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In a nationally televised address to the American people on March 4, 1987, President Ronald Reagan admitted he had traded arms for hostages in the Iran-Contra scandal and declared, "This happened on my watch." Sadly, that may have been the last time a Republican leader took ownership of a disaster by simply acknowledging the calendar. After all, according to the Republicans' ever-malleable timelines, the Clinton economic boom came thanks to Ronald Reagan, President Bush inherited a recession and 9/11 from his Democratic predecessor, and the financial collapse in 2008 was the "Obama Bear Market." And now, the GOP's new math dictates, George W. Bush deserves the credit for killing Osama Bin Laden.

No doubt, the elimination of the Al Qaeda chieftain was the culmination of years of intelligence work and military asset building that spanned the Bush and Obama administrations. But while President Bush diverted resources from Afghanistan to Iraq, shuttered the CIA's Bin Laden unit and cancelled a 2005 U.S. special operations raid into Pakistan, it was Barack Obama who as promised tripled U.S. troop strength and repeatedly declared that "that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."

That's a far cry from President Bush declaration on March 13, 2002 - just six months after the carnage of 9/11 - that in the wake of the failure to capture Bin Laden in Tora Bora, "I truly am not that concerned about him."

Nevertheless, according to the latest Republican revisionist history, George W. Bush did everything but pull the trigger on Sunday. (More ironic still, Bush’s supporters accused President Obama of taking a “victory lap” after the death of Bin Laden, which occurred exactly 8 years to the day after Dubya appeared in a flight suit on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln to declare “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq.)

Despite virtually no evidence to support the claim, GOP torture enthusiasts like Peter King (R-NY) trumpeted that "We obtained that information through waterboarding." House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was just one of a legion of conservatives explaining that credit had one degree of separation, announcing "I commend President Obama who has followed the vigilance of President Bush in bringing bin Laden to justice." While Sarah Palin refused to even utter Obama’s name in crediting President Bush, right-wing billionaire sugar daddy David Koch complained that Obama “just made the decision, it was obvious where the guy is.” Donald Rumsfeld similarly praised his former boss:

"All of this was made possible by the relentless, sustained pressure on al Qaeda that the Bush administration initiated after 9/11 and that the Obama administration has wisely chosen to continue."

But if Republican mythology states that George W. Bush is responsible for apprehending the mastermind of 9/11, the attacks ten years ago were all Bill Clinton's fault.

That's an interesting charge, given President Bush's response to the CIA presenter of the infamous August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief:

"All right. You've covered your ass, now."

That would be the same PDB about which Condoleezza Rice explained to the 9/11 Commission, "I believe the title was, 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." And while National Security Advisor Rice protested in 2002 that "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would...try to use an airplane as a missile," counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke had anticipated exactly that. As it turned out, the plan he presented to Rice in January 2001 only became the subject of a national security "principals meeting" in the days just before September 11. (Bush, you'll recall, spent the previous month at his Crawford, Texas ranch agonizing about his policy on stem cell research which his adviser Karen Hughes described at the time as "the most important decision of your presidency.") It's no wonder Sandy Berger told Rice during the transition that "I believe that the Bush Administration will spend more time on terrorism generally, and on al-Qaeda specifically, than any other subject."

Nevertheless, conservative theology required that the 9/11 attacks which occurred eight months into the Bush presidency were entirely Bill Clinton's fault. Then die-hard conservative Andrew Sullivan summed up the tried but untrue talking point, claiming "[Clinton] was more responsible than anyone for the gaping holes in national security and intelligence that made Sept. 11 possible. The buck must stop with him." A national security disaster that spanned both administrations, in the telling of Bush Attorney General John Ashcroft to the 9/11 Commission in April 2004, belonged solely to one man:

"But the simple fact of September 11 is this: we did not know an attack was coming because for nearly a decade our government had blinded itself to its enemies. Our agents were isolated by government-imposed walls, handcuffed by government-imposed restrictions, and starved for basic information technology. The old national intelligence system in place on September 11 was destined to fail."

According to Republican calculus, Bill Clinton was also responsible for every calamity which befell the economy under George W. Bush. Given that Clinton presided over the creation of 23 million new jobs, the lowest unemployment in decades, robust economic growth and a balanced budget, that might seem like a dubious claim.

Dubious, that it, until conservatives clarify that the Clinton boom of the late 1990's was the result of the invisible hand of Ronald Reagan.

