David and I have been writing a lot about the violence that already has and will continue to occur because of the extremist nature of the tea party movement. The MSM seems to be afraid to point this out except to characterize it as isolated incidents. Don't they seem to happen all the time? How many have to happen before they're no longer isolated?
Steny Hoyer is on MSNBC giving a presser with Clyburn saying that they are fearful for their safety and other members should notify security. Chuck Todd tweets:
House Maj. Leader Hoyer says he's worried about the security of fellow House Dems; Calls on House GOP leaders to join in decrying threats.
Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.
An aide to the congressman confirmed to POLITICO that a line to a propane tank behind his brother's home near Charlottesville had been sliced.
The FBI would not disclose the details of the incident, but said that they have been to the home.
“This is very preliminary at this point, so we’re not making any comment at this time,” local FBI spokesman M.A. Myers told POLITICO.
Lee Catlin, community relations director for the Albemarle County Fire Marshal, said in a statement to POLITICO that the office is “investigating a suspicious incident” at the home of the congressman’s brother. “The Fire Marshal’s Office is conducting the investigation in cooperation with the FBI,” Catlin said. “While officials are not willing to characterize the exact nature of the incident because of the ongoing investigation, it did not involve an immediate threat to occupants of the residence. However officials are taking the incident very seriously and conducting a vigorous investigation,” the statement said.
POLITICO reported on Monday that Mike Troxel, an organizer for the Lynchburg Tea Party, posted on his blog what he thought was the congressman’s address, encouraging tea party activists to “drop by...read on
A tea party activist targeted Perriello yesterday, got his name wrong and today we have a gas line cut.
As Digby wrote yesterday:
I would imagine there will be more of this. I'm just surprised they didn't do it before the vote:
A tea party organizer angry over Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) vote in favor of health care reform published what he thought was the freshman member’s home address on a blog, in case any readers “want to drop by” and provide a “personal touch” to their views.
Basic intimidation, obviously. I'd imagine that some of them might even want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
UPDATE: mcjoan has more:
Update: The "shocked" and "speechless" Nigel Coleman is the same one who said:
When Coleman learned the address was actually Perriello’s brother’s — Politico reported he and his wife have four young children — Coleman commented on another blog that the mistake was "collateral damage."
"Do you mean I posted his brother’s address on my Facebook?" Coleman wrote. "Oh well, collateral damage."
Yeah, nothing violent in that.
UPDATE 2: Perriello has released the following statement:
“My number one priority right now is ensuring the safety of my brother’s family, and I am grateful to law enforcement for their excellent work. While it is too early to say anything definitive regarding political motivations behind this act, it’s never too early for political leaders to condemn threats of violence, particularly as threats to other Members of Congress and their children escalate. And so I ask every member of House and Senate leadership to state unequivocally tonight that it is never OK to harm or threaten elected officials and their families with anything more than political retribution. Here in America, we settle our political differences at the ballot box.”
and those teabaggers carrying out any criminal acts are punished just like anyone else would be... illegal is illegal!
We need to call it what it is, right wing domestic terrorism.
It is terrorism and it has been building up to this stage for some time.
Remember when the teabaggers brought guns to Presidential events and Gibbs glibly made light of it?
Say what you want about Bush, but do you think he would have stood wimpishly by and allowed that sort of thuggish activity to go on? Obama's milquetoast response only emboldened them.
Someone has to inform him that playing it cool isn't always appropriate. Some situations call for a strong, forceful response.
These goons need to have the hammer brought down on them but I fear Obama is to weak to do so.
or do more to incite violence than to use force to try to suppress these people. Any overt actions that violate the law may be dealt with by law enforcement. Weakness has nothing to do with it. Do you think Lewis weak?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
and stop it... They even stop Americans from real free speech of wearing T-shirt of anti-bush statement for impeachment..
Democrats or may I say phony dmeocrats do not have a back bone for taking up for our rights and laws anymore..
None
You're kidding, right? Cutting a gas line isn't overt enough for you?
Yes, let's stand by and wait for the inevitable gunshot because enforcing the law would be to dangerous.
They have been trying this approach and in case you haven't noticed it's only emboldened these goons.
which makes it a law enforcement problem. "Yes, let's stand by and wait for the inevitable gunshot because enforcing the law would be to dangerous." Well we could try rounding up everyone who someone thinks might want to do that. Good luck with that.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Get Some more!
