There are two important conversations going on about Ron Paul right now. The first is whether or not racist comments that came from old issues of the Ron Paul Report show that Paul is or was racist (they do). The other conversation is about whether or not progressives should support Paul because of his stances on the war, civil liberties and economic issues. The second conversation is much more important. Whether or not Paul is a racist (and I believe he is, as well as a bigot of various other types), that's not nearly as important as his stances on a myriad of other issues. Obviously, racism should automatically disqualify a candidate from serving in any office, much less president, but if he were elected, his views on race would have little impact on policy, outside of potential Supreme Court nominations. He didn't like the Civil Rights Act and opposes hate crimes legislation, but, as president, his alleged bigotry would not have a major impact on legislation, since most laws related to these issues pass with veto-proof majorities.
Anyone considering Paul as a candidate should certainly take into account his views on race, gender and the LGBT community -- all of which are atrocious -- but they should also take into account the vast array of other issues in which he is not only incredibly wrong, but where his policy prescriptions would make things worse. Some Occupy Wall Street supporters are Paul supporters, but Paul is very clearly aligned with the 1 percent. He says some things that sound good, but his voting record on issues related to corporations and the rest of us is bad. For instance, his lifetime voting record on:
Aid to Less Advantaged People, at Home & Abroad is 13.40 percent progressive
Corporate Subsidies 31.18 percent
Education, Humanities, & the Arts 13.19 percent
Environment 11.35 percent
Fair Taxation 9.01 percent
Government Checks on Corporate Power 15.16 percent
Health Care 12.62 percent
Housing 6.10 percent
Labor Rights 13.51 percent
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 15.88 percent
Even on the issues he's supposed to be good on, his record is mediocre:
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 33.66 percent progressive
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 30.71 percent
War & Peace 47.92 percent
Yes, even on war and foreign policy, Paul still votes the wrong way more than half the time. He does have a better record than most Republicans on these issues, but even the most conservative of Democrats do better than Paul on almost every issue. Everyone's most hated retiring Democrat, Ben Nelson votes more progressively than Paul on every one of these issues, usually by a factor of three or more. For instance, on health care, Nelson beats paul 55.02 to 12.62 percent -- and remember that Nelson was one of the people who killed the public option. On making government work for everyone, not just the rich, Nelson beats Paul 58.59 to 15.88 percent. Progressives rightfully hate Nelson, but Nelson is way, way better than Paul.
To get a full handle on how bad Paul's record and positions are, here is a quick rundown of his most offensive positions, those that would be the most damaging to the country. Ron Paul:
Anyone that still thinks that a progressive vote for Paul is a legitimate vote under any circumstances doesn't know what the word progressive means. Anyone that thinks that Paul "understands the Constitution" and defends it either hasn't read the Constitution or doesn't know how to read.
•Would abolish the income tax = Stop government theft of labor.
•Would place the U.S. on the gold standard = Stop government counterfeiting.
•Would allow citizens to engage in trade using gold and silver instead of currency = Would stop pointing a government gun @ people who want to engage in free trade.
•Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses = Stop pointing the government gun @ business people.
•Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income = Allow people to keep their money.
•Is a global warming denier = Warming denier or skeptical of the cause of global warming?
•Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional = True, if the "constitution had any authority.
•Would eliminate antitrust laws = Would stop pointing the government gun @ business people.
•Would eliminate the federal minimum wage = Would remove the government gun from private contracts.
•Would eliminate the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act = Would remove the government gun from private contracts.
•Would eliminate the estate and gift taxes = Would let people do what they want with the fruits of their labor.
•Would tax all earners at a 10 percent rate = Wants the government to rob everyone equally.
•Would eliminate tax credits to individuals who are not corporations = Would point the government gun away from how people use their money.
•Would eliminate the elderly tax credit, child care credit and earned income credit = Would point the government gun away from how people use their money.
•Voted to make it easier to decertify unions = Voted to point the government gun away from people's labor.
•Opposes Federal Deposit Insurance = Voted for personal responsibility.
•Would revert government spending to 2004 levels and freeze it there = It's a start.
•Opposes raising the debt ceiling for any reason = Opposes living above your means or spending money that you don't have.
•Would allow people to opt out of Social Security = Would allow people to use their money as they see fit.
•Says that widespread bankruptcy is the stimulus the country needs = Believes in reaping what you sow.
•Opposed the auto industry bailouts = Believes in reaping what you sow.
•Favors tort reform = Favors fairness.
•Opposes the regulation of tobacco = Opposes pointing the government gun @ business owners.
•Would protect the 'privacy' of online sexual predators and child pornographers on public wi-fi networks = Would remove excuses for privacy invasion of innocent people.
•Would prevent federal courts from protecting citizens who have their rights denied = Get your shit together @ the local level.
•Opposed the Motor Voter law = Who cares?
•Would allow states to ban gay marriage = Get your shit together @ the local level.
•Sponsored the Marriage Protection Act = Keep the Feds out of marriage.
•Would repeal affirmative action = Would point the government gun away from private business.
•Would limit the scope of Brown v. Board of Education = Some people want the scope to be limitless.
•Says that emergency rooms should be able to turn away undocumented immigrants = Point the government gun away from private business decisions.
•Opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act = Point the government gun away from private business decisions.
•Voted anti-choice more than 90 times as a member of Congress = Does not want taxpayers to pay for abortions.
•Voted to eliminate all international family planning funds = Does not want taxpayers to pay for government's idea of a family plan.
•Voted for the Stupak amendment banning abortion coverage by private health insurance companies = Does not want the government gun influencing the decisions of private business.
•Voted in favor of fetal personhood laws = If true, it seems stupid.
•Would eliminate all funding for Planned Parenthood = Government is not here to plan parenthood.
•Would ban flag burning = If true, it seems stupid.
•Would weaken regulation of dietary supplements = Would point the government gun away from personal choices.
•Supports a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research = If embryonic stem cell research is worth having then private industry will fund it.
•Opposes subsidies for prescription drugs for seniors = Subsidies raise prices.
•Opposes mandatory vaccinations = Point the government gun away from personal choices.
•Would expand offshore oil drilling = Point the government gun away from private business.
•Would increase mining on federal lands = If it were private land the mining would take place. He's making the best of a bad situation.
•Would weaken the Clean Air Act = Where are the funds coming from? If private industry is polluting then boycotts are most effective.
•Would repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act = Would stop pointing the government gun @ private property owners.
•Would weaken the Federal Water Pollution Control Act = Where are the funds coming from? If private industry is polluting then boycotts are most effective.
•Would eliminate departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor = Would eliminate departments that private industry could provide.
•Would eliminate the Environmental Protection agency = Private property owners protect their environment.
•Would eliminate FEMA = Would promote personal responsibility.
•Would eliminate the Federal Reserve = Would eliminate government counterfeiting.
•Would eliminate the Occupational Health and Safety Administration = Would stop the government gun from influencing private agreements.
•Would eliminate AmeriCorps = Would stop stealing money from people who don't want to pay for it.
•Would eliminate spending to combat AIDS overseas = Would stop stealing money from people who don't want to pay for it while promoting personal responsibility.
•Would eliminate gas taxes = It's so necessary to people's livelyhoods that it's too easy of an income stream for a corrupt government..
•Opposes the census gathering demographic data on Americans = Will point the government gun away from people's privacy.
•Opposed the dismantling of U.S. nuclear missile silos = Possible pollution problems? Maybe realizes that countries with nuclear weapons don't get attacked?
•Wanted to withdraw the U.S. from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty = Not a good way to defend against a missile attack.
•Wants to claim the Panama Canal as sovereign U.S. territory = Must not have liked it when Carter gave it away.
•Opposes the International Criminal Court = No proof that it has any authority.
•Would withdraw the U.S. from the U.N. = No proof that it has any value.
•Supports the electoral college and believes that the U.S. is not a democracy = The U.S. was not supposed to be a democracy.
•Believes that we have no right to health care = Also believes that we have no right to a landscaper or auto mechanic and for the same reasons.
•Would eliminate birthright citizenship = Would not use the government gun to force someone to call themselves a citizen.
•Believes that law enforcement can't help people, only armed citizens can prevent violence = "Law enforcement" is rarely at the scene of a potentially violent crime.
•Would allow the legal sale of unpasteurized milk = Would not use a government gun to prevent someone from buying whatever nutrition that they desire.
•Believes that groups of people don't have rights, only individuals do = Rights are granted. It would be impossible to grant a right to anything but an individual.
•Believes that government cannot redistribute wealth in any way = Believes that theft is wrong regardless of who the thief is.
•Believes in the concept of 'jury nullification', the idea that a jury can judge not only the facts in a case but the justness of the law itself = Believes that morals override man made laws.
