Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry, the most prominent anti-abortion activist in the country, appeared at the National Press Club today to defend his statement that slain Kansas physician Dr. George Tiller got what he deserved. People For the American Way was there with a camera.
Terry stunned his press club audience when he tried to deflect blame for the killing, which he referred to as a “setback for us on some levels”:
Terry: The point that must be emphasized over, and over, and over again: pro-life leaders and the pro-life movement are not responsible for George Tiller's death. George Tiller was a mass-murder and, horrifically, he reaped what he sowed.
Q: So who is responsible ... Terry: The man who shot him is responsible ...
Q: "... because that makes it sound like you were saying that he [Tiller] is responsible. Terry: The man who shot him is responsible.
Q: What did you mean by "he reaped what he sowed"?
Terry: He was a mass-murder. He sowed death. And then he reaped death in a horrifying way.
But here’s perhaps the most telling, and twisted, part of the whole spectacle. Terry, after referring to Tiller’s murder as a “teaching moment for what child-killing is really all about” and wrapping up the press conference, basically asked the crowd if someone wanted to buy him lunch:
Thank you for coming, unless there’s any other questions. [Off-Camera] And I truly am sorry that we had to meet under these circumstances. I like Guinness for those of you who want to have a beer somewhere. I prefer my chicken wings really hot and a little crispy.
His disregard for human life is both chilling and very telling.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Except I'd say he's a somewhat average specimen for the reich-wing.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The man is a classic example of a sociopath.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
to the sick, twisted rethugs who fall for this shit. Such a Kodak moment.
All these supporters need to bend over a sink. They are sick bastards.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Keep in mind, this is a prime examle of a "Pro-Life" activist.
God! do they even know the meaning of the words 'pro' and 'life'?
"Pro-Life" just means they want control over everyone else's life.
After that it's eveyone for themselves.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
suffer and die. They are the anthesis (sp) of pro-life!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
No.
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MOST DANGEROUS kind of asshole...
they are amoral and without conscience..
this guy will f#ck you daughter and stab
your wife and then claim it was your fault...
he seriously should be removed from the public..
his words make him as guilty as the gun shooter.
Sociopath.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
So this is what an American terrorist leader looks like. No turban, no gown, just a suit and tie, and fried chicken for dinner.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Spicy chicken wings. And Guinness.
Like I said on another thread here, the difference between the death penalty and abortion is only a matter of timing.
I hope he didn't work on Sunday because I would be required to stone him to death. After the chicken wings of course.
....nobody in the press laughed or tittered, nervously or no. This guy is twisted scum and there is nothing funny about him or his words.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Wait until he gets a taste of the chicken wings in hell, they are super hot and freakin' spicy.
Jesus, would this guy picnic in the graveyard? With a heart as cold as his, seems the beer would get chilled on the way down his throat.
Could he be any more callous?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I like my chicken wings hot and a little crispy too. But I'm not heartless and soulless, so Randal will just have to eat alone.
insane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDf0OATF-Iw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4zbm-QizPQ
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
with those of us who really do picnic in graveyards.
Oops sorry! I didn't know anyone did. Our of respect for the dead, taught to me at an early age by my dad who was an embalmer, I just never thought of the cemetery as a picnic spot.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Really.
I went up the hill to vidi Bruce Lee's grave, and there were a couple of other people up there, sunning and reading. It's a cool cemetery to hang out in.
me-oww!
perhaps the Terry family holds it's summer picnics at the grave of Terry Schiavo.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
isn't that the same cemetary where Jimi is buried? On the top of Capital Hill, Seattle?
I lived in North Seattle for quite a few years.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Charles Dickens used to picnic in graveyards, some cultures do it as well.
is a tourist attraction.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
graveyards too. Or even have their weddings in cemeteries, so long as they don't disturb the graves. :)
(I still have a local Latino culture mag with a photo spread from the wedding of Dolores Huerta's grandson. He and his wife are goths, so they had their Day of the Dead themed wedding in the oldest (dates back to the Civil War) cemetery in Kern County, and took their vows at the gravesite of a dear friend of theirs who passed away)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
While I was in London, I had lunch in the cafe of a church, St Martin's in the Field, that had a small diner in their crypt. The stones beneath our feet were the tombstones of those buried beneath.