"Clinton was served up a booming economy on a silver platter," as one Townhall columnist put it, "thanks to former President Reagan and entrepreneurs like Bill Gates and Larry Ellison of Oracle." But it was Reagan bath-water drinkers Lawrence Kudlow and Stephen Moore who offered the GOP's revisionist history in its purest form on February 1, 2000. Almost 19 years after the supply-side tax cuts of 1981, Moore and Kudlow argued "it's the Reagan economy, stupid."

While the chattering heads in Washington are claiming that this expansion is sweet vindication for Clintonomics, they are wrong. Dead wrong. The politician most responsible for laying the groundwork for this prosperous era is not Bill Clinton, but Ronald Reagan...

It was Reagan's supply side economic ideas -- the policy of marginal rate tax cuts, a strong dollar, trade globalization (the Gipper started NAFTA with a U.S.-Canadian free trade agreement), deregulation of key industries like energy, financial services and transportation, and a re-armed military -- all of which unleashed a great wave of entrepreneurial-technological innovation that transformed and restructured the economy, resulting in a long boom prosperity that continues to throw off economic benefits to this day.

(Sadly for Reagan's hagiographers, the data suggest otherwise. As the historical record shows, from GDP growth and job creation to stock market performance and almost every indicator of the health of American capitalism that matters, the U.S. economy almost always does better under Democratic presidents.)

If Ronald Reagan gets the credit for Bill Clinton's economic successes, Clinton got the blame for George W. Bush's economic failures.

In March 2009, President Barack Obama rightly noted that, "by any measure, my administration has inherited a fiscal disaster." Former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer quickly protested Obama's "response to that trend [in his approval numbers] is to turn up the blame on George Bush and everything that came before him." That would be the same Ari Fleischer who just two days earlier defended his boss to MSNBC's Chris Matthews, describing "the recession of 2001, which we inherited."

Sadly for Fleischer and the other mythmakers of the Republican amen corner, President Bush did not inherit a recession from Bill Clinton. (He did, however, inherit a 4.2% unemployment rate and a federal budget surplus.) As I noted in January, the same National Bureau of Economic Research (NEBR) which officially declared the current recession began in December 2007 also concluded the previous downturn commenced during Bush's watch in March 2001. By the more traditional definition - two straight quarters of GDP decline - at no point was the economy in recession during the last year of the Clinton presidency.

Undeterred, the Republican Party and its echo chamber have for years continued to perpetuate the myth that President Bush "inherited a recession" from Bill Clinton. As Media Matters detailed, the sound bite was introduced before George W, Bush even took the oath of office. On December 3, 2000, Dick Cheney told Tim Russert "I think so" when asked if "we're on the front edge of a recession." Within days, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich ("the Bush-Cheney administration should be planning on having inherited a recession as the farewell gift from Clinton") and House Majority Leader Dick Armey ("this new president may inherit a recession") followed suit. By August 2002, Mitch Daniels, Bush's head of the Office of Management and Budget, announced on Fox News:

"He [Bush] inherited that recession from the previous administration. Case is closed."

Predictably, the drumbeat from the Bush team was reproduced with zero distortion from the always reliable media. While Fox News' Sean Hannity made the argument during the November 2002 mid-term election "this president -- you know and I know and everybody knows -- inherited a recession," CNN made the case for him two months earlier. On September 18th, 2002, CNN's John King announced, "That's why the president, in almost every speech, tries to remind voters he inherited a recession." Five days later, his colleague Suzanne Malveaux regurgitated the same line, reporting, "[Bush] took up that very issue earlier today, saying -- reminding voters that the administration inherited the recession."

To be sure, the Republican propaganda effort worked its magic. In 2004, pollster Geoff Garin showed that 62% of Americans believed the demonstrably false claim that an "economic recession actually began during Bill Clinton's administration, before George W. Bush took office."

As we fast forward to 2009, George W. Bush and his echo chamber continue to perpetuate the same myth. During his final press conference, President Bush sidestepped the fact he had presided over the worst eight-year economic performance in modern presidential history, insisting, "In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession. In the meantime there were 52 months of uninterrupted job growth." And on Thursday, his faithful flack Ari Fleischer regurgitated the same talking point:

"We've never in this country had 55 straight months of job creation. We had that under President Bush before the bank failures of September...You know, I think he came in with a recession, he left with a recession."

Months before Barack Obama was even elected President, conservative mouthpieces began propagating the "Obama Bear Market" myth, claiming that his supposed "socialism" would "tank the market." Now, with the Dow around 12,800, a gain of well over 50% since Obama took the oath of office, Republicans are predictably silent.

