The Far Right on the Assassination of Dr. George Tiller
By Josh Glasstetter Monday Jun 01, 2009 10:00am
Dr. George Tiller of Women's Health Care Services clinic in Wichita, Kansas was gunned down outside his church yesterday. Tiller had long been a top target of the anti-abortion movement because he performed medically necessary late-term abortions.
He faced down decades of harassment, threats and vandalism and went back to work after being shot in both arms by a radical “pro-life” activist in 1993. Just last month his clinic was severely damaged by vandals. Tiller probably suffered more than anyone else in recent decades to defend reproductive rights.
After news of the shooting broke, his antagonists came out to dance on his grave: Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, led protests against George Tiller's late-term abortion clinic in Wichita in 1991. Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue states,
"George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.
"Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches."
Other radical “pro-lifers” took to Twitter to gloat:
UPDATE... Doctor George Tiller was aborted today in his 204th trimester - aren't paybacks a bitch - Punch
oh HAPPY DAY! Tiller the baby killer is DEAD! - Samantha Pelch
George Tiller the baby killer was shot dead this morning. God bless the gunmen who hopefully won't be caught. - readnwatchchris, Creedmor. NC
And Frank Pavone of the so-called Priests for Life tried to muddy the waters and deflect blame for the killing:
I am saddened to hear of the killing of George Tiller. At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment.
Let us all remember that this tragedy comes just one month after O’Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, and gang went ballistic over a Homeland Security report concerning the potential for violence by right-wing extremists.
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I will be very short here.
Randall Terry is an evil and dangerous man himself. His words and justifications will tell you that he does not live by the words of Jesus Christ or God himself, yet he feels that he and his pals have the right to play God on earth.
Thus, I say that Mr. Randall Terry is a "Christian" Terrorist and so, too, are all the others whom share these views and think they can play God by deciding who lives or dies based on the Bible.
What ever happened to the good old ethical christian soldiers of days gone by?
I miss them.
http://www.lanecc.edu/archives/images/OH-Parn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdHbgFnJ06Q
I thought inherit the wind was when the guy next to you farted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs&fe...
You mean the Crusaders?
They weren't all that ethical really.
yes but they weren't terrorists. they were blessed by the Pope and on a mission from the one true God.
http://www.sevennationarmy.net/blog/?p=232
ROTFFLMAO you despicible moron read history you fool
southern man, did you click the link?
you have no idea what sarcasm is. I laid it on twice as thick the second time around and linked to a video featuring rats fighting a jihad.
sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAAzi92ZVM
http://www.voiceofthebelievers.com/crusades_p...
Have these radical pro-lifers declared as potential terrorists and place them on the no-fly list. If they were a Muslim charity, they'd already be on it.
Anti choice people like this are the best argument FOR abortion I have ever heard.
ECL62 is right. The right wing extremists in America have the same world veiw as extremists everywhere. There appears to be a strong correlation between organized religion and organized terrorism. The country has to do a lot more to seperate itself from organized religion of any sort.
The terrorists are gleefully identifying themselves, how can they be made to account?
Remember how the Right-Wingnuttosphere went ballistic over Terry Schiavo?
We need to be just as ballistic about this. We need to innundate our Congressional Representatives about these domestic terrorists. Hiding behind their religions is no more of an acceptable excuse for them than it is for any other religious extremists.
But because they claim to be members of the majority religion in this country, they are exempt from the law? Bull.
You think we're going to let the terrorists off the hook who train and recruit suicide bombers? I don't think so. We hold them accountable for what they do.
How is this any different? Terry and his fellow domestic terrorists recruit, brainwash and train their followers just as much those who send the suicide bombers out.
And just like the suicide bombers, Terry's idiot supporters never stop to think about how Terry retains the glory and money for himself, and how he'll never do the dirty deed himself. That's for the losers who, just like the suicide bombers, will let themselves be talked into the most horrible of crimes while the guy who does the talking uses them, and their crime, to get even richer and more powerful.
How much will this be worth in dollars and TV time for Terry?? A million? Two? And Terry knows it. He likes it. Look how his eyes sparkle and he has a hard time not looking gleeful even as he protests that he never would have thought someone would do such a thing. He's almost salivating.
