I decided to research Mitt Romney's father. George Romney was a powerful industrial and political figure of his day.
Romney's family came from England, converted to Mormonism, came to America and quickly turned to plural marriage which led them to an unexpected exile and exodus to Mexico and then just as abruptly, they fled back to the USA to avoid a revolution.
It's an unexpected backstory to the "next in line" probable GOP nominee.
In this post I'll use information I found from the book by Tom Mahoney published in 1960 called 'The Story Of George Romney."
Mitt comes from a long line of Romney's that resided in England for generations and when an early Mormon missionary from America named Orson Hyde came to England to spread their word, Gaskell Romney and his wife Elizabeth converted in 1839. Soon after they boarded a boat to America. (pg 50)
He and his wife, who had been Elizabeth Gaskell, were attracted by a street meeting of Orson Hyde, one of the first Mormon missionaries to England, and in 1839 were baptized.
If you're not familiar with the Mormon religion, Joesph Smith, the founder, said he had vision as far back as 1820 in upstate New York and traveled West, where his flock finally ending up in Utah, led by Brigham Young after Smith was killed. After writing the Book of Mormon, Smith had a revelation which is known as Article 132 from the Mormon text called Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, a sort of addendum book to the Book of Mormon.
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
Smith explained why the Old Testament leaders had multiple wives and soon after "plural" marriage was practiced in the Mormon faith. It was kept pretty secret even from his own flock in the beginning because Smith knew the affect it might have on his community and after polygamy began to take shape it did have a dire effect on his group, but in 1852, Oliver Pratt, a Mormon apostle openly preached the merits of polygamy:
Polygamy was not openly practiced in the Mormon Church until 1852 when Orson Pratt, an apostle, made a public speech defending it as a tenet of the church. From 1852 until 1890, Mormon Church leaders preached and encouraged members, especially those in leadership positions, to marry additional wives.
In the 1850's the Republican Party deemed polygamy as disgraceful as slavery. FOX News also discussed Article 132 back in 2007.
Smith's revelation that God authorized polygamy — remains in Article 132 of the Church's doctrine and covenants. In addition, Mormon widowers who remarry today believe they will live in eternity with their multiple wives. Mormon genealogical records, among the most detailed and complete of any religion, show that two of Mitt Romney's great-great grandfathers, Miles Romney and Parley Pratt, had 12 wives each.
In 1862, Miles Romney, a son of Gaskell married Hannah Hood Hill in Salt Lake City and he began to practice plural marriage soon after. He had three wives while living in St. Johns, Arizona. Miles was a carpenter, contractor, builder and publisher of a weekly newspaper. All seemed well for the Romney's until Congress finally passed the Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act in the 1880's which made polygamy a felony after an earlier act that President Lincoln passed called the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862 was virtually ignored because Lincoln didn't want Utah involved in the Civil War. The Edmunds Act finally made the United States take a serious stance against polygamy. After the bill was passed, life for the Romney household took a rather bad turn. (pg. 51)
Overnight he was reduced from the leading citizen of the community to a hounded and hunted man. He and others in the same plight sought asylum in Mexico.
It's pretty confusing trying to track the Romney genealogy, but Mitt Romney's great-grandfather fled with his three wives to Mexico so they could continue their polygamist lifestyle with a multitude of other Mormon polygamists and settled there, cutting land deals with Mexican president, Porfirio Diaz using funds that came from The Mormon Church. President Diaz was happy to have the Mormon settlers there as a buffer against the Apache Indians. (pg.51)
With others, Helaman Pratt obtained permission from Diaz for Miles Park Romney and other Mormon refugees to buy lands and establish colonies in Mexico. Partly with funds advanced by the Church, they purchased large, mostly undeveloped tracts in Sonora and Chihuahua. Diaz was happy to have colonists there as buffers against the Apache Indians
Mitt Romney's father, George S. Romney was born in Mexico in the Colonia Dublan colony in 1907. It's not surprising that a Birther-type discussion was raised about George Romney either. (pg. 53)
As his parents had retained their American citizenship, experts on constitutional law believe his birth in Mexico is no bar to George Romney becoming a candidate for President regardless of the U.S. Constitution's clause: "No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible for the office of President." No court has interpreted this clause but children born abroad or at sea have been considered "natural-born" citizens for passports and other privileges. If astrology is to be believed, those born in July are receptive to new ideas and adapted to catering to public needs.
