Right Wing Media: Bring on the Oath Keepers
The right wing noise machine is gearing up to promote the Oath Keepers as much as possible. I think this is actually a very good thing. The more crazy that get up there the better. Bill O'Reilly will do his part by having them appear on The Factor too.
O'REILLY: Is there one group in America right now that you guys believe is dangerous, is growing fast, and that the folks should know about?
MARK POTOK (editor, Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report): Well, let me give an example. I'm not going to say this group is dangerous and, you know, these people are going to blow up federal buildings -- that's clearly not true -- but there is a new major group called the Oath Keepers. It was started, if I recall, in February of last year. This -- it has grown fairly explosively. It's well over a thousand members. What's interesting about the group is it's composed mainly of military and law enforcement personnel, officers of the law. The thing about the group is what they say is, you know, "What we're all about is simply pledging allegiance -- or re-pledging our oaths to defend the Constitution," which of course is well and fine. But the reality about the group is that what it's really about is the fear that martial law is about to be imposed, that Americans are about to be herded into concentration camps, that foreign troops are going to be put down on American soil. The Oath Keepers says specifically, we will not obey these orders, we will refuse orders to put Americans into concentration camps. Now, is that dangerous? It seems to me the danger is that these are men and women, in the case of police officers, who are given a real power over the rest of us, sometimes the power of life and death. They make very important decisions. And if these men and women are animated by the idea that, you know, foreign forces are about to come into this country and put us under martial law and throw us all into concentration camps, I think there is a certain danger associated with that.
O'REILLY: All right. Well, it's certainly not rational.
POTOK: They're operating on the basis on crazy theories that may cause one of them to draw a gun one day.
O'REILLY: All right. You know what I'm going to do, Mr. Potok? Because it's a very interesting topic. I'm going to invite somebody from the Oath Keepers to come on the Factor tomorrow and give forth their point of view. I think it's a fascinating topic, and we appreciate your time very much.
David Neiwert has some really great posts up on C&L about the Oath Keepers since we are one of the first blogs to expose this group and what they believe in.
Their values and some of their members are very scary indeed. And they are linked to the Beck's 9/12 Project as well.
Oath Keepers in coalition with John Birch Society, 9/12 Project branch. Oath Keepers is listed as a member of Friends for Liberty, a coalition that, according to its website, includes the right-wing John Birch Society, the Spokane, Washington, branch of the Glenn Beck-associated 9/12 Project, and Vaccination Liberation, a group that claims as part of its mission to "reveal the myth that vaccines are necessary, safe and effective."
Sounds more like a nascent coup.
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are selling well thanks to the Toyota recall.
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How fast do they go? I want to be ready to hit the road fast when the FEMA camp collectors start heading my way.
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You can head up the NAFTA Highway to Canada. No off ramps, though. So they tell me.
Goes nowhere.
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"I think this is actually a very good thing. The more crazy that get up there the better."
You and me both. Give them all the coverage and face time possible. They are truly their own worst enemy.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Sounds like violation of Article 88, Article 133 and Article 92 and probably others of the UCMJ.
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Catch-22.
That's some catch, that Catch-22.
really sounds more like a combination of
mccarthyism and nazis.
not being military, could you list the the articles and the reason why they are in violation of them? Preferably with links to the actual UCMJ.
In my time in the Navy these fucking guys would have been dealt with very severely. And I mean severely. Long prison sentences. "We will not obey orders." Are you fucking kidding me? Are there orders that you refuse to obey? Certainly. But this is just conspiracy theory bullshit. FEMA Camps. Foreign Troops. Fucking lunatics. Disarm them and put them in the brig. Long prison terms and then dishonorably discharge their stupid asses.
There is one thing we never seem to have a shortage of in this country and that is crazy people.
These people definately sound totally unhinged and yes, possibly dangerous. What if they just think foreign troops have landed somewhere in the country and deside they should go into action? There are showing themselves to be unbalanced by even thinking there are FEMA camps that would be used as prisons. They aren't only unhinged, they are apparently uninformed.