•Believes that social welfare should be in the hands of individuals only, not government = Does not want to use the government gun to steal from one and give to another.
for the patriot act...
for every single one one of Chimpy's war appropriations bills...
for Condoleeza Rice for Secretary of State
for war on Libya...
for war in Pakistan...
for the recent NDAA bill...
for the bailouts with no oversite...
for a healthcare mandate...
for the FISA act...
appointed Eric Holder, Larry Sommers, Tim Geithner ect ect...
and kept Ben Burnanke...
and got more in campaign donations from Goldman Sachs employees than any other candidate.
and appointed assloads of other lobbyists unto his administration after he said he wouldn't.
ect..
ect...
ect...
"I just know I'm not gonna vote for Obama is all I know"
Bigotry against the consumption choice of people who might otherwise be homeless, is NOT COOL. Prejudice against a lifestyle imposed by the ridiculously low wages paid by 1%ers is DISGUSTING. People who call themselves leftists and/or progressives but are so out of touch with reality, are repelling our natural constituency and alienating intelligent, issues-oriented workers who do not want to associate with you and yours. Yes, Paul is terrifyingly corporate. A physician who wants to deregulate dietary supplements, a OB/GYN who votes the misogynist religion ticket, and millions of stoners will vote for him based solely on marijuana advocacy. Colbert must have invented him.
Racist, homophobe and and all around bad for America.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
...then he's got bad judgment. Take your pick about the newsletters and their racist bend. He's either a racist or lacking in common sense. Either for me is vote-killer.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Paul is an idiot and a crank, who understands nothing about the Constitution, the economy, or foreign policy.
Meanwhile, in his first two years, President Obama helped pull the economy back from a depression, rescued the American auto industry, passed a health care reform law 100 years in the making, signed Wall Street reform, DADT repeal, the woefully under-appreciated student loan reform, New START, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the biggest overhaul of our food-safety laws in 70 years, new regulation of the credit card industry, a national service bill, expanded stem-cell research, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, net neutrality, the most sweeping land-protection act in 15 years, and health care for 9/11 rescue workers, among other things.
If you're not going to vote for Obama, then you are a republican. And if you are a republican, then you are a bad person.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do not be so presumptuous as to tell me who I am allowed to vote for. Explain something to me, for someone who clearly hates the federal government so much why is he trying to become president of it. Every time he opens his mouth he says "...states rights and decisions." he wants to be president only to what, abolish it? Of course, this is when I can actually understand the nonsense that spews from his mouth.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
What does the price of milk have to do with the 50 plus points laid out in this blog? Better get busy if you want to address each one before the Iowa caucus...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Every animal, humans included, carry pathogens, bacteria, and other potentially harmful organisms. By not pastuerizing the milk, you are playing Russian roullette with your health and life. You wouldnt eat raw meat would you? This is no different.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
Well, in Ron Paul world, i hope you have real good insurance. Cuz if u get sick and have to go to the ER and u have none...well, we don't have to treat u. You're going to have rely on charity. If u can find one before you die that is.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
...govt takes care of you from cradle to grave and tells you...
what to eat
what drugs you can take
what doctor to see
what car to drive
how much it will cost you
how much electricity you can use
where you can protest
and what you can say.
. . . The place was built in 1920, and the front porch was enclosed in the 60s. HVAC ducts were added, and I found they'd been insulated with newspaper.
So I pulled out the paper, and it was a January 1963 issue of the Des Moines Register. The editorial pages were intact and the letters to the editor were perfectly legible.
And amongst those letters was one from a local crackpot whose stupid neighbor had let his dairy cow go dry. He was now forced to go to the store for his milk!. The Pasteurization, that he could grudgingly accept as a necessary evil, but, by damn! why did they have to homogenize it?!? Now he can't pour the cream off the top. What the hell is he gonna put in his coffee now?
I assume that 50 years on that crackpot has long since gone to his reward. But I can imagine him looking back on us here, smiling, that finally, finally, a presidential contender would take up his dairy crusade and put this nation right again.
Don't forget that paul is going to get the backing of the capitalists, corporatists, racists, and reich wingers in congress for all the bad stuff paul would do, and will be up against the same brick walls that the President is when it comes to the few good things that paul would do.
We'd get all the bad stuff fast tracked in congress, and the good stuff obstructed - just like now. the difference is that paul has a shit load of bad stuff, and only a bit of good stuff which is very difficult to get done.
For example, he might get Roe v Wade overturned with the help of congress, but he will not have any better luck shutting down the Fed than anyone else has.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Because (and I believe we're screwed no matter what) if Obama wins, he and Bernanke are going to turn us into a banana republic with QE3, QE4, and the printing press flying to the moon. We're already past the point of no return on debt to GDP, over 100% now.
If Ron Paul can't get anything done, we're f***ed, and all that C&L and every liberal is fighting to keep now is going to end anyways by capitulation of circumstances. This economic crisis is global in nature and the solution is global in nature. I've been saying that for years here. Unfortunately no one is working with each other to come up with a solution, everyone is just protecting themselves.
The world is cutting out the US, Japan just made a currency agreement with China directly, they no longer need US dollars to do business with China. India and China made a similar agreement months ago. Our reserve currency status going the way of the dinosaur.
This country operated for nearly 200 years with practically zero inflation outside of times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts when gold was money.
Inflation is a phenomena that occurs when the currency supply is expanded, that is true definition of inflation (no matter what any Keynesian professor tells you). Rising prices are a symptom of it. Inflation is a stealth tax used to rob the wealth of a nation, even Lord Keynes new this.
Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose. - John Maynard Keynes
Inflation is just a nice word for debasing a currency.
There are times when you want to inflate the currency, and one of those times is when you're staring spiraling deflation right in the face. The Great Depression could have been nipped in the bud had the US had fiat currency at the time of the Crash of '29. In fact, in the worldwide depression that followed, the countries that recovered the most quickly were those that got their asses off of the gold standard the soonest. We were facing spiraling deflation at the end of Bush's 2nd term, and we kept that deflation in check by inflating the currency supply.
All you know is fiat currency bull shit. In the first 200 years of this country when silver and gold were money (not paper fractional claim checks on the metal). Outside of times of war there was zero inflation because you could not inflate gold like you can paper. The country is 240 years years out but settlers were here for nearly 300 years using gold and silver as money.
If you really want to know what inflation truly is, then you better learn how the CPI is a lie, how hedonic adjustments have been used to obfuscate the truth. You can learn a bit more about it here:
This country operated for nearly 200 years with practically zero inflation outside of times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts when gold was money.
And I showed that this is demonstrably false, that the highest rates of inflation in the last 100 years occurred long before this country went off of the gold standard, and that the rate of inflation was higher from late 1915 through 1920 than at any other time covered...And you rebut with two charts that not only don't cover the last 200 years, but they don't cover the last 50 years (one is the last 10 years and the other the last 30). And to harm your own argument even more by linking those charts which actually parallel the CPI, only showing the rate of inflation as being slightly higher- following that trend in your linked charts back in time, the CPI in 1916 at ~20% would be at ~22% on your charts, while the numbers today- with fiat currency AND a war- sit at about 4.5% CPI and ~7.5% by your shadowy figures. Simple math bub: 22%>7.5%!
I'm heading to dinner, but later tonight I'll lay out economic history here for you. You really don't understand economics, or economic history. I don't mean that as an insult but it's obvious you are hitting google and looking for anything to grasp onto to make your case.
I really hope I'm not wasting my time here, I tend to think you'll not bother actually researching this and will just type some nonsense back at me like you always do.
As I have said outside times of war where the US borrowed to pay for the effort money in the US was gold or silver. For nearly the first 200 years this country operated with virtually no inflation.
The wars that the borrowed to fund were:
The Revolutionary War - war is paid down prices normalize
War of 1812 - war is paid down prices normalize
The Civil War - war is paid down prices normalize
WWI - Inflation begins to go down but WWII comes along.
WWII - inflation does not abate before the Vietnam War and has not since.
First I'll establish gold was money and all bills up until WWI were merely claim checks on gold or silver. I'm not going to bother with detailing coins since up until 1964 dimes, quarters, half dollars, and silver dollars had at least 90% silver in them. Kennedy half dollars had 40% between 1965 and 1970. Obviously we had gold coins before this as well. I don't think I need to establish this as money as it obviously was based on their hard metal content.
Paper dollars including the US's first paper currency the Continental were claim checks redeemable for gold up until WWI. The Continental however was later debased into the ground thanks to the Revolutionary War and the British counterfeiting it to destroy it.
Here are photographic examples of bills proving they were merely claim checks on silver and gold all payable in silver or gold to the bearer on demand as it states on the bills.
In 1963, the words "PAYABLE TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND" were removed from all newly issued Federal Reserve notes. Then, in 1968, redemption of pre-1963 Federal Reserve notes for gold or silver officially ended. The Coinage Act of 1965 removed all silver from quarters and dimes, which were 90% silver prior to the act. However, there was a provision in the act allowing some coins to contain a 40% silver consistency, such as the Kennedy Half Dollar. Later, even this provision was removed, and all coins minted for general circulation are now mostly clad.
