Rep. Mike Pence is exposed as an out of touch conservative on FOX News Sunday
Heather already posted on this segment, but I wanted to make an additional point. When I saw that Mike Pence was getting a full segment by himself I was a little upset because he had the floor to himself on FOX which usually leads to unfiltered right wing talking points becoming gospel and I imagine that's how he viewed it as well. But when Chris Wallace read off a litany of his failings he had no coherent response. He never answered any of the questions and sat there as a true representative of the conservative movement. They are barren of ideas, obstruct all meaningful legislation and have absolutely nothing to add that will try and dig this country out of the hole the Bush administration put us in.
WALLACE: Congressman, isn't the recession leveling off? And doesn't President Obama deserve some credit?
WALLACE: But nobody -- excuse me. Nobody said that the stimulus bill was going to stop the recession.
WALLACE: But I want to ask you about another report, and we're going to put it up on the screen. More than 2,400 people are now at work on federal-stimulus-funded roadway projects in Indiana.
"What's clear is that the stimulus projects have boosted an industry otherwise floundering in Indiana." And that is not from the DNC. That's from the Evansville, Indiana Courier & Press.
WALLACE: First you're saying the stimulus is bad. Now you're saying you're just not getting your fair share of it.
Watch the segment and watch him flail away like an old man trying to hit a 95 mph fastball. He whiffed and looked bad doing it. The conservative mantra of tax cuts alone would not have done anything to fix our problems but only deepened them.
And the cash for clunkers program as Chris Wallace repeatedly brought up has been a big hit, but you'll never get him to admit that.
-- Ford Motor Co. will post its first monthly U.S. sales increase since 2007 as the government’s “cash-for-clunkers” incentives boosted industrywide deliveries of new vehicles to the highest levels of this year.
Details will be released today when Ford joins automakers in announcing July deliveries, said Ken Czubay, the company’s U.S. sales and marketing chief. He disclosed the year-over-year improvement in an interview yesterday without giving specifics.
Industry sales probably ran at an annual rate of more than 10 million autos, 2009’s best showing, after the trade-in credits stoked consumers’ interest, said George Pipas, Ford’s sales analyst. Such a result may indicate a bottom in the market’s worst slump since 1976.
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New Cars Sales Up in July!
. . the recession is over!
This is purely idiotic. A man made recession is over. Oh yippie, jump on the bandwagon and hug the party you support! Ridiculous to the extreme. Just 6 months ago, the sky was falling and the world was ending, unless the ransom was paid to the big bankers and their Wall Street minions. Corporations literally collapsed. Oh woe is me, the end is near! Now suddenly, BOOM, it's all just hunky dory. The sun has risen once more! Un-believe-able!
So basically, political hacks are openly admitting the "greatest economic crash" since the great depression was nothing more than a fraud. Gimme the money or the hostage dies!
do you think Evet was serious? If you did, you have some ser-i-ous problems, or you just want to jump on someone and start a fight.
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Sorry. Just repeating political hackery as seen lately in the media.
But I wasn't jumping on him, I was agreeing. Completely.
I'm the one with the broken sark-o-meter, then.
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It must be great for you to have $20 or $30k laying around to pony up for a new car!
While I oppose debt, I don't see a problem with debt for housing or cars...unless we are lucky enough to have as much money in pocket change as you apparently do.
Let me add...credit is tight, so people getting it can afford it.
This is a good program for dealers, downstream suppliers, buyers and a boost all around for employment.
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Ok...???
right? There is a reason why credit is tight. Nobody has the money to repay loans.
Get a clue. Not everyone can get credit now. Those who are getting it are credit worthy. And economies run on people buying shit. That is what makes jobs.
Any other basic econ principles I can help you out with?
No thank you. Your Republican talking points are right. Now I'm scared.
Oh and just so you know I understand? Um, wasn't the bank bailouts problem, people borrowing massively to maintain a fake lifestyle they couldn't afford? How is buying a car on credit going to help that? What's next? OH how about home equity credit lines so you owe 300,000 on a 200,000 house? Oh wait, that's been done already. Kind of like borrowing to buy cars that are worthless in 3-5 years.
"And economies run on people buying shit." Nope, economies run on people PRODUCING shit. That's one reason why when our economy shrinks 1% it's a pleasant surprise and when China's grows 9% its a dissapointment.
Get a clue indeeed. MsJoanne. My advice to you is wake up! Then maybe you can look for a clue...Jezuz!