It was a good lunch too of roasted chicken, good seared cabbage, and roast potatoes with the inevitable onion gravy.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If I'm not mistaken, they drink Guinness at room temperature so it chilling on the way down is probably a good thing. I hate warm beer.
I'll bet he insists those spicy wings come from the left wing of the chicken. They had it coming after offering up all their eggs to the dairy farmers.
You know what occurred to me as I heard him utter those words?
How much a buffalo chicken wing looks like an aborted fetus. The man really does have an obsession.
/craving fish tacos, personally
So this Christian minister regularly describes someone in language usually reserved for someone of Saddam Hussein's ilk and he doesn't believe he is encouraging someone to take justice into their own hands and kill him? Terry is somewhat lacking in both common sense and human compassion.
Terry is not even contrite! His only concern seems to be whether this act will cause people to realize how little the rabid factions of the "pro-life" movement really care for human life.
Terry is saying this guy deserved to die. But don't blame us even if the killer is as fanatical about abortion as we are.
Dr. Tiller did not break the law...
terry's words incite someone to break the law
and
they murder an innocent man.
terry IS the murderer.
He did no such thing that I know of. Tell me the difference:
1) “This man is a mass murderer.”
2) “This man deserves to rot in Hell.”
3) “This man deserves to die.”
4) “This man should be killed.”
5) “Kill this man.”
6) “I call on all Christian to commit murder – to save humanity – and end this man’s life, in the name of Christ – Amen.”
1-2 - and you are angry.
3-4 - and you are a little sick.
5-6 - and you have broken the law.
but here it goes....
1. I think Randal Terry is a scumbag;
2. I do not endorse the murder of Dr. Tiller; I condemn it
3. I am pro-choice as far as the first trimester goes.
However, I have serious ethical problems with third trimester abortions and anyone who performs them. Except for extremely RARE medical situations, there is no defensible reason for third trimester abortions IMHO.
I condemn the actions of the person who killed Dr. Tiller, but I'm not shedding any tears over the fact that he won't be around to perform any more third trimester abortions.
Not even to save the life of the mother?
Not even to spare her having to expel an already dead infant on her own?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Those are some of those rare medical exceptions I was talking about.
medical personnel get killed so that your beautiful wee mind doesn't have to deal with?
It is a medical FACT that a fetus enters the point of viability after the 21st week. No amount of ad hominum attacks against my "wee mind" changes this.
Except for RARE medical exceptions, I'm opposed to third trimester abortions for this fact-- Tell me....is there a difference between aborting an 8 month old fetus, or delivering it then strangling it to death?
It's this type of knee-jerk reactionary, unthinking pro-choice position that holds abortion to be ALWAYS OK even into the ninth month that allows fundamentalist whack jobs like Terry to paint anyone who is pro-choice, even for the early stages when over 80% of abortions are performed, as some type of a Hitlerian death fanatic.
I can't stand unthinking pro-choicers any more than I can stand crazy fundies who are opposed to ALL abortions for ANY reason, even in the case of an ectopic pregnancy. Both positions are the products of morally retarded minds.
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... regarding his record on performing third trimester abortions?
If you don't like ad hominem attacks, maybe you should lay off the red herring? It makes your poop stink really bad.
BTW, most if not all 3rd trimester abortions are carried out due to very specific constrains. It is not an operation of choice. No, you can not go to a planed parenthood, 8 months pregnant, and request an abortion just because. That is not how things work. And it would be a welcome change if you spend more than 5 minutes to educate yourself regarding the reality of a situation... you feel compelled to weigh in morally.
Alas, I got a chuckle about your projection regarding us "pro-choice reactionaries" and our knee-jerk reactions. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, you would not need to add a silly disclaimer to desperately seek any sort of moral higher ground for your view?
PS> Your stripes were showing from miles away, maybe you thought your silly disclaimer was fooling anyone. LOL.
"It is not an operation of choice."