Life was very good for the polygamist colonists in Mexico until a civil war broke out there in 1911 and in 1912 as you might expect, their camps were targets for rebels because they had many guns and supplies they needed, raids of their colonies ensued even with Mexican assurances of their safety so many had to flee back to America.
As an expectant mother, Mrs. Romney was given a seat in a coach. With her were Miles, young George, who had just celebrated his fifth birthday, and Lawrence, his two-year-old brother; two of her sisters, Miss Amy Pratt, the schoolteacher, and Mrs. Verde Pratt Cardon, wife of Clarence Cardon, then a missionary in Paris, France. Ahead in a freight car were the older Romney boys, Maurice and Douglas. They were cheerful as they arrived in El Paso that afternoon. In all 2,300 Mormon refugees reached El Paso within three days, to become, in the later words of George Romney, "the first displaced persons of the twentieth century."
In 1890, The Mormon Church lost their case to the Supreme Court which upheld Edmunds-Tucker Act so Utah came out with their Manifesto soon afterward which condemned plural marriage:
The "1890 Manifesto", sometimes simply called "The Manifesto", is a statement which officially disavowed the continuing practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Issued by church president Wilford Woodruff in September 1890, the Manifesto was a response to mounting anti-polygamy pressure from the United States Congress, which by 1890 had disincorporated the church, escheated its assets to the U.S. federal government, and imprisoned many prominent polygamist Mormons. The Manifesto was a dramatic turning point in the history of the LDS Church. It officially prohibited church members from entering into any marriage prohibited by the law of the land, and made it possible for Utah to become a U.S. state. Nevertheless, even after the Manifesto the church quietly continued to perform a small number of plural marriages in the United States, Mexico, and Canada, thus necessitating a Second Manifesto during U.S. congressional hearings in 1904.
I've included this point about Utah's banning polygamy because it appears to be a purely political move even if many Mormons opposed polygamy and as the 2,300 Mormon polygamist refugees fled Mexico, leaving many of their belongings behind, it was the U.S. Government that helped bail them out of their dire situation. (pg. 60)
They had just twenty-five dollars, two suitcases and three bedrolls. Many families were installed in vacant tenements and several hundred were quartered in huge empty lumber sheds on Magoffin Avenue which the Long Lumber Company made available. The U.S. Army supplied rations and loaned tents from Fort Bliss. Mayor C. E. Kelly and city officials joined Church leaders in finding homes and jobs for the refugees. Congress voted $100,000 for their transportation and relief.
If you calculate $100,000 for inflation from 1912, the figure turns into over $2.2 million in 2011. That's a lot of government money to people who were basically felons in the eyes of the law. Another fascinating thing happened in 1938. Mexico paid out a huge settlement to those early Mexican colonies because of the revolution. (pg.61)
The colonists eventually in 1938 received from Mexico $2.65 for each $100 of loss during the revolutionary disorders. Gaskell Romney's losses were so great that he received enough to purchase a comfortable house in Salt Lake City in which he lived his last years.
It's odd that Mexico would repay monies to the Mormon polygamists after so many years, but one can still make the case that the Romney family was even funded in some part by the Mexican government. To get an idea of how vast the Romney family was because of its polygamist past, in 1922, George Romney had roughly 165 first cousins. (pg.68)
There's more in the Romney Family Files I'll post later.




Seriously. does this mean anything at all?
No, it doesn't.
Romney is antifreedom. He persecutes gays. He is a bigot. He is a hypocrite.
Yet he belongs to a cult that promotes multiple wives although they hide it very well.
Lew
Fighting the Christian American Taliban daily.
