people they didn't get the program installed that tells them sex is fun, do it as often as you can. Most people have that program installed and it works fine. Their program has been left out or altered because nature has figured out that these people should not reproduce so their programming was left out. Unfortunately they apparently have just enough brain power where they think everybody should be just like them. Now we normal people have figured out that there are too many people in the world after these 6000 years and we need to slow the process down. We also realize that for some of us it is not a good idea to have 8 kids or for teenagers to have kids or many other reasons not to have kids but we are still horny and want to "get it on." So we figured out a way to have it both ways. The people without the "sex is fun" program think we should all be like them. Because of this they can't handle it that we like sex. So they think that we should not have sex. These people are faulty. Unfortunately they cannot be reprogrammed.
... they think of it as malware. It even involves Trojans ... ;D
And I wonder if they think the conception fairy is going to pop up like the gorram paperclip: Hello! You appear to be trying to conceive; would you like help with that?
Obviously you understand completely. You are hired as a programming consultant. Your first job is to figure out how to defragment their hard disks (brains) and know that sex is fun but they are not to be able to conceive in no way shape or form.
Slide the write-protect tab to one side.
You can also cover it with scotch tape ... ;D
Have had sex and it WAS NOT FUN.
We've all had experiences with sex that were, well...boring.
Maybe all these poor suckers don't realize that sex can be FUN!!!!
Which reminds me, one of the Red States (probably at the instigation of this group) actually made it ILLEGAL to buy/sell vibrators!!
What are they going to do next? Cut guys hands off and stop the sale of hand-held shower heads?
What are they going to do next? Cut guys hands off and stop the sale of hand-held shower heads?
Fundamentalism knows no limits.
really...since most of their religious beliefs prohibit anything other than the missionary position...small wonder there's so much adultery...Take Sanford for example....poor SOB HAD to travel to Argentina, just to get some doggy-style.
It's sad really.
Go ahead...chop my hands off. See if that stops me! LOL!
In case you missed it, go read from Mike's Blog Roundup the Progressive Puppy link. http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_progressi...
We now have an official document from the Catholic church clearly stating their position. Anyone involved in an abortion for any reason is to be automatically excommunicated, no exceptions. They've actually hardened their position. That includes nine-year old children raped by their stepfather. It includes any doctors who act on sympathy for a maltreated child. Of course, all the rapist has to do is demand that his victim bear his child, and he will be welcomed in the bosom of the holy church. The church is standing firm on principle.
issue an encyclical that stated that sex (between married couples, of course) served an important purpose aside from procreation? Promoted something I would loosely interpret as improved mental and spiritual health, something decidedly pro-social.
I'm not a Catholic, but it was a near miss and I usually note what they're saying about sex.
They make all this noise about the fetus this and the fetus that, but if it was never wanted and an abortion was decided against, when the question of who will raise it arises, they're no where to be found.
I've NEVER seen a commercial for these fucks encouraging adoption, never! I've also never hear of these fucks pushing to reform the adoption system to prevent psychos from being eligible to adopt. Nor do I ever hear of "pro-life" groups donating to after school programs for kids to keep them out of trouble. They keep trying to get abortion criminalized, but yet these dumbshits never think about the possible aftermath of that. More teenage mothers who do a piss-poor job of raising their kids. More unwanted kids would be more likely to have psychological problems or be abused.
The pro-life movement is full of some of the biggest damned hypocrites I've ever seen. If they're so big about saving fetal lives, it's beyond me why they'd be against something that prevents and unwanted pregnancy and therefore an abortion... oh wait, they don't care about the fetus, it's just a political pawn for them, they just want to push their backward-ass anachronistic religious beliefs on everyone else.
I always hear about adoption from these guys. I also personally know pro-lifers who adopt children. You won't find this on Crooks and Liars, but just google pro life adoption or something and you'll get information on it.
And as crappy as the kids life may be, what gives us the right to choose who lives and who dies? I don't think that's a good argument.
On the individual level, I mean as a movement. I went and searched "pro-life adoption commercial" on youtube and I ran into one video. Considering how huge and controversial the issue is, that's pretty scant. I've found a bill here and there for adoption reform, but none were on the Federal level. I've also ran into my share of pro-life groups picketing clinics, they're always going the "abortion is murder" angle as opposed to the "put your kid up for adoption if you don't want it" angle.