OK, fine. If that's true, if every third trimester abortion Tiller performed was the result of medical necessity in which the mother's life was in danger, then we have no disagreement then, do we?
However, apply the same standard to yourself. Do YOU know enough about Dr. Tiller's practice to state with near 100% assurance that all third trimester abortions he performed were "medically necessary"?
Tiller broke no law and now he's dead. Your argument is beside the point and insinuates culpability on his part. So, in fact, you are engaged in an argumentum ad hominem.
See my comments below regarding my opposition to the death penalty. There's nothing irrational or ad hominem about my position on this issue.
Do you think the death penalty is wrong? If so, then why don't you advocate the killing of judges who sentence people to death? Do you advocate executing the executioners?
Nice try. The issue here is murder. They murdered a citizen to terrify others. You can prance around and wring your hands, but the substantive point you want to make--third trimester abortions raise complex ethical questions (the subtleties of which I would suggest elude you, and you should read more, say Gregg Easterbrook's excellent article "Brainwaves")--serves no function here other than to suggest that Tiller was on shaky ground.
He wasn't. He was following the law and they murdered him.
And if you want to wander into this comment section and call bullshit on me, fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you pale-faced mealy-mouthed mutherfucker. I've been thrown through a window by Operation Rescue freaks at a clinic defense in Compton, California. You have no cred except your oh-so-sensitive "conscience" and Tiller is fucking dead. DEAD.
Not the least of which is the issue of false convictions in death penalty cases.
Can't argue with the irrationality you've just displayed! Takes real balls to tell a person to "f*** off" on an anonymous forum, as opposed to doing it to their face.
Wow, what a man. You stay classy, Rupert!
Do you know what circular reasoning is? And please, he rode in on an ass. I read a comment earlier today about the "4th trimester," and that is when babies are most at risk. How can pro-lifers whine and cry about "innocent babies" and then not want to care for them after they are born?
You are the one making the accusations regarding Dr. Tiller's character. The burden of proof is on you, I am not surprised such a basic concept is completely foreign to you.
wee mind indeed...
YOU brought it up. Also, you never answered my question.
Is aborting an 8 month old fetus morally equivalent with strangling it after delivery?
I take it from your position you see no difference between the two. If that's the case, any info I'd be able to provide on Dr. Tiller would make no difference to you because you think it's OK in either case.
If you DON'T think the two are morally equivalent, then YOU'RE the one who needs to be asking about Dr. Tiller's character and asking for proof that all his third trimester procedures were a result of "medical necessity".
disingenuous debate technique in this thread?
In fact, I can't find a single post by you in this thread which does not use at least one or a combination of d hominem, strawmen, and a boat load of red herring arguments.
Dr. Tiller was a board certified surgeon, meaning he conducted his medical practice within the law. Said law is very clear regarding third semester abortions. However, going by that would completely dismantle your perceived moral higher ground regarding your attack on Dr. Tiller's character.
for anyone here, but what I know. I have been on this earth 50 years and I know of one case where a friend of mine had a late term abortion (I posted this on another thread). In her case the baby was anencephalic (no brain, incompatible with life), the baby also had severe spina bifida (spine open, spinal cord exposed) and many other gross organ deformities. She underwent the procedure and it was horrible, so horrible in fact that she never became pregnant again. People do not do this shit lightly AND, it is absolutely NO ONE and I do mean NO ONE's business except those directly involved.
The Kansas law concerning abortion is very specific about the viability of the fetus. Very simple search on google.
http://www.ppkm.org/PDFs/kline_case_Ks_law.pdf
Now, are you suggesting this board certified doctor was breaking the law?
Here's the point, ignorant people like you are the cause of this hate. Take the minimal amount of time to slightly educate yourself about the topic BEFORE you insert your foot in mouth.
It's ass hats like you that make up the Sunday morning press shows.
Who asked for your opinion??? What business is it of yours?? Maybe you might have something to say abt. it, if it were your wife/spouse, but otherwise please allow women the right to decide for themselves!!! Women's bodies are not subject to control by anyone other than themselves.
