Sen.Tester, the DREAM Act is not Amnesty.
Sen. Jon Tester, the Democratic senator from Montana who was elected in 2006 with significant help from progressives, was one of the Democrats who voted against the DREAM Act today, and it's very disappointing to see the lame rationale he provided yesterday via email.
Senator Jon Tester today released the following statement in advance of his vote against the DREAM Act:
“Illegal immigration is a critical problem facing our country, but amnesty is not the solution. I do not support legislation that provides a path to citizenship for anyone in this country illegally.”
The Senate is expected to vote on the DREAM Act Saturday. Tester voted against the measure in 2007.
C&L's managing editor, David Neiwert called Tester's office (Yes, we make the calls too) and confronted them over his idiocy and that is indeed his position.
Andrew Simpson wrote a piece called: The DREAM Act is Not Amnesty.
As members of Congress debate the DREAM Act once again, opponents of the act are again attacking the legislation as “backdoor amnesty.” Instead of allowing ourselves to be caught up in such broad rhetoric, we must understand that the DREAM Act is neither backdoor, nor is it amnesty.
Amnesty is defined as “a general pardon for offenses, esp. political offenses, against a government.” The Greek root of the word, amnestia, refers to the process of forgetting. An alternative definition of amnesty may, therefore, be “a forgetting and forgiveness of sins.” By such a definition, we can see the message of the gospel as one that grants us amnesty by Christ.
Regardless of where we differ on the benefits or demerits of amnesty, let us be thoughtful and discern enough to realize that the DREAM Act is not amnesty. Rather, it is an extension of grace to a very specific group of people who did not knowingly commit a crime against the United States.
If the DREAM Act passes this year, it would only provide a path to citizenship for those immigrants who meet a very strict set of requirements. The only immigrants who would be eligible would be those who came to the United States at the age of 15 or younger; have lived continuously in the United States since before 2005; were under the age of 30 on the date of enactment; demonstrate good moral character (i.e. prove they have not committed any crimes that would make them inadmissible to the country as determined by existing immigration law); and have graduated from high school, obtained a GED certificate, served in the military, or have been admitted to an institution of higher education in the United States...read on
Tester should actually read the bill instead of reciting Pat Buchanan talking points our way. And he could check out his own constituents and see what they can accomplish, like Carlos. If a state like Texas can pass a DREAM Act then what's Tester's problem?
The quality of Texas' future will be determined by our state's ability to educate the next generation of students. Fortunately, Texas has enacted important legislation that recognizes the contributions of all students. It's now time for Congress to follow suit. In 2001, Gov. Rick Perry signed House Bill 1403 into law after the bill passed the Senate with zero no votes. House Bill 1403 by former Rep. Rick Noriega, D-Houston, now called the Texas Dream Act, has proven to be an incredibly successful law providing access to higher education for students who may otherwise be unable to afford the increasing cost of attending college. Texas law currently provides that all students, regardless of immigration status, may qualify for in-state tuition at Texas colleges or universities provided they have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation and resided in Texas the year prior to their enrollment in higher education.
The Texas Dream Act thus recognizes that immigrant students who have been educated in our Texas public schools have strong family, community and economic ties to the U.S. The state then follows through on the investment taxpayers have made in their education by allowing them to pay the same tuition rate as other Texans who meet the residency timeline requirements. These students have been admitted to colleges and universities based on their merit and despite the many obstacles with which they are confronted — a principle every Texan can appreciate. The law is both successful and popular because it reduces dropouts, encourages access to college and comes at little expense to the state.
Dave N.: Even more troubling to me is Tester's rationale, particularly the second sentence in his statement:
I do not support legislation that provides a path to citizenship for anyone in this country illegally.
Really? Then, by definition, Senator, you support the deportation of 12 million people from our shores. Because realistically speaking, that's the only choice available. And we hope you've thought about what doing that would make this country look like -- not to mention the economic wreckage that would ensue.
Maybe, Senator, the problem is that this country has an economy that generates hundreds of thousands of unskilled-labor jobs every year (up until Republicans wrecked the economy, it was well north of 500,000) and yet issues only 5,000 green cards to cover them. Being a farmer and all, that's something you ought to know a little about. You should also know that a lot of your fellow farmers would prefer to be straight with the law -- but don't have a lot of choice, since farm labor is just about impossible to find outside the non-immigrant population, irrespective of wages.