I first heard mention of this when Lawrence O'Donnell brought it up after Santorum's speech last night, noting it was a deliberate dig at Romney, as Ricky hopes to make each candidates' provenance a political issue.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
I was utterly amazed that the man I was reading about was the father of the man who has for the past 7 years has campaigned in attempting to become president. And, in all fairness to George Romney, his parents it has been determined were practicing monogamists, not buying into the idea of plural marriages.
As someone writes below: They consider Mitt is part of a cult that promotes multiple wives. Whether the LDS church - which Mitt is a member - is a cult or not can probably be thrown back & forth ad nauseum. I'm Catholic & there's a lot of made up 'theological' shit in our background as well. The LDS church does NOT promote polygamy; that is a break-away sect.
I can't stand the man; however bullshit doesn't work with me regardless of who throws it.
who earlier saved American Motors as CEO.His run for the Presidency ended
when he said America was "brainwashed" on Vietnam.
Where did his son go wrong?
Ed-words
He also helped coordinate and improve the output of Detroit's arsenal production during WWII.
George overhauled Michigan’s financial and revenue structure. He introduced Michigan's first state income tax, and expanded the size of state government. He believed in fiscal responsibility and 'the common good.' George briefly represented (the extinct) moderate Republicans against conservative Republican Barry Goldwater. He also marched for civil rights.
As governor, he had office hours on Thursday mornings when Michigan residents could stop by and talk with him for five minutes each. George was more interested the State of Michigan's welfare than the status of the GOP.
Mitt's dad would not be happy with his son's politics or the current GOP. And Mitt still occasionally tries to ride his dad's coat-tails.
Wall Street is just a parasite on the actual labor and investments of average Americans.
Banks play with futures, debt paper, complex financial instruments, and other peoples incomes.
Sell 'em short & help 'em crash - Tear 'em apart & sell the pieces
That does explain the silence.
Still, personally, if a man is crazy enough to have more than one wife - and a woman is crazy enough to want to share her husband - then more power to 'em. As it is, in UT the state is now footing the bill for most of the polygamists alternawives, since many are destitute on paper.
Frankly, I think the ban on polygamy is as a distasteful legislation of morality as the ban on same sex marriages.
is that it is often practiced in environments where the women do not have the opportunity to learn that there is a different way to live. They are not consenting adults because they are not fully aware of what they are consenting to.
They are wedded and bedded when they are still children. They are brainwashed as thoroughly as in any other cult.
They are wedded and bedded when they are still children. They are brainwashed as thoroughly as in any other cult.
YEAH! They need to be indoctrinated the modern way...with diamonds from Tiffany's!
"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns
that getting married will magically make all their problems disappear and give their lives meaning.
(yeah I'm not a big fan of the wedding brainwashing either)
and this is because the govt. is interfering with consensual activities between adults, if polygamy were not illegal then these children would not be hidden away; in other words, as with drugs, it is the illegality which causes the problems.
there are age of consent laws, both for sexual activity and marriage.
Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a religion outta my hat!
"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns
I heard JFK's father was a rum runner, that GHW Bush had some shady stuff in his past, Jefferson impregnated his slaves and I think Eisenhower had athlete's foot.
Who gives a shit.
Romney passed muster to qualify for the election. 'Nuff said. Judge him on his merits, his views and his policies. All this other stuff is just bullshit.
Dirty politics is dirty politics, no matter which side practices it. I prefer to criticise politicians based on their hypocrisies, like Newt spouting about family values.
"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns
I totally agree with this. I run further left than most Democrats and many Liberals do, but this whole "sins of the father" dirty campaigning on the part of bloggers on our end of the spectrum is disgraceful. Mitt has his own faults, and plenty of them for us to pick on. Let's concentrate on how bad he would be for our economy and environment...how inconsistent he is about health care policy...how out of touch HE is with Americans.
Let's have some principles here, people. Otherwise we're only justifying the tactics used by the other side. After all, 'Obama's father wasn't even American'...
He's Republican and a Mormon.
I already know his family tree is screwed up.
Polygamy comes with Mormonism.
You can't have one with out the other.
I wholeheartedly agree. It is the man's positions and policies, whatever they happen to be today, that will stand or fall on their own.