The first installment of the Republicans' "previsionist" history unsurprisingly came from CNBC host and former Reagan advisor Larry Kudlow. That right-wing water carrier, who in April 2008 compared the deepening recession to an enema (calling it "an economic cleansing" and crowing that "recessions are therapeutic"), blamed a one-day 242-point drop on the Democratic Convention:

"Are the Denver Dems downing the stock market today? The Dow is off 230 points, starting right from the get-go. So-called market analysts are blaming financials and the credit crunch as they always do. But there's more.

Obama and Biden gave us plenty of class warfare in their Springfield, Ill., get together on Saturday. Tax the rich. Redistribute income and wealth. Go after all those corporate meanies. Trade protection...

...With the Denver Dems strutting their stuff, this could be a bumpy week for stocks. Did anyone say free-market capitalism is the best path to prosperity?"

With Obama's election on November 4th, that warning shot turned into a barrage. Within 48 hours, the mullahs of right-wingistan didn't merely blame Obama for two days of market declines; they traveled back in time to lay the entire Bush recession at his feet.

Echoing CNBC's Kudlow, Dick Morris claimed the markets will "continue to tank...not just because he's a radical, not just because he's a Democrat, but because he's going to raise the capital gains tax. While Fox News' Gretchen Carlson announced, "there's a lot of feeling in the market not reacting very well to the election of Barack Obama," Fred Barnes proclaimed, "There is great uncertainty out there about [Obama's] policies." And that Thursday, the always execrable Rush Limbaugh on November 6, 2008 laid it all at Obama's feet:

"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen. Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression. He hasn't done anything yet but his ideas are killing the economy. His ideas are killing Wall Street...

...The market's down today because of the jobless numbers. That's how the Drive-Bys see it. Uhhhhh, we have the largest market plunge after an election in history. Thank you, man-child Barack Obama."

As the Dow Jones continued its slide below 7,000 in March, 2009, the conservative catcalls become a chorus. CNN's Lou Dobbs, the self-proclaimed "Mr. Independent," announced on March 9, 2009, "This is now the Obama bear market." That same day, the Wall Street Journal declared, "The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem." House Minority Leader John Boehner was among the Republican leaders bemoaning "the Obama economy" and insisted that since Obama's inauguration six weeks earlier, "Certainly the stock market hasn't acted very well." Later that month, the Journal's Daniel Henninger blasted Obama's "radical presidency":

"A Democratic Party that was always anti-Wall Street is becoming anti- Main Street."

The drumbeat hardly ended there. On March 8, 2009, Fox News host Chris Wallace asked an uncomfortable John McCain, "Can this now fairly be called the Obama bear market?" That propaganda only echoed the Republican talking points regurgitated two days earlier by Bloomberg in article titled, "'Obama Bear Market' Punishes Investors as Dow Slumps" and the Wall Street Journal rant, "Obama's Radicalism is Killing the Dow." On March 6th, Sean Hannity was nearly orgasmic as he trumpeted the declines on Wall Street:

And our headline this Friday night: Welcome to Day Number 46 of "Obama's Bear Market." Now, that's what some news organizations are calling it tonight as the Dow Jones industrial average actually finished up about 30 points today at the end of a disastrous week.

According to Bloomberg News, the Dow has now dropped faster during the first six weeks of the Obama administration than any other administration in at least 90 years. But is that a surprise after weeks of talking down the economy?

But then a funny thing happened on the way to the Obama poor house: the stock market started its steady, upward swing. But for the conservative commentariat, of course, credit for that progress did not go to President Obama.

On April 18, 2009, Fox News displayed an on-screen caption proclaiming, "Stocks Rally as 'Tea Party' Rallies Take Nation by Storm. Host Brenda Buttner described the surge on Wall Street as "a Tea Party rally." As Media Matters recounted:

Buttner later asked Bulls & Bears commentator Gary B. Smith: "[P]art of the tea party was having voices heard. For so long, all we were hearing about was nationalizing banks and socialism and all that. Just having this out there, does that help Wall Street? Does that help the bulls?" Smith responded: "Absolutely, Brenda. You know, first of all, you heard for so many weeks and months that, you know, the whole country, you know, Obama won overwhelmingly, and it looked like, you know, we were going to go lockstep down this, you know, this socialist path." He continued: "And then we started having these tea parties," which, according to Smith, "shows that ... the normal, average American is just kind of sick of all the, you know, the tax-and-spend culture." He concluded: "So, I think it's all a good thing, and I think that it's helped the rally."

