CA Teabagger Wants State's Government To Force Christmas Music On State's Students
By Logan Murphy Friday Dec 11, 2009 8:00am
Our nation's founders came here to escape religious persecution. They made sure that our Constitution prohibited the formation of a national religion, but to this teabagger from California, forcing Christmas music on children is patriotic. More from The Huffington Post:
The Tea Party movement is supposed to be all about keeping the government out of your business. But if some California members get their way, the state will force public school children to sing Christmas carols.
It's called the "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative.
Merry Hyatt, a substitute teacher and member of the Redding Tea Party Patriots, is behind the push. The Record Searchlight reports:
The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.
"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' " Read on...
This goes against the Tea Party movement's anti-government intrusion platform, but consistency or historical accuracy has never been their strong suit. Hanukkah-Shmanukkah, there is only one REAL American holiday, don't ya' know? /snark off
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He rules the world with style and grace
A smile up-on his face!
And every mother's child is going to spy to see that
Satan really knows how to fly
In the meadow we can build a snowman then pretend that he is Elton John
He'll say are you hairy we'll say "no man" and you should put your clothes back on!
Redding.. Big Surprise a "tea-bagger" comes from there.. Too bad she doesn't keep the balls in her mouth huh?
It is time America returns to the sacred traditions that God wants us to observe!
that students attend school on Christmas day.
Did she attend school on ANY day. Does she have a diploma? I've not seen it. Has anyone seen it. How do we know she's qualified to speak to matters of education. Why has she not produced her credentials? What is she hiding?
.
...to ask for her birth certificate.
Do they have this argument in any of the other countries whose students and industries are kicking our asses? How about some math and science?
That's not important! This is a real issue! We need more songs about Rudolph, that'll fix America's academic standing.
"This goes against the Tea Party movement's anti-government intrusion platform"
Well so does Medicare and they are always clueless.
They are insane you know.
Saturn is the reason! Woo-hoo!
I wonder if John Gibson thinks she is Swiftboating the constitution.
I'm fully in support of mindless legislation that is cleary in opposition to the law as outlined in our Constitution.
It is important that we stay focused on mindless issues as a people, so that we can show we are fully engaged in our democracy.
Issues like healthcare, war and other public policies should be left to business. Business and the free market know best.
We need only buy their products and services, and all our boats will be razed...oh...sorry...raised.
Unconstitutional... Where are these freakshows who wear
the flag and the constitution like a crimson cloak, educated?
This level of stupidity needs to identified and treated as the disease it is.
"Patriotic Americans" forcing religion on children, gimme a break
Where are these freakshows who wear
the flag and the constitution like a crimson cloak, educated?
Homeschooling and charter schools...the American way.
Another member of the Tea Bagger Party.
years ago because spineless liberals did not prevent me from being subjected to singing about that Round Young Virgin over and over again in school.
It was not until I went to Mexico as a young adult that I learned the beautiful truth that the blessed Mother Mary was actually quite a looker and her image really fried up well on a corn tortilla.
And all this time I thought it was a flour tortilla. I guess that's why I never got the full experience.
is evident. Jesus appears on flour. Mary on corn. Always always will.
I learned that with the first wafer that passed my lip and melted on my tongue. Wait, to test the nuns, I chewed to see if the blood of Christ would dribble down my chin. It did not happen. I guess it was because the Holy Father in Rome excommunicated my momma for marrying my daddy.
Moon?
marriages reserved for practicing heterosexuals.
Someone who eats Rice isn;t half bad?
You got me on that one. The only things that I & my cousin did as alter boys was to make a small meal of the wafers and chug the alter wine after mass. Our priest made sure that there were at least 5 gallons of wine on hand. He thought he was drinking more than necessarary.
:)
Don't know if it was the excommunication thing or that I was an unappealing lard ass.
but our town only had 2100 people, 5 different churches, 4 sawmills, 1 aluminum plant, 1 traffic light that was turned off at 10 pm, and 25 bars with booze, beer and wine.
sorry, couldn't help it
Hey, if this asshat doesn't get shouted down by the rest of the State, they all Californians are accomplices in this travesty.
At least the three geese a laying will be raised in appropriate pens.
... being a hotbed of liberalism, has a strong Republican voting block. Basically, the inland valley and anything north of Fairfield, CA, and it's like the Twilight Zone.
on the approach to SFO and LAX?