Not terrorists.
No, they are terrorists, plain and simple.
But the secessionist teabaggers see them as the true "patriots", just as they see US-sponsored murderers as freedom fighters.
and even Obama administration did not mind to attack the democratic demonstrators with tear gas , smoke and other means at their hands..
Over 50 percent of these attacks were illegal attack and phony arrest..
None
If you don't like a law, break it. You don't like a person, kill them. You don't like the way someone votes, intimidate them or threaten their children.
I know it's childish of me to say this, but maybe someone should post Coleman's address, or phone number on the Internet for the world to see and see how he likes it?
[DO NOT DO THAT ON THIS SITE. Anyone posting another individual's personal info on this site WILL BE BANNED-Sitemonitor]
2nd-amendment fetishizing people would sure not know what to think if they started getting castle doctrined. They'd of course sue. It's just a harmless prank, like toilet papering, but with explosive gas!
Come on, where are you? The guy says "like toilet papering but with explosive gas" and you don't have a youtube link?
Isn't it all people blowing themselves up with stunts? I think it'd be harder to find a video that didn't involve grievous bodily harm :p
And then you're supposed to engage more than your lizard brain and not say such things.
I blame it on the dumbing down of the population, since reagan. How'd that work out for you?
Is it the 21st century yet?
Wait. Did this article just post instructions on how to get to his house?
That's the way it hit me too. I think the google map should be taken down, but it's not my decision to make.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Why can't they put up directions to Cheney's house every time he says something?
his house is in. That's a sign of guilt if I ever saw one.
shredded 18 rooms worth of documents.
That is exactly what my first thought was. I don't see any reason for putting up a google map to Mr. Perriello’s home is in any way nessasary for this story.
Update: Looks like they deleted it. But I'd still like to know how it got there in the first place. Was it an embed from another story on another site, or did John think it added something to the story?
When I first clicked on C&L, the map wasn't on the front page, but when I clicked on the comments page, that was when I saw it. I'm curious how it got there too. It did have a link below it to view a larger map. So I don't know where it came from or how it got here. Anyway, I'm glad it's gone.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I'm glad they took it down as soon as they did. I was in my car on my way to Virginia to see if I could help when I noticed it was missing.
Lots of us on the left were aghast when Bush went into Iraq, but we didn't start cutting GOP Congressmen's relative's gas lines, damaging their offices, making threatening phone calls, call out racial epithets (OK, that's hard to do to a white man) or spit. Officials had better start condemning these vile acts and prosecuting these people when caught.
Other than we are not the kind of people to do that, we were scared shitless of doing anything to piss off the government. We had heard the stories of people getting in trouble for wearing the wrong t-shirts to bush's speeches.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
are passionate about our beliefs but are not vicious and hateful and even dangerous to other people including those we don't agree with.
...many of whom did set fire to buildings and scream "Kill the pigs!"
Oh wait. Those were outside agitators, a.k.a. informants.
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
We're talking about today...
At my age, it is like talking about today.
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
is certainly the domain of the right-wing. I sometimes jokingly wish there was a left-wing mccarthy that was able to purge the birchers from government and the media, but *sigh*.
... the opposable thumbs and brains are supposed to set us apart from the animals. Maybe because we evolved and they were created out of river mud.
I always thought it was the ability to reason that sets us apart from the 'lower' animals. Still works with what you said, I guess.
wrist pronation at the same time as the opposable thumbs. This allows us to use a club. Other primates cannot do this.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
You don't have to be a genius to figure out what they are up to, I know because I am no genius.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Declarations of humility often come from the best people.
I used to want to grow up and be a genius, but I found out how difficult that would be so I changed course.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I also found out being a genius is overrated. Not that I was ever one, but I was told by parents with overblown egos that I was. And it destroyed me when I found out I was actually quite stupid.
But then I found out that ignorance is bliss. And Jesus loves me no matter how dumb I get.
My bulb is dim also but I'm smart enough not to watch Fox , listen to Limbaugh or vote Republican , so it could be worse .
Compared to the average tea party activist you are.
I don't take much pride in that considering what I think about the mentality of the tea baggers, but I appreciate the sentament.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
but my cat is smarter than the average teapartier.