That is the real rub for white men. They think that the babies belong to them, and sorry, not true!! These Anti-Choice people can hardly stand that a mere woman (cow) could/would abort their creation.
He wasn't doing abortions for the fun of it, nobody does. There is much soul searching from the person seeking the procedure and the health care people involved. Unfortunately there is nothing but mindless stupidity from the anti-abortion crowd.
But did you stop to consider under what conditions of the patient was the doctor performing these third trimester abortions.
I'll tell you my own life story as relayed by my father. I am a first child. When my mother was pregnant with me, my father made a choice.
He insisted that the baby be delivered in a hospital not associated with any Catholic Diocese and by a non-Catholic doctor. Why? Very easy. This was 1958. If either my mother or I got into serious difficulty during the delivery, and a choice needed to be made...my father wanted to do his best to ensure that her life would be chosen over mine.
Am I bitter about it? No. Do I understand it? Yes.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
thanks for sharing that. I take it your dad or mom were also Catholic?
We're all Roman Catholics.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
it takes a lot of guts to take on the Catholic Church esp. back then. I admire your dad for being so protective of your mom and I'm glad everything turned out great!
My sister-in-law has told me that in the Jewish faith, the baby's life is NOT considered to be more important than the mothers.
My family and myself are atheists.
The Radical Right want to impose their beliefs on everyone else - They want to eliminate all abortions as an option and criminalize those that seek them out and perform them.
What's wrong with this picture?
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Dr. Tiller was performing a legal medical procedure and these psychos killed him. KILLED HIM.
You might not like it, but Tiller was a law-abiding citizen who preserved access to medical procedures that were entirely legal against an organized campaign run by religious fanatics.
Feel free to say what you like, but your condemnation of his murder, sine lachryma, rings hollow and suggests a tacit acceptance of what is fundamentally terrorism: the use of violence to instill fear to accomplish political goals outside the bounds of legal and civil discourse and process.
.... and you point being, what exactly?
you must be a white man
Win.
You were right. Should have gone with that first thought there, boyo.
me-oww!
... talk about wanting to have it both ways.
Dr. Tiller was performing a legal procedure. A procedure I'm opposed to, but legal nonetheless. It sounds like a cliche, but it's true that two wrongs don't make a right.
It's no more "having it both ways" than being opposed to the death penalty, which I am. Just like I believe it to be immoral for the state to murder a killer in my name, I also believe it wrong to murder a doctor who performs third trimester abortions. Murder is wrong, period.
did Dr. Tiller perform? And what were the circumstances?
Thanks.
I have no idea, and neither do you...unless you have some type of access to his confidential medical files.
My point is this. Third trimester abortions are wrong EXCEPT to save the life of the mother. I was merely stating the moral problems with late term abortion.
LOL.
No, you were implying that Dr. Tiller performed third trimester abortions.
Backpedaling with some half assed red herring argument, trying to use plausible deniability for your original comment, are sad and desperate IMHO. So maybe you should have taken your own advice, and indeed "maybe you should have not said that."
"No, you were implying that Dr. Tiller performed third trimester abortions."
He DID perform third trimester abortions. I'm not "implying" anything. Unless everything I've been hearing in the news is wrong.
And no, to anticipate your next smart-assed remark, I did not hear this on FOX. It's from the stories from the AP wires.
There are all sorts of restrictions on when one of these abortions may be performed. It is not on demand, there must be a medical reason and at least two opinions. Recently he had one of his operations reviewed and was found to have followed the letter of the law.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
third trimester abortions. He was a board certified surgeon, and that status meant he performed them under the legality of the law.
So, again, what exactly is your point?
You're talkin' to a wall, Tyler. No amount of reason will work.
Don't feed the trolls.
I've posted HUNDREDS of comments on Crookandliars, 95% of which generate little or no argument because I generally agree with the position this site takes on the issues. (Go ahead and click on my name and check out my past posts if you don't believe me).
I am pro-choice regarding the first trimester of pregnancy. However, I take one position questioning the ethics of third-trimester abortion, and I'm suddenly a "troll", I'm pro-Iraq War (I'm NOT), I'm a member of "Operation Rescue" (I'm NOT), I'm engaging in ad hominem attacks, supporting domestic terror, I'm told to f*** off, yadda yadda....