But it was Neil Cavuto of the Fox Business Channel who takes the cake for trying to claim that, well, black is white. As the Dow soared past 10,000 last October, Cavuto asked:

What was once the Bush recession is now the Bush recovery?

And it hardly ends there. On his March 18, 2010 show, Larry Kudlow asked CNBC's Jim Cramer about his belief that "Obamacare will topple the stock market." Since then, the Dow has jumped another 2.1%. But with George W. Bush in the White House in April 2007, Kudlow expressed a different view of what the Wall Street's performance said about presidential leadership on the economy. Paul Krugman helpfully recalled Kudlow's words:

"I have long believed that stock markets are the best barometer of the health, wealth and security of a nation. And today's stock market message is an unmistakable vote of confidence for the president."

Unless, of course, the President is a Democrat.

And so it goes. With their magical calendar, Republicans turn Democratic triumphs into victories for the GOP and conservative fiascos into liberal ones. But the tendency to appropriate credit and deflect blame may go deeper. After all, in the wake of his Bay of Pigs disaster, John F. Kennedy addressed the nation to make clear the fault was his alone. "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan," Kennedy said, adding, "I am the responsible officer of the government." Asked 43 years later in the wake of his WMD debacle in Iraq and the Abu Ghraib scandal if he could name a single mistake he had made, Bin Laden's supposed killer George W. Bush responded:

"I'm sure something will pop into my head here...maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one."

Bush need not have worried. As his supporters are only too happy to claim, according to the Republicans' magic calendar, any mistake that occurred during his term was doubtless the fault of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.

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freeportguy's picture

Obama authorized the operation.

Had it gone wrong, GOP would taken 0% blame, turned it political and blamed it all on Obama during the upcoming Presidential campain (just ask Jimmy Carter).

Therefore, since the operation was a success, Obama can take credit!

pissed off patricia's picture

If bush was so good at hunting down Osama, why didn't he bring him in?

Maybe if bush and co. had taken stronger steps before 9-11 none of this would have been necessary. I think the bush administration was so busy trying to find some excuse to invade Iraq that they weren't hearing or seeing anything else, I find it very strange that they knew before hand Osama had something up his sleeve and yet even after 9-11 happened they still tried to make the country believe that Saddam had something to do with it. Cheney was on tv claiming that Saddam had met with al Qaeda in Iraq, The most important thing they felt they could do was use 9-11 and try to connect it with Saddam.

I do not believe the bush administration had anything to do with 9-11 but I do believe they were negligent with the information they had ahead of time.


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Paul the Sax Guy's picture

He had to wait for McCain who knew where he was and how to get him... since McCain didn't get elected, he wouldn't tell...


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surfjac's picture

...republican't BS lies or the segment of the American public that laps it up.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Rich H's picture

who believes all that crap, right Jack?

Jack Camwell's picture

Haha, I don't. I see you haven't really followed my arguments either. A couple of people here agreed with me that Democrats were partially to blame for the things that set us up for failure in the 90s (I believe mudshark was one of them).

I never said that Bush deserves all the credit. I said Obama deserves credit for his decision making, and the hard working men and women in the CIA and SEAL team 6 deserve most of the credit. It's fact that some of the intelligence obtained that led to OBL's death was obtained during the Bush administration.

I've said countless times that there is no evidence that suggests that valuable intel was obtained by waterboarding. I've reiterated probably a million times that I think waterboarding is torture, and that torture is never justified no matter the circumstances.

I have never apologized for Bush's economic decisions, and I have agreed that he made things way worse.

As for "Obamacare," (which I hate calling it that because it's childish to do so), although I thought it was funny that it contained a lot of John McCain's campaign promises, I'm not all doom and gloom about it. I've said that I've adopted a wait-and-see approach, much akin to FDR's approach to the Depression: bold, persistent, experimentation.

Hell, I've even defended Obama here, yet some of you still insist that I'm some arch conservative, fundamentalist wacko that watches Fox News and listens to Beck, O'Riley, and Limbaugh.

So have I dispelled any confusion as to whether or not I buy all this bullshit? Probably not, as I know that some of you don't read my posts very carefully anyway. I don't really blame you for desperately trying to lump me in with the moron Republicans. Many of you are extremely trigger-happy to paint any and all opposition as evil, ignorant, and amoral.