*
At least only a substitute. I can only guess for what subjects. Hopefully Home Ec.
Surely she knows how to read. Maybe one of the "real" teachers should help her with the Constitution.
The troglodyte who is my niece's baby daddy was over on Thanksgiving and bemoaning how the local schools did not have any "Christmas" celebrations. He was doubtful if the Constitution actually said anything about religion and the government. But was SURE that the schools WERE NOT even part of the government.
Think of how dumb the average person is. Now think that half of all persons out there are DUMBER. Frightening . . .
Between hate the gays, hate the browns, and continued forcing of religious beliefs... I've officially reached my limit on you fucking christo-fascists.
I'd move from the great ole USofA if I thought some furrin' country would actually accept me being 'Merkin.
So instead of running away, I'm going to fight you ignorant christo-bigots with every dollar and every protest I have left in me, god dammit.
I'd invite you up to Canada but we seem to be importing only right wing ideology for the moment. If we could just get Faux out of our henhouse and Exxon out of our filthy oil patch we might again be the polite country we once were.
Once the ignorant tea baggers take over, get your burkas out ladies. The American Taliban is here. It gets more and more frigthening every day. Sarah Palin is HUGE and tea parties are gaining traction. I wanna move somewhere else as well.
This lady is priceless. The teabaggers are an endless source of comedy and misery. People like her still believe in the year 2009 that there is only one religion. Make that only one religion that matters :-(
These people need help. Palin only has a chance because of these idiots.
[It's called the "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative.]
Oh yeah, that just rolls off the tongue.
for Chinese New Year.
..but I see your point. These people aren't just "mentally challenged" but un-American. Clearly not in touch with the very document they swear fidelity too.
And, by the way, I think an idiot is the driver on the highway in a traffic jam that drives 40 mph to catch up to all the red lights and stop while doing 15 mph would get them to their destination faster by causing less jam-ups. Yesterday was a rough travel day; don't get me started on "delayed vectors".
"The initiative would require children to listen to or perform Christmas carols..."
(Rephrased it fer ya).
At gunpoint? Or will they simply threaten them with physical violence if the children refuse?
1) Be bound and thrown in the (required) school baptismal pond to see if they sink or float.
2) Must say grace over the "Mystery of Jesus Meat" school Christmas Banquet prepared with a topping of surplus cheese from the free lunch program.
I'm Jewish, and I can say that I don't have any problems with Christmas carols at all. I mean, some of them are exceptionally lame, others remind me of food instead of little baby Jeebus ("tender and mild", anyone?), but I always got a kick out of singing them because the music is nice.
I know some Jewish people who get very up-in-arms about the whole caroling thing because they feel that it offends them. I find that kind of stupid. I mean, Christmas isn't about the birth of a religion anymore, it's about the bottom line and how retailers can juice that money out of you. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.
That being said, *forcing* people to do things is stupid. These same people bitch and whine when Obama tells kids to stay in school, but are cool with songs that talk about "our savior". I bet they wouldn't be cool with anything pimping the FSM or Allah or (insert deity of choice here). The majority forcing its will on the minority is a serious danger.
"Tender and Mild" should remind you of dishwashing lotion, not food.
I'll pray to my corporate overlords for forgiveness.
How tender and mild is gefilte fish?
It's a bit bland and slimy, but it might be that I usually eat the carp-based stuff.
Christmas celebrating without being forced. But the teabaggers are like Mongo from Blazing Saddles. Big, dumb, and mean with a bullying streak. So they want to bully communities, schools, and especially children (remember how they behaved towards the children who sang the little song about Obama) into doing things their way, and that includes denying that there are other winter holidays or that people celebrate Christmas differently.
Why don't they just call it the
"Sing ya little commie bastards!" Act
So is this lady also supporting torture of children? I ask because having to listen to much of the "Christmas music" is a form of torture.
Did anyone see the tea bagger last night on the daily show who had broken from her local tea baggers and started her own group? Seems a member of the original crew brought a little jesus on a spring statue to one of their meetings. Ms huffy pants got all mad and formed her own tea baggin' group where they pray and sing patriotic songs.
I ask because having to listen to much of the "Christmas music" is a form of torture.
Only if it's The Chipmunks Christmas album.
..Beach Boys makes me cringe.