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I belong to the U.S. Naval Institute. Their monthly magazine is called "Proceedings." Awhile back, in response to the Fort Hood incident, someone wrote an essay saying that all service members aboard installations should be armed, at all times. These "Oath Keepers" are a definite argument for just the opposite. Your question, "What if they just think foreign troops have landed somewhere in the country and decide they should go into action?" is the perfect argument against arming troops in garrison. As a former base security officer I can tell you that it was hard enough dealing with the few people that had illegal weapons.
... they should be armed JUST IN CASE hordes of heretofore hidden Muslim fanatics beam down and take out our military installations.
When the truth is, our bases are spread out for that very purpose. I mean, what are they expecting, tour buses full of jihadists? Skydiving brigades of the faithful dropping out of the sky one moonless night?
See Scene 5 at 3:30 in. Sorry I lack your skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJaADSMkzY&fe...
Scene 6, by the way, was scripted by C&L commenters.
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Of Red Dawn.
WOLVERINE!!!!
The first one (that I snuck into at age 14) brainwashed me pretty good! It took a prof. in college (yup, one of those damn liberal prof!) to question my(everybodys) anti-Red feelings.
So, I'm thinking this movie will also push some sort of silly sterotype/ possibility of being invaded by 'others'
....But, IF Cuba does paratroop into the Midwest I too will join the WOLVERINES!
Cue the Kabuki....
not a sky diver.
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show him the money!
Cue the Kabuki....
@AngryGus- So you're pretty much admitting you're retarded. That's pretty cool, no offense intended. Does it make you feel funny too? I mean like tingly and overly excited. I mean you're saying you're over it now right? Or maybe not? Wow interesting. Post anytime, you're fascinating.
Except that it appears to be, at least partially, a problem with law enforcement.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
... the gays, liberals, and brown people, these assclowns would be volunteering for guard duty.
These whack jobs would have made great Nazis .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
They'd be the first to volounteer. After all we know they love strong leaders and think that it's completely justifiable to kill people in order to acheive your goals.
Would have???
this vid is being recycled from months ago.
Is he less of a nutcase now?
Dyer's video is relevant because he is part of the 'movement' being discussed.
I imagine the video is up for those who might have missed it the first time it was posted. It's a reminder of what this post is all about.
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http://www.duncanbanner.com/local/local_story...
"An ex-military man has been arrested on charges of rape of a child and forcible sodomy.
Charles Alan Dyer, 29, of Marlow, was arrested Tuesday afternoon by Stephens County Sheriff’s deputies, said Sheriff Wayne McKinney. Dyer served in the United States Marines in Iraq.
McKinney said charges included first degree rape and two counts of forcible sodomy."
To some degree it matters who's in office, but it matters more how much pressure they're under from the public. - Noam Chomsky
Fionn mac Cumhaill?
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Sure it may seem like he broke the law, but who says the laws about child rape are constitutional? He has a gun, he can break any law he wants. Raping a child is easier than say , an adult.
Why don't you "Keep" the fuckin' MORONS and give us our country back!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
... they rail about big government, hidden socialists, and taking back 'their' country, but nonetheless believe we should all be worshipping/paying homage to Christ Jesus.
that these people won't blow up a Federal Bldg. Just give 'em time...
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---Southwest Airlines
Shouldn't the left be assembling a militia to counter this threat?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Pink.
Grateful Dead concert shirts. I guess they'll do...
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That'll do. Consider yourself conscripted.
I can turn into targets and assault with my wrist rocket.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
One brother wore blue,
One brother wore gray,
One brother went,
One brother stayed,
One brother's here,
One brother's there,
Oh, where shall I fight,
Oh, what shall I wear?
I'm gonna wear my tight blue pants
And my gray sport jacket
And stay at home with the girls.