Won't charge them for anything, then the next way to get them is to find some tort to sue them over. It's much easier to find someone liable of a tort (and make them pay up) than convict them of a crime.
The discovery of a hand written phone number in the terrorists car would indicate a terrorist cell is indeed involved here.
Maybe this will get the government's attention.
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with this horrible, reprehensible tragedy but sometimes humor helps.
Rush Limbaugh is on the radio right now giving diet advice. Right your own caption.
Sea-food diet?
I really needed that. I can't let the bile rise up in me the way it has risen up in him (is that one of Limbaugh's diet aids?).
Next he will be doing an anti drug ad
they are both culpable
All I can add is that this is domestic terrorism. I say send them to Gitmo. We may have to water-board them to prevent the next clinic bombing! (that's anger typing. I am not pro-torture even for these assholes).
(today its just the pot typing for me)
Hope you got the Twinkies handy.
The twinkies have me handy.
And like our favorite other thing to squeeze it spews white cream.
ys....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEBPzD3MPWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KrL0QLaCAk&fe...
All these Reslug terrorists that are celebrating his murder are truely sick fuckers.
Combined with their truly over the top character assassination of Sotomayor, every time they talk, they just make it even more clear exactly who they are.
And it is not a pretty sight.
Can they open their mouths so wide, that it flips over the back of their head, and swallows it?
"Law of God"
Take your violent god and shove him up your ass. Seriously.
Save a life. Speak out against religion!
But the doctor was killed at his church. The doctor was a religious man.
Don't speak out against religion. Speak out against what is wrong.
The lengths they'll go, and lack of scruples these terrorists have. They go on and on about God, yet don't even have the decency and respect to refrain from violating one of His commandments in His house.
You don't need a diety to be evil.
These are People of the Lie
http://books.google.com/books?id=hrdMD_ZoL8UC...
Human beings may not "need a deity to be evil," but the Christopaths have commandeered the language of god/Jesus in order to justify the killing of other human beings. A recent poll indicated that religious individuals supported torture more than non-religious persons. Similar polls have shown the religious support the death penalty.
Dr. Tiller's murder has been justified in the minds of religious extremists-- who are equal in every way to the Taliban.
I can only hope Randall Terry chokes on his spicy chicken wings.
When does life actually start? The answer to this question is not simply black or white or "at conception" as the anti-choice people --whom routinely go by the misnomer "pro-life" when they are anything but-- like to paint. Treating this question so simply really shows how little these folks know about the world and about life itself.
Furthermore, it never ceases to amaze me that the most anti-choice people are routinely men. No person, let alone a man, has any right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her uterus. This Randall Terry is just trying to find one of the most subversive ways he can to control a woman's life because I'm sure he thinks the end of the world will come if women aren't kept in their place and if they are allowed to make decisions concerning their own body.
These anti-choice people really don't care about life. They don't. If they did, they would care about what happens to a child after it is born by supporting public education, universal health care, and other programs that better the life of children. Furthermore, they wouldn't be congratulating a murderer who killed a man who was just doing his legally acceptable job. I find these anti-choice yahoos completely reprehensible, inauthentic, and the polar opposite of the purported Christian values.
Tradition has it in month five during the so-called period of quickening.
understood why they used the term "quickening" to begin with. Isn't pregnancy anything but quick?
Whenever I hear the word "quickening" my mind always goes to the Futurama episode where Kif gets knocked up.
I know, for me, I am still unsure when life really beings. It's such a heavily nuanced and enigmatic thing for me.
quickening is when you hold your sword in the air and lightening strikes it or something like that. Fetuses do that too?
That's why I come here. To learn.
inside the mother, when she can feel the fetus moving, etc.
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 12:00 — Lizzy Bennet
How do you explain calling morning traffic rush hour when nobody moves
42.
Beyond that why do you park on a driveway and drive on a parkway?
refered to when a woman first felt the movement of the baby. It's from the Middle Ages. They didn't think there was a soul in the baby until it quickened. Children born without full capacity or stillborn were thought to not be fully ensouled and therefore not fully human.
Women had abortions then too, just as they always have had.