Or Elvis
(Not Costello),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUyuGFoiWJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xam01uaj6Vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyeQI_8CCk
without any Brenda Lee tunes, I will fight it to the death or never go near Califas again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O6RZ9hxrgU
Just wait until the Ted Nugent Christmas album comes out. Believe me, it's gonna happen-it's just a matter of time.
Christmas during the pageant I perfomed with the choir and raced back to sing with my 4th grade class. I loved it. But I hear ya, they should not be forcing these kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0aj-ngpIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0aj-ngpIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2oPio60mK4
Oh, you mean the people who were looking for 'moral clarity' pertaining to TORTURE?
"Our nation's founders came here to escape religious persecution."
Isn't this at least somewhat misleading? Or have we white-washed history to the point where the Puritans no longer existed?
with "practice their own" I surmise?
"FORCE their own."
One thing I've noticed odd is that I have yet to hear any real description of any difference between Puritans and Pilgrims beyond Puritans wanted to purify the Anglican Faith and Pilgrims were Separatists, but since the Puritans were separated from England too literally by distance it seems the demarcation disappears.
So when you hear about Puritans enforcing laws against Christmas, such as fining boys for playing ball instead of going to school or work on Christmas day, or families for lighting candles, and of course persecuting the "unbeliever" couldn't one say the same of the so-called Pilgrims?
Oh yeah, another thing, most of our Founding Fathers didn't come to America seeking anything, since they were already born here in what was the 13 Colonies.
And isn't 13 supposed to be an "evil" number?
I’m not sure that Jefferson and Madison (et al) thought that much about religion in the colonies. The establishment and free exercise clauses of the First Amendment was simply their aversion to England’s Church requirements. They were just saying that we ain’t going to do what England did in requiring the participation in a state-sponsored church.
I don’t think this substitute teacher would fit in too well with the Puritans either. Even though Henry VIII established the Church of England (that whole divorce thing), the Catholic Reformation was gaining influence all over Europe. The Church of England was really quite mainstream back then, and more popular than the English edicts would assume. The Puritans wanted to go even further than the Anglican Church because of their ecclesiastical sovereignty beliefs. They believed in the sanctity of individual interpretation and rejected congregationalism. This substitute tea-bagger really really likes congregationalism however.
Actually the English Church was formed in 664 at Whitby Abbey with a meeting of the Celtic Church, formed by Sts Columba of Iona, and St Aidan of Lindisfarne, with the Roman Catholic Church founded by St Augustine in Kent. It was around until 1066 when William the Conqueror replaced it by force with Roman Catholicism to be replaced by King Henry VIII in 1534 with a return of the English Church, he hoped to settle the animosity between Protestant and Catholic forces in his court.
... are you cart-wheeling or speaking spontaneously?
Maybe that's why they can't find a pulse... they need to put the cuff around your head; preferably the one that sits on your shoulders. :P
When did this happen?
Last Easter
people on earth.
That's obvious
Pot needs not just to be legalized but mandatory. To paraphrase Bill...
Schmuck: We need more Christianity in schools!!!!
Cop: Shut up and smoke this, its the LAW!
Schmuck: *puff* *puff*
Former Schmuck: *giggle* Sorry everyone, I was taking life seriously. Sorry *chuckle* I thought this all mattered.
How sweet it could be
..Satan, the Belchnickel and dick cheney also, I could care less if they sing about xmas.
Will there also come a "It's called the "Freedom to suppress Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative?
..a reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine? One can only hope!
I saw mommy tea bagging Santa Claus
Socialist Night
Rudolph the Red Nosed Commie Deer
Little dumber boy
Oh holy moly night
We three Queens
..trying to start a Chevrolet car..
..learning to smoke an el Producto cigar..
Smoking on a rubber cigar.
That could work in a sex ed on proper condom use.
against Cuba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWGBeADI_8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSX4J6hlSdA
I'm so glad these fruitcake Teabaggers are showing just how deeply disturbed, uneducated and scarey they are to all Americans.
... Congress, last year, passed Rep. Steve King's resolution on 'the Importance of Christmas and Christianity.'
It's not about Christ. It's not about Christianity. It's about forcing a specific religious view down everyone else's throats and being a bunch of lying, conniving, hypocrites in the process.
I'm putting that last bit in my Christmas cards for this year.
You still send Christmas cards? I dropped out several years ago.