Dumb cat!
maybe his cat hasn't been confused lately.
yeah, like I'll believe *that* argument....
The Cons are grabbing at every little bit of cover they can for their 'fun'....
And it's worse than I thought. Threatening the children of congressmen? Despicable!
Hasa Diga Eebowai
And I wonder if the person or persons who did it are sitting back now enjoying seeing the excitement over what they did?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
We're just seeing the beginning of right wing domestic terrorism.
This is only the beginning. We are stating to see Propaganda of the Word being transformed into Propaganda of the Deed, and in ways that'll make it impossible for the enablers (rightist bloggers, Beck, Palin, et. al.) to back away from or spin.
We live in interesting times.
"May you live in interesting times." If I could find the witch doctor that laid that one on me...
me-oww!
It's threefold, actually.
"May you live in interesting times."
"May you get what you wish for."
"May you attract the attention of the powerful."
though it wasn't called by its true name -Terrorism- the right wing has been bombing clinics, intimidating and attacking minorities and women, and frequently using violence to 'make a point' or just to frighten people. Yes, they looove to scare (that is, terrorize) people. The basic Bully/Terrorist disposition.
And it is done at the instigation, funding and approval of the Repig party and their media agents.
Like so many 'real' (dark skinned) Terrorists, the republican right wing feels powerless and victimized, and all they can do is scream and howl and encourage the more violent idiots to enact violence against what they are TOLD is the source of their misery.
They'd never believe, even with mountains of evidence, or factutal proof, that their beloved Limbags and O'Rileys' and ex-governor-Palins' are their enemies. For decades these people have been training their idiot-followers to react violently to whoever they (the right-wing)point their dirty fingers at.
if we just did Medicare for all or something equally simple. The not too brights just couldn't wrap their little minds around this whole healthcare legislation.
????????????????????!
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Question the questioner.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Even more cause I'm dumb.
This I know.
by not going for the obvious and easiest fix, the democrats allowed the process to be highjacked by insurance companys and their lackies (read lobbyists). These lobbyists in turn (with the help of FOX) created, misinformed and terrorized the susceptable to the point where they created the Tea Partys and the "brilliants" became members.
It's an effect of the Dems allowing the conversation to be controlled by corporations and their fear mongers.
They shgouldn't have worn that 2,000 page bill. They were asking for it.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
that was a HOT 2000 page bill!
This process was controlled from beginning to end by special interest. The dumb were played like a fiddle. Now, some of the misinformed are violent, we know this.
But at what point are/were arrests going to be made? Was anyone arrested when they showed up to rallys carrying a weapon? No, we were told it was there right to do so.
If the government can't see what's being formented by FOX and their ilk, and then do something about it, then yes, I'll blame the government. It wasn't like we haven't seen this coming for, oh what has it been, a year or more.
would be for any agency of the government to do anything to Fox.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
allowing FOx to continue what they are doing, they won't stop until they have fomented a civil war. And sitting on the fence and doing nothing will only lead to things getting worse.
people can do and some are quite effective. Despite Glen Beck's marvelous ratings Fox has difficulty monetizing that because so many first tier advertisers wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. That could easily be expanded to the network as a whole. Let their advertisers know how you feel. It is effective. As long as Fox can make money doing it they will. They'll stop when they can't.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
when it is the viewers doing the complaining. My bet is that threats to advertising dollars won't be much of an impediment, because prior similar actions have had no impact whatsoever on their strategy and tactics. However, as a first step in a series of escalating measures designed to grsp and hold their attention and turn them into true believer, it has its role. A government crack down, though, doesn't need to be public. It can be as simple as a reading of the riot act, in private, to the movers and shakers in the company. If private measures don't work, then it's time for public enforcement measures. Let the viewer ship get as angry as they want: they are still only about 28%, and would probably fall apart into incoherent incompetence absent the coordinating hand of the propagandists who are manipulating the entire process from start to finish.
Fox and CNN, and the other propagandists, in general are the collective equivalents of the individual sociopath. Identical behaviors. Being that, and as can be seen thus far, they are incapable of placing meaningful restraints up themselves. They will only respond to those restraints which are placed upon them by agency of external authority or by the exigencies of events that they cannot avoid (such as immediate threats to their continued ability to operate{make money}). If they are not stopped, they will continue to incite to any level of violence, including civil war. There reaches a point where choices must be made.