Now, now, now,
I don't want to get to Gettysburg,
No, no, no, no,
I got a protest sign
And a bottle of wine
And my baby and I are gonna
Go, go, go, go.
Now, Grant and Lee
Don't mean nothin' to me
And fightin's nothin' but a bore.
I'll wear my tight blue pants
And my gray sport jacket
And to hell with the Civil War.
Jerry's army!
Cue the Kabuki....
- Do you think I can trade some stereo equipment for guns?
- Should I use Target or Wal-Mart to duplicate our training videos?
- Do we need oaths of allegiance, or just undercover feds to infiltrate the group?
that sounds like a good place to pick up weapons. If I had any food to trade...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Oh I was talking about paintball guns. You guys want to use real guns?
won't obscure the fact that they're still POS Fords...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Then you meant Pinto.
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but I think all production models had an open diff.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Tort so.
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I don't want any guns at all. What I want to do is be sure the uniforms are in the latest fashion colors. God, I would hate for the other side to be laughing at us for wearing last years colors. I hope you guys are okay with ruffles at the neck line.
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I say we wear kilts.
I'm not sure that's wise when you are fighting people who may demand that you squeal like a pig.
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REAL progressive militiamen wear kilts to air their pear.
Update: Sorry. Wrong enemy. As an Obamapologist let me just say this "war" thingy just doesn't roll off my tongue easily.
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I'm Scottish so I'm cool with kilts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlx4n_ibNZE&fe...
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Was it the lady in purple or the lady in the bra?
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but the wardrobe is nice too. Go to 1:05 in the clip.
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Oops sorry. I'm sounding as stupid as Chris Matthews did last night when he was a contestant on Jeopardy.
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push the button?
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He looked like he wished someone would just shoot him before the show was over. I doubt he will mention it on his show. Not a good ego booster for Mr. Ego.
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Guess I'll have to steal food to trade for ammo. That's tougher than stealing Blaupunkts these days.
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---Southwest Airlines
What are you, some trashy trailer woman from Wasilla?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
for anything of value. You don't really need one if you get the carcass over to Sarah's for carving before the game warden finds out.
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and he'll tow carcasses from North Pole to Wasilla all day and night behind his snow machine, you betcha.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Oaf Keekers?
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All of the morons and the psychos in this country have found a home , a place to belong , it's called the Republican party . Hallelujah !
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
No kidding! For some reason it has become just fine to display loaded guns, talk about refusing to take military orders and basically go around saying some pretty inflamatory things almost in defiance of law.
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I am listening to a panel at CPAC talk about national security and one speaker said we cannot give up liberty for security. Another said the terrorist don't hate us because of Gitmo, they hate us because of the statue of liberty. They hate our liberties.
Weren't these the same people who got all excited over the Patriot Act and said we'll give up anything if we can just be safe? I swear these people at this meeting are just as screwed up as these Oath keeper people.
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back to the French where it came from. It'd make a great place for a surrender ceremony.
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When he said that, I thought well hell, if that's the only problem let's send that old lady home.
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who needs some half naked French broad hanging around the harbor waiting for the ships to come in anyway.
I've always wondered about that "they hate us for our freedoms" thing. How does anyone actually know that? Did someone ask a terrorist and he said that? Was it on a questionnaire that one of them filled out? What? I mean this keeps getting tossed around and I'd like to know where in the hell it came from.
"Where are you going after jihad?"
a. Heaven, w/72 virgins
b. Guantanamo
c. Joliet
d. Disneyland
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---Southwest Airlines
e. The Wizarding World of Harry Potter (A Celebration of Satan!)
to clean that up enough to make a ride out of it. Just too much money to ignore.
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---Southwest Airlines
It's opening Spring 2010 at Univeral Orlando. Disney missing the Harry Potter boat except for the rights to air it on ABC and ABC family in edited format.
would miss the Holy Land Experience while kicking it in Kissimmee?
http://www.holylandexperience.com/
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---Southwest Airlines
I thought that place went out of business.