In the 18th century, when anesthesia was first discovered, the archbishop of England was against using it for women in labor because it "robbed God of the rich earnest cries" of the women - who were still supposed to be working off Eve's debt.
Make no mistake, part of the whole anti-choice/pro-slavery movement is that they believe women should not have control over their bodies and should not escape the punishment that they believe an unwanted pregnancy is.
Fear, anger, judgement - their Old Testament God is one of wrath and vengeance.
I don't want them in charge of anything.
The deal with the late term abortions is that it's not done on a whim as the pro-life whackjobs would suggest. There's usually a reason for wanting the procedure such as the life of the mother is in jeopardy or the fetus is seriously deformed and nonviable.
but I decided to go on a cruise, so I'll just abort.
Some of them really believe that is what is happening. And that a dr. is saying, sure I'll help you out with that.
Late-term abortions are not just done on a whim. I want to say a lot of doctors won't even perform them unless there are medical complications with either the mother or the fetus. Late-term abortions are a very rare occurrence indeed.
You'd be correct. There are only 2 or 3 places NATIONWIDE that will perform a late term abortion.
I can not get my head to take in that people would actually be gleeful with this tragic, horrific, tragedy!!! I'm speechless. The Fundi thing was the impetus for my leaving 15yrs. ago.
raised in the Southern Baptist tradition, but somehow I was able to escape it. Now, I'm happily agnostic and anti-organized religion. The hypocrisy of the fellow "Christians" was the main reason why I left in the first place. Sanity and reason are the main reasons why I will never return.
I am finding myself pushed toward Atheism for these exact same things. I wasn't raised Christian, but dabbled in college. But the more hate I see from 'Christians in good standing', the more I question a God who would allow people to sully his name like that. And if he's not 'all powerful', then how is he really the 'god' we hear about.
Free will accounts for a lot. It is exactly what the "pro-lifers" don't want women to have.
I've thought a lot about this. Life in born people is usually identified by either a heartbeat or brain activity. So I think it could be argued that a fetus is a 'person' when it has a heartbeat or brain activity. I, personally, think that it is a person when it can live not attached to another person. I still don't know how anyone can argue that a fetus is a person from the moment that sperm meets egg on anything other than a religious feeling, which shouldn't be legislated. I wonder how the life-at-conception crowd feels about IVF, selecting of 'stronger' embryos, the freezing of embryos for later use, etc. Surely if you can't kill a person you shouldn't freeze them for your own convenience either. And what about women who tend to miscarry but still get pregnant multiple times in hopes of staying pregnant? If you get pregnant knowing you'll probably miscarry, that should be at least child endangerment.
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trittydi...
it's assassination
and all those calling for it (the murder of Dr. Tiller) and all those who perpetrated it need to be held to the rules of law in the U.S. of A. First degree murder counts for each and every single one of the bastards calling for his death. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them, hear that you fucktard BillO the Clown!!!
Silly Jesus freaks don't you know God Hates Us All:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6136zZq6I&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf6wZFMWJeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iJDtAqHO-s
These moral justifications of using the Bible and God to kill is not new in America. When I think of these "moral justification murders" I always think of the Manson family's justifications based on some kind of higher morality than the rest of us. Just as Randall Terry and these "Christian" Terrorists believe they can murder in the name of God, soo too, did the Manson Family think they could murder others as well, using the same rationales. Charles Manson used the Bible to jutify the murders of Sharon Tate and the LiBianca family. Manson had his followers as well.
I am serious here---the likes of Randall Terry and his fellow supporters, to me anyway, all fit the Manson Family profile, and, to a tee.
Yes - The Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists are ALL Sick, Sick, Sick.
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Remember, now, that the Manson family---Susan Atkins thought about cutting out Sharon Tate's baby....and you think that these people like Randall Terry have nothing in common with Charles Manson and his fellow killers?
Funny how the Manson family like these right-wing nutcases were all angry at Hollywood too.
These people like Randall Terry again are terrorists and have common pals like Charles Manson.
If they were sick, I might have some empathy. They are bad people. In their own parlance, they are "evil."
Since terrorists also target and kill civilians because of the views and policies that the civilians represent.