My friends at Hallmark have Christmas Cards for the Illiterate. We know not everyone can nab that high school diploma.
And I appreciate that thoughtfulness.
I do:
Here's what I had made this year:
Max Ernst Une Semaine de Bonte (1935)
http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/7/7...
Inside it reads in Olde English red script, "Look Who's Found the Mistletoe..."
It suits your personality!
most of the Christmas stuff they obsess over. It's about control.
square dancing and go to the Houston Fatstock Show and Rodeo Parade.
..we had to learn the Hora, Square Dance and a Polka. It was actually fun to learn something from another culture. But to exclude other cultures from the holiday song fest is disingenuous to say the least.
cultures, but we stopped doing it when we were old enough that all our adult front teeth grew in.
Many people who think like this lady elect to home school their children because they want to ensure their children are indoctrinated with just the right mix of God, guns, and conservatism.
And their kids wind up being the right mix of fat, drunk and stupid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM
From the Redding Teaparty Patriots Website:
"THIS IS BREAKING NEWS---FISTGATE---FISTING PROMOTED TO 14 YEAR OLDS"
http://www.reddingteaparty.com/
Did you watch the slide show at the bottom of their site? Those signs tell me all I need to know about this bunch of crazy people. They are anti Obama first and foremost
How do you explain the photos of the El Camino on blocks and the rusty water tank as an expression of political philosophy? Also check out their members. None have any "friends" and all score "Zero" on their Patriot Activity Scorecards. Slackers.
Well hell, Sarah Palin is coming and I'm sure they are just too excited about that to worry about making friends. I think you score there if you can make enemies.
if the Pageant Princess President needs to be hauled along in the parade.
They will probably just taxi her jet down the streets of town. Shouldn't take more than a minute or two to wow the admiring crowd of ten.
Maybe we should thank Glenn Beck for organizing all the crazy people and identifying them for us. Now when we hear tea party we immediately think of crazy people.
To identify these people all you would need to do is follow the stupid kids home because when you do so you will find stupid parents.
Have you ever notice the little girl beauty contestants usually have mothers who are fat cows?
But then I've never exactly seen a svelte cow
Must be because they're so full of beef.
about Elsie and her anorexic purges?
..you know, lean beef!
"Our nation's founders came here to escape religious persecution"
I'm even beginning to doubt this story at this point.
..looking for jobs, welfare and hand-outs. lou dobbs, calling lou dobbs!
What they did was come here to practice their own brand of persecution
last bastion of fully moderated free speech for their side of the story.
Go to JAIL
They aren't selling teevees.
The Mussolini treatment is probably the only cure
the invasion of Ethiopia?
Hmmm user for 6 minutes wants us to click on links with no explanation as to why. Not falling for it.
I wonder when this lady last donated to a charity? She's so all about singing songs about Jesus I just wonder if she bothers to live by his words at all.
science and religion are incompatible. Blind faith strictly.
She could be Mother Teresa and I still wouldn't like a LAW requiring school children to listen to and perform Christmas carols.
This is more of the 'the louder I shout and caper about, the better a Christian I am' horsepuckey.
And it's from the same drawer as 'let's kill all the gays' laws in Uganda. Oh, but we're doing it for Jeeeeeeeezus, so it must be okay.
It's the new Great American Pastime
Wishful thinking on your part
Mother Teresa is dead.
Maybe someone could redo the lyrics to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY
It doesn't matter to me. It's just that I know there are some religious people quietly going through life doing really good things for their fellow man but people like this old bitch give all religious people an unfair bad name. I am not religious in any way but that doesn't stop me from recognizing the truly good hearts in some people of faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCTk6sxTIY
The founding fathers weren't perfect...
...in this case "freedom of religion", instead of...
"freedom from religion"
(amazing what one little word can do)
Now if we had "freedom from religion"...this kind of thing would never happen!
(I hate people who mix politics and religion!)
there's the key word
so...!
(I don't hate religion though...just the "mixing it with politics" (I hate)
It's also the bedevilment of the term establishment
People like this idiot (no wonder she's a substitute teacher,)take that to mean a State Religion like Anglicanism
But establishment can mean any organized group, outside of private worship
Is she claiming Christians are unorganized?