The easiest way to understand what I'm saying is to watch 2 short videos from Chris Martenson's crash course video on US monetary history and inflation. Before you spit your coffee out, his sources for the information he presents are here:
I have posted many of these sources again and again here on C&L, I have looked at all his referenced sources as well as many others verifying them for myself. I will list some of them here:
If you honestly and actually do some homework on the topic then you will begin to understand just how badly our government is lying to us and how much they have taken from us.
I beg to differ regarding the corporatists and capitalists
Paul
*Would eliminate antitrust laws
*Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional
*Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income
*Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses
*Would eliminate the federal minimum wage
*Voted to make it easier to decertify unions
I was going to go through the entire list, but realized it would be easier to list the things that the capitalists and corporatists would object to instead.
so who has it backwards?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...end up with more corporate money than Obama during this cycle then you are deluded.
If Ron Paul were the true corporate wet dream then he would be awash in dirty corporate/banker campaign donations (like Obama already is) ...but he is not.
Obama is the corporate/bankster first choice...not Paul.
That may be because certain Paul policies, as pro business and anti-government as they are, could very well destabilize American business and result in disaster.
Progressives are not opposed to business - that is a right wing myth. Progressives are opposed to unchecked monopoly, fixed market instead of free market, and free trade instead of fair trade.
If President Obama and the Dems can do good things for American business and American corporations, then he has got half the equation right in my opinion - he just has to get it right for the working class, middle class, and poor while he does it to get it completely right. A good President has to help business and corporations, and everyone else at the same time.
Maybe that's why paul isn't being taken seriously by the business world.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Anyone who gets on stage in a debate with Obama will turn him into a Pinata. How is he going to defend trillions more in stimulus that did nothing to improve unemployment from it's current 23% rate?
When you count it honestly using pre1994 numbers before Clinton decided to cut out the long term discouraged workers who haven't worked in over a year, unemployment is at 23%
How is going to defend keeping crooks like Summers, Rubin, and Geithner around who only helped take care of the banks?
How is going to defend not going after the SEC for not bring one f***ing charge against the crooks who took down Wall Street and along with it so many peoples savings?
How is going to defend doing NOTHING to help people stay in their homes? No principle reduction loans, the banks got loaded with liquidity and bought US T-Bills with them, used the income to pay back their loans, which of course is on our backs AGAIN.
Put me on stage with Obama in a debate, I would decimate him on every point.
but you and reality must have parted ways in a non friendly manner, if you really are so deluded as to think that an illiterate buffoon like Trump could out debate Obama.
Trump couldn't even get his act together to moderate a GOP debate, even though there have been what... 20 of them thus far? And yet you think he can out debate a top Harvard-educated lawyer in a non-controlled hostile environment? LMAO.
but would not vote for any Republican to save my life since that party has gone of the cliff. As to debating, I seem to remember that very long Republican debacle where President Obama showed up to take on the House Republicans and made them look like the bunch of buffoons they are. I'm not terribly worried about how he's going to do debating any of them.
but when it comes to finance, deal negotiations, and economics he talks at a level Obama simply does not have in his vocabulary. I'm no Trump fan, I have read a number of his books and think his bloated ego may not fit in our universe.
...but with respect to actually talking about business, economics, and finance he really does know his stuff, say what you like about the guy, he didn't earn 7 billion by not understanding these topics.
I, unlike many of the left, can at least separate my emotions from all that is wrong with him and recognize what he is really good at like him or not.
I did not, but the fact is he did turn his businesses around. In the end we're probably going to disappoint quite a few countries by paying off our debt with devalued dollars. That would escaping and screwing our business partners on a global scale.
a sociopath spoiled brat, who got all his money from daddy, and who is reduced to do outrageous attention whoring stunts to remain relevant and in business.
Holy shit. I am baffled. I really am. And I am no fan of Mr. Obama. but no matter how disagreeable I may find some of his policies/actions. I still can not even pretend to be able comprehend the sheer dissonance that must be happening in the brain of someone, who somehow thinks Donald shittouch Trump is more than qualified to run this country.
This exchange has actually hurt my brain. Congratulations! My brain is refusing to consider the possibility that I may just had an exchange with someone who is making a serious case for the Trump as president of the US of motherfucking A. Fuck me...
I always thought you were a bit off kilter Vegas. Not a lot. Just a bit off kilter. Trump? Are you fucking kidding me? See ya bud. And to think, I actually read most of your rants about gold.
I'll tell you what Vegas. You made a fool of yourself here tonight.
Milky? well, that's milky. he can't help it.
Some of the newer Paulbots? fuckem.
I see Abbywood was smart enough to avoid this thread tonight.
Gotta give her that much. She's still a Paulbot, but at least she showed better judgement than any of you bozos' here tonight.
You are looking for any reason to disregard what I say so you can sleep better thinking the world is as you believe it to be. Whatever it takes for you, by all means.
You gotta work your ass off to LOSE money running a casino, but Trump managed to.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
to gamble with and lose others' money, starting with the $35 mil that his daddy left him
there is a time ... when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. you can't even passively take part -- mario savio
but if he was on a stage next to donald trump, trump would look like nothing more than the snake oil salesman that he truly is
and fyi, trump didn't lose credibility because he didn't run, he lost credibility because of his birther bullshit ... we're still waiting on all that damning evidence he collected
there is a time ... when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. you can't even passively take part -- mario savio
I would love to see the GOP get gutted and reformed. I'd start by putting Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter in pillories for public display. I might even keep some eggs nearby for good measure.
I want Paul to be elected. The clusterfuck that ensues, the minute he takes the oat of office and he tries to turn the clock back a couple of centuries on the whole country, will destroy the conservative movement for generations. Hell, it will make libertarians finally STFU. So that is another plus.
Perhaps this country really needs to hit rock bottom before most people wise up. And I can't think of anyone more qualified to swing that 2 by 4 clue shitstick than Dr. Paul.
Because Ron wants monetary base to our money to control runaway borrowing and printing is an old idea? I got news for every liberal here, you guys are all alone in the idea that gold and silver are not money. China is urging it's citizens to protect themselves with gold and silver, the government is telling their people this. That 1/3rd of the earth population alone. While MSNBC is telling you it's just a metal, all of the central banks are buying it including the FED.
I'll tell you who's going to be royally screwed when the next shoe drops, the left.
It's hilarious to me liberals decry a resource based money and don't bother to realize it never stopped being a resource based currency. In 1974 Kissinger negotiated OPEC oil could only be sold in US dollars. That's what makes the dollars value what it is, backed with our military. We have a petrodollar, but remember the left think we're past a resource based currency.
Republicans all the rope they need to hang themselves. But I'd rather they not hang the entire country. Restoring the good things they would destroy would not be easy, and would be much more difficult in the severely-weakened state they would leave the country. Getting rid of them might not be so easy either, no matter how much harm they do. They seem quite capable and willing to conduct rigged elections and use security state measures to remain in power.
While apparently it will take more pain to get more substantial change, I'm not sure that letting the country implode will get us to a better future faster. It might just get us to a worse future sooner and one that never gets much better for the rest of most of our lives.
but the last four years have taught me that innocents will continue to suffer, and we will continue to be denied our fundamental rights, so long as the corporate-centrists of either mainstream party -- whether the nominally-conservative one or the functionally-conservative one -- are in power
the sooner we let them tear down their flimflam tower, the sooner we'll be able to rebuild this country into a land that focuses on the quality of human life, not just corporate profits
there is a time ... when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. you can't even passively take part -- mario savio
but the last four years have taught me that innocents will continue to suffer, and we will continue to be denied our fundamental rights, so long as the corporate-centrists of either mainstream party...are in power
Actually, Ron Paul will be virtually in the same position of Obama if he were to b elected. Only difference is that even his "own" party will fillibuster and obstruct him. A Ron Paul presidency would be an impotent one.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
...Its not like he can just stop writing checks is it? Its not like there are services and salaries that must be paid is it? And what happens when all of those gov't workers lose their jobs? Isn't that going to take money from people's bank accounts, from people who work where the gov't workers shop? So what your saying is that ron paul will increase the unemployment crisis already contributing to the revenue problem in america that he'll make worse as we struggle to collect enough money to pay down the deficit by cutting more jobs and reducing tax revenue even further? Somehow, I don't see how making a problem worse is making the problem better.
The 76 yo ron paul lives in a fantasy world. Oh I know you think he doesn't, well then, you'll be able to point to another country currently subscribing to mr. paul's unique ideology and show us all how successful and prosperous it is, right?.....
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
he'd cut spending ... they're terrified of him because he's a bigoted, corporatist, christo-fascist wrapped in faux anti-war clothing
there is a time ... when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. you can't even passively take part -- mario savio
Most Americans simply don't care about (or are too uninformed to realize) the amount of chaos our military and foreign policy is causing around the world. Thus someone like Ron Paul can be easily dismissed.