Secondly when was I talking about choosing who lives and who dies? I'm talking about preventing a situation that could lead to an abortion. That is not the same as someone else choosing who gets to live an who gets to die. Re-read what I said, nowhere am I making the argument that someone should have an abortion if we think it's life will suck. My argument is that contraceptives should be available to prevent a situation where abortion is considered. What I was pointing out was possible fallout in a scenario where contraceptives and abortions were not available.
The fact is not every is fit to be a parent, not ever child will be welcomed into a loving family, or they won't be able to properly care of the child. And some people know that, that's why they use contraception so there is no need to even consider abortion.
End of story.
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That is the way it should be.
As a guy, because I can never experience a pregnancy, I just don't see how it is moral if I try to force a woman not to have an abortion. It is her choice and her choice alone.
This isn't the same as saying, because I wasn't living in Auschwitz I can't say the Holocaust was wrong. I can experience what life is like in a concentration camp if I go to the right totalitarian country and piss off the right (or wrong) party member. Pregnant on the other hand is something I can never be and thus never know what a woman goes though.
Bulling and control. And out breeding the Muslims. You haven't been paying attention.
for improving economic circumstances for single mothers or their children, they are apparently comfortable relegating them to a permanent underclass position.
Has to do the shit jobs in society. I suppose that's their justification.
Most pro-lifers are Christian and believe life starts at conception, it may be unscientific but it's their belief system. And technically, with Plan B the egg could still get fertilized but not implant, but that's really rare. Either way, they see it as murder and don't like the slippery slope.
I'm pretty much pro-choice but I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm probably misrepresenting their argument so I'm sorry to those who are pro-life if I did.
Who is being judgemental? We have a system of laws in this country and the Supreme Court ruled that abortion is legal. Pro-birthers are entitled to their opinions, but to the extent they continue to bash women and target doctors who choose to LEGALLY have or perform an abortion is unacceptable.
Abortion should be rare and one of the best ways eliminate this is contraception.
For arguments sake, let's accept the premise that life starts at conception and abortion is murder. Contraception would help prevent conception thus preventing murder. Wouldn't this make pro-birthers that are against contraception PRO CRIME?
By the way, I question your statement "pretty much" pro-choice. A pro-choice advocate would not pose the question who are we to decide who lives or dies because the whole premise of life beginning at conception is not scientifically proven. Sure you say playing devil's advocate later on, but are you pro-choice or "pretty much" pro-life?
So if life starts at conception, and contraceptives prevent that conception, then there is no life. No conception = no life.
If there is no life, then it is impossible to have a situation where an abortion would be considered, and preventing life is not the same as killing something. You can't kill something that was never there to begin with.
So I fail to see why the politicians and religious right have a problem with contraception. I come from a rather conservative Catholic family (I'm pretty much the black sheep) none of them have a huge problem with contraception.
What gets on my nerves is that some in the pro-life movement use "God's plan" as their argument. Well how the hell do they know what God's plan is, does he come by for dinner and talk to them about it?
The anti-choice a-holes don't want to have abortions. Fine.
But they have NO fuckin right to push their archaic and hokey religious beliefs onto ANYONE. And they need to STAY OUT OF POLITICS!
Period. End of motherfuckin story....
... if life begins at conception, are we to conclude that Adam was a sperm, and Eve an egg?
and Eve was a rib?
I'm confused.
Wouldn't that make her a clone of Adam? Is it masturbation if you do your own clone?
Sounds like a question for....Dr. Ruth?
rights of women who don't want to be or can't continue to be pregnant, even if that woman's religious beliefs or agnosticism/atheism, etc. gives them permission to decide for themselves?
You're darn right people are going to judge the forced-birthers.
they want 10, 12, 14 kids.
Can't do that with birth control.
It's a real eye-opener.
as the "Promise-Keepers"...probably the same bunch of neanderthals.
12 kids, each making minimum wage ($8.00 here in Ca), for 8 hours a day 5 days a week gets me $3840 a week. Maybe having a bunch of kids isn't such a bad idea, I can just send them off to work while I lounge around the living room in front of the TV like Jabba the Hutt. I can just make them eat stuff from the 99 cent menus and instant noodles, and whip them when they get out of line.