Whatever. I ask people to think of the rational consequences of third trimester abortions, and I get no rational responses. I won't confuse you anymore with the facts.
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 14:50 — Van
Argumentum ad Ignoracio.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
and using weapons that will cause birth defects in infants for the next two generations of children in Iraq....
Do you know that the weapons used in war today causes harmful birth defects in babies such as being born without limbs and severe breathing and eyesight problems as well as organ problems due to American made weapons. Dr. Helen Caldicott directly addresses these issues in her various books about the weapons now used in warfare and what devastating effects they have on infants not even conceived yet. I hear little from the "pro-life movement" on this issue.
When are you people in this so-called "pro-life movement" going to get going and address what harmful effects that the weapons used in war have on infants and prospective mothers, in places like Iraq and Sudan?
That's right....most of you pro-lifers support wars like Iraq and have no clue that the weapons used will have devastating effects on future fetuses.
Why do you assume the abortions he performed weren't medically necessary?
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By assuming the man was irresponsible about third trimester abortions - you show yourself to be every bit as ignorant and scary as these terrorists and their followers.
Why have you adopted Radical Right's explanation of this man and his work?
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loathsome human being
This is how the GOP thinks. This is how many right wingers think.
They are amoral and full of hate. They take pleasure in the suffering and deaths of others.
Classic Authoritarian personalities. They disapprove of thought, blindly obey their masters (even fictional ones like that invisible man who lives on a cloud somewhere), tend to be more hostile and violent then those who do not follow authoritarian patterns, and don't have a sense of human empathy.
Look up Bob Altemeyer's; Authoritarians. It's a publication of a forty year study on people like the man in the video.
They do not belong in government. Never again! They do not belong on TV.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
want people to suffer because pain, ignorance, and hopelessness brings people "into the flock".
want people to suffer because pain, ignorance, and hopelessness brings people "into the flock".
want people to suffer because pain, ignorance, and hopelessness brings people "into the flock".
This guy doesn't give a good shit about human life, fetuses or adults. He just saw an opening to champion a cause for some people for their beliefs and he goes right along with it. I'd like to know his financial worth. I'm guessing he lives pretty damned well off the ignorance of others and their donations.
Just for the record, a late term abortion is not done simply because the mother wants one. There must be a medical emergency and more than one opinion is necessary. No mother can say, I thought I wanted this baby but now that it's almost here, I've changed my mind. It doesn't work like that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
in a word, most guys like Terry are all about control.
And like Reagan talking about "welfare queens" they try to reduce an abortion to "cheap birth control", like these women were too stupid or lazy to take precautions, dumb broads.
These same folks want government out of their life, yet they stick their face into your private areas.
Control, money and power.
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This video sent a chill down my spine. This guy--and the movement he fronts--is truly callous and vindictive.
Or maybe just "evil" would suffice.
Evil works just fine.
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To me he appeared cold hearted to the point of being frightening. He showed no humanity what so ever. How about a word of kindness for Dr. Tiller's family. That would have at least been something.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Empathy and remorse are important. Terry doesn't even know what it is.
Aside from being a Domestic Terrorist - Terry is a Sociopath. They don't experience remorse and empathy because they are literally incapable of it. These are emotions they DO NOT even have.
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This person is a sociopath. He's one of many who have been allowed to take over the nation's dialog about important business. And then gone on to fuck up the lives of countless, to satisfy the much-removed-from-the-problem whims of a few.
me-oww!
As I have said over and over today on C&L, Randall Terry is nothing but a thug, a "Christian" Terrorist who has some jaded views on morality.
Randall Terry is nothing but a street thug in a suit who will never have to worry about becoming pregnant. Randall Terry has no right deciding who lives or dies, based on his view of God, the Bible, and "morality."
Where does this thug Randall Terry get off thinking that he can play God on earth? I mean Charles Manson at one time wanted to be the arbiter of who lived or died based on his interpretation of the Bible.