I think 99% of us feel that the MIC is out of control, and needs to be reined in, for the continued safety of the nation. However i think that the ron paul foreign policy, from what i have seen of it, would leave us all in grave danger from real threats that actually do exist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
translation? no, not at all - unless we are talking about milquetoast-ese perhaps.
Quite simply, paul is reckless. all republicans are reckless, but paul stands out in a crowd of reckless republicans and idealists. We need to rein in the MIC gradually, not shut it down. If we shut it down too fast we are sitting ducks for all the blow-back, plus all the bad guys in the world - they do exist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he wants us to be sitting ducks, just that we would be if we followed his policies.
I could have sworn he wanted to shut down all foreign bases almost immediately. That is at least half way to sitting duck, unless it is done gradually, pragmatically. does he discuss any details about how he would shut down the bases and on what time table?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Bottom line - I think his approach could/would be even more dangerous to the American people than a pragmatic draw down, in concert with a cooperative attitude towards the world community - as opposed to isolationism.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Who didn't even know that Eisenhower funded the space program. As did every President following him.. And while we're at it, we should throw in Truman too. remember milky? think Sputnik.....
and our highway system. you know, for commerce. from State to State.
How so? He actually thinks we need a larger military, but one with a presence that doesn't piss off most the world and create a blacklash in the form of terrorism.
No, he doesn't. Paul is a classic isolationist who believes the rest of the world is unimportant and that we could ignore them with impunity. He says so openly and frequently.
...from which his no-foreign-aid-ever stance comes. That is, he doesn't give a shit about people. Earthquake in Haiti? Fuck 'em. Cyclone in Bangladesh? Fuck 'em. Famine in the Horn of Africa? Fuck 'em. And, ya know, this is the same place from which originates his stances on the social safety net put in place by Roosevelt and Johnson. In the future I'll refer to this place as the Rand Hole, the place where exists in good progressives a soul, but in States Righters and Objectivists like Paul exists nothing.
So you go ahead and throw in with Paul. Don't expect everyone else to play Molotov to Paul's Ribbentrop, though. We aren't all as shortsighted as you.
The only thing I really needed to know about Paul was that he was massively in favor of unlimited corporate donations for candidates. That's the issue that drives almost all others.
The Corporate Left cries about some fictitious boogeyman from Corporate Right, all while the Peacelovin' Non-Racist in the White House bombs one Muslim country after another in the lands WayWay Overthere!.
Meanwhile, in all his speechifying, the Peacelovin' Non-Racist in the White House barely mentions the Banking Criminals who have robbed the homes and money from the working class, the poor, the brown and the black.
But hey, according to the accolytes of the Corporate Left, the real villains are Rick Perry Herman Cain Michelle BachmanRon Paul...and soon-to-be Rick Santorum.
O' what an enlighted group, the Obama supporters are?
It's "Ron Paul's Racism Isn't the Worst Thing About Him"
If you'll notice as you requested, "Get some new material," the post is about stuff other than ron paul's racism. Other stuff that worse than it, not exactly the same identical thing as racism.
I think you demonstrate here, with a comment that conveys you did not understand what the article is about, why paul supporters exist: a total lack of comprehension.
"Original" thinking means actually using your brain instead of just repeating what the DNC/OFA faxes over to A-List blogger so that they can repeat it to their minions.
Or is it just a coincidence that SUDDENLY every Obama/Dem friendly blog (go ahead comb through that blogroll there on the right column) is repeating the same stories, the same narratives and the same charges against the same people - day-after-day, night-after-night.
not like you anyway. I already told you what the title is. That's hardly a misdirect. The post of yours I responded to was a misdirect.
And again, you rest my case. You're nothing if not polite for doing that, even though you are horribly condescending. And by 'horribly condescending," I mean you're horrible at condescending
BTW, I haven't voted for the Dem running since 96, so you're off there, too.
Well, I do get what you're trying to say. But.
All that stuff you said about Obama... I already knew all that stuff. But what's being said about Paul, now that he's a more and more viable candidate, deserves to be said as well. It's not some zero-sum game, where if we hear awful Republican stuff, we immediately forget all of Obama and the democrat's offenses. At least, I don't work like that.
but for a lot of folks around here, it's a lesser-of-two-evils game ... delineating one candidate's flaws may not recommend the other to you and me, but a lot of folks see any discussion of obama's shortcomings as an endorsement of the republicans and any negative discussion of a republican candidate as an endorsement of obama
there is a time ... when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. you can't even passively take part -- mario savio
Not a good idea. The gold standard is what is behind the evils of money in the first place, is it not? what we need is a way to keep track of worth - the only true worth in the world is labor - all else is illusory and fabrication for the sake of plutocrats.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ron Paul wouldn't put us on a gold standard, he would return us to a true 1:1 ratio gold system, where gold is money, not a fractional gold standard like you and every other left leaning person keeps wrongly asserting.
Gold standards do suck because they are just a fractional reserve adulteration of a real gold monetary system, which I might add is how this country operated for nearly 200 years with practically zero inflation (outside of times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts).
But hey we have fiat currency system that continues to lose value at an astounding rate.
Tell you what you stash cash under your mattress for the next 10 years and I'll stash gold and silver, let's see who is smiling at the end.
...what if gold and silver tanks? What if they find massive gold deposits somewhere in the world? Oops..you're broke. That's the problem with the gold standard; the value fluctuates and as more people get there hands on it and stash it, the more it just puts us back into some other kind of "income inequality hell".
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
This may be true, but can you say that this is attributable to going off the gold standard? It could be because of other factors that things are not going well.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It's the banksters alright. Gold standard or not, it's the banksters. Seems to me we need to set the rules on those banksters, but the gold standard would make matters worse - unless sweeping new rules are put in place they will exploit any system.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The gold standard argument has always bothered me because I believe we should never move backwards in society. If cars became too much of a problem in the future, would someone suggest going back to horse-drawn carriages? No.
There's a lot of problems with money, and it may very well be unsustainable. But that just leaves the field open to innovative new ideas. We don't have to just... roll back to an idea we had in the 1700's.
That would be terrific for the plutocrats living in their gated communities, and the private road(s) to their slave labor factory work houses. Wouldn't take long before the whole country would collapse, but for the fortresses of a few dozen power barons. Decay on the national scale - return to the wild - but for a few tiny pockets of obscene wealth and excess.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Why does this man want to be President of the United States (a federal position) when he can't shut up about "states rights"? All of his policies can be broken down into one sentence: The state should make that decision. So what is he going to do, get into office only to give away all his decisions to the states and then sit on his thumbs. God, go back to Texas.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
Abbywood?
who just doesn't get it. nor does he want too.
Impressive list by the author. Well done.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
•Would abolish the income tax = Stop government theft of labor.
•Would place the U.S. on the gold standard = Stop government counterfeiting.
•Would allow citizens to engage in trade using gold and silver instead of currency = Would stop pointing a government gun @ people who want to engage in free trade.
•Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses = Stop pointing the government gun @ business people.
•Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income = Allow people to keep their money.
•Is a global warming denier = Warming denier or skeptical of the cause of global warming?
•Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional = True, if the "constitution had any authority.
•Would eliminate antitrust laws = Would stop pointing the government gun @ business people.
•Would eliminate the federal minimum wage = Would remove the government gun from private contracts.
•Would eliminate the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act = Would remove the government gun from private contracts.
•Would eliminate the estate and gift taxes = Would let people do what they want with the fruits of their labor.
•Would tax all earners at a 10 percent rate = Wants the government to rob everyone equally.
•Would eliminate tax credits to individuals who are not corporations = Would point the government gun away from how people use their money.
•Would eliminate the elderly tax credit, child care credit and earned income credit = Would point the government gun away from how people use their money.
•Voted to make it easier to decertify unions = Voted to point the government gun away from people's labor.
•Opposes Federal Deposit Insurance = Voted for personal responsibility.
•Would revert government spending to 2004 levels and freeze it there = It's a start.
•Opposes raising the debt ceiling for any reason = Opposes living above your means or spending money that you don't have.
•Would allow people to opt out of Social Security = Would allow people to use their money as they see fit.
•Says that widespread bankruptcy is the stimulus the country needs = Believes in reaping what you sow.
•Opposed the auto industry bailouts = Believes in reaping what you sow.
•Favors tort reform = Favors fairness.
•Opposes the regulation of tobacco = Opposes pointing the government gun @ business owners.
•Would protect the 'privacy' of online sexual predators and child pornographers on public wi-fi networks = Would remove excuses for privacy invasion of innocent people.
•Would prevent federal courts from protecting citizens who have their rights denied = Get your shit together @ the local level.
•Opposed the Motor Voter law = Who cares?
•Would allow states to ban gay marriage = Get your shit together @ the local level.
•Sponsored the Marriage Protection Act = Keep the Feds out of marriage.
•Would repeal affirmative action = Would point the government gun away from private business.