It's not just for angry male Muslims.
And their views just help to cement my reasoning for leaving the evangelical church (yes I know some of these people are Catholic, but that just means that if I'd been Catholic I would have left that church too).
As much as it is obvious to me that the murderer of Dr. Tiller was assisted by legions of right-wing nut cases and those who profit on them, I think we have to be consistent.
I am disgusted by comments on websites that take joy in Dr. Tiller's killing, but we have said before that we don't traffic in what semi-anonymous commenters write. Let's hold websites who refuse to remove comments accountable, but let's not turn into O'Reilly who would cherry-pick every violent comment from Daily Kos or Feministing.
I know it sounds concern-trollish, but Terry et al. have said enough that we don't need to pick up on the 14 year-olds and the disingenuous posters.
This is excellent ~~
How I (and Other "Pro-Life" Leaders) Contributed to Dr. Tiller's Murder
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Christanic terrorist simpathizers in the alt.impeach.bush Usenet forum were applauding this latest act of Christian terrorism.
According to Re-Thugs Ayers was a terrorist and that made Obama a terrorist.
By that measure - all of these people are terrorists.
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I just want to point out that if the terrorist assassin Scott Roeder had been Muslim, then his mosque would have been searched top to bottom, his imam would be facing RICO charges, and every contact on his cell phone would be sweating it out in jail for questioning.
because he is white and possibly a Christian, no one gives an ape's ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zy_1elMQxY
George Carlin said it best...
Site Monitors... this should be the music for tonight's Late Night Club... Carllin's bit about abortion from "Back in Town."
A Chinese proverb says that when, in an argument, one man starts to shout, he has lost the argument.
In a national debate, when one "side" (as if there were neatly divided "sides") resorts to violence and murder, they have nothing left to say.
I have had boisterous arguments with conservatives, some even in danger to coming to blows. But I have never even considered murder.
When the homosexual community had a political trick pulled on them, having rights "given" and then abruptly taken away, they protested, blogged, had ballot petitions and even sued.
When the homophobic community feels threatened, they pistol-whipped a teenaged boy, tied him to a fence and stoned him to death.
When pro-choice doctors are assaulted, threaten, firebombed & murdered, they hire extra security and live under threat of death.
When pro-life advocates feel threatened, they post addresses of abortion performers on their websites and unleash their attack dogs, both in the media and in Wichita
When pro-civil rights advocates want to enfranchise minority voters, they have registration drives & shuttle people to the polls.
When anti-civil rights bigots feel threatened by giving blacks the small part of Democracy called the single vote, they ride/drive around in sheets, burn crosses and lynch anyone they find.
Our response: Change the system
Their response: Mayhem
First rule of Project Mayhem is.... DO NOT TALK ABOUT PROJECT MAYHEM!
So, so true, Peabody. So well put
One small - but important - change to your post: the folks you refer to as "pro-life" are definitely NOT pro-life, they're anti-choice.
They are the people who are cheering Dr. Tiller's murder.
I also refuse to use their spun ID. They are domestic terrorists and NOT pro-life!!! They are antichoice. They think men/gov. 'should' dominate women and women should be forced to bear their babies.
This can be seen in what other positions they support. Pro-lifers would indicate that the murder of an abortion doctor would be just as immoral as abortion. They would also refuse to support the death penalty and war, as this also destroys life.
However, this is not what we tend to see in your standard abortion clinic picketer.
When asked if abortion is murder, many will agree enthusiastically. However, they won't commit to trying women who receive abortions for murder (doctors yes, but not the women. Perhaps they think us so twit-brained that we need to be protected from ourselves). They usually do not support education and free access to birth control. They also have no interest in what happens to the child after it is born, as evidenced by a lack of support for SCHIP, foster families, adoption services, child support, etc.
Anti-choicers are all about punishing the evil slut for daring to have sex. She shouldn't have birth control, she should be forced to live with the consequences of her action. You see this a lot in comments like, "If she had kept her knees shut, she wouldn't need an abortion" (as if she should be the lone carrier of shame. The man of course was seduced.).
all sense of reason and morality...they murder the "abortionist" and cheer on the war and the death penalty
Thanks for using the quotes on abortionist. Despite what the AP or the NY Times or whoever thinks, Dr. Tiller was a "physician" or a "gynecologist," not an "abortion doctor" nor an "abortionist". His concern was a woman's health, and he did much more than simply abortions.
and torture.