Very good summation.
--->Fox is a counter-revolutionary escape valve, where frustration and anger is spent participating in the political process by shouting at the tv screen and at least voting for the candidates Fox promotes...sham democracy at its finest.
The real fight will be in the streets, and in the farmers feilds, and the wild areas of the land.
There may be men in the street, dressed in black.
If they assemble under the black flag, beware of broken windows and burned cop cars.
If they assemble under the Jolly Rodger, counter-revolutionary, beware!
If they fly the Gadston, All is well.
If the counter-revolutionarys bares a red flag, to bad for them. Same goes for those whos standard is that of a foreign nation.
Any person who flys the stars and stripes upside down is in distress, and good men ought to fly to their aid.
Any fink that trys to hide behind the american flag, forget it.
It isnt going to help your cause anymore.
Who know? Maybe america will be under a different standard someday...
...and this is the result.
have been averted if the president just wasn't so black too.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
This is domestic terrorism, plain and simple. The Tea Party has shown its true colors: they are terrorists.
and I hope to see news reports that the FBI and Homeland Security are arresting these domestic terrorists immediately. Our whole country is at risk. This hatred has been inside these people for years so it's spewing like a fire hose on a fire.
The right wing thinks they can control this fire hose, but it is already whipping about wildly & dangerously. The teabaggers have already started threatening 'their own' party.
Fact is, the followers don't really have any political understanding and beliefs. They just wanna make loud noises and hurt people. They've been trained to HATE anyone for any reason, and act on that hate. The violent rage is mostly directed at the left wing, but the crazies are starting to attack their Masters. The Wall Street and Insurance Bozos should be uneasy, because they will end up on the "Lists" right next to Democratic Politician's relatives.
a group into mob mindlessness. But they will find that once the mob comes to life, it is no longer subject to their control. The mob will just as readily turn on its creators as it will on the creators' intended victims.
saying colleagues voting for the bill are "not listening" to the people, bringing "armageddon," "destroying America" and "killing old people" it is hard to blame this on FOX or blogs.
I would remind even some people who comment here that while this issue does effect life or death matters, it is, after all, a political debate about insurance.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Listen to their shows on "FOX" for a while and it's easy to blame FOX. They have a responsibility of what is said, shown and done on their shows. So they are partly to blame.
is intended to be a factual statement
but elected officials on the floor of the House who use terms that got a doctor shot in Kansas are first on my list.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I don't disagree with part just the "hard to blame this on FOX" part.
is intended to be a factual statement
first. But I did not. George Wallace did not plant the bomb at the Birmingham church. Orval Faubus did not spit on little girls.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
for the right-wing.
Can you put that a different way that I might understand? I absolutely agree the voices of the higher ups are not making matters better, but the rest of your comment, I'm not sure about.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
When the people responsible for the outcome of the legislation are fanning the flames I would say they bear responsibility for the fire spreading regardless of who lit the match.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
No one lit a match ricky. They just cut his pipe. I didn't see any fire in the google streetview picture.
Absolutely! They are leading the parade as much as anyone else and like you said, this is about a healthcare law. What happens when we get into immigration? These folks are just getting started and the thing that gets them the most riled is just around the corner.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
looks like a good spot. When immigration reform is debated, let's not put together a bill 2,000 plus pages long and invite input from corporations that would benefit most from cheap labor, and drag it out for over a year all the while allowing the Right Wing crazy nutjobs fueled by FOX news to forment violence around the country.
For sure, if we did this, without doubt, hate crimes would spike across the country. And that's at a minimum.
A bill, a few pages long, along the lines of Grayson's proposal would work better, be harder to misconstrue, and lead to much less misrepresentation.
O.k. I'll leave it alone now.
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"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
eventually - even if no one agrees with me.
blaming the victim?
they have to attack someone for their opinions and legislation, they are attacking the wrong people. BillO, HANNITY AND LIMBAUGH WOULD BE ON MY LIST PLUS some of the right wing neocons in congress.
-just to 'fan the flames' of right wing/thug rage?
because, dontchaknow, the lib'ruls LIVE to mess with their heads and fill the Rightys with rage...not to help the country, like Grampy McCain and all those Rethugs in the Congress that are tripping over each other today to put blocks on hearings and fill the healthcare bill with frivoless amendments.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
evident (we've all seen it) that not much of anything was done to stop it.
but the propagandists play their role by relentlessly giving the nutcases in congress huge swathes of dedicated airtime in which to spread their poison, while at the same time, what is the airtime given to any voice of reason? crickets chirping. they go far, far out of their way to provide a forum for these guys, and are vital components of the entire picture.