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TBN has a "Praise-a-thon" coming up next month:
http://www.holylandexperience.com/calendar/vi...
I suggest drinking heavily and smoke a lot of crack for a week before attending for maximum effect.
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---Southwest Airlines
We're a little low on booze at the megachurch.
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(Sorry guys...) But finding meth in FL is pretty tough--guess you must be well connected, no?
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---Southwest Airlines
Someone probably took a poll.
Why do you hate America?
A. Because of their freedoms
B. Because of their liberties
C. All of the above
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D. Republicans
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---Southwest Airlines
That's a given
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Americans have freedom? News to me... Free to die because they can't afford health care? Free to go to jail for smoking pot? Free to be ripped off by banks who foreclose? Free to be ripped off by credit card companies? Them freedoms?
Oh, I forgot, free to buy "arms", well that makes it all better then...
In my opinion and experience, it seems only too clear that most of these people are not patriots but rather complete dyed-in-the-wool nationalists who take love for one's country to an unhealthy and dysfunctional extreme. Just one of the many ways in which this is evident is their refusal to tolerate any criticism of this country or its policies -- in their eyes, virtually anything and everything we do is justifiable because We're The Good Guys and God Is On Our Side. (However, most ethical and rational people know that such sentiments have been used throughout history to rationalize all sorts of monstrous deeds -- and that anyone who uses, or worse yet believes, such sentiments is someone to avoid.) Since people like this refuse to accept the fact that we as a nation are not quite as good and noble as we paint ourselves to be -- that our foreign policy is in many respects very exploitative -- they find it easier to convince themselves that the terrorists simply hate our freedoms.
I find that a useful analogy for this scenario is a family which is refusing to deal with the fact that one or more people within it have become seriously dysfunctional and/or self-destructive (addictions, violent behavior, or what have you). Those people in the family who are still in denial regarding the problem will often verbally attack other family members who try to call attention to the problem and accuse them of betraying the family -- they may even try to blame these people for the family's problems instead of looking at the real cause. This is an example of family love taken to an unhealthy extreme, because sometimes truly caring about other people means pointing out the ways in which they're needlessly hurting everyone around them as well as themselves. Expand this analogy to a country rather than a family, and you have the difference between patriotism (love for one's country combined with awareness of its imperfections) and nationalism (blind, unquestioning devotion to one's country and an irrational refusal to acknowledge it as anything less than perfect).
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
O'REILLY: All right. Well,
it'sI'm certainly not rational.Another thing one of the CPAC speakers said was why would we try terrorists in court where we have to give them a lawyer. I guess he isn't aware that in the military system the accused have defense lawyers.
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Oath Keepers.
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The JAG lawyers might be the likes of Lindsey Graham.
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funny.
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It would be hubris to think humans-as we are now are God's chosen race
Run to the hills, run for your lives / Run to the hills, run for your lives /
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Happy TGIF
LuLu
Of all the rightwing loonies, the Oath Keepers seem the least dangerous at the moment. I assume we all would agree refusing to follow orders to put Americans in concentration camps and supporting foreign troops on American soil would be a "good thing." What is scary is that over a thousand (ok, that really isn't very many out of millions) military and law enforcement people think that such orders might actually be given. It is alway disconcerting to think society gives folks with such paranoid fantasies authority, fire arms, and training.
In the last few years, didn't the military lower its standards regarding who could enlist? Could that result in having some not so reliable minds in uniform with guns?
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Unfortunately.
Since military recruiters were having difficulty meeting their quotas in recent years (given that most people knew anyone who signed up stood a good chance of being shipped out either to Iraq or Afghanistan), the military relaxed some of its standards and started issuing waivers to people who:
* have not finished high school (the rate of incoming recruits with a high school diploma is now at 79%)
* have criminal offenses on their records (over 8,000 waivers were apparently issued in 2007 for new recruits who had committed crimes such as burglary, larceny, drug possession, and aggravated assault).