The man's religion is a bullshit topic, except, to my way of thinking, were it to be made a matter of public policy. Seems to me a very gray area, in that my personal faith very much does influence how I vote, how I speak, and how I behave... it is not a little toy to be brought out with the door closed and no one around...
If the man is sincere in his faith as a mainstream LDS, then his theologians have made it clear that they view the Constitution of the United States as Holy Scripture... If he is consistent (and yeah, this is Mittens we're talking about), then he will honor the "no religious test," and the other statements regarding philosophical liberty.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Except of course, all of the GOP candidates continue to throw it into the ring.
You don't think their religions have anything to do with eliminating a woman's right to choose? Contraception? Any form of abortion, regardless of the circumstances?
They all "preach" little government, but at the same time want more and more intrusion into our lives...via their religious beliefs.
Of course their beliefs, or at least their public pronouncements of such, however inconsistent and hypocritical they may be, will dictate how they do those things. However, and however much I really don't like Mr. Romney's politics, the ones that brought up his religion were not from the left, nor, really, from himself, but from his other klown kohorts on the Republican stage and their blogs and their screeds.
That the Romney family has an interesting history is a fun study for me, as a history buff, but criticism of the policies of his church, past or present, are as wrong-headed as they were against Jack Kennedy, and as unclear an indicator as expecting the devout Catholics on Fox to embrace the pronouncements of social justice, and I don't think they're big fans of Dorothy Day... and probably don't like any Pope later than Pius XII...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
if JFK's daddy, or GHW Bush, for example, had not been instrumental in allowing their kids to reach the presidency. But they were.
I think it is fascinating to read some of the very same posters, who complain about the "let's look forward not backwards" mantra of the current administration, to pretty much come forth making a case to look forward not backwards.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Not sure if that was to me... neither Joe K. nor GHWB were particularly religious in their public behavior, and the religious aspect arose due to the Birchers and those like them regarding Pres. Kennedy's faith path.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
As stories go.
And polygamy is forced upon women when they are very young.
I can argue that any child sent to a parochial school is forced into a religion.
For the record, I went to a parochial grammar school. Ursuline nuns. Then...Marist Brothers in high school...and...ok..hold on now...JESUITS in college.
And don't misunderstand, I'm not promoting polygamy. However, monogamy and all the other sexual mores imposed on us are all MAN created and societally created.
"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns
i argued from the first day they tried to teach me the baltimore catechism, i had to go along to get along, was not allowed to go to public school, but they never broke me............
in case you are interested, it was dominicans, the way it goes?
1- gestapo
2- jesuits
3- dominicans
all children should have to attend public schools, excuse me "government" schools, but what would you expect? universal public education being one of the ten points, must turn children into mindless socialist drones, must turn children into mindless socialist drones, must turn children into mindless socialist drones, must turn children into mindless socialist drones,
and if polygamy is forced on "women" when they are very young? then they aren't women, they are children, and their rapist should be prosecuted, religion gives no special dispensation.
Gotta say, though, that I highly respect the Jesuits' emphasis on higher education and embrace of scientific inquiry...
That and old St. Ignatius' Spiritual Exercises were pretty deep....
Aside from that, got nothin'... was taught by Holy Cross brothers at Notre Dame HS in LA.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
No more interesting that many-if not most-Italian families picked their children for certain vocations. I.E. If you were a certain male child born in particular numerical order,that child was chosen at birth to follow the priesthood. Cultural interest,and all that,eh?
the same fate for a girlchild who was sent to a 'nunnery'. Interesting,eh John?