•Would limit the scope of Brown v. Board of Education = Some people want the scope to be limitless.
•Says that emergency rooms should be able to turn away undocumented immigrants = Point the government gun away from private business decisions.
•Opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act = Point the government gun away from private business decisions.
•Voted anti-choice more than 90 times as a member of Congress = Does not want taxpayers to pay for abortions.
•Voted to eliminate all international family planning funds = Does not want taxpayers to pay for government's idea of a family plan.
•Voted for the Stupak amendment banning abortion coverage by private health insurance companies = Does not want the government gun influencing the decisions of private business.
•Voted in favor of fetal personhood laws = If true, it seems stupid.
•Would eliminate all funding for Planned Parenthood = Government is not here to plan parenthood.
•Would ban flag burning = If true, it seems stupid.
•Would weaken regulation of dietary supplements = Would point the government gun away from personal choices.
•Supports a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research = If embryonic stem cell research is worth having then private industry will fund it.
•Opposes subsidies for prescription drugs for seniors = Subsidies raise prices.
•Opposes mandatory vaccinations = Point the government gun away from personal choices.
•Would expand offshore oil drilling = Point the government gun away from private business.
•Would increase mining on federal lands = If it were private land the mining would take place. He's making the best of a bad situation.
•Would weaken the Clean Air Act = Where are the funds coming from? If private industry is polluting then boycotts are most effective.
•Would repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act = Would stop pointing the government gun @ private property owners.
•Would weaken the Federal Water Pollution Control Act = Where are the funds coming from? If private industry is polluting then boycotts are most effective.
•Would eliminate departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor = Would eliminate departments that private industry could provide.
•Would eliminate the Environmental Protection agency = Private property owners protect their environment.
•Would eliminate FEMA = Would promote personal responsibility.
•Would eliminate the Federal Reserve = Would eliminate government counterfeiting.
•Would eliminate the Occupational Health and Safety Administration = Would stop the government gun from influencing private agreements.
•Would eliminate AmeriCorps = Would stop stealing money from people who don't want to pay for it.
•Would eliminate spending to combat AIDS overseas = Would stop stealing money from people who don't want to pay for it while promoting personal responsibility.
•Would eliminate gas taxes = It's so necessary to people's livelyhoods that it's too easy of an income stream for a corrupt government..
•Opposes the census gathering demographic data on Americans = Will point the government gun away from people's privacy.
•Opposed the dismantling of U.S. nuclear missile silos = Possible pollution problems? Maybe realizes that countries with nuclear weapons don't get attacked?
•Wanted to withdraw the U.S. from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty = Not a good way to defend against a missile attack.
•Wants to claim the Panama Canal as sovereign U.S. territory = Must not have liked it when Carter gave it away.
•Opposes the International Criminal Court = No proof that it has any authority.
•Would withdraw the U.S. from the U.N. = No proof that it has any value.
•Supports the electoral college and believes that the U.S. is not a democracy = The U.S. was not supposed to be a democracy.
•Believes that we have no right to health care = Also believes that we have no right to a landscaper or auto mechanic and for the same reasons.
•Would eliminate birthright citizenship = Would not use the government gun to force someone to call themselves a citizen.
•Believes that law enforcement can't help people, only armed citizens can prevent violence = "Law enforcement" is rarely at the scene of a potentially violent crime.
•Would allow the legal sale of unpasteurized milk = Would not use a government gun to prevent someone from buying whatever nutrition that they desire.
•Believes that groups of people don't have rights, only individuals do = Rights are granted. It would be impossible to grant a right to anything but an individual.
•Believes that government cannot redistribute wealth in any way = Believes that theft is wrong regardless of who the thief is.
•Believes in the concept of 'jury nullification', the idea that a jury can judge not only the facts in a case but the justness of the law itself = Believes that morals override man made laws.
•Believes that social welfare should be in the hands of individuals only, not government = Does not want to use the government gun to steal from one and give to another.
for the patriot act...
for every single one one of Chimpy's war appropriations bills...
for Condoleeza Rice for Secretary of State
for war on Libya...
for war in Pakistan...
for the recent NDAA bill...
for the bailouts with no oversite...
for a healthcare mandate...
for the FISA act...
appointed Eric Holder, Larry Sommers, Tim Geithner ect ect...
and kept Ben Burnanke...
and got more in campaign donations from Goldman Sachs employees than any other candidate.
and appointed assloads of other lobbyists unto his administration after he said he wouldn't.
ect..
ect...
ect...
"I just know I'm not gonna vote for Obama is all I know"
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President Obama - Off Topic - right on cue. Obvious re-direction.
Ouch. Hit a nerve have we?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
If we are going to make shit lists...
and even if people want to call Paul a racist (he is not)...
when you actually count the votes ...Obama still rules the top of my shit list.
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I think the idea here is to discuss the ron paul shit list, and it's plenty long enough to use up the entire discussion.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Racism is probably regular conversation in your home(trailer).
Bigotry against the consumption choice of people who might otherwise be homeless, is NOT COOL. Prejudice against a lifestyle imposed by the ridiculously low wages paid by 1%ers is DISGUSTING. People who call themselves leftists and/or progressives but are so out of touch with reality, are repelling our natural constituency and alienating intelligent, issues-oriented workers who do not want to associate with you and yours. Yes, Paul is terrifyingly corporate. A physician who wants to deregulate dietary supplements, a OB/GYN who votes the misogynist religion ticket, and millions of stoners will vote for him based solely on marijuana advocacy. Colbert must have invented him.
Racist, homophobe and and all around bad for America.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
Obama is a "elitist fascist banksucker" who already has been been (proven to be) "all around bad for Muricca"
so I guess were are even-steven
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...then he's got bad judgment. Take your pick about the newsletters and their racist bend. He's either a racist or lacking in common sense. Either for me is vote-killer.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
But I guess that just makes sense to you, me, and the rest of the 99% here...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
is why anyone ever answers him. A more obvious troll I've never seen.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
(who chants)
"they got bailed out we got sold out"
who votes for Obama instead of Ron Paul is beyond my comprehension.
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you shouldn't write such funny shit while I'm watching bones.
me-oww!
...Ron Paul to win the nomination (yeah right) ...just to see him debate Obama and discuss some real issues.
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Paul is an idiot and a crank, who understands nothing about the Constitution, the economy, or foreign policy.
Meanwhile, in his first two years, President Obama helped pull the economy back from a depression, rescued the American auto industry, passed a health care reform law 100 years in the making, signed Wall Street reform, DADT repeal, the woefully under-appreciated student loan reform, New START, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the biggest overhaul of our food-safety laws in 70 years, new regulation of the credit card industry, a national service bill, expanded stem-cell research, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, net neutrality, the most sweeping land-protection act in 15 years, and health care for 9/11 rescue workers, among other things.
If you're not going to vote for Obama, then you are a republican. And if you are a republican, then you are a bad person.
...you cannot possibly be a 99 percenter
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"If you refuse to allow the republicans to recapture the White House, you don't pass my definition of purity."
Go back to your fantasy land. I'll keep living in the real world by voting for the best candidate. In this case, Obama.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do not be so presumptuous as to tell me who I am allowed to vote for. Explain something to me, for someone who clearly hates the federal government so much why is he trying to become president of it. Every time he opens his mouth he says "...states rights and decisions." he wants to be president only to what, abolish it? Of course, this is when I can actually understand the nonsense that spews from his mouth.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
Give him a few minutes and Milquetoast will pound out something even more stupid, probably something about Paul wanting to protect Social Security.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
...and you got sold out.
but your still gonna vote for him?
(ridiculous)
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yes i agree shade Tail - they must be republicans.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
is something I really WOULD like to see.
Me too.
far left loon >.<
Thanks, Kenneth.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
...allowing the sale of unpasteurized milk anyway?
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What does the price of milk have to do with the 50 plus points laid out in this blog? Better get busy if you want to address each one before the Iowa caucus...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
is bogus.
and the other half is there just to piss off socialists.
I'll address one when someone brings one up (besides me)
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You actually read all those links already, and determined that the information is 'bogus'?
Wow. i'm still on the first one.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I do know that there is nothing wrong with clean unpasteurized milk @ 40 degrees for about 5 or 6 days at least.
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USA Today: Raw milk: Fit for human consumption?
http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/
http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consu...
Every animal, humans included, carry pathogens, bacteria, and other potentially harmful organisms. By not pastuerizing the milk, you are playing Russian roullette with your health and life. You wouldnt eat raw meat would you? This is no different.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
...damn well please thank you.
(Thanks for the warning though)
don't get hit by any asteroids tonite yourself either...
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But don't try to sell it in the market as safe.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Don't forget Mad Cow Disease Milque.
You forget about Mad Cow Disease didn't you...
They say that prions can even get through pasturized milk but why take chances?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
you should make sure you drink plenty of it. Please.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Cows or a couple goats maybe
don't I?