Edit: As for blaming 9/11 on the Clinton Administration, I don't think that's entirely fair. There were a lot of cuts to intelligence spending, and I was very good friends with some guys that were in the business itself during the 90's. They can attest to how hamstringed they felt. But I don't presume to know whose fault it was, because I'm man enough to admit that I can't possibly know all the facts. I'm sorry to say it, but none of you can know them either. Yes, there was a comission, but we're not privy to all the classified information that was in the findings of the comission. I don't necessarily blame Clinton for the intelligence cuts, as the world was a very different place then. The Cold War had just ended and we were trying to seek some normalcy.

Again, Captain Hindsight is the greatest super hero ever, ever.


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tampa_edski's picture

what? they shut down the CIA group tracking him and repeatedly said the "trail had gone cold". Bush said in 2002 that he didn't think OBL was important.

what intel could possibly be worth more than toilet paper from that sortr of effort/performace?


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Jack Camwell's picture

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906157/ns/world...

They discovered the courrier's actual identity in 2007. That was before Obama, right?

Without the courrier would this have happened? Maybe. But we'll never know for sure.

Edit for clarity: It was the courrier's location that led us to OBL. WIthout the courrier's real identity, we may not have discovered his location in 2009. If you're trying to give all the credit to either Bush or Obama, then you're ignoring facts.


"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946

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they'll have half of amerika believing that Obama Bin Laden killed Barack Hussein on 9-11.


Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

MacJr's picture

See H. awke ye's comment below.


Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

GOG's picture

"Victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan" JFK

Actually Reagan said "mistakes were made" (yes by you)

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R.I.P. Dr. Bruce Ivins
R.I.P. Mike Connell
R.I.P. Pat Tillman
R.I.P. Deborah Jeane Palfrey
R.I.P. Daniel Pearl
R.I.P. Dr. David Kelly

Victims of the narrative. Victims of the lie.


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ikalbertus's picture

The stock market recovery can be credited to the TParty rallies. I've got to pay a visit to the creation museum to learn more. Before I can become a true believer, I've got to do a memory purge of Richard Clarke's book. I still have some bad thoughts that the early Bush administration didn't really give a shit about Bin Laden despite Clarke's warnings. He must have been another disgruntled employee.

Taarak's picture

Post hoc, ergo prompter hoc.

Day follows night, therefore night caused day.

It makes sense to them.

Hawkeye's picture

"While Sarah Palin refused to even utter Obama’s name in crediting President Bush...."

Oh please!! Can't we put an end to this stupid nonsense? Isn't it past time to grow up and start thinking and talking like mature adults?

More power to Sarah Palin! She honored the people who REALLY did the job in terms of Osama bin Laden -- the Navy SEALS. Does this place and the people in it hate the military THAT MUCH that they can't give even a crumb of credit to those guys who put their lives on the line to do the job?

Heaven knows that I am no uniform worshiper. However, I do believe in giving credit where credit is due. And in my humble opinion, B. Hussein has nothing to strut around like a peacock about in this matter. Shoot, there is no record that I know of that states that he ever served in the military -- even the National Guard.

In I Cor 13, St. Paul says, "When I was a child, my speech, thinking, and reasoning were that of a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things." Good words to live by. And this stupid nonsense about Sarah Palin not referring to B. Hussein concerning bin Laden is childish to the nth degree!

miss_kitty's picture

'B. Hussein Obama,' 'Barak Hussein Obama,' 'B. Hussein?'

Get over it yourself. You consistantly use that Stormfront/White 'christian' Thug dog whistle. Maybe when you grab yourself up some maturity, your call for it will be more worthy of something other than derision.

Let me quote someone you are very close to:

In I Cor 13, St. Paul says, "When I was a child, my speech, thinking, and reasoning were that of a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things." Good words to live by.

"Good words to live by." Indeed. On that point, I agree with you.

Jack Camwell's picture

Palin was right to give credit to the SEALs, but she also made it a point to congratulate Bush and not Obama. That was dumb, seeing as how bin Laden wasn't caught during Bush's administration.

We won't know just how much of a hand Obama played in the whole thing beyond him giving the order, but it happened on his watch so he deserves some credit for it.

I don't, however, buy into this crap that we should be worshipping Obama for it, as you make a good point (one that I have made and been lambasted for) that it's the hard working people in the intelligence field and the Navy SEALs that did all the leg-work.