It's a broken system, and you know it, Senator. But deporting 12 million people won't solve it. Indeed, the DREAM Act wouldn't solve it -- it would have at best simply ameliorated some of the more noxious aspects of the system's dysfunction. But at least it would have done that -- and given us some hope that the next Senate could begin the long hard work of fixing it. Now? Fuggedaboutit.
Badly played, Senator. And deeply disappointing.



at any wage.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
>:><
Is there any chance of volunteerism in something like the Peace Corp instead of just the military?
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Any groups designed to help people offends the bloodlust of right wing filth like the Republicans
Nah, we need cannon fodder for our illegal wars of aggression.
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
"Nah, we need cannon fodder" , which is the main reason ( one of a couple reasons ) that I am against this Dream Act , if they will serve our F'n military as fodder for their criminal invasions and occupations of foreign nations , OK , then maybe you can be on the short track to becoming a citizen , how convenient and how sickening and immoral is that ?
In our civil war?
Tester got elected on a redneck platform, and it really isn't surprising to see him take that road on this issue.
Don't know if y'all saw the coverage of the Dream Act vote on Telemundio, but it was heartbreaking. My Spanish is minimal, but the impact of this vote was so crushingly obvious that it didn't take much to understand the effect of this vote on the thousands of Hispanic kids who live in California and the rest of the southwest who know this country as their home, who have applied themselves to get into college, and now find themselves on the wrong side of folks like Tester.
I'm sure Tester has no problem hiring illegals to work on his ranch, wash his car, or dig ditches, but when it comes to actually admitting these folks into our society, all of a sudden he gets on a moral high horse. Sad.
Texass senators Cornyn, along with Kay BaileyHutchison, offered excuses as to why they voted against the DREAM Act. Like always with other repugs and excuses, Cornyn said he supports the "intent" of the bill.
One of the excuses Cornyn gave for voting against the DREAM Act was that the bill still allows "illegal immigrants with criminal records" to apply for and receive benefits.
This is in direct contrast to what I've heard. There are several conditions for these immigrants to apply for DREAM Act benefits. One requirement is that they do not have criminal records.
Even if Cornyn is correct, do you really think he would vote yes for this bill if the bill does not allow people with criminal records to apply for benefits? No, he would come up with other excuses.
I think the real reason repukes don't want this bill to pass is that they are afraid of the fact that by the year 2042 or so, Hispanics will become the majority race in this country, surpassing the rich white men who now run the country.
Besides, if Cornyn is so concerned about criminals getting benefits from the U.S. government, he really needs to look within the Republican party, members of which receive substantial income as well as benefits (e.g., healthcare).
I really am forced to ponder at what point, and under which circumstances, people like these chose to leave the human race.
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
revolves around a window of a few seconds before and after the cutting of the umbilical cord.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
... a retroactive offense. Let's see the Mayflower Society present the immigration forms their ancestors filled when entering the country via Plymouth. That alone should take care of a few tens of millions of illegal immigrants.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
ixnay:
Indeed! In terms of criminal culpability, the only difference between people like Senator Tester and the people at whom the DREAM Act is aimed is the number of generations between them and the generation that entered this land illegally. (That Sen. Tester was born on American soil is hardly something for which he can take credit.)
If culpability for illegal presence can be bestowed on the children of illegal immigrants, why not the grandchildren or the great grandchildren? Besides, the crimes of Tester's ancestors upon setting foot here greatly outweigh those potentially helped by the DREAM Act.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Not so brilliant, that would require an ex post fact law which is unconstitutional.
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Did you really think I was seriously advocating rounding up everyone whose ancestry could be traced back to an illegal immigrant?
Ex post facto? My words were ironic.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I know people who suggest such things with to much earnestness, although they will claim irony.
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... maybe we didn't use enough youtube links ;-)
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
and they are trying to make citizenship by birth to be dependent on the legal status of the parents. Regardless the constitutional issues with that stance, I think it would be great fun for hispanic organizations and call their bluff by extending the amount of generations that can be considered applicable for legality review.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
The people at whom the DREAM Act is aimed are people culpable for nothing. It's not merely that they took no knowing action against the U.S., they took no action at all. They were brought here by their parents, and know no other home.
I have reservations about the DREAM Act as a back-door draft, but again, I'll not deny a route to citizenship for such people, especially if getting into colleges and universities can be made a real possibility for them.
Personally, though, I would prefer outright amnesty.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
really?
ok...come to california, where both 4 year and community colleges are cutting back class sizes and turning away students...and raising tuition to boot...and tell that to the legal citizens of the state
outsourcing and insourcing are destroying america's middle class....and you people seem to have no problem with this
both you and the tea baggers are corporate sheep
And if you have to question it, you don't understand the full context of the issue. C'mon, Unca Joe...whatsamatta, nothing going on in good 'ol liberal Israel for you to bitch about?