Disturbing? Definitely.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Bill O'Reilly Interviews Oath Keepers Founder Stewart Rhodes - 02/18/10
Study the symptoms not the virus...
According to the US Constitution, shouldn't they be called...
I'd peg these guys for the affirmation type.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I thought we got rid of the cavalry.
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For breakfast, right?
Got to have them in Texas, 'cause everyone's a millionaire.
... would it be a gunfight at the O.K. Corral?
(Even though, historically speaking, the fight took place down the street ...)
the Okie Chorale.
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One must wonder if Captain Crunch is the leader of the Oat Keepers.
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Must be way down on the list of ingredients, after BHT and FD&C Yellow #6.
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and Krusty's Krab patties aren't real.
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No wonder they call you Old Billy. Millionaire only meant something when Old Billy Sol Estes was selling fertilizer.
We's bazillionaires now.
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I had kippers with Hayward's pickled onions just this morning.
With an English cinnamin and raisen muffin with plenty of Robertson's orange marmelade washed down with two cups of tea.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
They still have the cavalry. They got rid of the horses. Traded them in for helicopters.
I love these redneck militia crazies. I guarantee you 95% of them who say they were former military were never in the military, and the 5% who were probably got kicked out as privates because they were s***bags. They're all a bunch of worthless wanna-bes and posers.
"We'll be the real heroes and defend America, the military can't because the Soldiers are scared of UCMJ!" LOL.
"The military is training in all kinds of cities all around America, the only explanation could be because they want to take our guns!!!" Must be some pretty top secret s***. I've been in a while and I've never heard of the US military taking over small American cities, or training to take weapons out of US citizen's hands. Wouldn't be a bad idea though - not to take everybody's guns, just the ones from the nutjobs involved in these movements.
I'd love to find out who the main guy was.
All this would be even more hilarious if the possibility of one of these idiots doing something really stupid wasn't so high.
... about their military credentials.
Stupid + guns = disaster.
In his book "A Rumour of War" which is about Viet Nam, Philip Caputo had a great comment. He said that a Marine Gunnery Sgt told him that anytime you put nineteen year old Americans together with high explosives and automatic weapons it was a recipe for disaster.
And do what? Fix their infrastructure, bring back Main St businesses, fix the potholes, pay the bills?
I say, Bring It On!
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---Southwest Airlines
...well, he is in prison on child ass-rape charges...
Cue the Kabuki....
Well, we could always hope they keep their oaths about as well as the "Promise keepers" keep their promises...
Right, Gov. Sanford? Sen. Ensign?
I've been a member of this group since 2002, not long after I stopped vaccinating my children AND my animals. Does this mean I am automatically right-wing?
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
Pox Populi Die?
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I would say it makes you a freeman/woman? :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I believe they should take into consideration... the Posse Comitatus Act.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
A spokesman for the Oath keepers was on O'Reilly last night and it appeared to me that Billo was acting like this guy was crazy and I think Billo may be on to something!The spokesman, who is an ex-paratrooper said (paraphrasing here)that a soldier doesn't have to obey direct orders if said soldier thought the order was unconstitutional and that also applied to the president even though Obama is the commander-in-chief!I didn't get it and apparently neither did O'Reilly! The guy was way out in center field and completely NUTZ!
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"I think this is actually a very good thing. The more crazy that get up there the better."
This is absolutely wrong. Crazy doesn't implode; crazy infects. There are tons of historical examples of the public being swept away by wild demagogues and accepting all sorts of horrifying results. There is no rational center of gravity, here: if you do not oppose these people, strongly, and with good rhetoric, they will win. You must face them blow for blow. Otherwise they win by default. People start to believe any kind of tomfoolery if they hear it long enough. Cf. WMDs in Iraq.
What's with all the republican ads all over this site???
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