Wait what? I'm not allowed to treat my kids like slaves?! Well don't take my contraceptives away then.
I've been saying this for years to the conservatives: "If you're so conservative (meaning afraid to change...being conservative) then why don't you ban "the pill" and put us back "in the good ol' days" of the 1950's with the Beaver, and Ozzie and Harriet....?
Try the rythem method? How many incested bible belters would there be? Hell, Palin couldn't even do it right. Pathetic conservative...C'mon and ban the pill and show your stuff....
I have said for decades that the anti-abortion, "pro" life crowd is really at it's heart about sex. As in they don't like it and they don't like people having it which is why some group who claims to be anti-abortion but is against comprehensive sex education and contraceptives is not interested in preventing unwanted pregnancies.
They want to control your morals.
You think these people are for adults having a happy, fulfilling sex life?
I am sure the idea of oral sex is appalling to them or having sex in any position but the "normal" missionary is just disgusting.
These people are anti-sex and want to control what you do with other consenting adults.
If you get rid of contraception then you will be limiting how much sex people have on this they are right, which is why they want it.
This country is so perverted it boggles the mind.
Love violence, hate sex.
I am quite the fan of Mark Morford over at SF Gate, but have to admit, after all is said and done (and acted upon !;) that missionary is my peferred way to see eye to eye, mouth to mouth, soul to soul if you will, as an exit strategy to such operations. (Not that anyone need hear my particular confession!)
Equating anti-contraception with abortion makes as little sense as people who can oppose abortion and support capital punishment.
When I was a kid, the general opinion, the conservative wing of the Catholic Church was moving the church from the position that "quickening" happened sometime after the 60-day point to the current "life begins at conception" position. So if there is no moral difference between using contraception and having an abortion, doesn't that mean that life begins at intent?
If terminating or preventing pregnancy is a violation of G-d's will, does that include abstinence? With the Christian Taliban calling abstinence the best form of birth control, doesn't that lump them together?
So if life begins at intent, and abstinence thwarts that intent, then back when I was a randy 16 year old, I could have used "but if we don't make love, it means we hate Jesus" when young ladies were reluctant? And it would have been cool with all those church people? RATS !!!!!!!
You invoque "G-d" for god. Isn't that Jewish in practice? (No problem or slight here, just curious)
and have acknowleged for years a greater American mindset against sexuality on its own terms, the ignorant and "Puritannically" based fear, obsession and oppression. But can someone here please dissect/reconstruct for me (I ain't smart enough I guess) the logical progession of the statement above (even as a counterpoint within an argument) which states: "Contraception, by this logic, encourages.... sexual deviance (like homosexuality)...."? Huh?!
If you could get me some crack first.
Because to think like a crackhead, one must first become a crackhead.
to this fringe element, frankly, "spunk" is life, and therefore precious...
woops, there goes another...
to clarify, i believe they have a strong-held belief that THE ONLY REVERANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOR is matrimonial obligation, i.e. in the singular, narrowly-defined purpose of procreation within the construct of their archaic (sic) definition of marriage.
ANY other sexual behavior, I think they are saying, is deviant. Whoa.
Bummer for them
OK WHO WANTS TO START THE MONTY PYTHON SING-A-LONG?
She said sex is for fun and procreation. All you fundamentalists--get over it. And if you do not want to do it, just don't. If they can talk to God, I can talk to Nature.
Where is this Tim Ryan guy and why isn't he on the MSM circuit right now?!?!?!
I really wish writers, especially on the Left (I'm looking at you, John) would start to refer to these people by an accurate description: they are anti-abortion. "Pro-life" is a slippery construction anyway (I imagine most people are in favor of being alive) but even taking it by what it purports to mean, a "pro-life" person would also be anti-war, anti-torture and anti-death penalty. And to be fair, some anti-abortionists are, in particular many Catholics.
No, what most of them are is anti-abortion, and as pointed out, anti-sex. Ceding them the label "pro-life" gives them a false positive image they do not deserve. They are not defined by what they are in favor of, but by what they are against.
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