Producing shit that then what...sits in a warehouse so the owners can gaze lovingly at it?
While I doubt J.M. Keynes would have phrased it quite this way: Economies do run on people buying stuff.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
economies run on producing stuff that people buy.
one without the other spells trouble.
like, say, the american economy....
Producing shit don't mean shit if people ain't buying shit. :-)
Don't troll Ms Joanne. We regulars at C&L disagree sometimes (actually sometimes alot) but there is no reason to jump on her opinion.
Anyone believe I just typed that? Man, I'm getting old.
Anyway, you have a valid point in there though. Production is what keeps the economy flowing, not consumption. Consumption is the problem with the economy. Nations produce goods for other nations, not for their own citizens anymore. All part and parcel of various trade agreements. So the problem isn't that Americans aren't buying stuff. It's others aren't buying American stuff. You can thank those megacorporations like Walmart, who shop for the lowest prices regardless what slaves produced it. Hell, even in oh Canada, most of our goods are produced for US consumption, not ours.
shock. faint. thud! ;)
But the problem is a deliberate contraction of credit by the extremely small group of players controlling nearly all the nation's capital.
Money has never been cheaper for big banks, yet they are loaning at exorbitant rates, if they loan at all.
I agree you've mentioned some long term problems, but they are not why we're in the shape we are today.
This mess was no accident.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Stick the "natural resilience" of the American economy up your ass.
What is Pence talking about? One third of the stimulus bill was tax cuts to the middle class. And why isn't Wallace reminding him about that. Next time Dems: Name you bills better (Example: Obama Tax cut bill).
Dems don't advocate tax cuts, that is the Republican party. /snark
"Details will eliveries oftoday" ?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
These guys are so good at staying on message and the message is endlessly uncompromisingly negativity.Blah,blah,blah,blah,blah.
They've got nothing to offer except warmed over trickle down tax voodoo pinhead economic malarkey.
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and to think I had gotten criticized for suggesting that C4C was going to help reduce inventories to get the auto workers back to work quicker
His lips were moving but nothing was coming out. Palin/Pence 2012
Interesting how the Republicans like to overlook the fact that the hellish 8 years of GW Bush proved that they are ANYTHING BUT fiscal conservatives......
When was the last time a Republican president balanced the budget?
so the government borrows money to bail out the auto industry. Then the government borrows money, to get taxpayers to trade in their used cars, for new ones usually through car loans. OK. So at the end of the day, exactly what was accomplished again? The government borrowed twice to bailout the auto industry and the taxpayer borrowed to buy a vehicle (also bailing out the auto industry)....so that was money borrowed three times. Who is paying all this money back? The unemployed? Seems the biggest winner in all this is once again the banks!
The newly employed US autoworkers and Canada are going to pay
Ya have to get people working again to bring up tax revenues or it's a downhill slide.
Thinking people get that, goopers don't (get it or think ;) ).
So, borrowing massively now, to get people working sounds great. Except what happens when the bill comes due and the money has to be paid back?
Helping people not working is a great idea, don't get me wrong. However the downside of all this borrowing and spending is you HAVE TO pay it back! If your credit card is maxed out and you can't pay it, you don't phone up Mastercard and cure it by increasing your credit limit.
The debtload is already massive. The cure isn't borrowing more. And trickle down doesn't work, regardless who is doing the trickling. That's been proven. If these car manufacturers actually made something worth buying that didn't depreciate in value as soon as you drove it off the lot, people would be still trying to buy.
(by the way, nice to see you back!)
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Proposing letting it circle down the drain by doing nothing is a plan in your eyes? Something has to be done to stimulate spending...Until the point where more and more people can afford to spend by more and more people being employed. You can hate shopping all you want, our economies depend on it - meaning both of us having roofs over our heads and food on our tables.
More and more people working increases the tax base (to pay off debt). People have to have jobs to pay taxes and shop. Again Econ101.
I'm always around reading...but glad to see my comments were missed - well by some at least :-)
we may disagree sometimes, but yes you were missed!
The whole idea is to give incentive to the people that are still working (government workers who depend on tax revenue to keep their jobs) to buy from the people that are not working to raise the revenue to keep the Government workers going and so on.
Evidently Wallace was not administered his FOX News talking points pill that morning. Heads are going to roll......
Dan Quail is going to hear about this.