It is time to call these right-wing thugs by their proper name---they are nothing but Domestic Terrorists. Operation Rescue is a Terrorist Organization. Randall Terry is a Terrorist. People like him are also Terrorists. Again, let's not mince words and call them by their proper names---DOMESTIC "CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS!
Ya, terrorists come out of all the organized religions. There is a tendency for organized religion to 'take over', because that is in fact what the designers have in mind.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
People like Bill O'Liely and Sean Hannazi that give these Domestic terrorists air time and support should be rounded up along with these Christo-Fascist organizations and deposited in Gitmo along with the people they call terrorists!
Like it or not Tiller was not breaking the law!
Terry should take a look at the real mass murderers Bush and Cheney!
Why is it that most of these pro life "Christians" have no problem with the US killing over four thousand of our finest young men and women in a war against a country that did nothing to us? Where is the outrage about how those people illegally lied us into a war that was obviously all about oil? Where is the outrage for illegally torturing?
At least be mad at people who are actually breaking the law!
He's ten times worse than the people he demonizes. His cause is noble, preventing abortion. Abortions are not good but sometimes needed. But his methods, his followers and himself are not noble. The man and his followers are terrorist.
is intended to be a factual statement
These types of people would just find some other "cause" laced with hatred and violence, if it was not "fighting against abortion."
These people wrap up their hatred of women in this "fight against abortion."
Randall Terry and his ilk say the same stuff other cult killers have said in the past. Many of these people are frustrated with their own lives and need a cause to have any self-importance. Mr. Terry and his fellow travelers are violent, lack a real conscience even as it may seem to the gullible clergy that these people are "moral" and "holy" but aren't as their words and deeds PROVES. These people are dangerous and violent folks. They cover their hatred and penchant for violence behind their supposed "anti-abortion" views. These sick anti-women jerks just found another way, in their twisted minds to "justify" murder and violence.
Randall Terry is a thug and Terrorist, and would be a thug and Terrorist, with or without this "abortion" debate.
We have some real fanatics at our church. the trucks with bloody photos etc. The relentless hounding of the mothers who insist that they cover the graphic pictures so their kids won't have nightmares.
It's about control and getting attention. They feed on it. It could be any issue, but "saving babies" works so they picked that one.
Terrorists seem to always suppress females.
Organized religions seem to always suppress females.
To end terrorism, take religion back out of government. Unfortunately that means republicans must 'go'.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... if some men dealt with their issues by going to therapy. Rather than wanting to bring the whole world down with them.
Therapy, incidentally, it is much easier... and definitively cheaper (in terms of both, money and human lives).
I think Shining Path in Peru didn't. FALN didn't either. Also, Baader-Meinhoff.
But these were all crazazy ultra-left wingers, so they had other issues.
You know: staying out past curfew, returning the car without gas in it. Wait. That' s my teenage daughter. Nevermind.
These Sociopaths are Misogynists. Women are chattel to them and are not deserving of any rights whatsoever. Coultergeist herself said women should not even have the right to vote.
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Wow. It's like the bullets just appeared out of no-where, like a lightning bolt, or a sort of divine judgement on Tiller, and happened to kill him, and the dude who held the gun who was a well-known anti-choice protester with a criminal history was in no way associated with those bullets that just happened to come out of his gun when he just happened to go to Tiller's church.
No, this guy has it all wrong.
Dr. Tiller was not a mass-murderer. He saved women's lives. These are women who heard the horrible news in another doctor's office that the pregnancy they were carrying, that the life they were so looking forward to -- had gone completely off the rails. Maybe the baby wouldn't live more than a few, pain-filled days outside of the womb. Maybe it was dying a slow painful death in utero. Maybe it was already dead and rotting inside of them. The random hand of God's judgment was there in her womb, not in the surgeon's table of Dr. Tiller. The murder happened long before Dr. Tiller was called in on the case. No one swanned into Dr. Tiller's office at month 8 and announced she wanted to terminate because she wanted to fit into her bathing suit again. She came in scared, crying, and wishing to God she were anyplace else, that there was any hope at all of her baby living. Tiller was the man who helped these women, gave them a means of ending their pain, ending the pain of the baby they loved, and by terminating in a way that was safe, offering her a chance of trying again for a healthy baby, instead of following her baby to the grave. He made sure that husbands still had wives, and children still had mothers.