CNN is reporting that at least 10 House Democrats have asked for extra security following threats to their person or property.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
are costing the taxpayers with their raggedy-assed threats, violence and bullshit.
It's shameful. But since you probably couldn't scrape up enough responsibility among that teabagging group of hideous mutant freaks to make one conscience, I'm sure white pride will be running through their veins. And they'll still bitch about how healthcare costs too much.
Once again, the irony (and stupidity) it BURNS...
me-oww!
It would be a tragedy if some lone nut with a rifle were to take his revenge on a DC guy.
It would be awesome if a big crowd tarred and feathered and ran out on a rail a DC guy, live on CNN.
It would be open rebellion if the cops tried to arrest or shoot down anyone that dared to tar and feather a DC guy.
What the fuc* is wrong with you?
FOX, CNNothers in MSM/Radioland. Freedom of speech and the press is protected. Incitement to violence and sedition are not protected activities. Fraud is not a protected activity. They are crimes, no matter who commits them. The Justice department needs to also look at these guys. this shit is not going to end so ling as the propaganda networks are doing everything they can to ignite and then fan the flames of unthinking mob violence.
While I agree, that will just agitate the mindless drones even more. I agree with an above post: arrest them and try them as terrorists. That will break up their little tea party in a hurry.
but it would also get the attention of the executives and the board room of these propaganda operations. Nothing would upset them more than upsetting their cash flow and profits. the threat of loss of their licensing and franchises, the threat of criminal prosecution, the prospect of gazillions in legal defense fees, the loss of autonomy because of Federal regulators and law enforcement making a huge presence in their operation, the inevitable hemoraging of advertising dollars would, I suspect, be a sobering prospect for the likes of Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and others.
can howl that the Terrorists are patriotic Americans exercising their Free Speech rights. They could be made into martyrs.
It is Murdoch and Limbaug and Ms. Bachmann who should be arrested.
Also known as Fox Lite and the C**ksucker News Network. People hurl CNN in my face when railing about the Liberal Media - until I point out the dreck that they're allowing out on the cables.
Clownactors Noise Network
I've been thinking about this lately.
Beck is free to say what ever he wants,and that's how it should be.If he wants to characterize Liberalism as a "cancer" well that's his right.If he want's to call Progressives "Marxists"?All power to him.
My own concern is repetition.
I have no problem with someone saying something I don't agree with.
But to say it over and over again is to "preach".
We learn by rote.
Is it okay for someone like beck or Limbaugh to submit their followers to this kind of repetition?Is this still freedom of speech,or something else entirely?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
But, there is a difference between opinion and false representations of journalistic integrity. The average FOX or CNN viewer is going to accept the deliberate lies, the meticulously crafted deceptions and what not as journalistic fact, as truthful reporting of real world situations. And...they are going to modify their thinking and behavior to accomodate what they are manipulated into believing is the truth.
Just as the individual sociopath cannot escape responsibility for his wrongs by saying, "I was only joking" when he get caught red-handed or called on a sociopathic act, neither can the collective sociopath, the organization, find excuse by calling their carefully premeditated, willful and knowing fraud and works of incitement mere "opinion". The fact is, much of this craziness that is happening and becoming more commonplace would never have happened, absent the prevasive propaganda background that works single-mindedly to convert that which is socially,legally and morally shameful into the accepted public "virtues".
It was not all that long ago that the kinds of things we are seeing today would have been unthinkable, when those who espouse the poison that is becoming today's norm would have been ashamed to crawl out from under the woodwork. their cause and their words and works would have remained hidden from public scrutiny fear of the certain condemnation that would have assailed them from all quarters. The only thing that has changed between then and now is the consolidation of a once diverse media and press into the grasp of the smallest handful of corporations, and those corporations' subsequent twisting of the mission of the press to serve corporate interests instead of the interests of the public or the interests of truth. There has been worked a patient and meticulously planned subversion of the system, the fruits of which efforts we see all about us today.