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and ask for "au natural" milk fresh from the udder. With extra pus if possible, it really brings out the flavor!
nom nom nom...
Make sure you get at least a couple of servings of the stuff per day, and you can report back to us in a few weeks. Deal?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
'gimme some o' that colostrum"
yummy
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.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
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...directly from the udder if possible
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Well, in Ron Paul world, i hope you have real good insurance. Cuz if u get sick and have to go to the ER and u have none...well, we don't have to treat u. You're going to have rely on charity. If u can find one before you die that is.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
...govt takes care of you from cradle to grave and tells you...
what to eat
what drugs you can take
what doctor to see
what car to drive
how much it will cost you
how much electricity you can use
where you can protest
and what you can say.
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...held together with horseshit.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
the best place to have an open-heart surgery is a church.
Hmmmm.... infection!
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
. . . The place was built in 1920, and the front porch was enclosed in the 60s. HVAC ducts were added, and I found they'd been insulated with newspaper.
So I pulled out the paper, and it was a January 1963 issue of the Des Moines Register. The editorial pages were intact and the letters to the editor were perfectly legible.
And amongst those letters was one from a local crackpot whose stupid neighbor had let his dairy cow go dry. He was now forced to go to the store for his milk!. The Pasteurization, that he could grudgingly accept as a necessary evil, but, by damn! why did they have to homogenize it?!? Now he can't pour the cream off the top. What the hell is he gonna put in his coffee now?
I assume that 50 years on that crackpot has long since gone to his reward. But I can imagine him looking back on us here, smiling, that finally, finally, a presidential contender would take up his dairy crusade and put this nation right again.
Really, using the bathroom and hand swatting is what blows Cenk Uygur away?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh God that is funny. Almost as funny as when he got owned by Peter Schiff in a debate and had to cut his microphone because he couldn't take it.
Just get honest, the left is terrified of Ron Paul because they know he would actually cut spending like no other president before him.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Troll troll troll. Funny how truth consistently brings them out from under their bridges.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Every actionable item in that list above is true and I'm all for cutting most of them, Ron Paul will get my vote.
But anyone with half a sense knows Ron Paul won't be able to do all this even in two terms, we have the legislative branch still.
C&L fear mongering
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Don't forget that paul is going to get the backing of the capitalists, corporatists, racists, and reich wingers in congress for all the bad stuff paul would do, and will be up against the same brick walls that the President is when it comes to the few good things that paul would do.
We'd get all the bad stuff fast tracked in congress, and the good stuff obstructed - just like now. the difference is that paul has a shit load of bad stuff, and only a bit of good stuff which is very difficult to get done.
For example, he might get Roe v Wade overturned with the help of congress, but he will not have any better luck shutting down the Fed than anyone else has.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Because (and I believe we're screwed no matter what) if Obama wins, he and Bernanke are going to turn us into a banana republic with QE3, QE4, and the printing press flying to the moon. We're already past the point of no return on debt to GDP, over 100% now.
If Ron Paul can't get anything done, we're f***ed, and all that C&L and every liberal is fighting to keep now is going to end anyways by capitulation of circumstances. This economic crisis is global in nature and the solution is global in nature. I've been saying that for years here. Unfortunately no one is working with each other to come up with a solution, everyone is just protecting themselves.
The world is cutting out the US, Japan just made a currency agreement with China directly, they no longer need US dollars to do business with China. India and China made a similar agreement months ago. Our reserve currency status going the way of the dinosaur.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You know, if wages kept up with inflation, inflation would not be so bad. Money should be valued against it's worth in labor.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
This country operated for nearly 200 years with practically zero inflation outside of times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts when gold was money.
Inflation is a phenomena that occurs when the currency supply is expanded, that is true definition of inflation (no matter what any Keynesian professor tells you). Rising prices are a symptom of it. Inflation is a stealth tax used to rob the wealth of a nation, even Lord Keynes new this.
Inflation is just a nice word for debasing a currency.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You're a fucking idiot, a liar, or some of each. Here's US rates of inflation over the last 100 years (1910-2008). The highest rate of inflation was in 1921, when it was at 23%-24%. In 2008, it was ~5%.
There are times when you want to inflate the currency, and one of those times is when you're staring spiraling deflation right in the face. The Great Depression could have been nipped in the bud had the US had fiat currency at the time of the Crash of '29. In fact, in the worldwide depression that followed, the countries that recovered the most quickly were those that got their asses off of the gold standard the soonest. We were facing spiraling deflation at the end of Bush's 2nd term, and we kept that deflation in check by inflating the currency supply.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
All you know is fiat currency bull shit. In the first 200 years of this country when silver and gold were money (not paper fractional claim checks on the metal). Outside of times of war there was zero inflation because you could not inflate gold like you can paper. The country is 240 years years out but settlers were here for nearly 300 years using gold and silver as money.
If you really want to know what inflation truly is, then you better learn how the CPI is a lie, how hedonic adjustments have been used to obfuscate the truth. You can learn a bit more about it here:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inf...
Don't make me draw the lines to the dots for you.
You think paper is safe? Do please read this.
Foreigners Dump Record Amount Of US Treasurys In Past Month
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/foreigners-dump...
You guys are in for the rudest of all awakenings inside this decade.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You wrote:
And I showed that this is demonstrably false, that the highest rates of inflation in the last 100 years occurred long before this country went off of the gold standard, and that the rate of inflation was higher from late 1915 through 1920 than at any other time covered...And you rebut with two charts that not only don't cover the last 200 years, but they don't cover the last 50 years (one is the last 10 years and the other the last 30). And to harm your own argument even more by linking those charts which actually parallel the CPI, only showing the rate of inflation as being slightly higher- following that trend in your linked charts back in time, the CPI in 1916 at ~20% would be at ~22% on your charts, while the numbers today- with fiat currency AND a war- sit at about 4.5% CPI and ~7.5% by your shadowy figures. Simple math bub: 22%>7.5%!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I'm heading to dinner, but later tonight I'll lay out economic history here for you. You really don't understand economics, or economic history. I don't mean that as an insult but it's obvious you are hitting google and looking for anything to grasp onto to make your case.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Now you've done it, Andy K. I may never forgive you!
:P
me-oww!
I really hope I'm not wasting my time here, I tend to think you'll not bother actually researching this and will just type some nonsense back at me like you always do.
As I have said outside times of war where the US borrowed to pay for the effort money in the US was gold or silver. For nearly the first 200 years this country operated with virtually no inflation.
The wars that the borrowed to fund were:
First I'll establish gold was money and all bills up until WWI were merely claim checks on gold or silver. I'm not going to bother with detailing coins since up until 1964 dimes, quarters, half dollars, and silver dollars had at least 90% silver in them. Kennedy half dollars had 40% between 1965 and 1970. Obviously we had gold coins before this as well. I don't think I need to establish this as money as it obviously was based on their hard metal content.
Paper dollars including the US's first paper currency the Continental were claim checks redeemable for gold up until WWI. The Continental however was later debased into the ground thanks to the Revolutionary War and the British counterfeiting it to destroy it.
Here are photographic examples of bills proving they were merely claim checks on silver and gold all payable in silver or gold to the bearer on demand as it states on the bills.
US $5 1923 Silver Certificate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_$5_1923_Silver_Certificate.jpg
US $1 1928 Silver Certificate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_$1_1928_Silver_Certificate.jpg
US 1907 $10 gold certificate dollar
http://www.paperexhibition.com/paper-money/my...
US 1882 $1,000 Gold Certificate
http://www.mmgcollectibles.com/images/about/1...
The easiest way to understand what I'm saying is to watch 2 short videos from Chris Martenson's crash course video on US monetary history and inflation. Before you spit your coffee out, his sources for the information he presents are here:
What sources did Chris draw from in creating the Crash Course?
http://www.chrismartenson.com/faq/crash-cours...
I have posted many of these sources again and again here on C&L, I have looked at all his referenced sources as well as many others verifying them for myself. I will list some of them here:
If you honestly and actually do some homework on the topic then you will begin to understand just how badly our government is lying to us and how much they have taken from us.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Obama is the one who is going to get the backing of capitalists and corporatists and neo-cons in congress...
(not Ron Paul)
you got it all backwards!
Obama gets all the money from Goldman Sachs remember?
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I beg to differ regarding the corporatists and capitalists
Paul
*Would eliminate antitrust laws
*Says that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are unconstitutional
*Would eliminate the taxation of foreign income
*Would arbitrarily cut government regulations and believes that regulations only hurt businesses
*Would eliminate the federal minimum wage
*Voted to make it easier to decertify unions
I was going to go through the entire list, but realized it would be easier to list the things that the capitalists and corporatists would object to instead.
so who has it backwards?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...end up with more corporate money than Obama during this cycle then you are deluded.
If Ron Paul were the true corporate wet dream then he would be awash in dirty corporate/banker campaign donations (like Obama already is) ...but he is not.