Please don't forget "Lying for the Lord" in your research. Politicians and religous leaders in general seem to accept and practice dishonesty for the right "cause". The LDS maybe more so than most. With Mittens this won't be a bug... it's part of the kernal.
when you get your own planet full of virgins all ready to propagate, very l. ron hubbard, and the suicide bombers? all they get is a measly 70 virgins, what a gyp. i vote for mormonism, much more generous.
anyone who has scratched the surface of the history of cults knows these things, the plates, the hat, baptism of the dead, secret underwear (does that confer some sort of special powers?), mountain meadows and the white horse prophecy, looney tunes!!! but don't listen to me, i am a godless commie, remember?
why bring all this up? laws against plural marriage are archaic and should be repealed, freedom of association, freedom of conscience, and so on.
the mormons are about as whacked out as any other denomination. we don't want to get too critical, might open the door to telling the truth about some other religions, wouldn't want any chickens coming home to roost.
spillin' all the beans like that and you can expect a visit from the ghost of Ol' Port, The Avenging Angel. We don't fancy talk about The Meadows, magic hats, etc around heya.
...it will be the steadfast far right Christians who will shy away from voting for ANY Mormon or anybody who does not share their beliefs.
Left out a few facts. Joseph Smith was a notorious grifter, known for using seer stones to "find treasure" for his investors. During a period of religious revivals he was impressed by the ability of the preachers to raise money. So he wrote his own book of the bible using the repurposed seer stones to translate golden plates that no one else ever saw. He just threw in the polygamy bit because he was also a notorious pussy hound. This last trait ultimately led to his death at the hands of an outraged mob.
I'm not particularly a fan of Mormons (nor do I have any particular hatred for them), but in a country where every citizen has rights, in relation to this article I'm speaking about freedom of religion, I think it to be a pretty low blow to use someones religion against him. Apparently not to low for someone as horrible as Santorum (or any other Republican).
and how well do you think these "rights" will be respected under the administration of any of the fundamentalists currently driving the GOP? The question is not whether a candidate professes a religion but whether they will leave that religion out of their governance of the rest of us.
The state of Isreal is no different than Iran. I agree.
oops...no they dont
when Liberals have to go to the 'Mormanism is a cult' bullshit. Really? Really. Tell me how mormanism is any different than any other Religion. They all rely on supernatural events to tell their story. How is The Trinity any different than any other made-up fairy tale to get worshipers to give their money to a snakeoil salesman? Don't go there.
my comment from below. John Amato thinks it's 'interesting' that certain traditions of Mormonism might be icky. No more icky,I suppose than Italian families choosing which child at birth was to go into the priesthood or become a Nun. I guess it's all a cultural 'interest' and not a true condemnation of any Reglion.
Romney’s Advisors Are Leftist Elites
no such thing. Liberal elites, sure. But leftists are, by definition, advocates and members of the working class.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Pratt, one of the original apostles of the LDS. Jon Huntsman is also a descendant of Parley P. Pratt.
A family tree for Mitt is here:
http://www.wargs.com/political/romney.html
And one for Jon Hunstman is here:
http://www.wargs.com/political/huntsman.html
Parley P. Pratt was shot and killed in Arkansas while trying to court his 12th wife, the perpetrator was her legal husband who was not happy that his wife was planning to take their kids and go live polygamy with Pratt.
If anyone is interested, I've heard that Rock Center is going to have some interviews with Romneys who remained in Mexico. I wonder if they have any ties with the fundamentalist polygamist groups currently in Mexico (LeBarons, FLDS, etc.).
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Polygamy DOES still exist in the mainstream LDS church - they just practice it in the afterlife. These rotten to the core polygamist groups would not exist if the regular LDS church did not turn a blind eye to their doings. St. George, Utah, is regularly touted as a wonderful place to retire - yeah, if you don't mind all the Lost Boys running around - the young teenagers who are forced out of their polygamist homes so they don't compete with the elders for the young girls. These boys depend on the mainstream church for housing, jobs, and education. Their teachings are evil and one of the ways they keep growing into the mainstream is by promoting birth - Mormons are expected to have at least 4 kids.
miss skeptic
Creepy and true, to be sure. I try to be careful in differentiating between my fascination with the history of both the people and the doctrine and the past and current practice thereof... one's an academic exercise, the other's criminal, at least morally. (Nope, not a statement on the practice polygamy as such, but the behavior of the vicious toxic religionists and their apologists.)
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
You are mixing two different groups of people. The "Lost Boys" are not from the church that Romney belongs to. They are part of the Fundamentalist, ex-communicated (if they were ever members), twisted groups that practice polygamy. It is wrong. It is sad. It is not acceptable.