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luis stoole's picture

but he did give approval for an operation the breached the borders of a sovereign nation, and thus taking on the responsibility and ramifications of that decision as well as if the mission failed.
not only that, it was done in a way that limited the risk of civilian casualties as, up until this point, both bush and obama were using methods, drones and smart bombs, that i felt displayed a lack of concern for any people in the vicinity.

and beyond that, despite bush's initial declaration that any country harboring a terrorist was fair game, he changed his tune once we were in afghanistan and were faced with operatives crossing the border to hide out in pakistan. at that point, bush was no longer going to breach borders as now the terrorist harboring nation had sovereign rights, however, the plans for these strikes were drawn up during the bush admin.

regarding bush policies that may have assisted in this action, the intel on this came late in the game. bush had been using torture, black sites and guantanamo for a good six years. those were his policies, and from what has been produced over the newswire, it seems to me that all they derived was misleading information. as eavesdropping on the phone activities of foreign operatives was all ready happening without the patriot act, i can't give this to him either. all i can give him is that the cia acquired the name under his watch, but it was the cia that did it.

Jack Camwell's picture

It did come late in the game, but as I mentioned below, the CIA discovered the identity of the courrier, the one that led them to OBL, in 2007, before Obama took office.

I'm not trying to detract from Obama's decision making. It was a very bold and very tough decision to make.

And when I mention that it happened under Bush's administration, I don't mean to imply that his strategies worked, just that it happened during his administration. Similarly, it was the CIA that discovered the location of the courrier during Obama's administration. Honestly, none of us can say exactly what sort of policy or direction led to that, because that stuff is highly classified.

We can hypothesize about it, but we'll never know for sure. Anyone on C&L that says they do is seriously kidding themselves.


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luis stoole's picture

hypothesize and opine.
let's have a beer.

c&l post going on here? if there is, all i know about is this current thread.
i am having a beer.

Jack Camwell's picture

I'm not disagreeing with the overall opinion of this particular thread so I don't think it should get too messy.

I mean I'm sure someone is going to call me a dumbass for agreeing with them, or for making the crazy assumption that there's a lot of classified information that we'll never know about, but that seems to be par for the course at C&L.

A beer does sound nice, but alas I have none.


"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946

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Tax the Rich's picture

How did you get to us hating the military because Bush was incompetent and Obama suceeded where your moron conservatives couldn't?

Did someone forget to have their med's refilled?


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

perception is coming from, and i don't mean just you stating it as it is all over the yammerheads on the radio and the newsiness networks.

as president he gave authorization for the mission and assumed the responsibility of its failure and the ramifications that are surfacing for breaching the border of a sovereign nation with a military action. as president, he would also need to visit the 9-11 site as it adds diplomatic closure for the people of new york.

the military and the navy seals are getting tons of credit, but the individuals involved are being done privately for security purposes.

that being said, i don't understand why some people are acting as if he is strutting around like a peacock other than that they don't like the president to begin with.

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NMRon's picture

have been nothing but a drain on this nation and implacable enemies of democracy for a century. Their constant misdirection and outright lies (broadcast incessantly by their corporate media lackeys) is the only way they can keep from being killed in the streets.

smart bombs, drones, and/or lobbed missiles as i am tired of reading about collateral damage, i mean brutally killed civilian neighbors, getting blown to bits in attempts to get one bad guy.

so whoever made that decision, give him/her/them a new mercedes.

Mugsy's picture

Everything good that happens is all the doing of Republicans and their policies, but damned the luck. just never seems to happen WHILE they are in office.

As if some twisted hand of Murphy's Law keeps making sure that Republican's will always reap the "failures" of Democrats, while Democrats reap the rewards of Republican policies.

Just don't tell them that would mean Carter deserves credit for Reagan's success, or that Poppy Bush's failure was thanks to Reagan. That just doesn't fit the narrative they devised for themselves.


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fieldon13's picture

This shows me one major item, niw I know why the Republicans are so dead set against legalizing marijuana, they are getting the best weed for themselves. That's the only way to understand the way they think. Everything that haappened before he took office is Obama's fault, everything that happened during Bush's administration was either the President before or after's fault. Republicans are idiots and it is useless to argue with them.

Tax the Rich's picture

"Republicans are idiots and it is useless to argue with them."

Amen!

I am so sick of the GOP chronic stupidity schtick, that I often sarcastically tell them "you obviously need to vote for some more republicans, because you still have it too good."

They really have absolutely no critical thinking skills what-so-ever.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

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