God bless that man for all of the lives he was able to save and all the families he was able to keep together. May he rest in peace.
Best post I've read about this insanity. Many thanks for that.
for your wonderful post. Nicely said.
George Bush? If Terry thinks that Dr. Tiller "got what he deserved b/c he performed 200+ LEGAL abortions," then what does George II deserve?? Afterall, his actions sent more than 4200 service men and women to their death!
MZ
Dubya holds the record for most inmates sent to execution, too.
Bush grew out of popping frogs.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
being the deaths of a few thousand US military personnel?
By most accounts, there have been from a few hundred thousand to a bit over a cool million Iraqi casualties since 2003. If you put both percentages on a per capita basis (casualty rate vs. population size). The 4K US casualties are so little that you need multiple decimal points to capture them. Whereas a few hundred thousand killed out of a population of a bit over 28 million people is a fairly significant percentage.
It is very disrespectful, IMHO, to completely ignore Iraqi casualties when referring to the people dead, so far, due to Bush's folly.
I think we should refer to the total casualty count, from both sides, so that Americans start getting an actual idea of the magnitude of this crime. Not holding my breath though...
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Yes, Tyler.....I agree 200%. It is rare to hear pundits mention the 100s of 1000s if not millions of Iraqi deaths and casualties. Were they any less human than the Americans who died and were injured?
This monster is hugely responsible for the Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism that batters this country and works to turn ordinary Americans - women and providers - into criminals and victims.
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These are the moments "pro-life" leaders are up against the wall, but they always seem to come out of it clean. They'll claim no responsibility whatsoever. Yet when it comes to musicians and sexual content and violence, they'll claim musicians play a part in the hyper-sexuality and violence in our culture. And to a certain degree, they are right, but only to a certain degree. When it comes to the murder of abortion doctors, they're hands are clean. Hypocrites. If there was a time to boycott O'Reilly advertisers, the time is now. Let's see how he cowardly crawls out of this one.
we need to start calling all of them by their peoper names so they cannot come out of it clean from here on out----
These people are DOMESTIC "CHRISTIAN" TERRORISTS....All of them whom promote and justify this kind of harassment, intimidation, and coercion.
This is not a time to listen to the clergy who have promoted anti-women activities and the sabotage of women's clinics around the country. It is time now to call out all those clergy by name who have contributed to anti-women violence at these women's centers and clinics.
The murder of Dr. Tiller was not an isolated incident but one induced and supported by the clergy of Christian Fundamentalists and the Conference of Catholic Bishops and Cardinals, who continually justify attacking these women's clinics.
Again, we need to be tough on this one and not cede the "moral" ground to these violent clergy and their minions who do such heinous acts in the "name of God," even as it goes against their Ten Commandments.
People like Randall Terry are________________________________Fill in the blank yourselves.....Wink, wink......
... without comment... as much as possible.
Let the people see what callous disregard and fanaticism looks like.
"this guy deserved to die, don't blame us, let's eat!
and let me tell you what's on the menu..."
Vomit ... that's what.
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Really.
When Jerry Farwell was found dead in his office, I must confess to feeling a little relieved that his bigotry and hypocrisy were at an end. But Jesus, I didn’t go around inviting people for a beer and chicken wings because of it.
Regardless of how you feel over any issue (or non-issue), there's no need to be so callous. This guy is a scary.
Terry is a sick F***.
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What a self absorbed jackass. He absolutely carries a share of the blame.
... and that has to do what exactly with this topic of discussion?
WTF?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Free association you guys, c'mon. Play along. No connection required.
Give that man a cigar...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the idea of slaughter and death always seems to make sociopaths like Terry hungry and apparently upbeat and perky.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I heard on msnbc today that the shooter suffers from schizophrenia and was off his meds. I smell defense.