I would argue that it is an outcome that threatens the very foundation of free society, democratic or otherwise, because no free society can exist or survive for long once the control of mass consummed information is wrested from the people or those who serve the people. Indeed, of the free societies that fell into tyranny, the would be tyrants initiated initiated the fall by gaining control of the instruments of mass-consummed information.
What we are seeing is not mere "opinion", and the purveyors of the filth know it is not opinion. It is masterfully skilled and coordinated manipulation operation that is deployed against the People, and by extension, against the People's state. We are suicidally foolish if we continue to tolerate it.
JMO.
Sorry for the long delay in answering your thoughtful response.
What I am wondering is if there is any room for regulation concerning the gratuitous repetition of these kinds of hateful conjectures.I understand that Fox is simply re-enforcing what their viewers want to believe in the first place,but does that re-enforcement(through repetitious conditioning)fall safely under the banner of free speech?Should it?Or is there something more nefarious going on here that needs to be looked at and questioned?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Americans have not shot each other in massive numbers since 1868.
Its overdue. But, if we keep our heads, and keep talking, then everything ought to be ok.
You guys seem to spend alot of your time here, or at KOS, or at places like that.
Enlarge your mind, and check out these places;
http://www.batr.org/totalitariancollectivism/...
http://www.militiaradio.com/
http://www.tpuc.org/forum/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_F._Petti...
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
And good luck with that politics thing.
the vandalism of the Congresswoman from Arizona's office wasn't as bad as I thought. In light of everything that is coming out, it's now much *worse* than I thought...
I've never seen change without a fire
If you want to understand these tea party terrorist, you need only read John Dean's book, Conservatives Without a Conscious". It explains the mentality of these people and the people who lead them. The fact of the matter is, as Bill Clinton said in a speech, conservatives don't believe in representative democracy. These people look at the Presidency and other leadership positions as a divine right to them. The rest of us are to bend to their will.
The anger you see in the tea party terrorists is being fueled by the Limbaugh's, Beck's and Fox News's of the world, who have absolutely nothing in common with these people. The system these uninformed people are fighting to restore is the same system their masters benefit from and they lose under. Their anger is will continue to be fueled and that will only lead to more, and more virulent, violent acts. I expect in the near future, with all of the guns sold since Obama was elected, to see one of these morons trying to assasinate one of the Democratic elected officials, or even Obama or Biden.
This reminds me of the militia movement of the nineties, and the anti-civil rights movement of the sixties, and all radical right movements of the past 100 years. These people start out with minor vandalism, and when they are further marginalized because of these acts, the angrier they become, and the bigger the attacks become. What needs to happen at this moment in time is for conservative elected officials speak out stongly against these acts and to force their right wing talkers to pull back on their rhetoric and tell their listeners and viewers to cease and desist. I don't expect this to happen, because lets face it, the only way the Republicans can regain the power they so desperately seek is to basically destroy this nation with this highly charged anger, and we all know what follows misdirected anger, violence!
are the same people who bombed the black churches in the South, shot the Kent State students, fired canisters of mustard gas at one another in WWI, dropped A-bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
They will do anything, anything at all, no matter how vicious and vile, if their Masters tell them to.
And they'll be proud of their actions.
While your reading, check out the source for much of the book, Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians, posted in it's entirety on his web site at the University of Mannnitoba. Both give a good look into the mind of these zealots. As it is probably impossible to reason with these guys, the only approach is an emotional one, akin to soothing the savage beast. How one goes about that is a good question.
Though I live on the other side of the country from Viginia, I just sent Perriello $75, not only as a thank you for his support of the health care Bill, but to protest the Tea Party.
(I also sent a like amount to Betsy Markey and John Boccierri, two Blue Dogs who came out early - at great political risk - in support of HCR).
Since Perriello's district encompasses the U of Virginia, hopefully will turn out in November.
If you can send some money to Perriello, please do (I use ActBlue).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I just had an awful feeling. Earlier today I saw a rerun of a clip from Rachel's show last night about the group planning to bring their guns to DC. It was planned for April 19, the date that has a horrible history.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
well, and I saw that clip from Rachel's show just a little while ago. I'm kind of afraid for people at this point.
I've never seen change without a fire
I hope they get the president and his family out of town that day or even the whole week.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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I've never seen change without a fire
the terrorists' will be successful. And that will encourage them to further extremes.