The people from the Waco tragedy called themselves Christians. Jim Jones called his suicide/murdered group Christians. They were cults in the true word. No sane person would condem "Christians" because of the twisted leaders who brought tragedy to their innocent followers.
Bella
Thanks for noting that garbage "birther" claims could have been launched far more justifiably against the grandfather of the Romney "boys" (all of whom are certainly old enough to have chosen to serve their country in ways in addition to helping their father become president).
If there were Democratic equivalents to the Tea Totalitarians, they could point out that Mitt Romney's grandparents were refugees from the U.S. of A. because they did not want to abide by U.S. laws -- but their did not dislike America to the point that they gave up their U.S. citizenship. And, as a result, Mitt Romney's father became, I believe, the first Mexican-American to seek the presidential nomination from a major party.
As far as I know, because Republicans then were far more rational than Republicans today, the fact that George Romney was born in Chihuaha rather than, say, Chicago (but with U.S. citizens as parents) was considered not much more than an inconsequential mild curiosity when George Romney was seeking the presidency.
But that was then, and this is now.
Indeed.
Unlike the bogus nostalgia of so many on the right for an idyllic time that never was, there truly was a time when there were men representing both major parties, and a few minor, that could honestly be referred to as statesmen. One might vigorously disagree with their policies, but there was a certain sanity to their demeanor. Hell, even Goldwater was a prince compared to a majority of the elected fools of today.
Just ruminating, I guess.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
So go Romney, go! Most of America will stay home in November and Obama will get re-elected in a landslide. Mormonism is a cult, and a weird one at that. Polygamy, give me a break. What else, they believe in aliens, and Jesus coming to the "united" states. What crap. Shittens is a loser, big time.
Is it the 21st century yet?
So what? I'm sure we all have ancestors who acted in ways that look appalling today. C&L should do better.
but he's not even close.
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, radio address, Oct. 26, 1939
These people "Baptise" people up to 200 years and more after they died; No matter what their Living Religion was.
You Can't just look at Baptism Records of Mormons and put them in to reality based Conclusions.
Donaldd
They get ''points'' for doing proxy baptisms. Youth come in busses and are given several names
for whom they are dunked. It is supposed to be family only...but since Mormons are all related
to each, I guess it is but a technicality. This is the one and only reason they are so
obsessed with genealogy...the proxy baptism. The God and Father of us is constantly
trying to make something good out of something bad...if only we are open to it.
So: Something bad like proxy baptism has produced the good and exciting hobby of
genealogy.
Richard
Iran is building a nuclear bomb, the world is on the edge of a financial collapse, our border is being crossed by drugs and drug dealers and who know who else.......and you are worried about how many wives Romney's great-grandfather had.
I have been a member of the same church as Romney's all my life and I am 70 years old. I have lived in 5 states and been an active member of 9 different congregations of the church. I have never known a polygamist, never heard talk of one, never knew anyone who wanted to be one, and if someone were to appear and advocate such, they would be ex-communicated from the church (kicked out-loss of membership).
I knew about Romney's father and his polical career. I am old enough to remember it. Romney's grandfather was not a polygamist. Yes, his great-grandfather was. He was from the generation that had 1 % of the church that practiced polygamy. When Utah became and state (it had been Mexican territory) and polygamy became illegal, the polygamist familes had to make a decision whether to break up their families and leave children they had fathered. They could break up their homes and stay in Utah or they could go to Mexican territory (Mexico, south of the border) and live out their lives and care for their wives and children. They were not allowed to continue the practice into the next generation...thus, Romney's grandfather was not a polygamist.
It is not unusual for church money to have helped them settle. They were in need just as the church takes care of their members today who are in need. As for coming out of Mexico years later...my own grandfather (not a Mormon) was in the military that went to Mexico to help escort the refugees out to safety.
What does this all have to do with over 100 years later, Romney running for President? That's like something I was reading the other day where someone posted that a Catholic could not be President because the Catholic church was responsible for destruction of the native culture that Cortez conquered.
Bella
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