If Terry was indeed and sincerely pro life, he would have sounded way more sincere than he does here. In the second video he says something like maybe Dr. Tiller's death can be a teaching moment for what child killing is all about. Seems to me he is sending out a warning to other doctors who might perform abortions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Those that are most unstable and least monitored are the first to pop. And if any of us think the Religious Reich doesn't know that - then we're dangerously naive.
This incident is less about who died and why - than it is about validation of killing as an option when you don't agree with someone.
That is what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham, Savage/Weiner, Limpballs, etc. are ALL ABOUT - especially since the eleciton.
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nothing sincerely sorrowful in Terry's voice about the DEATH of a person, only defensiveness to the point of blaming the victim.
deeply sorry that this individual was gunned down in his own CHURCH in front of FAMILY and friends.Now who's up for chicken wings?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
More like: Bummer the guy got shot. He killed babies so who the hell cares what happened to him. Speaking of dead things, let's eat some.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
like this...thing will not be implicated for instigating this kind
of murder.
Notice people like Terry never get their hands dirty in something like this, instead they encourage weak minded people to do the horrid action as they stand by on the sidelines signaling them on.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Its happening more and more often while accompanied by less and less accountability.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
i heard a local KS reporter say on our nat'l station that everyone knew the shooter was a fanatical antiabortionist. A person like that would definitely be associated with a larger organization, but soon we'll be hearing how he acted "on his own", etc.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Randal Terry has been a boil on the ass of humanity for decades. He's a sick scumbag with no life, who took his wife's pain over her lack of conception and turned it into a mission to kill and enslave. If there's any proof of evil in the human spirit, he's definitely a grand example.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Sitting here thinking about Terry, I decided to look him up on wiki. Jesus this guys personal life reads like a freakin' soap opera. Not the best family man.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
He loves the spotlight. What a creep.
There must've not been an open spot for "televangelist" for him.
He sounds so logical and matter-of-fact when he says Dr. Tiller was a mass murderer. Creepy scary! And so many of the gullibles follow him.
I agree w/others on here that he's a sociopath. From my experience w/them--admittedly small, fortunately--he is constitutionally unable to countenance any view apart from his own narrow, self-serving one.
Let me pluck the dead chicken carcass out of my mouth while I wash it down with alcohol that contains the remnants of sturgeon.
The hypocrisy is so disgusting.
If you are "pro-life" you must be a strict vegan, you must be against capital punishment, you must work tirelessly against a government who engages in preemptive war, you must work tirelessly to be pro-union, you must not shop at any corporation who engages in sweatshop practices, you must work tirelessly against the poverty-inducing policies of "free market" Republicans (& Democrats), you must be a huge supporter of a social safety net, of universal health care, or civil rights. I could go on and on.
In essence, if you are "Pro-life" you better be the biggest liberal progressive there is. If not, you are a hypocrite who uses a wedge issue to such an extent that it leads to acts of terrorism and death.
Seems they are also fed up with the nutcases taking over the GOP. And the revelation that the suspect is linked to an anti-government group is a bombshell.
Miss Palin; that really makes him a DOMESTIC TERRORIST@!!
http://www.kansas.com/946/story/834448.html
Roeder was involved with the Freemen, not just Operation Rescue. Smells like a domestic terrorist to me!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Must hope there is no god. Because if there is, they are so fu*ked.
Terry has been called a lot of things....a "sociopath," a "scumbag," a "jackass," and more. He is all of these things and more....words cannot describe how I loathe people like this. But I will try.....he is a right-wing pscyho, self-absorbed, self-righteous, sick frgn' bastard of the worst order. I'm tempted to send him an email, but I'd be afraid he'd try to find me and threaten me.
Oh, yes....he is also a "boil on the ass of humanity," and he is pure evil.
I would drink a beer and eat some chicken wings (not spicy) if someone ever takes his sorry ass out
Listen to him.......
W T F is wrong with these ppl?
LuLu
Lest be clear I do not condone PETA to kill Randal Terry for eating chickens, that would be just too absurd!
he had to buy his own damn chickenwings and beer. I hope he chokes on them
If so called Christians like him are going to heaven, I pray to God I bust hell wide open. To me hell would be whatever celestial plane assholes like him are on and heaven would be the opposite
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