They must be stood up to.
A repug president would have these crowds of radicals surrounded by the military, have tear gas disbursed,maybe even shoot a few.
Our Democratic President must think of something better.
Worked in China.
I forget, which communist country are we supposed to be turning into?
I fear it is the one run by criminals.
not a country, but an ancient policy;
http://www.batr.org/totalitariancollectivism/...
... 6 Minnesota politicians' homes defaced
Al-Qaeda... U.S. version.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Occasionally Fox News looks at the effects of its programming. Maybe this will be one and the "tone it down" memo will go out.
But probably not.
But probably not...
is intended to be a factual statement
Read the comments to this early local news report on the incident. Even in this largely conservative area, little support for what was done...
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/...
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Can someone remind me, again, what terrorism is?
Thanks.
ter·ror·ism
1. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
:-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
that you just described a government?
gov·ern·ment
1. The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.
2. The office, function, or authority of one who governs or of a governing body.
3. Exercise of authority in a political unit; rule.
4. The agency or apparatus through which an individual or a body that governs exercises authority and performs its functions.
5. A governing body or organization, as: a. The ruling political party or coalition of political parties in a parliamentary system. b. The cabinet in a parliamentary system. c. The persons who make up a governing body.
6. A system or policy by which a political unit is governed.
7. Management or administration of an organization, a business, or an institution.
8. Political science.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
This might be right up your alley?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Mebbe with KY Jelly...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
In An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, William Godwin posited that for an act to be virtuous, it has to have virtuous intent and a virtuous outcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnT7pT6zCcA&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
This guy is a terrorist. Has the FBI started their investigation yet?
And yes, I know that so many people like Coleman will scream that they're not terrorists, but that is precisely what they are. If you advocate or use violence and intimidation to make others agree to your viewpoint, then you are a terrorist. Not a patriot, not a "concerned citizen". A Terrorist.
Coleman himself should be charged with either Accessory Before The Fact or with Conspiracy to Commit Murder(or Attempted Murder).
Just my $0.02.
If you advocate or use violence and intimidation to make others agree to your viewpoint, then you are a statist.
If you advocate the overthrow of a bloodthirsty government of plutocrats and their wage slaves and pensioneers, then you are a freedom fighter.
Will this even make the nightly news?
After NBC Nightly News anti-health care reform theme last night, I doubt it.
...property owner shoots one of them in their trespassing, Un-American face.
Since obviously the Democratic House and Senate members are dealing with harassment and threats, I want to ask how all of you bloggers and Twitter users are doing. Everybody ok, no threats or harassment from Tea Party people I hope?
Those of you who know that I caregive for my mother probably don't know that she worries about my taking part in the Progressive Twitterverse... With all the examples of Tea Party violent tendencies out there, and especially my having been added to a Twitter Tea Party list of progressive "traitors," she's afraid my participation will put me at some sort of risk with the Tea Party freaks. I don't know what to tell her, I'm not stopping my tweeting...
I've never seen change without a fire
Westerly, RI.: He allegedly was opening a bulked to go downstairs into his basement and I believe the metal bulked caused a spark which ignited the gas vapors.
The gas company was found at fault, for his grievous burns, that prompted an extensive stay at Boston's burn hospital.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
these are the same douchebags who think John Wilkes Booth was an American hero.
The post said the cut gas line didn't expose the occupants to any immediate danger. Well when our outside gas line broke during the hurricane, the gas company red flagged our house and shut off the underground container. If any spark had happened at the cut in the line before then, the gas company said it would have been bad.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
the technically, just the broken/cut gas line itself posed no IMMEDiATE danger (a spark would have had to happen for the danger to start). So their journalistic integrity is intact. >/
I'm sorry, but we need to stop singling out "tea baggers" for the uptick in violence and racism in response to Democrats in Washington.
This crap was going on when Clinton was in office. Oklahoma City the most notorious incident.
THIS IS THE LUNATIC RIGHT, ALL of them, of which "tea baggers" are only the most unhinged faction. This is not simply a few nuts on the Right, THIS IS THE RIGHT.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
in the period of the Civil Rights Movement. The white power structure
condoned the violence through their silence as often as with their words.
The elected officialswho represent the right need to take the lead in putting a stop to condoning this mentality and force the opinion leaders (like FOX and radio commentators) to follow.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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