Also what that don't consider in our history, outside of Anglicanism, is that our Founding Fathers were also wary of political parties. In England, and elsewhere in Continental Europe, parties often had a religious bent, similar to the Troubles In Ireland, and they knew how difficult it was to separate political from religious interests, especially when they started fighting among themselves.
Christmas is about Christmas.
Also: Chanukkah is about Chanukkah. Eid is about Eid.
And SCHOOLS are about SCHOOL.
... and that's that. End of discussion.
LOL
... for ages.
And His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Almighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace ...
Baloney. We're sending more troops to 'liberate' poor Afghanistan. We're awash in a sea of commercialism. In this season of giving, we can't even find coherent thought or leadership about healthcare.
Christ got trampled underfoot on Black Friday.
I'm sure you're right, but that's really not relevant to this discussion.
This discussion is what place the actual practice of worship of any religious holiday has in schools, and the correct answer is NONE.
... at the self-proclaimed Christians who think laws and lawsuits are the best way of honoring Christ Jesus.
"School is for school" won't keep the Intelligent Design brigade out of the classroom, or the Christmas Clowns like Merry Goround from pushing their beliefs at every turn.
Dude, nothing will keep them out. You'd have thought the Dover case would have put an end to it with a striking precedent, but that's just not possible when dominionists are in control of school boards, local and state government, etc.
Parents need to just keep hammering away, to ensure the freedom of their children to attend school without being forced to participate in religious activities. The scathing and brilliant letter my mother wrote to my first public primary school and the local school board, when my kindergarten teacher tossed me out of class for refusing to sing "Jesus Loves Me" is still burned into my memory. They changed policy on the spot.
Think globally, act locally, etc.
You're falling into the fundies trap.
It's not exclusively a religious holiday
But a secular one
The Supreme court has already said so.
But if women like this fat cow succeed in "Putting the Christ Back Into Christmas," we'll probably all lose the day off.
Even the most secular among us appreciate that.
And already movie theatres and some restaraunts are open that day making employees work.
Wouldn't it be the opposite? If the dominionists get their way, everybody will close on Sunday and religious holidays.
I grew up under the Lord's Day Act, and I can tell you nothing negatively affects retail businesses like forced closing on one day of the week.
I've worked retail on holidays, and you just deal with it; it's just part of the job. If you have a good manager, you all take turns covering a holiday.
getting up at the ass crack of dawn. Not to go to or look for work, but to buy useless shit you don't need. Thanks a bunch!
I'm fine with my kids singing the Fat Boys Christmas song.
Frankly, I'm surprised she made mention of the Winter Solstice. Most people like her think Winter Solstice is an air freshener scent.
... it is super fresh!!!
(put whatever jingle music you prefer in the background)
Or is that the Holiday feminine hygiene scent.
freshmaker and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDQXSLRRAEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB0VmpRGTBw
You have a war on religion. Even tho the christmas of today has very little to do with religion. Well unless you worship at the alter of the dollar bill.
Startin just before thanksgiving and pushing rite through until christmas the constant barrage of advertisements trying to get you to buy their perfect christmas gift.
I like the time off and enjoy seeing family and friends. I love watching the children open their presents. But as a religious holiday it seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle of money!
Yes, I agree that Christmas is a consumer holiday. When I go into STORES, I'm bombarded with Christmas sales. When I watch TV and a COMMERCIAL comes on, it's advertising Christmas sales. It's what I expect when I go to stores and when I watch TV or surf the Internet. However, retailers are not selling Christmas shit in schools or at churches.
Christians should show the same respect and not try to sell their religion in schools.
It's a religion that mandates selling itself, though. That's what proselytizing is all about. To be fair, it's codified in their religious code that they have to go and recruit others.
I just want the freedom to be able to avoid that sales pitch when I'm in a government-mandated and -funded place like a public school.
I sure as hell wasn't raised with the practice of going out and browbeating non-believers into compliance.
I'm sorry that your personal experience with people of faith has been less than pleasant.
The methods may vary, but proselytizing is codified in all forms of Christianity.
It's in Matthew: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
... the same small government which will tell us what to believe, what to do in our bedroom, and what to do with our bodies?
Libertarians are funny like that, LOL.
Ho Hum. Once again...
If you scrach a libertarian hard enuf, you will find a nut inside.
Everyone should attend a libertarian meetup at least once in their lives, the comedy is great (the fact that is not on purpose makes it even funnier)
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