...............and proganda, and profiteering, rape, etc.
...............and proganda, and profiteering, rape, etc.
it seems these ultra religious fellers got themselves too much of that old time compassionate conservatism.
How can they be so heartless? I guess they believe every life is precious until it emerges from the womb.
"These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state." — George Carlin, 1996
I still love and miss George Carlin... he's right on with this explanation about these misogynistic, murdering terrorists; these sanctimonious, bible-thumping killers.
NeoNazicons love contoling people. Religion is anohter political system. All political systems exist to dominate and enforce their will on others!, and as we all know, they never attempt, or even consider contoling themselves.
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 11:47 — pissed off patricia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbIzePCJyUk
is another horrible person. Frank Pavone is also evil and a terrorist. It is time to start calling these people TERRORISTS, and not allow them the moral high ground here.
These people do not deserve any moral high ground. They hate mamy people and justify violence all the time.
It was not long ago when these same "Christians" used the AIDS epidemic to tell gay men, especially, that it was their punishment from God.
Go read the writings of Bishop Paul Loverde of Arlington, Virginia online and tell me this guy is not another hater. Loverde was one of 42 American Bishops who wrote university officials to deny Obama's speaking at Notre Dame. Loverde who wields much power as a Bishop ended girls being altar servers as one of his first moves as Bishop.
So, the hate of women in the Church goes all the way into girlhood with these Catholic priests and Bishops.
This hate of women by the clergy and many of their flock is a Christian disease.
Of course, the AOL comments are on fire with lots of Christian love. Like these gems:
A supposed Christian is using a word like "Karma".... hmmmm, sounds kind of new age to me.
Sadly, I hate to think any of those are followers of Jesus, but they might think they are.
I'm sure they're all "good Christians" in their minds.
And they all would've been at the front of the crowd throwing stones at Jesus had they lived back then.
(Sigh) So many Christians, so few lions.....
Here comes a guy talking about taking the power of salvation away from a few handful of men and offering everyday people a chance to directly communicate with God on a personal level.
On top of that, he was preaching love, peace and not an earthly kingdom, but rather a heavenly one.
......damned socialist, that Jesus.
Religious extremists and Fox News fatwas. Sectarian assasinations.
Just for the halibut:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU&fe...
http://www.alternet.org/sex/140363/%22weird%2...
" However, chances are everyone...has erotic and illicit fantasies, and does so on a normal basis. But rarely, if ever, do we want to talk about it."
Hmmm...mebbe I should start...
You could make a blog...about illicit fantasies.
I think it would go over well.
Oh but they surely wouldn't allow that on the internet...
This was a political act, terrorism, designed to both kill the central actor in that Wichita drama, and to strike fear into the hearts of other doctors, their staffs, and the patients who need the service.
of Jerry Falwell.
I shall turn capers when 'the Lord' calls Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson and James Dobson home, too.
What it all comes down to it seems is control. Control over the lives of others and in this case the deaths of others. No one legally has that control so they simply take it. If only this could have been prevented. The prevention has to begin somewhere and the last DSH report suggested doing that. Sadly too many scoffed and not enough listened.
MSNBC is doing a fair amount of coverage of this murder, has anyone seen any coverage of it on Fox?
O-bought-ma is said to be 'furious' - bet that means NOTHING! Just words, mouthed by a well-paid actor.
What would you like for the President to do, pick up a gun and go gunning for the accused?
Pretty awesome. President Obama donning combat gear and a Mk.17 rifle and going after these terrorists. I'd pay money to watch that.
You want justice? Then Obama should keep his mouth shut about this case so he doesn't foul the jury pool.
But then I don't think you care about that. Any chance to get a dig in, huh?
C'mon. He's not that well paid.
By hitting them in the only place it will make some difference... In their wallets.
Supporters of Domestic terrorists like these guys should be classed as terrorist organizations and ALL of their assets should be seized by the government, sold at auction and the proceeds used to pay restitution to the families of the victims.