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Kvetch.
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I wonder if he would be OK with cutting military aid to Israel in order to help save America's middle class from increased city college fees?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
You're conflating several different issues when the thread is just about one.
Amnesty is like a general pardon, although we might be able to quibble whether it includes an implied admission of wrong doing.
The Dream Bill requires certain action like getting a college degree, not an easy task unless you can get loans, and/or military enlistment.
That being said, the children of the non-documented could then presumably act as sponsors so their parents can either stay or return legally if they're deported.
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My comment from another thread:
IOKIYAR?
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
... why do you talk like one?
Again, another "you people" post. LOL.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
indoctrination and actually understand a word you wrote, John, as if he'd read it or anything like that.
me-oww!
we never hear anything negative about Murray or Cantwell untils re-election time?
take out a govt loan for college in an economy like this,...or join the military in order to become a citizen...
I would at least feel like I had done something wrong!
the requirements imposed...would make me feel sort of guilty I think. ...if I had lived here my whole life.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
I'm the one who got Tester elected. When he first ran I contributed to his election and I have no doubt that it was my money that took him into the end zone. Now, knowing that 40 votes is enough to deal with the senate I want my money back. and I am sorry to have laid this guy on society. Is Montana even really a legal state?
...amnesty.
and more like ransom?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kNwvIEQsg0
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If we took the entire population of Montana (974,989 in 2009)
and deported them what would happen?
What do they make/do in Montana besides ranching?
Los Angeles has 14.8 million (2010) for one city alone, why do
these redneck's get to call shots for the rest of us?
Go back to your sheep lil'Tester.
get fired up again and claim states rights again like they did with weed.
They could legalize illegal aliens just like they with Cannabis! (exept people!)
Immigrants would be required to get a doctors recommendation of course...
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Oscar: What's a DREAM Act MacIntosh?
MacIntosh: Lady Gaga and Groucho Marx playing Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. Why do you ask?
http://macintosh-and-oscar.com/2010/12/19/dre...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdZKCh6RsU
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I was afraid the Dream Act would require us to wear a condom during a wet-dream.
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At some point we progressives will finally figure out how the game is played, these conservative, cowardly Democrats spout progressive talking points they know will get them votes, and when in office, they play to type. Tester is from Montana, guess who else is from Montana, Max Baucus. We will continue to deserve the betrayals we're getting from Obama, Tester, and most other Democrats in congress because we choose our candidates by who the beltway pundits tell us can win and can't, and we let them create the reality of our political system we need to be creating for ourselves. Am I surprised Tester voted this way, along with five other so-called Democrats, hell no. It ought to be expected by now.
Latino voters blew this one.
Latino Vote Key to Winning in Some Midterm Races
Oct. 20, 2010
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/20/eve...
"Elections have consequences", as they say. Yes, I know they turned out in greater percentages in 2008 and Dems did gain seats in Congress because of it. But Dems only reached 57 seats in the Senate in 2008. And in a world where it takes 60 Senate votes to pass anything not directly related to the budget, you need at least 68 or so Democratic seats in the Senate to allow for the usual contrarians you find in any political party and still have 60 left over to finish the job. Like LBJ had. Despite the nominal Dem majority in the Senate over the past 4 years, they never had the full 60 votes plus a few spares required to get much, much better bills passed.
That's the voters' fault, not the Democratic Party's fault.
And in this midterm, Latino voters screwed themselves even more by staying home, not bothering to vote and thereby contributing to Republicans gaining seats in Congress instead of LOSING them as they so richly deserved. The consequence being we're not going to see anything like a DREAM Act passed for a long, long time.
You are telling me that our military doesn't know they are accepting illegals and they don't know it. Wow what a great security. For those dummies that think this is about people picking lettuce, well you need to learn what the real world is all about. I have seen what damage the illegals have done to our schools,health care, public assistance and to taking away jobs. We must secure our borders and send them home to fix their country.
Been everywhere, seen every instance of an "illegal" doing something (what, exactly?) to our schools and all, have ya? Busy little bee, aren't you?
Look, son...the key to halting the flow is to punish the businesses that hire undocumented workers and make the punishment harsh enough to deter others from committing the same crime. Until that is done, immigrants will cross here to get the jobs. And it isn't THEIR fault the employers won't pay a living wage to Americans; but they would be fools to ignore the offers of employment.
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