Obama is the corporate/bankster first choice...not Paul.
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That may be because certain Paul policies, as pro business and anti-government as they are, could very well destabilize American business and result in disaster.
Progressives are not opposed to business - that is a right wing myth. Progressives are opposed to unchecked monopoly, fixed market instead of free market, and free trade instead of fair trade.
If President Obama and the Dems can do good things for American business and American corporations, then he has got half the equation right in my opinion - he just has to get it right for the working class, middle class, and poor while he does it to get it completely right. A good President has to help business and corporations, and everyone else at the same time.
Maybe that's why paul isn't being taken seriously by the business world.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Maybe you shouldn't prognasticate.
Then he lost all credibility by not running, but he would destroy Obama in a debate, sorry Obama can't debate.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Wut?
you libertarians and reality don't really get along, do you?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Anyone who gets on stage in a debate with Obama will turn him into a Pinata. How is he going to defend trillions more in stimulus that did nothing to improve unemployment from it's current 23% rate?
When you count it honestly using pre1994 numbers before Clinton decided to cut out the long term discouraged workers who haven't worked in over a year, unemployment is at 23%
How is going to defend keeping crooks like Summers, Rubin, and Geithner around who only helped take care of the banks?
How is going to defend not going after the SEC for not bring one f***ing charge against the crooks who took down Wall Street and along with it so many peoples savings?
How is going to defend doing NOTHING to help people stay in their homes? No principle reduction loans, the banks got loaded with liquidity and bought US T-Bills with them, used the income to pay back their loans, which of course is on our backs AGAIN.
Put me on stage with Obama in a debate, I would decimate him on every point.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
but you and reality must have parted ways in a non friendly manner, if you really are so deluded as to think that an illiterate buffoon like Trump could out debate Obama.
Trump couldn't even get his act together to moderate a GOP debate, even though there have been what... 20 of them thus far? And yet you think he can out debate a top Harvard-educated lawyer in a non-controlled hostile environment? LMAO.
Planet wingnutia must be a very odd place.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
but would not vote for any Republican to save my life since that party has gone of the cliff. As to debating, I seem to remember that very long Republican debacle where President Obama showed up to take on the House Republicans and made them look like the bunch of buffoons they are. I'm not terribly worried about how he's going to do debating any of them.
but when it comes to finance, deal negotiations, and economics he talks at a level Obama simply does not have in his vocabulary. I'm no Trump fan, I have read a number of his books and think his bloated ego may not fit in our universe.
...but with respect to actually talking about business, economics, and finance he really does know his stuff, say what you like about the guy, he didn't earn 7 billion by not understanding these topics.
I, unlike many of the left, can at least separate my emotions from all that is wrong with him and recognize what he is really good at like him or not.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Trump has much more first hand experience in bankruptcy matters than Mr. Obama can ever hope to achieve, or most mere mortals for that matter.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
In turning failures around than Obama, see my point now.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Screwing over partners and contractors is escaping, not turning anything around.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I did not, but the fact is he did turn his businesses around. In the end we're probably going to disappoint quite a few countries by paying off our debt with devalued dollars. That would escaping and screwing our business partners on a global scale.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
a sociopath spoiled brat, who got all his money from daddy, and who is reduced to do outrageous attention whoring stunts to remain relevant and in business.
Holy shit. I am baffled. I really am. And I am no fan of Mr. Obama. but no matter how disagreeable I may find some of his policies/actions. I still can not even pretend to be able comprehend the sheer dissonance that must be happening in the brain of someone, who somehow thinks Donald shittouch Trump is more than qualified to run this country.
This exchange has actually hurt my brain. Congratulations! My brain is refusing to consider the possibility that I may just had an exchange with someone who is making a serious case for the Trump as president of the US of motherfucking A. Fuck me...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I just think it would be awesome to see him debate Obama on the economy. Everyone here just reads too much into what I'm typing.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I always thought you were a bit off kilter Vegas. Not a lot. Just a bit off kilter. Trump? Are you fucking kidding me? See ya bud. And to think, I actually read most of your rants about gold.
I'll tell you what Vegas. You made a fool of yourself here tonight.
Milky? well, that's milky. he can't help it.
Some of the newer Paulbots? fuckem.
I see Abbywood was smart enough to avoid this thread tonight.
Gotta give her that much. She's still a Paulbot, but at least she showed better judgement than any of you bozos' here tonight.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
You are looking for any reason to disregard what I say so you can sleep better thinking the world is as you believe it to be. Whatever it takes for you, by all means.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
right..........
What is your conceptual, continuity?
:D
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You gotta work your ass off to LOSE money running a casino, but Trump managed to.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
to gamble with and lose others' money, starting with the $35 mil that his daddy left him
but if he was on a stage next to donald trump, trump would look like nothing more than the snake oil salesman that he truly is
and fyi, trump didn't lose credibility because he didn't run, he lost credibility because of his birther bullshit ... we're still waiting on all that damning evidence he collected
he had TOTAL cred before he threw his hat in the ring. For decades.
What a laugh.
me-oww!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Actually President Obama was tearing it up and gaining cred starting back as a congressman.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
and I think you'd be hard pressed to find loads of post of mine that fawn over this pres.
You wasted all those caps on me.
me-oww!
You're welcome
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I am actually rooting for the little guy! A Paul presidency would destroy the conservative movement for all practical purposes in this country.
Please get the guy to run, please, pretty please!
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I would love to see the GOP get gutted and reformed. I'd start by putting Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter in pillories for public display. I might even keep some eggs nearby for good measure.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I want Paul to be elected. The clusterfuck that ensues, the minute he takes the oat of office and he tries to turn the clock back a couple of centuries on the whole country, will destroy the conservative movement for generations. Hell, it will make libertarians finally STFU. So that is another plus.
Perhaps this country really needs to hit rock bottom before most people wise up. And I can't think of anyone more qualified to swing that 2 by 4 clue shitstick than Dr. Paul.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Because Ron wants monetary base to our money to control runaway borrowing and printing is an old idea? I got news for every liberal here, you guys are all alone in the idea that gold and silver are not money. China is urging it's citizens to protect themselves with gold and silver, the government is telling their people this. That 1/3rd of the earth population alone. While MSNBC is telling you it's just a metal, all of the central banks are buying it including the FED.
Nation urged to increase holdings of gold
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/usa/business/201...
I'll tell you who's going to be royally screwed when the next shoe drops, the left.
It's hilarious to me liberals decry a resource based money and don't bother to realize it never stopped being a resource based currency. In 1974 Kissinger negotiated OPEC oil could only be sold in US dollars. That's what makes the dollars value what it is, backed with our military. We have a petrodollar, but remember the left think we're past a resource based currency.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Republicans all the rope they need to hang themselves. But I'd rather they not hang the entire country. Restoring the good things they would destroy would not be easy, and would be much more difficult in the severely-weakened state they would leave the country. Getting rid of them might not be so easy either, no matter how much harm they do. They seem quite capable and willing to conduct rigged elections and use security state measures to remain in power.
While apparently it will take more pain to get more substantial change, I'm not sure that letting the country implode will get us to a better future faster. It might just get us to a worse future sooner and one that never gets much better for the rest of most of our lives.
"think about the innocents who would suffer!"
but the last four years have taught me that innocents will continue to suffer, and we will continue to be denied our fundamental rights, so long as the corporate-centrists of either mainstream party -- whether the nominally-conservative one or the functionally-conservative one -- are in power
the sooner we let them tear down their flimflam tower, the sooner we'll be able to rebuild this country into a land that focuses on the quality of human life, not just corporate profits
Hear, hear! Post of the week.
Actually, Ron Paul will be virtually in the same position of Obama if he were to b elected. Only difference is that even his "own" party will fillibuster and obstruct him. A Ron Paul presidency would be an impotent one.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
...Its not like he can just stop writing checks is it? Its not like there are services and salaries that must be paid is it? And what happens when all of those gov't workers lose their jobs? Isn't that going to take money from people's bank accounts, from people who work where the gov't workers shop? So what your saying is that ron paul will increase the unemployment crisis already contributing to the revenue problem in america that he'll make worse as we struggle to collect enough money to pay down the deficit by cutting more jobs and reducing tax revenue even further? Somehow, I don't see how making a problem worse is making the problem better.
The 76 yo ron paul lives in a fantasy world. Oh I know you think he doesn't, well then, you'll be able to point to another country currently subscribing to mr. paul's unique ideology and show us all how successful and prosperous it is, right?.....
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
he'd cut spending ... they're terrified of him because he's a bigoted, corporatist, christo-fascist wrapped in faux anti-war clothing
Most Americans simply don't care about (or are too uninformed to realize) the amount of chaos our military and foreign policy is causing around the world. Thus someone like Ron Paul can be easily dismissed.