...........the gov. should also eliminate these wackos as a 'legitimate charitable donation' for taxes.
We all know that rich, well-paid, fat, immature, white men do the funding.
Seemingly on the rise, now seems like a golden opportunity to start up a private security company focused on providing security for groups that become the target of Faux News hate speech. I know a few people ending their stint in the Army, I guess I ought to go see what's so great about this "capitalism"...
Even if only a handful get to read it...
samantha.belch@yahoo.com
You shouldn't have, seriously. That's not appropriate. We lose ground when we behave like the people we decry. Posting a person's personal e-mail in the comments section in order to have people write said person is exactly the thing for which we condemn the right wing. Aren't we above those base tactics?
Really wasn't that hard to find. She posted her vile comments on twitter. One didn't have to be Holmes to find it. I just saved the leg work. I could be Malkin and post her phone number and address but wont.
BTW...I don't see the mods rushing to take it down. They must be as offended as I.
In a footnote to the Supreme Court case "John Cleland's Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure" v. Attorney General of Massachusetts (No. 368)
349 Mass. 69, 206 N.E.2d 403, reversed. (1966), in a footnote by, I think, by Justice Potter Stewart, John George Haigh was refered to. He was a British "vampire" who claimed he killed from a blood lust engendered when he was a boy. The Plymouth Brethren church emphasis on how Christ shed blood for them, and his fixation on a bloodied Christ on a Cross supposedly was the source of his sanguinary fetishism. His defense didn't work and he was hanged. The reference in the Supreme Court case was to show we never know what will set off the mentally ill, although in Haigh's case (he was also called the Acid Bath Killer),it may have been to cop a plea.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_kil...
http://www.bookscans.com/Oddities/greenleaf.htm
So it would behoove us if these public pronouncements would be scaled back in intensity voluntarily, before we all pay for it in lost Free Speech. That wouldn't necessarily be an admission of fault, just common sense.
Way to go you crazy religious freaks....How do you live like that? And I bet you sleep like f**** babies at night, don't you?
You all make me sick.
I'm sure Jesus is very pleased that his church has been turned into a slaughterhouse.You sick twisted F*****s
Effing sad.
The discovery of a hand written phone number in the terrorists car would indicate a terrorist cell is indeed involved here.
Re: We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches."
Homes? Offices? Church? Oh really? There is such a thing as right to privacy in America, Mr. Terry, but I guarantee that under different circumstances (say, others protesting against your organization while you attend church), you would be the very first to whine and bitch about losing your rights under the Obama administration, just as many rightwing idiots have since he took office.
......is perfectly acceptable to these far right whack jobs, as long as it's done in the name of 'protecting the unborn'? I can only assume these same people are equally concerned about 'activist judges legislating from the bench' instead of simply enforcing the law. Wouldn't want them to do that, would we?
Anti-abortionists may be the most insane group around!
To all those who claim to be pro-life and concerened about the unborn child's "rights"... NONE of us as human beings, had anything whatsoever to do with our being born into this world.
We played no part in it at all. No say-so in being born.
I did not tell my parents to have me. No person at all can claim this.
Think about it.
And one other thing, Randall Terry, you so-called "Christian", thou shalt NOT KILL!
The one argument that always makes me laugh is, "How would you feel if your mother aborted you?" If my mother aborted me, I literally wouldn't care (how could I feel anything if I was aborted?)
Rights are a central issue in the abortion debate. First, does a non-organism with human cells have the same rights as a full-grown female? What if the rights of both clash? Why is it assumed that the rights of the fetus trump the rights of the adult forced to carry it? What if the female refuses to carry the fetus? What if the female chooses to drink, smoke, do drugs or whatever despite the effects it has on the fetus? This is why abortion must remain safe and legal: not only will abortions continue despite any law making it illegal, it opens up all sorts of doors for the oppression of women.
For those interested in seeing what abortion doctors go through, This Common Secret is an excellent book written by Dr. Susan Wicklund. She details a lot of what the protestors do, as well as many of the scarier stalkers and potential shooters. It's a gripping book and may lend a lot of perspective on what Dr. Tiller suffered at the hands of these people.
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