When oh when are people going to stop believing this falsehood that by cutting taxes on the wealthy we somehow create a stronger economy. Eight years of running up deficits, spending like there's no tomorrow and cutting our source of income doesn't work.
Newsflash: YOU GUYS FAILED! Your grand experiment in selfishness didn't work! It is a fool who makes a mistake then persists in this mistake. You're a fool.
Mr. Pence, either your dogma doesn't work or it has never been tried. You pinheads had your chance to stop "wasteful government spending" and what did you do? Started wars and spent huge amounts of money without raising enough revenue! Running a nation costs money. People have to pay taxes. What's so effing difficult about this??
the mantra is part and parcel of the american experience--although in past generations there was an actual 'left' (RIP left)
as many have shown--most notably kevin phillips in wealth and democracy (highly recommended book)--the exact opposite is true. and the larger the disparity in income the more 'unhealthy' the economy. the past instances of huge wealth disparity--late 19th c, post ww1, the 1990s--led directly to economic collapse.
Back in the mid-90's when he had a radio show called "The Mike Pence Show," I was working part time at a small-market radio station in central Indiana. As part of my shift, I got to manage the board as we played the satellite feed of his show.
It was a mind-numbing, soul-crushing experience, and his talking points and attitude haven't changed much over the years. I remember when he got elected thinking how stupid my fellow Hoosiers must be to put an asshole like this in public office.
He's done little to prove me wrong since then.
One thing that Wallace did this week was that he continued to point out the Cash for Clunkers was working very well. I give him credit for that. He's still an asshole though. I'll tell you why in a second.
Yeah, I was very disappointed that Wallace didn't give Rangle a chance to respond to DiMint's bullshit about how much the CFC program costs. To me this program is one of the best things that the government has done as far as stimulus goes. I would love for the Republicans to try to filibuster it. Dipshits.
And I, for one, would love to see the opposition actually make them filibuster. None of this "gentleman's agreement" pooh either...the fool wanna stop an up/down vote, make 'em stand up and talk. Total gridlock as an example of Republican Obstructionism live on CSPAN2 for 36 strait hours baby. Then let 'em defend it.
Filibusters don't work like that any longer. If only it meant all of them had to stay and actually work. The new gentlemen's rule makes a real filibuster a thing of the past.
So, so, so sad, that.
Reviving it as a technique would do something towards changing the debate. Besides, what do the progressive caucus have to lose? The respect and bipartisanship of their peers?
Maybe that Mr. Weiner character should have a chat with some of his peeps about pulling a stunt. Couldn't hurt much really, and it's been an old philosophy of myne that if all the others do is talk smack about ya why bother to care about what they think. Act and make them react...basic tactics.
On either side of the aisle. None of our elected officials really give two shits about what's right and wrong for We the People (there are a few exceptions...my beloved Russ Feingold, even though I'm from IL,for example).
Translation= The Top 1% Gets Tax Relief and everyone else Pays for it!
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good on keith...
yet, greenwald's column today eviscerates msnbc, and countdown...
Pence trys to deflect the comments quoted from the Evensville Courier by producing statements he says are from the Indianapolis Star (a right-wing rag - roughly the equivalent of Fox News in print form).
-That the Republicans Borrowed against our future generations for tax cuts to the wealthy. The wealthy used the money to invest in manufacturing of U.S. manufactured products to overseas locations. They also severely risked and lost their money through Wall Street maddoff schemes. Which we borrowed to cover their lose.
-Borrowed for a pre emptive war and occupation that did not provide security nor revenge for the 9/11 attack.
-Most of all, what good does tax cuts do a man that has lost his job cannot find another and his employment is about to run out?
-Pence's tax cuts will do the same as Bush's tax cuts. More investment into forign lands.
I'm thinking, very few.
Jeez, what an idiot.
from an old man....hahahaha. wouldn't mind trying it once though
Pence and the rest of his ignorant racists morons in the Right Wing have nothing to say, afterall they are the party of NO IDEAS, just hatred.
Any time two of these terms appear in the same sentence one of them is redundant.
I cringe every time I see people like Mike Pence, Dan Burton and Evan Bayh making absolute fools of themselves and Indiana. The Republicans of Indiana are horrible; the Democrats in Indiana are corrupt and worse. It's hard to know who to vote for anymore.
Who would expect Chris Wallace to do anything buy lob softballs? Maybe his old man told him to stop being such a hack or he'd kick his ass.
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