I think 99% of us feel that the MIC is out of control, and needs to be reined in, for the continued safety of the nation. However i think that the ron paul foreign policy, from what i have seen of it, would leave us all in grave danger from real threats that actually do exist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
We are slowly getting raped but we should just lay there so we don't get assaulted by someone else if we happen to be successful in our get away.
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translation? no, not at all - unless we are talking about milquetoast-ese perhaps.
Quite simply, paul is reckless. all republicans are reckless, but paul stands out in a crowd of reckless republicans and idealists. We need to rein in the MIC gradually, not shut it down. If we shut it down too fast we are sitting ducks for all the blow-back, plus all the bad guys in the world - they do exist.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
he wants a strong military that can defend America.
implying that he wants us to be sitting ducks is ridiculous.
(strawman fail)
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sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he wants us to be sitting ducks, just that we would be if we followed his policies.
I could have sworn he wanted to shut down all foreign bases almost immediately. That is at least half way to sitting duck, unless it is done gradually, pragmatically. does he discuss any details about how he would shut down the bases and on what time table?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...is what is going to get us attacked.
(not to mention the cost)
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Bottom line - I think his approach could/would be even more dangerous to the American people than a pragmatic draw down, in concert with a cooperative attitude towards the world community - as opposed to isolationism.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
warned us 6 score and 1 year ago about the MIC and yet...
you want to "take it slow" ?
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Who didn't even know that Eisenhower funded the space program. As did every President following him.. And while we're at it, we should throw in Truman too. remember milky? think Sputnik.....
and our highway system. you know, for commerce. from State to State.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
How so? He actually thinks we need a larger military, but one with a presence that doesn't piss off most the world and create a blacklash in the form of terrorism.
No, he doesn't. Paul is a classic isolationist who believes the rest of the world is unimportant and that we could ignore them with impunity. He says so openly and frequently.
...from which his no-foreign-aid-ever stance comes. That is, he doesn't give a shit about people. Earthquake in Haiti? Fuck 'em. Cyclone in Bangladesh? Fuck 'em. Famine in the Horn of Africa? Fuck 'em. And, ya know, this is the same place from which originates his stances on the social safety net put in place by Roosevelt and Johnson. In the future I'll refer to this place as the Rand Hole, the place where exists in good progressives a soul, but in States Righters and Objectivists like Paul exists nothing.
So you go ahead and throw in with Paul. Don't expect everyone else to play Molotov to Paul's Ribbentrop, though. We aren't all as shortsighted as you.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
The only thing I really needed to know about Paul was that he was massively in favor of unlimited corporate donations for candidates. That's the issue that drives almost all others.
Racist, Racist, Racist,
Yada Yada Yada Yada.
The Corporate Left cries about some fictitious boogeyman from Corporate Right, all while the Peacelovin' Non-Racist in the White House bombs one Muslim country after another in the lands WayWay Overthere!.
Meanwhile, in all his speechifying, the Peacelovin' Non-Racist in the White House barely mentions the Banking Criminals who have robbed the homes and money from the working class, the poor, the brown and the black.
But hey, according to the accolytes of the Corporate Left, the real villains are
Rick PerryHerman CainMichelle BachmanRon Paul...and soon-to-be Rick Santorum.O' what an enlighted group, the Obama supporters are?
one down - fifty-four to go. Better get busy bayville - the Iowa caucus is next week... and try to stay on topic will ya?
Oh, BTW - regarding paul's apparent racism - yadda yadda yadda? I'm not convinced by that argument.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
your brain really wanted to say the n-word, didn't it?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Racist, Racist, Racist...
We get it already.
Again, New material pleeze.
I take schizophrenia is part of your new material to overcome the staleness of your racism?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Can't wait for u kids to go back to school after Xmas break.
that's like totally original.
Oh, the ironic places that a conservative complaining about the lack of novelty from others is taking this subthread...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Better go blow Limbaugh , he's waiting bayville , you don't want to be late now .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
It's "Ron Paul's Racism Isn't the Worst Thing About Him"
If you'll notice as you requested, "Get some new material," the post is about stuff other than ron paul's racism. Other stuff that worse than it, not exactly the same identical thing as racism.
I think you demonstrate here, with a comment that conveys you did not understand what the article is about, why paul supporters exist: a total lack of comprehension.
me-oww!
haven't lowered myself to this cesspool of imagination and original thinking in months.
But I see its still the same ol' Lemmings, repeating the usual Dem/Obama approved Talking points.
Again, Get some new material.
"Original" thinking and "critical" thinking aren't the same thing, ya know.
Neither are "original" thinking and "delusional" thinking, for that matter.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
"Original" thinking means actually using your brain instead of just repeating what the DNC/OFA faxes over to A-List blogger so that they can repeat it to their minions.
Or is it just a coincidence that SUDDENLY every Obama/Dem friendly blog (go ahead comb through that blogroll there on the right column) is repeating the same stories, the same narratives and the same charges against the same people - day-after-day, night-after-night.
Sad. It's like Nuremburg in 1933 all over again.
Great job,
originaldelusional thinker.ETA: Shorter bayville: Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
not like you anyway. I already told you what the title is. That's hardly a misdirect. The post of yours I responded to was a misdirect.
And again, you rest my case. You're nothing if not polite for doing that, even though you are horribly condescending. And by 'horribly condescending," I mean you're horrible at condescending
BTW, I haven't voted for the Dem running since 96, so you're off there, too.
me-oww!
Well, I do get what you're trying to say. But.
All that stuff you said about Obama... I already knew all that stuff. But what's being said about Paul, now that he's a more and more viable candidate, deserves to be said as well. It's not some zero-sum game, where if we hear awful Republican stuff, we immediately forget all of Obama and the democrat's offenses. At least, I don't work like that.
but for a lot of folks around here, it's a lesser-of-two-evils game ... delineating one candidate's flaws may not recommend the other to you and me, but a lot of folks see any discussion of obama's shortcomings as an endorsement of the republicans and any negative discussion of a republican candidate as an endorsement of obama
Would place the U.S. on the gold standard.
Not a good idea. The gold standard is what is behind the evils of money in the first place, is it not? what we need is a way to keep track of worth - the only true worth in the world is labor - all else is illusory and fabrication for the sake of plutocrats.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...gold has value because...IT JUST DOES!
Haven't you ever read Vegas Rage's treatises on this?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Ron Paul wouldn't put us on a gold standard, he would return us to a true 1:1 ratio gold system, where gold is money, not a fractional gold standard like you and every other left leaning person keeps wrongly asserting.
Gold standards do suck because they are just a fractional reserve adulteration of a real gold monetary system, which I might add is how this country operated for nearly 200 years with practically zero inflation (outside of times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts).
But hey we have fiat currency system that continues to lose value at an astounding rate.
Tell you what you stash cash under your mattress for the next 10 years and I'll stash gold and silver, let's see who is smiling at the end.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I seemed to have missed that whilst watching the paint on my ceiling- which happens to be much less predictable than any of your comments.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I've been saying the same thing here for years now, not my fault you don't read what I say.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Yer killin' me with the unintended irony!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Is it now?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
...what if gold and silver tanks? What if they find massive gold deposits somewhere in the world? Oops..you're broke. That's the problem with the gold standard; the value fluctuates and as more people get there hands on it and stash it, the more it just puts us back into some other kind of "income inequality hell".
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Things have gone to shit lately since we have been off the gold standard.
I can say that much.
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This may be true, but can you say that this is attributable to going off the gold standard? It could be because of other factors that things are not going well.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...to the banksters and their fake ponzi system of inflating money and ever growing debt.
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It's the banksters alright. Gold standard or not, it's the banksters. Seems to me we need to set the rules on those banksters, but the gold standard would make matters worse - unless sweeping new rules are put in place they will exploit any system.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...then bankers would want it in a heartbeat.
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Do you know that many don't?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...Ben Burnanke's worst nightmare.
and I can post multiple hours of video to prove it if you want
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The gold standard argument has always bothered me because I believe we should never move backwards in society. If cars became too much of a problem in the future, would someone suggest going back to horse-drawn carriages? No.
There's a lot of problems with money, and it may very well be unsustainable. But that just leaves the field open to innovative new ideas. We don't have to just... roll back to an idea we had in the 1700's.
Would abolish the income tax
That would be terrific for the plutocrats living in their gated communities, and the private road(s) to their slave labor factory work houses. Wouldn't take long before the whole country would collapse, but for the fortresses of a few dozen power barons. Decay on the national scale - return to the wild - but for a few tiny pockets of obscene wealth and excess.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Yes, but once he teams up with Dennis Kucinich or Elizabeth Warren that list of policy atrocities won't matter, we'll all love him.
/involuntarywretch
Why does this man want to be President of the United States (a federal position) when he can't shut up about "states rights"? All of his policies can be broken down into one sentence: The state should make that decision. So what is he going to do, get into office only to give away all his decisions to the states and then sit on his thumbs. God, go back to Texas.
Brave Lady Liberty who carries her forever-lit torch of enlightenment, freedom, and hope. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
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